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Thursday, December 06, 2012

Winter Meetings Day 4 CHATTER

Last call in Nashville!

Gamingboy Posted: December 06, 2012 at 12:32 AM | 137 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: December 06, 2012 at 10:18 AM (#4318457)
So are Mike Napoli and Shane Victorino really going to be the big names that get moved at the winter meetings this year? Somehow I don't think these meetings will be remembered as earth shattering.
   2. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: December 06, 2012 at 10:21 AM (#4318459)
Schierholtz to the Cubs, Blanton to the Angels and the Mariners pushing hard for Josh Hamilton.
   3. Der-K and the statistical werewolves. Posted: December 06, 2012 at 10:25 AM (#4318464)
The really big names will starting moving in a bit over half an hour - rule 5 time!
   4. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: December 06, 2012 at 10:40 AM (#4318472)
Josh Hamilton to the Mariners would be a puzzler, no? Jon Heyman is also reporting that their are competing with the Indians for Nick Swisher. Seems like the pressure might be on Jack Z this offseason.
   5. Dock Ellis on Acid Posted: December 06, 2012 at 10:44 AM (#4318474)
Here are some of the more notable guys eligible for the Rule 5 draft.

The Astros are expected to take LHP Braulio Lara with their first pick.
   6. jmurph Posted: December 06, 2012 at 10:48 AM (#4318477)
Jon Heyman is also reporting that their are competing with the Indians for Nick Swisher.


I haven't understood a single one of these Indians rumors. What in god's name are they doing?
   7. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: December 06, 2012 at 10:48 AM (#4318478)
Josh Fields might be worth a flier for someone.
   8. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: December 06, 2012 at 10:49 AM (#4318479)
I haven't understood a single one of these Indians rumors. What in god's name are they doing?

Being desperate and not caring who knows it?
   9. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: December 06, 2012 at 10:49 AM (#4318481)
Josh Hamilton to the Mariners would be a puzzler, no?


There was some chatter pre-meetings that the Mariners were ready to be that "other" team that comes out of nowhere to spend money in an off-season and Hamilton was rumored to be on their watchlist.

I was anti-Hamilton when the off-season started because I thought when all was said and done he'd be getting some massive 7/170 type deal. If it's really going to take four years to get him I would offer him 4/100 today and get it done. I'd even go 5 on him, I think more than that is a risk but I think you've got 3 years of certainty (as much as anyone can ever have) and then those next couple of years are likely to be good to very good.

I think the Red Sox and Yankees have spooked everyone. Teams are looking at them and saying \"####, if they are freaking out about long term big money deals we sure as hell can't #### around" and everyone is being too conservative.
   10. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: December 06, 2012 at 10:51 AM (#4318486)
MLB reporting the Yanks have offered Youkilis 1/12 to join up!
   11. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: December 06, 2012 at 10:52 AM (#4318487)
Josh Fields might be worth a flier for someone.


I wasn't real happy to see the Sox leave him unprotected. Frankly I'd have left Wright (the knuckleballer) off the 40 man and gambled that teams weren't confident enough in him. Fields looks like a guy who may have figured it out last year. He was throwing strikes in the minors (small sample size alert). I'll be shocked if he's not taken.
   12. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: December 06, 2012 at 10:53 AM (#4318488)
Seems like the pressure might be on Jack Z this offseason.
I imagine it must be. His first year in Seattle went well (85-77) but the team is collectively 203-283 since then. I think any GM who loses nearly 300 games in three seasons will be--and probably should be--feeling the pressure.
   13. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: December 06, 2012 at 10:54 AM (#4318489)
I'm guessing if Hamilton really signs with Seattle, Texas will do whatever it takes to get Upton from Arizona. Some interesting games of chicken going on right now, I bet.
   14. Wichita Wranglers Baseball Posted: December 06, 2012 at 10:55 AM (#4318490)
D(ayton)-Day for the potential Wil Myers/James Shields swap. Ick.
   15. jmurph Posted: December 06, 2012 at 10:56 AM (#4318493)
I haven't understood a single one of these Indians rumors. What in god's name are they doing?

Being desperate and not caring who knows it?


There are a lot of teams that are worse than them- teams that have much less talent. But I'm not sure which team is more directionless than the Indians of the last few years.
   16. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: December 06, 2012 at 10:57 AM (#4318494)
MLB reporting the Yanks have offered Youkilis 1/12 to join up!
That would be a big test of my root-for-laundry theory. But I could manage it.
   17. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: December 06, 2012 at 10:58 AM (#4318497)
There are a lot of teams that are worse than them- teams that have much less talent. But I'm not sure which team is more directionless than the Indians of the last few years.

