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Why social media unfairly branded this Cubs fan a villain

But who doesn’t love a good witch hunt?

Jim Furtado Posted: July 23, 2018 at 08:28 PM | 32 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: July 23, 2018 at 08:58 PM (#5714517)
because, like softcore porn, bob ross and ow, my balls, it was mildly amusing, took no mental effort to understand and it came with a happy ending.
   2. Zonk is a Doppleclapper Posted: July 23, 2018 at 09:21 PM (#5714549)
IDK... I think there's a certain age - I'd put it in the 20s - where absent certain very stringent exceptions, foul ball/tossed ball/etc swag goes to the nearest kid.

I remember a kind fan giving a foul ball to my younger brother -- in Philadelphia, at Veterans Stadium, with both me and my brother wearing Cubs gear if you can believe that.

I'm not much of a ballhawk, but remembering being a kid - I've always figured if I ended up with the ball, it would go to the nearest cherub.... if for no other reason than the slim chance I get a pass out of being ground into soylent people.
   3. SoSH U at work Posted: July 23, 2018 at 09:37 PM (#5714564)
I remember a kind fan giving a foul ball to my younger brother -- in Philadelphia, at Veterans Stadium, with both me and my brother wearing Cubs gear if you can believe that.

I'm not much of a ballhawk, but remembering being a kid - I've always figured if I ended up with the ball, it would go to the nearest cherub.... if for no other reason than the slim chance I get a pass out of being ground into soylent people.


Apparently, it did go to the nearest kid.
   4. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: July 23, 2018 at 09:40 PM (#5714567)
I remember a kind fan giving a foul ball to my younger brother -- in Philadelphia, at Veterans Stadium, with both me and my brother wearing Cubs gear if you can believe that.
Yeah, that was actually a handful of vomit. Funny how memory works.
   5. Zonk is a Doppleclapper Posted: July 23, 2018 at 09:48 PM (#5714574)
Apparently, it did go to the nearest kid.


Then I retract my anecdote.

Yeah, that was actually a handful of vomit. Funny how memory works.


Well, they beat us up first... I used to have a sister, too.
   6. there isn't anything to do in buffalo but 57i66135 Posted: July 23, 2018 at 09:51 PM (#5714579)
Yeah, that was actually a handful of vomit. Funny how memory works.
RIP
“I still cry every day about what happened to him,” Clemmens said. “He’s known as the child puker, but he babysat my daughter. He grew up with all these nieces and nephews.”

   7. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: July 23, 2018 at 09:58 PM (#5714591)
RIP
Really Inappropriate Puking?
   8. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: July 24, 2018 at 05:41 AM (#5714676)
I'm glad a bunch of people jumped to this guy's defense, but I don't think the backtracking has reached everyone as quickly.
   9. Fiore Gino Posted: July 24, 2018 at 07:55 AM (#5714689)
I saw the short clip on both social media and on the MLB Network's Quick Pitch. Both only painted him as the villain. I'm glad for his sake he had his sunglasses on and is harder to identify
   10. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: July 24, 2018 at 09:52 AM (#5714739)
Funnily enough, his last name is Bartman.
   11. Man o' Schwar Posted: July 24, 2018 at 10:00 AM (#5714746)
I'm glad a bunch of people jumped to this guy's defense, but I don't think the backtracking has reached everyone as quickly.

It never does. In all these online shaming (and real life shaming) cases that turn out to be false, the damage is done long before any kind of truth of the situation comes out. No one cares about making it right, they only really care about jumping on the bandwagon.
   12. Charles S., looking 4 band-aids instead of dreams Posted: July 24, 2018 at 10:15 AM (#5714757)
I'm a contrarian on this. If you want to give the ball to a kid, hey, go for it, but if I'm giving away a foul ball that I caught, I'm looking for the oldest fan I can find. Maybe some old guy or lady who's been coming to games for half a century and never gotten a ball. That's someone who has earned it, not some punk kid at his second game or something. And this whole thing of calling out fans who hold onto the ball, screw that. The fan might have a kid at home who would love that ball. You don't know his/her life.
   13. SoSH U at work Posted: July 24, 2018 at 10:50 AM (#5714799)
Maybe some old guy or lady who's been coming to games for half a century and never gotten a ball.


How would you know? Would you ask the various fans sitting near you if they'd ever gotten a ball? That seems awkward.
   14. Brian C Posted: July 24, 2018 at 10:51 AM (#5714800)
When I was a kid, I wouldn't have even wanted some rando to give me a ball. To me, the glory of a foul ball was about being lucky and quick enough to get one myself. I guess the best way to put it is that I looked at it like a prie to be won.

