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Wednesday, July 27, 2011

White Sox trade Jackson, Teahen to Blue Jays; Rasmus Toronto-bound?

CHICAGO—The Chicago White Sox have traded starting pitcher Edwin Jackson and infielder Mark Teahen to the Toronto Blue Jays in exchange for reliever Jason Frasor and minor leaguers, which is expected to be the precursor of a deal that would send Cardinals center fielder Colby Rasmus to Toronto.

No word on the prospects.

JJ1986 Posted: July 27, 2011 at 04:01 PM | 76 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jimmy P Posted: July 27, 2011 at 05:06 PM (#3886597)
ESPN is saying Zack Stewart
   2. Der Komminsk-sar Posted: July 27, 2011 at 05:11 PM (#3886609)
Buster Olney (of ESPN) via mlbtraderumors:
The Cardinals will send Rasmus, Trever Miller, Brian Tallet, and P.J. Walters to the Blue Jays for Jackson, Rzepczynski, Dotel, and Corey Patterson, tweets ESPN's Buster Olney. Olney adds that Miller is then expected to be traded to the White Sox.
   3. zachtoma Posted: July 27, 2011 at 05:12 PM (#3886614)
That's one hell of a terrible trade for the Cardinals.
   4. McCoy Posted: July 27, 2011 at 05:14 PM (#3886616)
Corey Patterson is still playing?
   5. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: July 27, 2011 at 05:19 PM (#3886627)
Trever Miller is still playing?

And has there ever been a trade including five established MLB relief pitchers before?
   6. The Kentucky Gentleman, Mark Edward Posted: July 27, 2011 at 05:23 PM (#3886633)
What's Zach Stewart's prospect status? IIRC, he was highly-touted when he went from the Reds to the Jays. He's repeating AA this year (though he's made some starts for the Jays), he's not putting up great numbers, and he's 24. The Sox can use any prospects they can get, but I'm not overly excited about him.

That Cards/Jays deal looks ridiculous. Surely the Sox could've bypassed the middleman (the Jays) and got Rasmus for Jackson and a bunch of stuff.
   7. Yeaarrgghhhh Posted: July 27, 2011 at 05:24 PM (#3886635)
that can't possibly be right.
   8. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: July 27, 2011 at 05:24 PM (#3886639)
That's a fantastic deal by Toronto. Rasmus is a star-in-waiting. Edwin Jackson, not so much. And with Rzepczynski, Dotel and Patterson? Geez. They almost got Rasmus for free.
   9. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: July 27, 2011 at 05:28 PM (#3886646)
This would make the fifth and sixth times Edwin Jackson has been traded since starting his major-league career. Not just switched teams, traded. Pretty odd in the post-reserve clause era. He's 27.
   10. TerpNats Posted: July 27, 2011 at 05:29 PM (#3886647)
White flag deal -- the next generation.
   11. The Kentucky Gentleman, Mark Edward Posted: July 27, 2011 at 05:32 PM (#3886659)
Also, Edwin Jackson is incredibly frustrating to watch. Overall, he's a good pitcher. Great sometimes, even. He works so slow and walks so many batters, it takes 2 hours or so to get through 4 innings of an Edwin Jackson start. It's very annoying to watch.

That and they traded Dan Hudson for him.
   12. zachtoma Posted: July 27, 2011 at 05:32 PM (#3886662)
In the past two years, Octavio Dotel - a decrepit fastball reliever with a 103 ERA+ in that span - has been used to acquire Colby Rasmus, James McDonald, and Andrew Lambo. Looking on the bright side for STL, maybe they will be able to trade him for Mike Moustakas in the offseason.
   13. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: July 27, 2011 at 05:34 PM (#3886667)
And has there ever been a trade including five established MLB relief pitchers before?


Quick, someone ask Ed Wade!
   14. Sam M. Posted: July 27, 2011 at 05:35 PM (#3886671)
Also, Edwin Jackson is incredibly frustrating to watch. Overall, he's a good pitcher. Great sometimes, even. He works so slow and walks so many batters, it takes 2 hours or so to get through 4 innings of an Edwin Jackson start. It's very annoying to watch.

Wait. So we're going to get Edwin Jackson starts followed by Tony LaRussa bullpen usage? Nine-inning games could last longer than last night's Braves-Pirates affair....
   15. Jimmy P Posted: July 27, 2011 at 05:37 PM (#3886678)
Surely the Sox could've bypassed the middleman (the Jays) and got Rasmus for Jackson and a bunch of stuff.

