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What’s the refund policy on Stephen Drew? - Eric Wilbur’s Sports Blog - Boston.com

It’s only money but I still don’t see a good reason for the Sox to sign Drew. Moving Bogaerts is not a good long-term decision. The Sox, as Holt is showing, have other options at third base.

Jim Furtado Posted: June 01, 2014 at 09:00 AM | 56 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: brock holt, red sox, stephen drew, xander bogaerts

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   1. 'zop sympathizes with the wrong ####### people Posted: June 01, 2014 at 09:11 AM (#4716774)
Doesn't this belong in the Red Sox blog? Do we really need multiple threads in the main Newsblog on the signing of Drew, the promotion of Drew, what Drew eats for breakfast, etc.?
   2. valuearbitrageur Posted: June 01, 2014 at 09:45 AM (#4716780)
No this is good stuff.

Holt has gotten on base to a .314 clip.


Author complaining just what the chemistry of the team with the 10 game losing streak disturbed for a Drew few people wanted back, and by few people he means himself and some dumb fans.

The part about Boagerts defense being bad but since it has been much better last 10 games Drew isn't needed is awesome too.
   3. Captain Supporter Posted: June 01, 2014 at 10:08 AM (#4716786)
The Drew signing was a panic move. He's not really all that good anyway, and the loss of spring training plus the first two months of the season will make a slow start more probable and perhaps also makes an injury more likely.

Rushing him up here after ten at bats seems like an attempt by management to justify the signing, particularly given that Bogaerts is playing better. I would not be at all surprised if he puts up a .220 batting average this year.

Having said all that, the line about the .314 on base clip is embarrassing.
   4. Publius Publicola Posted: June 01, 2014 at 10:40 AM (#4716792)
Media outlets are reporting that Garin Cecchini is going to be called up for today's game, adding even more confusion to the logjam on the right side of the infield. I'm assuming Pedroia is going to miss a couple of games because of his wrist.

In any case, the problem hasn't been the infield but the lack of production in the outfield and bench. JB jr's MLE's suggest he should be a decent if not excellent bat and he has shown signs lately of making adjustments to major league pitching.
If he hits what his minor league record suggests he should hit and Victorino gets his bat back, they should be OK there,
   5. boteman Posted: June 01, 2014 at 10:54 AM (#4716797)
STEVE HOLT!!
   6. Joey B. has reignited his October #Natitude Posted: June 01, 2014 at 11:07 AM (#4716801)
Doesn't this belong in the Red Sox blog? Do we really need multiple threads in the main Newsblog on the signing of Drew, the promotion of Drew, what Drew eats for breakfast, etc.?

It's a baseball story, arsehole. I know you and your ilk would prefer that the entire newsblog be full of Red Diaper Doper Baby crap, but this is still at least nominally a baseball website.
   7. TJ Posted: June 01, 2014 at 11:24 AM (#4716806)
and perhaps also makes an injury more likely.


What makes an injury more likely is his last name is "Drew"...

   8. valuearbitrageur Posted: June 01, 2014 at 11:29 AM (#4716808)
The Drew signing was a panic move. He's not really all that good anyway, and the loss of spring training plus the first two months of the season will make a slow start more probable and perhaps also makes an injury more likely.


So? He's not going to hurt the team and he's far more likely to pick up where he left off than get hurt or be terrible. Drew has been an above average shortstop his entire career with the exception of a single year recovering from a horrific injury, and his age 24 season eons ago.

More importantly, he's balancing out the lineup and giving Farrell better options. The Sox only have one left handed hitter in the starting lineup. Bradley doesn't hit at all and Holt is AAA filler.

Unless the Sox are punting on the season this was the best possible move to help them, and Sox fans shouldn't care about $9M. The Sox have won 2 World Series with Drew brothers on the roster, yet Stephen Drew is a threat to the all important chemistry of a sub .500 team that's lost 10 of it's last 16?
   9. valuearbitrageur Posted: June 01, 2014 at 11:53 AM (#4716818)
BTW: There is nothing I like better than ridiculous small sample size arguments.

George Springers first 17 games - .191/.257/.221/.477

The Astros should never have brought Springer up so soon!!!!


