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Saturday, March 18, 2017

Why Fantasy Baseball Remains a Dad-Friendly Zone

Another reason to not expect a change, people like me, who want a more realistic competition will play sim baseball games.

And that’s why fantasy may never need to adapt, no matter how statistically literate its audience grows. An online league isn’t really a refuge for late adopters who still see pitcher wins as a worthwhile statistic — they’re the marks that the stat-savvy players prey on. But in fantasy, the anachronistic numbers that in real life we’ve learned to discount are as vital as most fans once believed them to be. “There are some leagues that use straight sabermetrics,” Shandler says, citing Ottoneu. “But I don’t see these ever becoming mainstream.”

Jim Furtado Posted: March 18, 2017 at 11:13 AM | 12 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. PreservedFish Posted: March 18, 2017 at 06:01 PM (#5419348)
In 1999, annoyed with the stupid classic roto categories, I started a Yahoo Fantasy league with custom scoring based on linear weights. You could assign points values to events so it was easy to make a single worth .5 points, a homerun 1.4, SB worth .15 or whatever it was, etc. Pitching was not easy because you couldn't use those same categories, so I believe I ended up with only two statistics: earned runs and innings pitched, each assigned totally nonintuitive run values. I messed the pitching math up, and the league was totally abandoned a few weeks into April. It was a good idea, though.

Now I'm in a dynasty DMB league, which I love, because it feels about as realistic as these things get. It's still not entirely realistic, and there are strange ramifications stemming from the use of last year's numbers, but it's pretty great.

I'd also love to play in a historical DMB league (does anyone do this?) and in a league that uses the Szymborski projection disk (does anyone do this?). The former would be fascinating, the latter would arguably be an improvement over the way most people play DMB, in which short-season sample size flukes are unduly important.
   2. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: March 18, 2017 at 08:45 PM (#5419376)
Because counting stats are easier and more fun to track than rate stats. If your player has an 8 RBI game, those 8 RBI are permanent part of your team's season score, never to be undone. If your league uses OBP and wOBA and RC+ and other advanced analytics, your 4-5 with 2 doubles game today is undone by a clump of player's going 2 for 20 tomorrow.

Using advanced stats to project player performance, which is then reflected in "antiquated" stats like Runs and RBI isn't backwards, it is the same thing MLB teams do. They're using advanced stats to try to score runs. Runs and RBI track runs scored.

I play in multiple cut-throat simulation leagues, and do fairly well. I understand the advanced stuff. Fantasy has a more social aspect, and a different scoring mechanism. Each have their own pros and cons.

   3. Brian White Posted: March 18, 2017 at 09:12 PM (#5419380)
In 1999, annoyed with the stupid classic roto categories, I started a Yahoo Fantasy league with custom scoring based on linear weights. You could assign points values to events so it was easy to make a single worth .5 points, a homerun 1.4, SB worth .15 or whatever it was, etc. Pitching was not easy because you couldn't use those same categories, so I believe I ended up with only two statistics: earned runs and innings pitched, each assigned totally nonintuitive run values. I messed the pitching math up, and the league was totally abandoned a few weeks into April. It was a good idea, though.


Back in the day I played in a Yahoo league with similar scoring, basically your values multiplied by 8 or so to make everything an integer. One flaw was that it was actually kind of difficult to fill 1460 innings (the league cap) and the IP/ER scoring was set such that replacement level ERA gave no points. A winning strategy was to carry 8 non-awful starting pitchers and put them in whenever they made a start against a non-elite offensive team.
   4. GGC for Sale Posted: March 18, 2017 at 09:25 PM (#5419382)
How to Baseball? I hate it when people verb nouns. It's like when they skip the word "of" in phrases like "Because March Madness."


PF, some Loungers got together to do a historical DMB league thatstarted in the 1930s. I played for a few seasons. AFAICT, Kirby Kyle is still in that league.
   5. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: March 18, 2017 at 09:28 PM (#5419383)
I had a fantasy draft last week and I was really thrown off by being used to WAR, encompassing defensive metrics. I had no idea that Matt Kemp was actually a valuable fantasy player last year. Its like I had no idea how to fantasy baseball.
   6. Brian White Posted: March 18, 2017 at 09:48 PM (#5419389)
I hate it when people verb nouns.


Verbing weirds language.
   7. PreservedFish Posted: March 18, 2017 at 09:51 PM (#5419390)
PF, some Loungers got together to do a historical DMB league thatstarted in the 1930s. I played for a few seasons. AFAICT, Kirby Kyle is still in that league.


Sweet. Any of you dudes still doing this? I'm interested!
   8. PreservedFish Posted: March 18, 2017 at 09:53 PM (#5419391)
BLB:
I play in multiple cut-throat simulation leagues, and do fairly well.


Does this mean DMD, or something else?
   9. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: March 19, 2017 at 12:26 AM (#5419459)
DMB, APBA, Action PC Football.
   10. charityslave is thinking about baseball Posted: March 19, 2017 at 12:55 AM (#5419464)
Is there any way to incorporate advanced defensive metrics into fantasy baseball?
   11. shoewizard Posted: March 19, 2017 at 02:11 AM (#5419472)
Are there any online leagues that just use one of the WARS ?

   12. GGC for Sale Posted: March 19, 2017 at 07:53 PM (#5419644)
One problem I have with fantasy sports is that it leads to rooting for outcomes you wouldn't otherwise want; like rooting for Emmit Smith to score TDs and rush for 100 yards. My real life friends who are diehard sports fans are more into football, so I have more experience with fantasy football. Two of them were lawyers who kept their calendars clear enough during the fall so that they could work the waiver wire and pick up guys likely to play in place of injured players. Luck was enough of a factor where a less devoted owner like me could still be successful; until a third hypercompetitve owner showed up. The roster turnover in fantasy sports seems unrealistic; another part of it I don't like. It's an ersatz GM experience; unless your league has a minor league system or a taxi squad.

The one year I played fantasy baseball, some friends and I started an NL only league. We were mainly Red Sox and Yankee fans,so this didn't lead to any conflict of fan interests; except for the lone Mets fan. Some of the other guys were smart, but they weren't as heavy into saberism as me. I concentrated on good hitting players on the C-SS-2B end of the defensive spectrum and relievers and won the league. Were I to play with Primates, I might've considered a different approach.

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