It's clear by this deal the Sox were more interested in shedding bad contracts than acquiring talent.
   16. RJ in TO Posted: July 27, 2011 at 05:44 PM (#3886687)
I love this trade - both for the addition of Rasmus, and for the removal of Dotel and Patterson. Now, AA just needs to find a way to get rid of Rauch and Francisco.
   17. hokieneer Posted: July 27, 2011 at 05:46 PM (#3886690)
This would make the fifth and sixth times Edwin Jackson has been traded since starting his major-league career. Not just switched teams, traded. Pretty odd in the post-reserve clause era. He's 27.

I don't' remember the exact details of all of them, but my memory is telling me that the team that trades him away always ends up with the better end of the deal. From what I can remember.

Rays -> Joyce
Tigers -> Max Scherzer (ok, this might be stretching it, he has only taken steps backwards)
D-Backs -> Daniel Hudson
Blue Jays -> Rasmus (ok, so what's the white sox getting?)

As a Reds fan, I'm loving this!
   18. TerpNats Posted: July 27, 2011 at 05:47 PM (#3886692)
Also, Edwin Jackson is incredibly frustrating to watch. Overall, he's a good pitcher. Great sometimes, even. He works so slow and walks so many batters, it takes 2 hours or so to get through 4 innings of an Edwin Jackson start. It's very annoying to watch.
Be thankful Mike Hargrove still isn't playing -- or that Jackson and Steve Trachsel will never pitch against each other.
   19. Randy Jones Posted: July 27, 2011 at 05:52 PM (#3886695)
So in ~6 months AA has managed to get rid of Vernon Wells and his contract and replace him with Colby Rasmus without giving up either money or any kind of significant players...

Wtf are the Cards thinking here?
   20. Jimmy P Posted: July 27, 2011 at 05:54 PM (#3886700)
Wtf are the Cards thinking here?

Do not question Tony LaRussa!

George Will's going to come after you now.
   21. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: July 27, 2011 at 05:57 PM (#3886703)
Rays -> Joyce
Tigers -> Max Scherzer (ok, this might be stretching it, he has only taken steps backwards)


And Daniel Schlereth!!!!!!

D-Backs -> Daniel Hudson
Blue Jays -> Rasmus (ok, so what's the white sox getting?)


Dodgers -> Danys Baez and Lance Carter. Not so good.
   22. Boileryard Posted: July 27, 2011 at 05:58 PM (#3886708)
With Frasor gone, it looks like Aaron Hill is now the longest-tenured Blue Jay. You could make the case for it being John McDonald if you ignore his brief stint in Detroit at the end of 2005.
   23. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: July 27, 2011 at 05:58 PM (#3886710)

In the past two years, Octavio Dotel - a decrepit fastball reliever with a 103 ERA+ in that span - has been used to acquire Colby Rasmus, James McDonald, and Andrew Lambo. Looking on the bright side for STL, maybe they will be able to trade him for Mike Moustakas in the offseason.


And Kyle Davies, who by every bit of visual evidence, sucks balls, but has produced 0.8 positive WAR in his Royals career.
   24. DCA Posted: July 27, 2011 at 05:59 PM (#3886711)
Why Patterson?

Cards would play Jay instead of Rasmus; he's LHB like Patterson. Davis would be a better fit since he's RHB. And I can't imagine Patterson vs Davis would hold this up for Jays.
   25. hokieneer Posted: July 27, 2011 at 06:01 PM (#3886713)
Dodgers -> Danys Baez and Lance Carter. Not so good.

There's a candy corn in this one.

Well, they can't all be winners, can they?
   26. Der Komminsk-sar Posted: July 27, 2011 at 06:11 PM (#3886725)
Another Olney (and lots of other people) rumor: Beltran to SF for Gary Brown (speedy minor league CF, showing better hit tool than I expected) + 2 more dudes.
   27. Dr. Vaux Posted: July 27, 2011 at 06:14 PM (#3886730)
Including Zach Wheeler, which would make it the day's second terrible trade (for the Giants, obviously).
   28. Walt Davis Posted: July 27, 2011 at 06:18 PM (#3886735)
Why Patterson?

OF depth, just a "free" throw-in for positional balance.
   29. Sam M. Posted: July 27, 2011 at 06:20 PM (#3886737)
Given all the rumors lately about how Alderson isn't supposed to be able to get a high-end prospect for Beltran because he's just a rental, and he can't be offered arbitration, if the Mets get Brown + out of Sabean, I'll be thrilled.