George Springers 23 games since - .303/.404/.708/1.112

The Astros should have brought Springer up quicker!!!! What were they waiting for???!!!!

   10. Dale Sams Posted: June 01, 2014 at 12:14 PM (#4716822)
The Sox only have one left handed hitter in the starting lineup


Huh?

Bradley
Sizemore
Holt
Carp
AJP
Papi

at least, that's more or less the starting lineup right now.

And Holt may not be an ideal 3B because of his lack of power, but he's succeeded somewhat at all minor league levels. He could be a starting SS or 2B for a handful of teams.
   11. GGC don't think it can get longer than a novella Posted: June 01, 2014 at 01:56 PM (#4716860)
Isn't 'zop conservative, Joey?
   12. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: June 01, 2014 at 05:55 PM (#4716984)
Stephen Drew is better than brock Holt, Garin Cecchini, Will Middlebrooks and Brandon Snyder. The ONLY reason not to sign him is Bogaerts' development. Personally I think Its a safe assumption that Drew will miss enough time that Bogaerts will play 20-25 games at short so it shouldn't retard his development too badly.
   13. EvilBoWeevil Posted: June 01, 2014 at 06:22 PM (#4716995)
As a Yankee fan I love the drew signing. One, he doesn't wind up a Yankee and Two, the Red Sox are in panic mode.

I am not confident that this Yankee team will make the playoffs. If the Red Sox don't make the playoffs either my year will be made.

Now if only I can get some chicken and beer delivered to their bullpen again.
   14. 'zop sympathizes with the wrong ####### people Posted: June 01, 2014 at 08:41 PM (#4717039)
I am, GGC. But I'm intelligent, and Joey hates intelligence more than he hates liberals. And that's saying something.
   15. valuearbitrageur Posted: June 01, 2014 at 11:21 PM (#4717112)
Huh?


Bradley - could never hit.
Sizemore - can no longer hit.
Holt - won't hit like this forever
Carp - not hitting at all, don't want him in field
AJP - how much longer?
Papi - OK, I'll give you him.

Drew can hit and play defense. Why wouldn't you want him on a cheap year deal? If the Yankees were offered the same deal they should and would have snapped him up.
   16. Srul Itza At Home Posted: June 02, 2014 at 12:19 AM (#4717134)
What’s the refund policy on Stephen Drew?


You break it, you bought it.
   17. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: June 02, 2014 at 01:49 AM (#4717145)
If the Red Sox don't make the playoffs either my year will be made.

Now if only I can get some chicken and beer delivered to their bullpen again.


Oh wait, I get it. Ha, Ha gee you're clever.

Please have the beer and chicken delivered, the Sox can use the 2013 World Champs flag as the tablecloth....
   18. villageidiom Posted: June 02, 2014 at 07:21 AM (#4717158)
If the Red Sox don't make the playoffs either my year will be made.
YR would say losers root for winners to lose.
   19. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: June 02, 2014 at 07:39 AM (#4717161)
Only because YR is correct on this, and so many other pressing issues of our time.
   20. Ray (RDP) Posted: June 02, 2014 at 10:49 AM (#4717248)
Stephen Drew is better than brock Holt, Garin Cecchini, Will Middlebrooks and Brandon Snyder. The ONLY reason not to sign him is Bogaerts' development.


Well, yeah.

I don't mind signing Drew to play 3B (though I think it's sort of silly) but moving a 21 year old SS who has arguably been the team's best player off of his primary position so that you can put an inconsistent and oft-injured 31 year old average-fielding SS there is dumb.

I love Drew as a player and loved the signing of him last year. But he's someone you happily go to if you have no SS, not someone you go to if you have a potential star at the position already.
   21. Ray (RDP) Posted: June 02, 2014 at 10:55 AM (#4717255)
Bradley - could never hit.
Sizemore - can no longer hit.
Holt - won't hit like this forever
Carp - not hitting at all, don't want him in field
AJP - how much longer?


To me it's a rebuilding year given (a) the flukiness of last year, (b) the contracts that were up, and (c) the players they have to work in, which points towards playing Bradley (and Bogaerts) and seeing if Bradley develops as a hitter. BP projects him as an above average hitter this year, and with his base running and defense that plays.

Not sure WTF you're talking about with AJP, though. He has a league average OPS+ and has played well this year. He's been fine. What am I missing? Why would he be gone soon?


