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1. willcarrolldoesnotsuk Posted: February 09, 2012 at 06:56 PM (#4057567)It's an interesting topic, and I agree that some pitchers are getting away with occasionally doctoring the ball. But as the article says, with the cutter and the splitter and HD cameras everywhere, why bother with vaseline/files/pine tar?
Edit: a search for baseball pitcher sandpaper mouth suggets that the guy you're thinking of might be Tim Leary in 1992:
Not that I'd expect to see someone do it.
This is a good article.
"Bruce Sutter," said Mike Maddux, the Texas Rangers pitching coach and 15-year major league veteran whose own pitching career briefly coincided with the Hall of Fame reliever's. "He mastered the splitter. All of a sudden you had a pitch that had the same action you could get with the greaseball."
That explains it right there, I guess. That and the omnipresent cameras.
Although there have been several other pitchers accused of having excessive pine tar on their hats and gloves. Julian Tavarez and Brendan Donnelly were both kicked out of games for it, I think. And the Cardinals brain trust didn't limit its pine-tar accusations to Kenny Rogers in the World Series; here is Dave Duncan casting aspersions on Bronson Arroyo two years ago.
Then there's people like Steve Kline whose hat is always filthy so there's no way to tell if there's something abnormal about it. He's been retired since 2007, I need a new example.
I hadn't heard that quote previously. I like it.
I believe this was Joe (Greatest Clutch Pitcher Ever) Niekro, not Phil; he claimed he needed to keep his nails a certain length so used the board in the dugout, and just forgot to take it out of his pocket when he went to the mound.
I still think Whitey Ford did it best: either use your wedding ring, or have your catcher sharpen a buckle on the shin guards. Nobody's going to think to check either.
If you're talking about a right-handed pitcher throwing, that's not a cutter, that's a moving fastball. A cutter is a baby slider.
I still think Whitey Ford did it best: either use your wedding ring, or have your catcher sharpen a buckle on the shin guards. Nobody's going to think to check either.
Ford according to his autobiography didn't actually use his wedding ring, he had a ring made with a rasp welded to it, and told everyone who asked it was his wedding ring. In addition to the shinguards bit, he also said he would throw balls in the dirt during warmups, hoping to get a scuff in the right place.
I've got a soft spot for scuffing the ball etc.
I remember Kevin Gross I think got tossed at some point for sandpaper on his glove (although I could be butchering together multiple memories).
I also remember much drama at Mike Scott's heydey about him doctoring the ball... I don't remember, though, if he was ever caught or if he later acknowledged (or denied) having done so...
I remember that. The mid-80s were a renaissance for scuff-ballers. Mike Scott, Kevin Gross, Joe Niekro ... I think Gross and Niekro were both in 1987 not all that far apart.
Rick Honeycutt was 1980 with the tack in his glove, and apparently when he was finally tossed had a few scratches on his forehead from forgetting and wiping his head.
Joe Blanton in the '08 playoffs is a good example.
Bouton tells that story in Ball Four, along with the ones about the mud balls and Elston Howard's shin guard buckles also mentioned above.
And Kenny Rogers, in Game 2 of the 2006 WS. Clearly visible, on both the hand and the cap.
A dugout telephone rings in Anaheim, and the manager of the New York Yankees is summoned.
"Are you watching this game?" an angry George Steinbrenner asked Lou Piniella that summer night more than a decade ago.
Piniella says he has watched every minute.
"Well," Steinbrenner says, "are you aware that (Angels starter) Don Sutton is cheating?"
Huh?
"Yes, he's scuffing the ball," Steinbrenner snaps. "Our television announcers are aware of it. I'm sure the Angels are aware of it. You're probably the only guy there who doesn't know it. Now, I want you to go out there and make the umpires check Don Sutton."
Piniella, his temper suddenly getting the best of him, fires back.
"George," he yells, "do you know who taught him how to cheat?"
Steinbrenner does not know.
"The guy who taught Don Sutton everything he knows about cheating is the guy pitching for us tonight," Piniella tells his boss. "Do you want me to go out there and get Tommy John thrown out, too?"
The video of that incident is still hilarious. When shown in super slow-mo, the board comes flying out of his pocket and lands at Kent Hrbek's feet. Hrbek immediately steps over the board to hide it while trying to suppress a smirk. The four umpires are huddled around and only Steve Palermo saw it.
The catcher's. If he meant the pitcher's glove side, mea culpa, though I haven't heard it used much that way.
But it would still be incorrect even so. Scuffing a cutter/slider wouldn't do nearly as much as scuffing a moving fastball, it's a different kind of spin. You wouldn't scuff a curve either. You pretty much only scuff fastballs. On a curve/slider/cutter you want as tight a spin as possible. Scuffing is about creating a disruption on one side of the ball to catch the wind, create drag, and jerk the ball in a different direction. Hence the rise of the splitter contributing to its lack of use - splitters do the same thing, albeit in one direction only. You're throwing a fastball with less spin. But most scuff balls were sinkers anyway. Really what scuff balls are/were used for is to create a bigger moving fastball.
A while back I read a story about one of the Yankees clubhouse guys, Whitey Ford had been ordered by the umps to remove his "wedding" band, he gave it to the clubhouse guy, who said it looked like a wedding band, but had across hatch pattern on one side, like a file rasp... He said he didn't want the thing on him so he threw it out, in case someone came looking for it later... Well after the game whitey came looking for it, "where's my ring?" "the ring? that thing, I threw it out" pause, Whitey stairs at him, "that really was my wedding band"
the clubhouse guy recalled thinking, "oh crap, I'm a dead man now," and then Whitey smiled, "just kidding"
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