Ironically though, now that I'm an adult, the idea of catching a ball doesn't seem like near as big of a deal. If I got one now, I'd probably just give it to some kid.

Still, though, Charles S makes a good point. I don't have kids myself, but my brother is working on making his 3-year-old daughter into a baseball fan. I'm not sure how it's taking to this point, but if she grows up to like baseball, and I get a ball, I'm holding on to it to give to her. I don't give a damn who tries to shame me.
   15. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: July 24, 2018 at 10:55 AM (#5714804)
How would you know? Would you ask the various fans sitting near you if they'd ever gotten a ball? That seems awkward.
Even more awkward would be asking for IDs to verify who is the oldest.
   16. PreservedFish Posted: July 24, 2018 at 11:12 AM (#5714816)
I went to a spring training game once where a ######### grabbed a ball from a kid. In about a minute the entire stadium was chanting a geriatric, zombie-like "GIVE IT BACK! GIVE IT BACK!" Terrifying.
   17. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: July 24, 2018 at 11:47 AM (#5714852)
I went to a spring training game once where a ######### grabbed a ball from a kid. In about a minute the entire stadium was chanting a geriatric, zombie-like "GIVE IT BACK! GIVE IT BACK!" Terrifying.

I was at a Cubs-Mets game in Wrigley back in '87, and a fan in the LF bleachers caught a home run by the Mets' Howard Johnson. Everyone shouted at him to throw it back, and he said #### it and ducked into the concession area below. And then when the 9th inning came around, he was spotted in the lower deck down the first base line, and the chants of "throw it back" became even louder. It was both comical and a bit creepy.

I have no idea how he managed to get from the LF bleachers to the 1st base side lower deck, but this was over 30 years ago and there were fewer than 10,000 fans at the game. And I can't remember whether he finally threw it back, but I doubt if he did.

I've always wondered what would've happened if Barry Bonds had broken Ruth's record by going deep into the Wrigley Field bleachers. Would the Bleacher Bums then have demanded that he give up his six figure windfall and let the Cubs outfielder give it to Bonds for nothing?
   18. SoSH U at work Posted: July 24, 2018 at 11:56 AM (#5714865)
I've always wondered what would've happened if Barry Bonds had broken Ruth's record by going deep into the Wrigley Field bleachers. Would the Bleacher Bums then have demanded that he give up his six figure windfall and let the Cubs outfielder give it to Bonds for nothing?


Every person in the bleachers would have come with a second ball for throwing back onto the field, should the situation arise. Just like many of them do now.
   19. McCoy Posted: July 24, 2018 at 12:09 PM (#5714875)
If you catch a ball you can do anything you want with it. If some bullpen coach or ballboy/girl is trying to toss the ball to a kid and you as a teenager or as an adult reach over and pluck the ball away from the kid you're an arsehole regardless of how many kids you've got back home eagerly awaiting that ball.


In this particular situation I probably would have told the kid in front of me that I'm giving this ball to some other kid as I have already given you a ball. The only mistake it seems he made was a lack of situational awareness. He apparently knew he was going to get a ton of balls that day as he was handing them out like candy so he also should be aware that there were kids around him asking for a ball. He shouldn't become an enemy of the state or anything like that but he made a slight mistake.
   20. Man o' Schwar Posted: July 24, 2018 at 12:15 PM (#5714885)
I've been going to games for 30+ years and never caught a ball. If I catch a ball, I'm keeping it. Sorry kids.
   21. Zonk is a Doppleclapper Posted: July 24, 2018 at 12:24 PM (#5714898)
Every person in the bleachers would have come with a second ball for throwing back onto the field, should the situation arise. Just like many of them do now.


In fact, at least according to ballhawks in the bleachers when I was younger - lots of them did precisely that. BITD, with lighter security, it wasn't all that difficult to sneak a baseball into the game.... they guy who relayed the gambit to a younger me, with my mitt, fretting what I would do should the HR I caught be from the other guys, showed me his extra and in my first lesson of probabilities assured me that should I manage to nab one that came our way, he'd give me a good price on buying his.
   22. geonose Posted: July 24, 2018 at 01:07 PM (#5714942)
@#20 - I can outdo you by 20 years and I'm with you...never caught a ball, always wanted one. And when I was a kid, no one ever gave me a ball. Why should I give mine away if I'm lucky enough to catch one?
   23. SoSH U at work Posted: July 24, 2018 at 01:11 PM (#5714950)
Unless it was some milestone homer ball I could peddle for big dough, I'd give it to someone. To me, the excitement would be in getting a foul ball, not having one.
   24. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: July 24, 2018 at 03:21 PM (#5715105)
I've been going to games for 30+ years and never caught a ball.

