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1. Jimmy P Posted: July 27, 2011 at 05:06 PM (#3886597)The Cardinals will send Rasmus, Trever Miller, Brian Tallet, and P.J. Walters to the Blue Jays for Jackson, Rzepczynski, Dotel, and Corey Patterson, tweets ESPN's Buster Olney. Olney adds that Miller is then expected to be traded to the White Sox.
And has there ever been a trade including five established MLB relief pitchers before?
That Cards/Jays deal looks ridiculous. Surely the Sox could've bypassed the middleman (the Jays) and got Rasmus for Jackson and a bunch of stuff.
That and they traded Dan Hudson for him.
Quick, someone ask Ed Wade!
Wait. So we're going to get Edwin Jackson starts followed by Tony LaRussa bullpen usage? Nine-inning games could last longer than last night's Braves-Pirates affair....
It's clear by this deal the Sox were more interested in shedding bad contracts than acquiring talent.
I don't' remember the exact details of all of them, but my memory is telling me that the team that trades him away always ends up with the better end of the deal. From what I can remember.
Rays -> Joyce
Tigers -> Max Scherzer (ok, this might be stretching it, he has only taken steps backwards)
D-Backs -> Daniel Hudson
Blue Jays -> Rasmus (ok, so what's the white sox getting?)
As a Reds fan, I'm loving this!
Wtf are the Cards thinking here?
Do not question Tony LaRussa!
George Will's going to come after you now.
And Daniel Schlereth!!!!!!
Dodgers -> Danys Baez and Lance Carter. Not so good.
And Kyle Davies, who by every bit of visual evidence, sucks balls, but has produced 0.8 positive WAR in his Royals career.
Cards would play Jay instead of Rasmus; he's LHB like Patterson. Davis would be a better fit since he's RHB. And I can't imagine Patterson vs Davis would hold this up for Jays.
There's a candy corn in this one.
Well, they can't all be winners, can they?
OF depth, just a "free" throw-in for positional balance.
EDIT: And there's no way in the world it's going to include Wheeler. Sabean can't give up both of their best prospects. If Alderson does that . . . no way. No way.
EDIT: And I don't get it from the Sox perspective either. They're only 4.5 games out. Fine, they've got an extra SP but they're not exactly desperate for bullpen help while they should be considering starting Sam at 3B.
Looks like it will be either Wheeler OR Brown.
The Cardinals don't have a backup CF with Jay becoming a starter.
If he gets one of them he did a good job. Both is highway robbery.
I don't disagree; that said, Reinsdorf allegedly told Williams to shed some payroll. Also, this frees up a spot to call up Alejandro de Aza(*) to start in center, giving Rios a much-needed benching.
(*) De Aza's no great shakes, as a 27-year-old, but he's having a good year in AAA and would have to be historically poor to be a downgrade in CF.
EDIT: De Aza's hitting 322/378/494 in Charlotte (career AAA, in 1100 PA: 302/3072/479). In 32 PA last September for the Sox, he hit 300/323/400.
EDIT II: And he just hit a two-run HR to put the Sox up!
Gary Brown -- the Giants' first-round pick last year, now doing a very nice job in his first full season in high A ball at San Jose. Outstanding center field prospect; projects as a GG-quality defensive player. Has 38 XBH (242B/63B/8HR) in 401 ABs, .317/.386/.466. 39 stolen bases. Out of CS-Fullerton; BA had him as the Giants # 3 prospect coming into the year.
Zack Wheeler -- Just 21, also at San Jose (drafted first round in 2009). 7-5, 3.99 ERA in 16 starts. 88 IP, 74 H, 98/47 K/BB. Right-hander whom BA ranked as the Giants' # 2 prospect coming into the year, behind Brandon Belt). Mid-90s fastball.
It's Rasmus-and-dreck for Jackson-and-slightly-better-dreck. But the Jays gave up nothing (other than Jackson) that isn't easily replaceable.
EDIT: Eyechart's already useful and might be more than that later.
Mark Teahen 3 years/$14M (2010-12)
No, the Cards are. At least the Sox got a decent pitching prospect. The Cards gave up the best piece in the deal, and they now have Edwin Jackson.
As was noted above, Stewart is in the midst of repeating AA at 24 and looking terrible doing it.
I think he's a perfectly adequate fourth outfielder - a little too impatient at the plate, pretty bad v. lefties, undisciplined as a baserunner ... but decent stick v. righties, good fielder in the corners and adequate in center. As a short term platoon CF, he'd be fine.
Brown: 22 in high-A is fine. Heck, he was drafted just last year (where his walk rate was horribly low). The pop is a bit of a surprise.
Wheeler: I like him less than most ... the HR and BB rates are red flags.
You gotta start your first-round pick someplace, and if he's a college draftee, he's probably going to be 21-22 years old (especially a 2010 draftee in the 2011 season). I suppose the Giants could have started him in AA, but that would have been a bit of a stretch for his first real taste of pro ball. It's a reasonable debate, whether you err on the side of caution because of the fact he's just getting started in the pros, or you accelerate him because of his age. If I'm the GM, I start my high draft picks -- college or HS -- no higher than A ball.
