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Monday, January 02, 2012

White Sox trade Jason Frasor to Jays

Reliever Jason Frasor is headed back to the Toronto Blue Jays.

The 34-year-old righty was traded from the White Sox to Toronto on Sunday, five months after the Blue Jays dealt him to Chicago.

The White Sox got minor league right-handers Myles Jaye and Daniel Webb in this latest swap….

“It felt like I was never coming back. (His July 27 trade) was an emotional day. I think it was the first time I’d cried since I gave up five runs in Atlanta a couple of years ago,” Frasor said….

Frasor, from Chicago, was 3-3 with a 3.60 ERA in 64 relief appearances with the White Sox and Toronto last season. Chicago acquired him and pitcher Zach Stewart from the Blue Jays for pitcher Edwin Jackson and infielder-outfielder Mark Teahen in midseason.

Frasor had been the longest serving member of the Blue Jays and left as the franchise leader in games pitched when they traded him. He spent eight seasons—2004-11—with the Blue Jays, posting a 24-28 record in 455 games with 36 saves and a 3.69 ERA.

And who is 119th in franchise history in games pitched - who else? - Octavio Dotel.

RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: January 02, 2012 at 09:45 PM | 12 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. spivey Posted: January 02, 2012 at 11:28 PM (#4027330)
I don't think the Blue Jays are acquiring enough relievers.
   2. The Long Arm of Rudy Law Posted: January 02, 2012 at 11:43 PM (#4027340)
Frasor had been the longest serving member of the Blue Jays and left as the franchise leader in games pitched when they traded him.


That makes it sound like somebody passed him. Numbers two through four are Duane Ward, Tom Henke, and Dave Stieb. Frasor has more than 100 more appearances than the closest active pitcher and more than 200 more than the closest current Blue Jay. If there was a Sporcle quiz about naming the guy with the most games pitched for each team, I would not have guess Frasor. I probably wouldn't even have spelled it right if I did think of him.
   3. Dr. Vaux Posted: January 03, 2012 at 12:18 AM (#4027357)
Is it me, or is it really odd for a professional player to admit that his on field failure made him cry? A relief pitcher, no less.
   4. The Long Arm of Rudy Law Posted: January 03, 2012 at 12:29 AM (#4027363)
He only gave up four runs against Atlanta, but he also allowed three inherited runners to score. I was at this game, which he also boned. He didn't have anything, and when he stayed in the game, that's when I became convinced Guillen had given up.
   5. ...and Toronto selects: Troy Tulowitzki Posted: January 03, 2012 at 12:33 AM (#4027370)
I don't think the Blue Jays are acquiring enough relievers.

With the Rasmus trade, they traded away three relievers. The had two more leave as free-agents. They've signed and traded for three this offseason (Santos, Oliver, Frasor). According to Frasor and his dicussion with Anthopoulos yesterday, he's finished assembling his bullpen.
   6. Addison Russell T. Davies (chris h.) Posted: January 03, 2012 at 09:54 AM (#4027542)
It was my understanding that there was no crying in baseball.
   7. Bourbon Samurai, what price fettucine? Posted: January 03, 2012 at 10:02 AM (#4027550)
If there was a Sporcle quiz about naming the guy with the most games pitched for each team, I would not have guess Frasor.


someone make that.

not me, but someone.
   8. Good cripple hitter Posted: January 03, 2012 at 10:02 AM (#4027551)
Is it me, or is it really odd for a professional player to admit that his on field failure made him cry? A relief pitcher, no less.


I found that somewhat odd, too, but the knock on Jason has always been that he's a good pitcher who doesn't have the mental stuff to pitch well in the clutch. This quote probably won't help that reputation.

That being said, I like Frasor, he was in the weird position of being my favourite player on the team kind of by default. When he's on, he's fun to watch, and it just kind of feels right to see him pitching the 7th or the 8th of Jays games.

   9. JimMusComp likes Billy Eppler.... Posted: January 03, 2012 at 10:24 AM (#4027571)
When he's on, he's fun to watch, and it just kind of feels right to see him pitching the 7th or the 8th of Jays games.


Scot Shields was like that for about six years wit the Angels. I loved watching him throw a 1-2-3 inning on like 11 pitches with a K and a couple of weak ground outs.
   10. Kevin Sweet Child Romine (aco) Posted: January 03, 2012 at 01:10 PM (#4027748)
someone make that.


Done and done.
   11. ...and Toronto selects: Troy Tulowitzki Posted: January 03, 2012 at 01:58 PM (#4027832)
I found that somewhat odd, too, but the knock on Jason has always been that he's a good pitcher who doesn't have the mental stuff to pitch well in the clutch. This quote probably won't help that reputation.

Yikes, being human and honest are not appreciated in here apparently. How "odd" he is. He should have smashed something in the clubhouse, or got pis$hammered. He's a friendly, appreciative guy with no bravado. Excommunicate him immediately. Get Rob Dibble here at once, this game needs a real man. /sarcasm
   12. Good cripple hitter Posted: January 04, 2012 at 02:28 AM (#4028420)
Yikes, being human and honest are not appreciated in here apparently. How "odd" he is. He should have smashed something in the clubhouse, or got pis$hammered. He's a friendly, appreciative guy with no bravado. Excommunicate him immediately. Get Rob Dibble here at once, this game needs a real man. /sarcasm


My comment had nothing to do with what Jason Frasor actually is, as a pitcher or a human being. I said 'the knock on Frasor is...', not 'I think Frasor should man up, take lessons from a Real Man's Man like Steven Regal, and learn how to close games while spitting fire, chugging Red Bull, and impregnating every woman in the In The Action seats.' I originally almost added a disclaimer that I didn't believe he's bad in high leverage and I wished that he'd never lost his closer role to Kevin ####### Gregg, but I was on my way out the door and I didn't think anyone would take it so personally.

Like I said, I'm a fan of Frasor, both for his pitching and his hilarious "I"m pond scum" interview that he gave as a free agent who was screwed over by compensation rules. Many times in the past I've grumbled about the Jays for using other who are either worse or merely as good as Jason in high leverage innings. I'd rather have Frasor than pitchers like Jon Rauch and Kevin Gregg who sucked and smashed stuff.

That being said, Frasor does have poor mound presence (appearance/body language/taking forever to pitch with runners on), he has a history of being yanked from being used in high-leverage innings after one or two mediocre outings, and I'd swear that I've heard Buck Martinez/ Pat Tabler / etc. on broadcasts complain about his performance in the clutch. Again, I don't think there's much if anything to the idea that he's bad in clutch situations, and I don't think that he should be shunted down to Las Vegas for talking about crying after a bad outing. I just found it kind of humorous/odd, like his pond scum comment.

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