EDIT: And there's no way in the world it's going to include Wheeler. Sabean can't give up both of their best prospects. If Alderson does that . . . no way. No way.
   30. Walt Davis Posted: July 27, 2011 at 06:21 PM (#3886739)
And if the Cards wanted starting pitching, couldn't the Cubs have swung a Dempster + Fukudome for Rasmus deal or something. Throw in as much money as necessary.

EDIT: And I don't get it from the Sox perspective either. They're only 4.5 games out. Fine, they've got an extra SP but they're not exactly desperate for bullpen help while they should be considering starting Sam at 3B.
   31. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: July 27, 2011 at 06:21 PM (#3886740)
Olney says it's Wheeler. Sherman saying Brown is *not* in the trade. Andy Martino says it's up in the air between the two.

Looks like it will be either Wheeler OR Brown.
   32. DCW3 Posted: July 27, 2011 at 06:28 PM (#3886749)
Why Patterson?

The Cardinals don't have a backup CF with Jay becoming a starter.
   33. PreservedFish Posted: July 27, 2011 at 06:28 PM (#3886751)
Never heard of Brown or Wheeler, but the Twitterverse seems to think that either one is a solid snag for the Mets.
   34. Jimmy P Posted: July 27, 2011 at 06:29 PM (#3886753)
Looks like it will be either Wheeler OR Brown.

If he gets one of them he did a good job. Both is highway robbery.
   35. Eddo Posted: July 27, 2011 at 06:40 PM (#3886768)
EDIT: And I don't get it from the Sox perspective either. They're only 4.5 games out. Fine, they've got an extra SP but they're not exactly desperate for bullpen help while they should be considering starting Sam at 3B.

I don't disagree; that said, Reinsdorf allegedly told Williams to shed some payroll. Also, this frees up a spot to call up Alejandro de Aza(*) to start in center, giving Rios a much-needed benching.

(*) De Aza's no great shakes, as a 27-year-old, but he's having a good year in AAA and would have to be historically poor to be a downgrade in CF.

EDIT: De Aza's hitting 322/378/494 in Charlotte (career AAA, in 1100 PA: 302/3072/479). In 32 PA last September for the Sox, he hit 300/323/400.

EDIT II: And he just hit a two-run HR to put the Sox up!
   36. Sam M. Posted: July 27, 2011 at 06:41 PM (#3886769)
Never heard of Brown or Wheeler, but the Twitterverse seems to think that either one is a solid snag for the Mets.


Gary Brown -- the Giants' first-round pick last year, now doing a very nice job in his first full season in high A ball at San Jose. Outstanding center field prospect; projects as a GG-quality defensive player. Has 38 XBH (242B/63B/8HR) in 401 ABs, .317/.386/.466. 39 stolen bases. Out of CS-Fullerton; BA had him as the Giants # 3 prospect coming into the year.

Zack Wheeler -- Just 21, also at San Jose (drafted first round in 2009). 7-5, 3.99 ERA in 16 starts. 88 IP, 74 H, 98/47 K/BB. Right-hander whom BA ranked as the Giants' # 2 prospect coming into the year, behind Brandon Belt). Mid-90s fastball.
   37. Drew (Primakov, Gungho Iguanas) Posted: July 27, 2011 at 06:42 PM (#3886770)
The White Sox are the biggest losers in this deal.

It's Rasmus-and-dreck for Jackson-and-slightly-better-dreck. But the Jays gave up nothing (other than Jackson) that isn't easily replaceable.

EDIT: Eyechart's already useful and might be more than that later.
   38. Hack Wilson Posted: July 27, 2011 at 06:50 PM (#3886779)
I just saw a KW interview he made it pretty clear that it was a salary dump:
Mark Teahen 3 years/$14M (2010-12)
   39. PreservedFish Posted: July 27, 2011 at 06:50 PM (#3886780)
Thanks Sam. They both look fine to me.
   40. Jimmy P Posted: July 27, 2011 at 06:53 PM (#3886785)
The White Sox are the biggest losers in this deal.