EDIT:
Brown: 22 in high-A is fine. Heck, he was drafted just last year (where his walk rate was horribly low). The pop is a bit of a surprise.
Brown only played last year in 12 games. For all intents and purposes, this year is his debut.
In any event, the NY Times is saying it looks like Wheeler.
He's in the middle of his first full professional season. How quickly do you expect college players to be promoted?
Seems like the Mets did well considering teams kept saying they wouldn't move a top prospect for Beltran.
I don't agree, especially about the walks. If he were an almost-finished product (e.g., Mike Minor), then sure -- a high walk rate is a "red flag." But for a 21 year old with a high strikeout rate? Too many walks are a part of his development. I would bet that the Giants have been working with him to improve his change-up and other secondary pitches, and rather than shelve those when he struggles with command (and thus walks too many), they would want him to keep plugging away to get better. Minor league ball, after all, ain't all about the winning. So if he's walking too many now in the service of becoming a better pitcher in 2014, then it's not a red flag; it's a part of the process.
The home runs might or might not be similar. If he's giving a lot of those up on his best stuff, then yes -- that's a red flag. I certainly don't follow the Giants or Zach Wheeler enough to have an opinion. But I like a 21 year old who has good enough stuff to have justified being drafted in the top 10 by an organization with the track record the Giants have in developing pitchers, who strikes people out as he has, and whom the Mets' front office evaluators (apparently) want. I'll take it, especially for a rental like Beltran -- whom I'll miss, but whom we weren't going to win with this year or get draft picks for next year.
I was also down on Brown a year ago at this time, so whatdoIknow?
Mets reportedly kicking in $4M (of the $6M owed to Beltran).
Brown (#33 in baseball): 2010 first-rounder has game-changing speed and knows how to get on-base
Wheeler (#35): Control isn't always there, but easy 92-97 mph velocity stands out
Even if Stewart's nothing much, Jackson wasn't worth too much (he's a free agent after this season, and he's a Boras client - not signing a cheap extension for anyone) and they managed to get rid of Teahen. All in all, the White Sox save about $9.5 million without giving up anything that will hurt them. It's not a bad deal for them.
You can't have him. He's ours now.
You can't have him. He's ours now.
It's not fair!
Well, it's about time KW did something. Somehow, in the most back-handed way possible, he also cleared room for De Aza (blessedly, at the expense of the 40 million dollar corpse, Alex Rios), which paid immediate dividends as his HR today was the margin against the Tigers.
I'm glad to be gone of Teahan, who should never have been signed to any sort of long term contract and was yet another example of a guy Ozzie Guillen should never have on his roster.
The Sox have a lot of SP depth. They always do, which is why the trade for Jackson last year made so little sense. Give Don Cooper three fifth starter type castoffs and he'll turn one of them into a league average innings eater before spring training is out.
Stewart, the "failed prospect" the Sox got back sounds like another classic Cooper project. Worse case I believe he'll be a solid setup man on the cheap for the next few years.
I think Matt Thornton is now on the block.
I cannot believe that the Jays got Colby Rasmus for Frasor, Stewart, Scrabble, and spare parts (and PTBNL, which might change this). And I suppose some money for Teahen. I loved Frasor, and I'm sad to see him go, but this is the best case scenario for his departure from Toronto.
I'm confused, because I'm actually overjoyed with this deal, and as a Jays fan I don't really understand the concept of this team giving me joy by acquiring a player.
And Dotel's gone! These trades are an inexhaustible well of gold and goodness.
Dan Murphy has 6. I predict he leads the team in home runs with 12, just like he did in 2009.
Imagine what Bautista will do, with Sr Rasmus's extra "help".
David Wright hit this opposite field shot tonight for # 8. I love Daniel Murphy, but he's outgunned now that D-Wright is healthy.
Even the minor parts of this deal are bad. TLR and Duncan have had a hard-on for Dotel for years; ugh. Corey Patterson was always terrible even when every Nazi Child Molesters' fan on earth was claiming his awesomeness as a can't-miss prospect. If Jackson's a free agent, he'll walk; if he's not or if the Cards sign him, his arm will fall off. Rzepwhatever will suck because aside Yaz, no one of Slavic descent with _that_ much of a vowel-challenged name has ever been worth a damn; maybe if he changed his last name to Benatar...
Ugh, just ugh. The Cardinals are ruined.
I disagree with Giants' fans who are pissed off about losing Wheeler to get Beltran. In the Giants' situation, it is a great idea. I also think the "X had no leverage" meme is overplayed on BTF.
But seriously, Rasmus was awesome last year and pretty solid so far this year despite being completely thrown under the bus by his team. every team without 3 good OF should have went for him if that was the price.
Despite a bit of a down year, he still comps out to some VERY good players
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Yeah, I think the Mets "leverage" was that there were about 40 teams rumoured to be after Beltran. Sure they may have HAD to trade him, but they didn't have to trade him to San Francisco.
Or cash.
*cackles in delight*
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