I haven't watched the clip, but as an American Indian, my platform has always been: "I'm much more offended when people try to marginalize American Indians feelings about this, ("This damn world is just too PC! You don't see Vikings offended by Minnesota's logo!") then by the actual logo or name. About that I'm 'meh'. But please don't try and trivialize how others feel about it."

The convo usually ends with my statement, "When the New York Negros's fans show up in blackface belting out "I Like to Singa". Then we can talk".


edit: errrr...i see now that clip had nothing to do with my rant. Emily Litella: "Nevermind."

"I'm much more offended when people try to marginalize American Indians feelings about this

That's kind of old hat now. I'm more interested to know where Indians from India stand on the issue.

Seriously, though, a big part of the problem seems to be that while many individual Native American and NA organizations feel strongly on the issue, there doesn't seem to be any consensus against it. So the you're left choosing between marginalizing those who disprove and marginalizing those approve, and, in at least one prominent case, the later group seems to be the overwhelming majority. When you're fighting against a century of local tradition, that's just not a recipe for change.

As an Indians fan, I'm somewhere in the middle on the name/logo thing. The name, in and of itself, doesn't strike me as particularly offensive. The logo? Well, yeah, that's pretty cringeworthy. I could really do without that. I generally rock the Thunder Thornton-era hat instead of the Chief Wahoo logo.

And I couldn't agree more with the video itself, though I'd add: "What if...our utterly ordinary closer stopped popping off every time someone sticks a microphone in his face?"

I blame the Robison brothers. If they hadn't ruined the name "Spiders", they'd still be using the nickname today.

The biggest "what if" - George Steinbrenner's unsuccessful effort to buy the Indians before he purchased the Yankees.