   22. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: June 02, 2014 at 11:07 AM (#4717268)
Not sure WTF you're talking about with AJP, though. He has a league average OPS+ and has played well this year. He's been fine. What am I missing? Why would he be gone soon?


AJ gets talked about a lot in Boston as someone who has been bad and is on the edge of getting cut. I don't think that has any relationship to what the Sox are thinking but I've read/heard various places suggesting that. Part of that is that Vazquez (AAA Catcher) was a spring training star with his glove. The problem is that ignores that Vazquez hasn't hit at Pawtucket yet. A lot of the people who are saying "just let him play, the defense is good enough and I don't care if he hits .175" are the same people who said the same thing about Bradley and are now saying the Sox should have re-signed Ellsbury.


I love Drew as a player and loved the signing of him last year. But he's someone you happily go to if you have no SS, not someone you go to if you have a potential star at the position already.


Generally agreed. Drew should be a considerable upgrade over Middlebrooks though and that's something the Sox needed to do. I love Holt as a stopgap but he's going to turn into a pumpkin soon enough.
   23. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: June 02, 2014 at 11:09 AM (#4717271)
Not sure WTF you're talking about with AJP, though. He has a league average OPS+ and has played well this year. He's been fine. What am I missing? Why would he be gone soon?


The word is that everyone else in the clubhouse hates his guts.

Which passes the smell test since, y'know, AJ.
   24. Nasty Nate Posted: June 02, 2014 at 11:15 AM (#4717280)
I don't mind signing Drew to play 3B (though I think it's sort of silly) but moving a 21 year old SS who has arguably been the team's best player off of his primary position so that you can put an inconsistent and oft-injured 31 year old average-fielding SS there is dumb.

I love Drew as a player and loved the signing of him last year. But he's someone you happily go to if you have no SS, not someone you go to if you have a potential star at the position already.


I can't decide if the Sox are getting the best of both worlds or the worst, in that they get to improve their team in the short term while also having allotted Bogaerts spring training plus at least 2 full months of SS play to further his development, but are asking him to make a mid-season position change presumably followed by another one (back to SS) next offseason (or if Drew gets hurt).

There are some circumstances which have changed since the offseason: Middlebrooks is hurt, Drew is available on a smaller and/or shorter contract, and the draft pick coming to the Sox for Drew was not a possibility anymore.
   25. Ray (RDP) Posted: June 02, 2014 at 11:25 AM (#4717293)
Ok, thanks for filling me in on AJ; I don't follow baseball like it's a reality show so I wasn't aware that there are rumors AJ will be gone.

I don't care what's going on in the clubhouse. And if they cut a player who is playing well for non-baseball reasons then they're idiots.
   26. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: June 02, 2014 at 11:34 AM (#4717302)
I can't decide if the Sox are getting the best of both worlds or the worst, in that they get to improve their team in the short term while also having allotted Bogaerts spring training plus at least 2 full months of SS play to further his development, but are asking him to make a mid-season position change presumably followed by another one (back to SS) next offseason (or if Drew gets hurt).


I'm not too worried about this. The Sox did the same thing with Bogaerts last year and between injuries and regular days off I'd bet Bogaerts gets 25 games minimum at shortstop the rest of the year. I don't think this is going to harm his development.
   27. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: June 02, 2014 at 11:45 AM (#4717315)
Ok, thanks for filling me in on AJ; I don't follow baseball like it's a reality show so I wasn't aware that there are rumors AJ will be gone.


There aren't. That was ValueArb not wanting to admit his comment about the Sox only having one lefty hitters was foolish and Vlad thinking wishfully.

A.J. is damn likely to be in Boston for as long as Stephen Drew is.
   28. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: June 02, 2014 at 12:20 PM (#4717358)
Vlad thinking wishfully


I'm a Pirates fan, so I don't really give a #### one way or the other. But it's hard to miss all the quotes from Red Sox pitchers in the Boston media lately about how much they enjoy throwing to David Ross.