No, the Cards are. At least the Sox got a decent pitching prospect. The Cards gave up the best piece in the deal, and they now have Edwin Jackson.
   41. Dr. Vaux Posted: July 27, 2011 at 06:54 PM (#3886790)
Brown's 22. Isn't that a little old for A ball?
   42. Drew (Primakov, Gungho Iguanas) Posted: July 27, 2011 at 06:59 PM (#3886799)
At least the Sox got a decent pitching prospect.


As was noted above, Stewart is in the midst of repeating AA at 24 and looking terrible doing it.
   43. Der Komminsk-sar Posted: July 27, 2011 at 07:03 PM (#3886805)
I'm the De Aza fan club, population one.
I think he's a perfectly adequate fourth outfielder - a little too impatient at the plate, pretty bad v. lefties, undisciplined as a baserunner ... but decent stick v. righties, good fielder in the corners and adequate in center. As a short term platoon CF, he'd be fine.

Brown: 22 in high-A is fine. Heck, he was drafted just last year (where his walk rate was horribly low). The pop is a bit of a surprise.
Wheeler: I like him less than most ... the HR and BB rates are red flags.
   44. Sam M. Posted: July 27, 2011 at 07:03 PM (#3886806)
Brown's 22. Isn't that a little old for A ball?

You gotta start your first-round pick someplace, and if he's a college draftee, he's probably going to be 21-22 years old (especially a 2010 draftee in the 2011 season). I suppose the Giants could have started him in AA, but that would have been a bit of a stretch for his first real taste of pro ball. It's a reasonable debate, whether you err on the side of caution because of the fact he's just getting started in the pros, or you accelerate him because of his age. If I'm the GM, I start my high draft picks -- college or HS -- no higher than A ball.

EDIT:

Brown: 22 in high-A is fine. Heck, he was drafted just last year (where his walk rate was horribly low). The pop is a bit of a surprise.

Brown only played last year in 12 games. For all intents and purposes, this year is his debut.

In any event, the NY Times is saying it looks like Wheeler.
   45. Dr. Vaux Posted: July 27, 2011 at 07:05 PM (#3886808)
Yes, I guess it seems like nowadays it's common to do a half year at each level rather than a whole, so you're not looking at a 25 year-old rookie.
   46. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: July 27, 2011 at 07:07 PM (#3886809)
Brown's 22. Isn't that a little old for A ball?


He's in the middle of his first full professional season. How quickly do you expect college players to be promoted?
   47. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: July 27, 2011 at 07:07 PM (#3886810)
Seems like sources agree it's Wheeler (and cash?).

Seems like the Mets did well considering teams kept saying they wouldn't move a top prospect for Beltran.
   48. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: July 27, 2011 at 07:13 PM (#3886817)
The cynic in me says the Mets got a better deal today than the Royals did six years ago for Beltran.
   49. Sam M. Posted: July 27, 2011 at 07:15 PM (#3886821)
Wheeler: I like him less than most ... the HR and BB rates are red flags.

I don't agree, especially about the walks. If he were an almost-finished product (e.g., Mike Minor), then sure -- a high walk rate is a "red flag." But for a 21 year old with a high strikeout rate? Too many walks are a part of his development. I would bet that the Giants have been working with him to improve his change-up and other secondary pitches, and rather than shelve those when he struggles with command (and thus walks too many), they would want him to keep plugging away to get better. Minor league ball, after all, ain't all about the winning. So if he's walking too many now in the service of becoming a better pitcher in 2014, then it's not a red flag; it's a part of the process.

The home runs might or might not be similar. If he's giving a lot of those up on his best stuff, then yes -- that's a red flag. I certainly don't follow the Giants or Zach Wheeler enough to have an opinion. But I like a 21 year old who has good enough stuff to have justified being drafted in the top 10 by an organization with the track record the Giants have in developing pitchers, who strikes people out as he has, and whom the Mets' front office evaluators (apparently) want. I'll take it, especially for a rental like Beltran -- whom I'll miss, but whom we weren't going to win with this year or get draft picks for next year.
   50. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: July 27, 2011 at 07:16 PM (#3886823)
Brown is super-fast. I like him a lot.
   51. PreservedFish Posted: July 27, 2011 at 07:24 PM (#3886832)
With the loss of Beltran, Ike Davis and David Wright will be the Mets' season leaders in HR. With 7.
   52. Der Komminsk-sar Posted: July 27, 2011 at 07:24 PM (#3886833)
That's all fair, Sam - however... the track record of guys with that high of a walk or homerun rate (the latter isn't that high, to be clear) isn't great. I'm not saying Wheeler won't make it, but I like him less than most [/2cents]

I was also down on Brown a year ago at this time, so whatdoIknow?