Same for my brother and I. But the only NHL game we ever attended, he got a puck that went into the stands.
   25. bfan Posted: July 24, 2018 at 03:27 PM (#5715116)
Unless it was some milestone homer ball I could peddle for big dough, I'd give it to someone. To me, the excitement would be in getting a foul ball, not having one.


Well, then, get out of the way when the ball is coming and give someone else the thrill of getting the foul ball. Taking that thrill and giving them the burdensome left-over (a mere used baseball) seems pretty stingy, to me.
   26. dejarouehg Posted: July 24, 2018 at 03:46 PM (#5715138)
Used to meet up with a buddy at various ballparks during which he went on an 11 straight game run of stadiums (MLB & MiLB) where he got a ball - all of them in BP. During the McGwire days, he got 5 the first day we were there and gave me 2 sympathy balls. The next day I got a McGwire ball and Will Clark ball and happily returned the ones he gave me.

During BP at the 2004 HR Derby, my 7-year old son and I were sitting by the rf line a seat apart, and he was sitting in the row behind but between us. Sammy Sosa hit a ball right at us and he stuck out his big catchers glove between us and grabbed it. I would have bet anything that he would give my kid the ball (when we first met to try working on a financing deal, a player I was friendly with threw a ball to me in the stands and I handed it to him), but after collecting god-knows-how-many-baseballs, he didn't give this one up!

Want a baseball, go to a minor league game in April or May, especially when the weather is questionable. I did this in Binghamton NY and Jackson TN. Just didn't feel like bending down at the Rumble Ponies game but could have grabbed a half-dozen. At the Jackson Generals game, I gave several away. Then I got one where a (10 year old??) kid I'd already given a ball to who had already snagged 3 others (at least) asked me for the ball. Needless to say, I cut him off. Little S**t!

(Ironically, the next day, I went to see the Memphis Cardinals play and got to see Mr. Poncedeleon. That game was also notable for me because I had no idea Jayson Werth was playing Triple AAA ball. I think he retired two weeks later.)
   27. SoSH U at work Posted: July 24, 2018 at 03:57 PM (#5715150)
Well, then, get out of the way when the ball is coming and give someone else the thrill of getting the foul ball. Taking that thrill and giving them the burdensome left-over (a mere used baseball) seems pretty stingy, to me.


That's inane. I'd like to catch a foul ball. I don't care about having it. Why shouldn't I try to catch one just because I'd give it away after I did.
   28. Tubbs is Bobby Grich when he flys off the handle Posted: July 24, 2018 at 04:24 PM (#5715183)
Most of the major league games I went to were at Memorial Stadium when I was elementary school aged. Our seats were about 15-20 rows up, just past the 1st base bag & I remember grown men usually went crazy trying to catch foul balls. In fact,one time two men crashed into the aisle wrestling for a ball and the vendor retrieved a crushed watch that belonged to one of them.

The closest I came to a ball was a Larry Sheets foul liner that hit one of the seats a row in front of me. The foul came in like a guided missile and fortunately the man sitting there was out of his seat or it wouldnt have been pretty
   29. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: July 25, 2018 at 11:18 AM (#5715563)
I get that catching a ball would fun during the game, but for those of you that have acquired a few, what do you do with them? Gaze longingly at them at night while slowly sipping a nice bourbon? Toss them in a closet never again to see the light of day? Meticulously record the player, date, time of day, and game score on the ball then add them to your hopefully growing mantle-piece ball display?
   30. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: July 25, 2018 at 11:42 AM (#5715580)
If you eat them you gain the power of the player who hit them.
   31. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: July 25, 2018 at 11:46 AM (#5715587)
If I ever catch a ball at a game, I'll keep it. If I catch any more after that I'll happily give them away. And if I get shamed on social media I will give no ##### as I'm not on social media and will be completely oblivious to it.
   32. Batman Posted: July 25, 2018 at 12:15 PM (#5715622)
One time in San Diego I caught a batting practice home run that bounced off the building in left field and then off the ass of a 50-ish guy who was trying to get out of the way of it. I gave the baseball to the guy. I don't think he spoke English, but he seemed happy.

I've never caught a ball during a game, but I did keep the first BP ball I caught (well... picked up after it bounced around a little, without hitting anybody's ass) because it was my first one and because Frank Thomas hit it.

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