My guess is that they'll stick with AJ through the remainder of the year, and then have his bags packed and sitting at the curb the day after the season ends. Though I wouldn't rule out a catcher-for-catcher deal at the deadline if the Red Sox are in contention and the opportunity presents itself.
   29. Smiling Joe Hesketh Posted: June 02, 2014 at 12:32 PM (#4717371)
Lester prefers throwing to Ross, but Lackey did fine with AJ and de la Rosa did great with AJ on Saturday as well.

I think the only thing to see here is that Lester prefers throwing to Ross. That's it.
   30. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: June 02, 2014 at 12:38 PM (#4717376)
I'm a Pirates fan, so I don't really give a #### one way or the other.


Your "Everyone thinks he's an #######\" link title suggests otherwise, since there's really nothing in there other than the writer suggesting he's an #######.

And I'm not finding "all these quotes from Red Sox pitchers about how they like throwing to Ross" either, but I'm sure you can point me in the right direction.

I did find one of Lackey praising A.J., but I don't think that's what you had in mind.

   31. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: June 02, 2014 at 12:51 PM (#4717384)
Your "Everyone thinks he's an #######\" link title suggests otherwise, since there's really nothing in there other than the writer suggesting he's an #######.


From just about everything I've read over the last, I dunno, decade or so, wouldn't that be like wondering where are the "water is wet" stories are?
   32. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: June 02, 2014 at 12:59 PM (#4717393)
From just about everything I've read over the last, I dunno, decade or so, wouldn't that be like wondering where are the "water is wet" stories are?


Oh, opponents absolutely loathe him, in part (I think) because he wants them to. But other than his one-year stint in San Francisco, he hasn't really been the kind of guy that his teammates were in a hurry to see shipped out of town. Minny dealt him because they had Mauer coming up, and he left via free agency from his other two stops.

The Red Sox were in the throes of a 10-game losing streak and the newcomer with a jackass reputation was an easy target for a lazy columnist to blame. Under normal circumstances, BTFers like Vlad would treat that sourceless piece with the dismissiveness it warrants.
   33. Joe Bivens, Minor Genius Posted: June 02, 2014 at 01:44 PM (#4717430)
The Red Sox were in the throes of a 10-game losing streak and the newcomer with a jackass reputation was an easy target for a lazy columnist to blame.


Yes yes. When I watch the games on TV (all of them), I pay close attention to how players interact with each other (teammates and opponents). I haven't seen one thing that suggests that anyone actually dislikes AJ. I see him joking and laughing with batters, umps, and teammates. He may have had problems with individuals in the past, but I suspect that, as always, when guys argue or even look like they're ready to fight, it's heat of the moment stuff that's soon forgotten.

Cecchini and Hassan get their first MLB hits, the Sox call for the ball, and the Rays make sure they get it, tossed softly toward the dugout.

Ross and Escobar are in the middle of the scuffle whenever that game took place, and the next time Ross is catching and Escobar comes to the plate, Ross says something to Escobar and Escobar smiles. These guys, by and large, throughout the league, get along well. They're all making tons of money, there's no need for bickering, and they generally don't.
   34. Joe Bivens, Minor Genius Posted: June 02, 2014 at 01:57 PM (#4717450)
Also, Ross is getting way too many starts. He just can't hit. Maybe it's because AJ is getting up there, but on the game broadcast the other night they said he's going to have 14 straight seasons of 100+ games caught after this year, so he's been pretty durable.

I hate seeing Ross in there.
   35. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: June 02, 2014 at 02:24 PM (#4717478)
I think the only thing to see here is that Lester prefers throwing to Ross. That's it.


Peavy also made similar remarks in a recent interviewm, and it's worth keeping in mind that Peavy and AJ have some history from their time together in Chicago.

Oh, opponents absolutely loathe him, in part (I think) because he wants them to. But other than his one-year stint in San Francisco, he hasn't really been the kind of guy that his teammates were in a hurry to see shipped out of town. Minny dealt him because they had Mauer coming up, and he left via free agency from his other two stops.


I think some of that is just teams not wanting to air dirty laundry in public. Pierzynski had a few notable incidents in Texas last year, such as this confrontation with Yu Darvish, though there was good stuff as well. It could just be one of those things where it's easier to ignore or paper over any friction when the team is winning, and right now, the Red Sox aren't.

