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Friday, March 01, 2013

William Kashatus: Ignore naysayers - again

Phillies History Live! (for now)

For the last five preseasons, the prognosticators picked the Fightin’s either to win the World Series or go deep into the playoffs. Not this year.

All the baseball annuals predict that the Phillies will finish third in the National League’s Eastern Division behind the favored Washington Nationals and the second-place Atlanta Braves. Not even a wild-card playoff berth in sight. Nor do the experts pull any punches.

One scout writes that “the aging core of Jimmy Rollins, Chase Utley, and Ryan Howard might have less range than a refrigerator showroom.” Another claims that the recent acquisitions of third baseman Michael Young and outfielders Ben Revere and Delmon Young indicate that the front office is “grasping at straws in trying to squeeze every ounce out of that old championship core.”

Others insist that pitching ace Roy Halladay “doesn’t figure to bounce back from his sore right shoulder” and that the “clock is ticking for manager Charlie Manuel,” who could be replaced by third-base coach Ryne Sandberg before the season’s end. In short, the dynasty that never materialized is finished.

Don’t believe it just yet. The Phillies have history on their side.

... Like the 1980 World Champions, the 2013 Phillies have something to prove. If they can stay within a half-dozen games of first place for most of the season and play their best baseball in September, they, too, can find themselves in another World Series.

Let’s just hope that none of the current Phillies read this column.

Repoz Posted: March 01, 2013 at 06:24 AM | 10 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. AROM Posted: March 01, 2013 at 09:55 AM (#4378211)
If you compare this Philly run to the Schmidt-Carlton teams, the current team looks more like 1983. A team that was too old but somehow got the job done. Not that it's likely, but certainly possible.
   2. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: March 01, 2013 at 11:14 AM (#4378269)
This entire column could easily be replaced by this.
   3. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: March 01, 2013 at 11:17 AM (#4378272)
Will any of these people writing "mean poopyheads pick my team to do poorly and they are so stoopid!" going to write "wow, those guys I said were idiots back in March actually were right on point. My team sucked this year" articles?
   4. AROM Posted: March 01, 2013 at 11:39 AM (#4378289)
Never Jose. That's the time for rationalizing. "Nobody could have forseen the freak injuries suffered by X or Y, or that Z suffered through the worst season of his career after his wife ran off with the hot dog vender. If not for those events, which these supposedly smart analysts did NOT predict, the team would have won 10-15 more games and been right in the thick of a pennant race."
   5. There are no words... (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: March 01, 2013 at 04:39 PM (#4378524)
If they can stay within a half-dozen games of first place for most of the season and play their best baseball in September, they, too, can find themselves in another World Series.


Which could be said about any team, in any year, in any city. Really. Even the Astros.
   6. Walt Davis Posted: March 01, 2013 at 05:27 PM (#4378581)
If they can stay within a half-dozen games of first place for most of the season and play their best baseball in September, they, too, can find themselves in another World Series.

This is where the Cubs always go wrong -- they save their best baseball for November.
   7. Steve Treder Posted: March 01, 2013 at 05:36 PM (#4378595)
If they can stay within a half-dozen games of first place for most of the season and play their best baseball in September, they, too, can find themselves in another World Series.

Yes, and here's a good way to make that happen: have the third base coach flash the home run sign more often.
   8. cardsfanboy Posted: March 02, 2013 at 04:19 PM (#4379230)
Will any of these people writing "mean poopyheads pick my team to do poorly and they are so stoopid!" going to write "wow, those guys I said were idiots back in March actually were right on point. My team sucked this year" articles?


I didn't get that vibe from this article. Just that the Phillies "Could" do better than expected. After all the experts were wrong last year about the Phillies, no reason to think they would be right this year.

As a fan of a team, when my team is picked to do poorly (or picked on) I'm going to look for the positives that I can find on the team and look at the negatives and try to rationalize whether the negatives are overstated or easily fixed by what is available/waiting.

Yes if the predictions pan out to be true, I'll be upset at the end of the year, but there I would be more into looking at "what went wrong" over a mea culpa type of thing.
   9. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: March 02, 2013 at 04:35 PM (#4379237)
Kashatus is basically a historian. In addition to political history works, he wrote a great book about Pete Gray, he followed that up with a book about players from Northeast PA in general, he wrote a book about the '64 Phils collapse, he wrote a book about the 1980 team. Phillies-related books have proliferated in the last few years, while I could barely find a couple good ones when they still played at the Vet.

I don't know why publications get him to write things like this.
   10. GGC don't think it can get longer than a novella Posted: March 02, 2013 at 05:12 PM (#4379248)

I don't know why publications get him to write things like this.


Money? I have his book about the Dick Allen Phillies, but IIRC, it was from a university press and he probably didn't make much off of it.

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