Mets reportedly kicking in $4M (of the $6M owed to Beltran).
   53. Der Komminsk-sar Posted: July 27, 2011 at 07:44 PM (#3886849)
BA, at midseason:
Brown (#33 in baseball): 2010 first-rounder has game-changing speed and knows how to get on-base
Wheeler (#35): Control isn't always there, but easy 92-97 mph velocity stands out
   54. The Artist Posted: July 27, 2011 at 07:55 PM (#3886864)
Goddamnit! I did not want to give up Wheeler to a Mets team that has no frigging leverage.
   55. Dewey, Soupuss Not Doomed to Succeed Posted: July 27, 2011 at 08:03 PM (#3886876)
As was noted above, Stewart is in the midst of repeating AA at 24 and looking terrible doing it.

Even if Stewart's nothing much, Jackson wasn't worth too much (he's a free agent after this season, and he's a Boras client - not signing a cheap extension for anyone) and they managed to get rid of Teahen. All in all, the White Sox save about $9.5 million without giving up anything that will hurt them. It's not a bad deal for them.
   56. Pujols Shot Ya Posted: July 27, 2011 at 08:03 PM (#3886878)
I want my Rasmus back.
   57. RJ in TO Posted: July 27, 2011 at 08:09 PM (#3886886)
I want my Rasmus back.

You can't have him. He's ours now.
   58. Pujols Shot Ya Posted: July 27, 2011 at 08:29 PM (#3886913)
I want my Rasmus back.

You can't have him. He's ours now.


It's not fair!
   59. madvillain Posted: July 27, 2011 at 10:13 PM (#3887017)
All in all, the White Sox save about $9.5 million without giving up anything that will hurt them. It's not a bad deal for them.


Well, it's about time KW did something. Somehow, in the most back-handed way possible, he also cleared room for De Aza (blessedly, at the expense of the 40 million dollar corpse, Alex Rios), which paid immediate dividends as his HR today was the margin against the Tigers.

I'm glad to be gone of Teahan, who should never have been signed to any sort of long term contract and was yet another example of a guy Ozzie Guillen should never have on his roster.

The Sox have a lot of SP depth. They always do, which is why the trade for Jackson last year made so little sense. Give Don Cooper three fifth starter type castoffs and he'll turn one of them into a league average innings eater before spring training is out.

Stewart, the "failed prospect" the Sox got back sounds like another classic Cooper project. Worse case I believe he'll be a solid setup man on the cheap for the next few years.

I think Matt Thornton is now on the block.
   60. Good cripple hitter Posted: July 27, 2011 at 10:36 PM (#3887041)
You can't have him. He's ours now.


I cannot believe that the Jays got Colby Rasmus for Frasor, Stewart, Scrabble, and spare parts (and PTBNL, which might change this). And I suppose some money for Teahen. I loved Frasor, and I'm sad to see him go, but this is the best case scenario for his departure from Toronto.

I'm confused, because I'm actually overjoyed with this deal, and as a Jays fan I don't really understand the concept of this team giving me joy by acquiring a player.

And Dotel's gone! These trades are an inexhaustible well of gold and goodness.
   61. Lars6788 Posted: July 28, 2011 at 03:07 AM (#3887335)
All the Jays need to do now is hire Tony Rasmus as an 'assistant hitting coach' and they'll be all set to reap the benefits of Colby's immense talent.
   62. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: July 28, 2011 at 03:25 AM (#3887342)
With the loss of Beltran, Ike Davis and David Wright will be the Mets' season leaders in HR. With 7.


Dan Murphy has 6. I predict he leads the team in home runs with 12, just like he did in 2009.
   63. Sleepy supports unauthorized rambling Posted: July 28, 2011 at 03:53 AM (#3887348)
All the Jays need to do now is hire Tony Rasmus as an 'assistant hitting coach' and they'll be all set to reap the benefits of Colby's immense talent.


Imagine what Bautista will do, with Sr Rasmus's extra "help".
   64. Sam M. Posted: July 28, 2011 at 03:56 AM (#3887349)
Dan Murphy has 6. I predict he leads the team in home runs with 12, just like he did in 2009.