Doesn't much matter to me, of course, since I don't have a dog in this fight. If anything, I'd prefer the Red Sox bring AJ back, since that'd make them less likely to drive up the price on Russ Martin this winter.
   36. Joe Bivens, Minor Genius Posted: June 02, 2014 at 02:25 PM (#4717481)
it's easier to ignore or paper over any friction when the team is winning, and right now, the Red Sox aren't.


Except for the last 7 games they've played.
   37. valuearbitrageur Posted: June 02, 2014 at 02:27 PM (#4717483)
There aren't. That was ValueArb not wanting to admit his comment about the Sox only having one lefty hitters was foolish and Vlad thinking wishfully.


What point of "in the starting lineup" do you not understand? Do you really think you can balance the lineup vs. a tough starter by bringing in PH's after he's been pulled?

My comment about AJP was not about his clubhouse persona, it was that he's a 37 year old catcher. If the Sox are in playoff hunt deep into the season, how long is his 37 year old bat going to be live? How many games will he need to sit out?

Holt is OPSIng .850 at the moment, but he's a .780 OPS minor leaguer with a .750 OPS in AAA. Hard to imagine the Sox can expect much more than his career MLB .717 from him. I'm not saying ship him back down, he seems like a great piece to mix in from bench if he's truly competent at second and third.

Jackie Bradley isn't a left handed hitter, he's a left handed out-machine with no power.

Mike Carp can hit, but he's not hitting now. He's a PH, a fine one, but can't help balance the lineup without starting and playing in the field, which no one wants to see.

Grady Sizemore hasn't hit .250 since he was 25, hasn't had OBP over .300 since he was 26. He's 31 and he's toasty. You don't want to start Grady Sizemore, not for defense let alone left handed hitting.

Sure all of these craptacular lefty hitters could start, as there is no law the Sox actually have to try to win.

Stephen Drew gives the Sox both a competent defensive starter and a competent left handed hitter, all in the same package. Outside of AJP, none of the others can say the same. Even the great Papi is a crappy first-basemen.

The Sox got Drew on a super cheap deal with no strings because he'll balances the STARTING lineup without being a defensive liability. Outside of his handedness, he's just a very good player. Outside of a year recovering from a single gruesome injury he's produced as a well above average shortstop playing 90% of his available games. He's not blocking anyone, he's gone at the end of the year unless the Sox want him to stay, he was contributing part of last years World Championship team for chrissakes so he knows how to find the clubhouse on time even.

Even if you think this isn't the Sox's year and they should build for next year, Drew doesn't hurt that at all. When the season is out of reach just move Boagarts back. And the season isn't out of reach yet, so if you want to win you have to acknowledge this Sox team has some big problems and Drew is a significant help, or you are just being silly.
   38. valuearbitrageur Posted: June 02, 2014 at 02:31 PM (#4717487)
Except for the last 7 games they've played.


Over a larger sample size, say their last 56 games they are a losing team, right in line with BP's adjusted standings based on pythag/opponent strength.

A 7 game win streak doesn't mean their problems are solved any more than a 10 game losing streak meant the season was over.

Edit: And clearly the Sox aren't out of it, have enough talent to make a run at it, and should, so all this kerfuffle about a super cheap and super useful addition that significantly improves their playoff chances puzzles me. I'm not even a Sox or Drew fan. I have no clue how JD Drew poisoned the well in the MLB and Boston so greatly that even his baby brother has become a victim of driveby chemistry poisoning.

In Arizona they had only two issues with Stephen Drew, the cost of signing him in the draft, and his slow comeback from shredding his ankle. And they bullied him into coming back early and paid the price, as he was awful and they knee jerk shipped him out of town a month later for nothing. But other than that, he showed up and played over 90% of his games and was excellent every year but his first full season and his last season there.
   39. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: June 02, 2014 at 02:36 PM (#4717492)
Stephen Drew gives the Sox both a competent defensive starter and a competent left handed hitter, all in the same package. Outside of AJP, none of the others can say the same. Even the great Papi is a crappy first-basemen.


Who ####### cares how crappy David Ortiz is with the glove. The Red Sox don't need Stephen Drew to balance out the lineup because they only have one lefty hitter, which is what you foolishly wrote.

Ortiz is in the lineup every day. A.J. will be in the lineup most days against righties (and he's about Stephen Drew's equal as a hitter). Carp and Sizemore and Holt are all lefties who can balance out the lineup as much as the guy with a lifetime OPS+ of 98 will.
   40. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: June 02, 2014 at 02:37 PM (#4717493)
Except for the last 7 games they've played.


Which still leaves them in fourth place in their division (with a negative run differential), seven and a half games out of the last Wild Card slot, and under .500.
   41. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: June 02, 2014 at 02:43 PM (#4717496)

Even if you think this isn't the Sox's year and they should build for next year, Drew doesn't hurt that at all. When the season is out of reach just move Boagarts back. And the season isn't out of reach yet, so if you want to win you have to acknowledge this Sox team has some big problems and Drew is a significant help, or you are just being silly.


I don't have a problem with Drew at all. I liked him with the Sox (though I hope he's closer to 2013 regular season than 2013 postseason Drew with the stick), and don't mind the signing.

But it's obvious he's become your latest cause, and as is common with those causes, you're not afraid to simply make #### up in its advancement. Stating the Sox only have one lefthanded hitter in the starting lineup was an example of that. You got called on it. Why you couldn't just admit your mistake, or claim you were just being hyperbolic, is a mystery.

   42. Joe Bivens, Minor Genius Posted: June 02, 2014 at 02:44 PM (#4717498)
Which still leaves them in fourth place in their division (with a negative run differential), seven and a half games out of the last Wild Card slot, and under .500.


In a division that, by and large, stinks. No one is out of it yet. We go through this nonsense every year. It's the beginning of June, in case anyone isn't paying attention.

A 7 game win streak doesn't mean their problems are solved any more than a 10 game losing streak meant the season was over.


Their problems aren't as bad as you're making out. Pedroia hasn't hit. He will. Napoli should be fine. Ortiz should be fine. Bogaerts looks very good lately, and hopefully, he'll continue to hit, whether playing SS or 3B. There's a good chance Victorino will stay healthy once he gets back. They'll have enough hitting to stay in the race. Lester and Lackey and the bullpen have been very good.

I'm not worried about them falling out of contention, at least not for the next couple of months.
   43. Nasty Nate Posted: June 02, 2014 at 02:46 PM (#4717499)
What point of "in the starting lineup" do you not understand?


I think the point of your post # 8 is spot-on, but it's obvious that you are the one having trouble understanding what "in the starting lineup" or "left handed" means. Why not just say that the Sox have had trouble against Righty starters and Drew helps that situation instead of trying to mangle logic and semantics so that a team that has been starting 3-5 lefties in their lineup almost every day can somehow be labelled a team that has only 1 lefty in its starting lineup?
   44. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: June 02, 2014 at 03:16 PM (#4717517)
seven and a half games out of the last Wild Card slot, and under .500.


Not sure where you are getting this but they are 2.5 games out of the second Wild Card spot.
   45. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: June 02, 2014 at 03:20 PM (#4717521)
In a division that, by and large, stinks. No one is out of it yet. We go through this nonsense every year. It's the beginning of June, in case anyone isn't paying attention.


Oh, sure, there's a lot of season left. I'm just saying that if the Sox were in first, even if there were an issue, we probably wouldn't be hearing about it.
   46. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: June 02, 2014 at 03:22 PM (#4717524)
Not sure where you are getting this but they are 2.5 games out of the second Wild Card spot.


My bad. I accidentally looked at the GBSUM column instead of the GB one.

Still, the Sox need to climb over six other teams to make the postseason this year. That's not a milk run.
   47. Joe Bivens, Minor Genius Posted: June 02, 2014 at 03:42 PM (#4717538)
Oh, sure, there's a lot of season left. I'm just saying that if the Sox were in first, even if there were an issue, we probably wouldn't be hearing about it.


Except for what I'm reading on this site, I'm not paying any attention to any of it. Every year, the same stuff. In '07, the term "pantspissers" was born, referring to Red Sox fans worried about the team's chances, in May, in June. I know people here pride themselves in being able to predict the future from the past, but if anyone here was that good at it they'd be wagering in Vegas and not working. To my knowledge, no one here is doing that.

Baseball is a lovely game, luxuriously long, and I love the ride. I don't need to know in June what the outcome will be come September. Historically, they're not out of it. Guys get hot, guys get cold, other teams get hot, other teams get cold.