David Wright hit this opposite field shot tonight for # 8. I love Daniel Murphy, but he's outgunned now that D-Wright is healthy.
   65. Jim Kaat on a hot Gene Roof Posted: July 28, 2011 at 04:05 AM (#3887354)
FFS, this deal is awful. It's all TLR's fault, but like the perfect human-weasel hybrid (i.e., lawyer) he is, he's perfectly arranged things where Mozeliak, the greatest patsy since Lee Harvey Oswald, will get all the blame for it. The Cardinals won't get lucky on this one like they did with Anthony Reyes: Rasmus will be fairly great someday, though I have the feeling it will be an inconsistent and somehow disappointing great, kinda like J.D. Drew. Next year, when Rasmus is tearing up the AL East and Pujols is playing in Anaheim, Mozeliak might have cause to fear for his life in St. Louis; meanwhile Teflon Tony will continue to have to support of the moronic majority of the fanbase, as personified by perpetually shameless TRL booster cfb.

Even the minor parts of this deal are bad. TLR and Duncan have had a hard-on for Dotel for years; ugh. Corey Patterson was always terrible even when every Nazi Child Molesters' fan on earth was claiming his awesomeness as a can't-miss prospect. If Jackson's a free agent, he'll walk; if he's not or if the Cards sign him, his arm will fall off. Rzepwhatever will suck because aside Yaz, no one of Slavic descent with _that_ much of a vowel-challenged name has ever been worth a damn; maybe if he changed his last name to Benatar...

Ugh, just ugh. The Cardinals are ruined.
   66. Dog on the sidewalk Posted: July 28, 2011 at 04:48 AM (#3887369)
Angry Retardo = happy me.
   67. robinred Posted: July 28, 2011 at 07:02 AM (#3887385)
I think LaRussa has pushed his LaRussaness too far on this one. But then, I didn't like Drew for Wainwright from the STL POV, either.

I disagree with Giants' fans who are pissed off about losing Wheeler to get Beltran. In the Giants' situation, it is a great idea. I also think the "X had no leverage" meme is overplayed on BTF.
   68. RollingWave Posted: July 28, 2011 at 07:03 AM (#3887387)
Well Austin Jackson was pretty good...though this year not so much.

But seriously, Rasmus was awesome last year and pretty solid so far this year despite being completely thrown under the bus by his team. every team without 3 good OF should have went for him if that was the price.
   69. MM1f Posted: July 28, 2011 at 07:07 AM (#3887389)
Baseball America says that the Cardinals could still receive as many as three PTBNLs, of significant value, to complete this trade so it might not be as bad as it looks right now for St Louis. As it stands now, it does seem like St Louis sold low on Rasmus but I would also say that it seemed clear that Rasmus+St Louis wasn't ever going to work. The kid and his dad have a long, bad reputation and it seemed clear that he wasn't going to listen to any St Louis coaches
   70. shoewizard Posted: July 28, 2011 at 07:22 AM (#3887391)
One of either Larussa or Rasmus must be the worlds biggest #######. (I guess it could be both)

Despite a bit of a down year, he still comps out to some VERY good players

LINK
   71. Greg K Posted: July 28, 2011 at 03:14 PM (#3887521)
I disagree with Giants' fans who are pissed off about losing Wheeler to get Beltran. In the Giants' situation, it is a great idea. I also think the "X had no leverage" meme is overplayed on BTF.

Yeah, I think the Mets "leverage" was that there were about 40 teams rumoured to be after Beltran. Sure they may have HAD to trade him, but they didn't have to trade him to San Francisco.
   72. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: July 28, 2011 at 03:34 PM (#3887543)
the Cardinals could still receive as many as three PTBNLs, of significant value


Or cash.
   73. Greg Maddux School of Reflexive Profanity Posted: July 28, 2011 at 07:05 PM (#3887782)
@sportsguy33 Liked the Cards trade. I'm a big fan of Rzepczynski + 2011 Ed Jackson has been sneaky-good. Was hoping Boston would get 1 of them.

*cackles in delight*
   74. Quaker Posted: October 31, 2011 at 03:19 AM (#3983057)
Bump.
   75. LionoftheSenate (Brewers v A's World Series) Posted: October 31, 2011 at 03:45 AM (#3983068)
Yea, nobody said this would turn out good for STL. Probably because most of this community is obsessed with building for the future. Best player in this deal was probably Dotel vs R Braun in the NLCS. Scrabble was pretty nice as well.
   76. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: October 31, 2011 at 04:05 AM (#3983077)
Nice to see Colby Rasmus finally get his ring.

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