I will not piss my pants over it. Every ####### year it's the same nonsense.

Predict the winners: Go. Oakland? SF? Yup, they look good today. They're both 2 injuries away from falling out of the race. And even if they stay healthy, they're no shoe-ins. No one is shoe-in, and at least half the league is not "shoe-out".
   48. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: June 02, 2014 at 04:00 PM (#4717563)
Predict the winners: Go. Oakland? SF? Yup, they look good today. They're both 2 injuries away from falling out of the race.

Not Oakland. They've got a bigger positive run differential than all 4 other positive AL teams, combined. Their Pythag record is 41-16.

They're seriously good.
   49. Joe Bivens, Minor Genius Posted: June 02, 2014 at 04:04 PM (#4717572)
Take away Cespedes and Donaldson and see what happens to them.
   50. Ray (RDP) Posted: June 02, 2014 at 04:06 PM (#4717574)
Stephen Drew gives the Sox both a competent defensive starter and a competent left handed hitter, all in the same package.


Why are you hung up on handedness of the hitters? It's increasingly irrelevant in this era of baseball, where managers have eleventy hard throwing pitchers in the bullpen who throw from either side and who only go a batter or two anyway. The entire game is matchups in the 7th and 8th innings, and sometimes as early as the 6th, and then in the 9th you've got the designated Closer who is facing hitters from both sides anyway so matchups become irrelevant there too.
   51. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: June 02, 2014 at 04:06 PM (#4717575)
Take away Cespedes and Donaldson and see what happens to them.

They'd struggle, if they were both out for the season (which rarely happens to hitters) but they're not "out-of-it".
   52. Johnny Sycophant-Laden Fora Posted: June 02, 2014 at 06:42 PM (#4717699)
Not Oakland. They've got a bigger positive run differential than all 4 other positive AL teams, combined. Their Pythag record is 41-16.


I look at Oakland;'s team and I think:

Scott Kazmir 2014 = Bartolo Colon 2012/13

Grady Sizemore has an OPS+ of 82 for Boston, if he were playing in Oakland it would be twice that...

I mean seriously WTF is going on in Oakland, busted prospect AAAAers become MVP candidates seemingly overnight, guys with buzzards circling over them years ago have seemingly come back from the dead...

a few years ago it seemed the opposite was happening, bluechippers would come in and go splat (Barton, Taylor, Carlos Gonzalez), FAs they sign or players they'd extend with for real $ would seemingly suffer career altering injuries, cliff dive for no reason- everything they touched turned to crap, now they can seemingly turn anyone into gold
   53. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: June 02, 2014 at 07:43 PM (#4717728)
I look at Oakland;'s team and I think:

Scott Kazmir 2014 = Bartolo Colon 2012/13


Kazmir is no fluke. Last year he had a K/9 >9 and a K>BB >3.
   54. Ray (RDP) Posted: June 02, 2014 at 07:57 PM (#4717734)
Kazmir is no fluke. Last year he had a K/9 >9 and a K>BB >3.


Eh. He didn't pitch in the majors for two years before last year - when he actually didn't even manage a league average ERA -- and his last good year was 2008.

Not that it's not a great story, and an unexpected one -- especially in the way he's done it, by staying healthy and getting his walks under control -- but I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if the clock struck midnight on him tomorrow.

At that, his K rate has already reverted to pre-2013 levels, and I doubt he can sustain hits and home runs allowed rates so low.
   55. The Yankee Clapper Posted: June 02, 2014 at 09:01 PM (#4717766)
Oh, opponents absolutely loathe him, in part (I think) because he wants them to. But other than his one-year stint in San Francisco, he hasn't really been the kind of guy that his teammates were in a hurry to see shipped out of town.

Ozzie Guillen on A. J. Pierzynski: "If you play against him, you hate him. If you play with him, you hate him a little less."
   56. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: June 02, 2014 at 09:08 PM (#4717772)
Ozzie Guillen on A. J. Pierzynski: "If you play against him, you hate him. If you play with him, you hate him a little less."


Yup, one of my favorite quotes. But, A.J. spent eight years in Chicago and left via free agency. If he wore out his welcome, it took an awfully long time.

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