Now that the twin albatrosses of Sizemore and Hafner are finally gone the Indians indeed have no identity and are flailing about for something to do with their new freedom. Bill Simmons would make some sexist comparison to a chick you broke up with or something.

"Fausto Carmona" is gone too. All their terrible veterans of last year were one-year deals (Kotchman, Damon, Lowe). What do they do? They have so many open spots and at the same time, they have several good players. Several good young players. Plus Shin-Soo Choo.

I think any GM who loses nearly 300 games in three seasons will be--and probably should be--feeling the pressure.

The Astros need to go to 76-86 to avoid losing 300 games in the 2011-13 period. If that happens the GM will probably fire himself for failing to completely bottom out.
   18. JJ1986 Posted: December 06, 2012 at 11:00 AM (#4318500)
Does anyone have a link to the audio feed from the Rule 5?
   19. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: December 06, 2012 at 11:00 AM (#4318501)
D(ayton)-Day for the potential Wil Myers/James Shields swap. Ick.

Well, no prospect is a sure thing but it's a hell of a gamble for the Royals. AND they'll probably have to throw a sweetener in the deal, too! I don't know, for me, the only way the Royals ever get a transcendent star is if they develop one and I think they should take the chance to see how good Myers really is.
   20. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: December 06, 2012 at 11:01 AM (#4318502)
That would be a big test of my root-for-laundry theory. But I could manage it.

Eh, if I rooted for Reggie and Clemens, I can root for Youkilis.
   21. Honkie Kong Posted: December 06, 2012 at 11:03 AM (#4318505)
Wonder if someone will take a flier on Ryan Buchter out of the braves' system?
Looks like he can be a loogy right now.

Mariners have to go for it right? They have no one ona big contract, so should have oodles of payroll space
   22. Der-K and the statistical werewolves. Posted: December 06, 2012 at 11:03 AM (#4318506)
r5: link
   23. Dock Ellis on Acid Posted: December 06, 2012 at 11:07 AM (#4318515)
Astros take Josh Fields from Red Sox
Cubs take Hector Rondon from Indians
Rockies take Danny Rosenbaum from Nationals
Twins take Ryan Pressly from Red Sox
Indians take Chris McGuinness from Rangers
Marlins take Alfredo Silverio from Dodgers
Red Sox take Jeff Kobernus from Nationals

   24. Der-K and the statistical werewolves. Posted: December 06, 2012 at 11:10 AM (#4318518)
multiple picks by houston and miami - least surprising development evah
15 total
   25. Wichita Wranglers Baseball Posted: December 06, 2012 at 11:12 AM (#4318520)
Well, no prospect is a sure thing but it's a hell of a gamble for the Royals. AND they'll probably have to throw a sweetener in the deal, too! I don't know, for me, the only way the Royals ever get a transcendent star is if they develop one and I think they should take the chance to see how good Myers really is.


Oh I agree completely, and I like Shields quite a bit. I have to plead ignorance on contracts, but Myers' arbitration eligibility is years down the road; swapping an exciting, cost-controlled bat for two years of an admittedly good pitcher so the Royals can be marginally closer to contention seems like a really bad idea. The fact that Frenchy's presence is keeping Myers off the roster is like salt in an open wound.
   26. JJ1986 Posted: December 06, 2012 at 11:13 AM (#4318523)
r5: link


Thanks

Rangers take Coty Woods
Astros take Nate Freiman
Marlins take Braulio Laura.
   27. Honkie Kong Posted: December 06, 2012 at 11:15 AM (#4318525)
The Astros are expected to take LHP Braulio Lara with their first pick.


I would take it for granted that any B.Lara is left handed!
   28. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: December 06, 2012 at 11:16 AM (#4318529)
The Astros need to go to 76-86 to avoid losing 300 games in the 2011-13 period. If that happens the GM will probably fire himself for failing to completely bottom out.
Wow. Even if the Astros are 15 games better next year--they won't be, but you know, for sake of argument--they'd still lose 305 games in the 2011-13 period. That's seriously impressive.

This also made me realize I have not a clue who the Astros' manager is. It appears to be Bo Porter, who was the Nats third base coach the last two seasons. Poor bastard, I wonder if he knows what he's getting himself into.
   29. JJ1986 Posted: December 06, 2012 at 11:18 AM (#4318530)
The Phillies took someone (Ender Inciarte) I have never heard of.
   30. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: December 06, 2012 at 11:18 AM (#4318531)
The fact that Frenchy's presence is keeping Myers off the roster is like salt in an open wound.

Is this really true? I know they say it publicly, but the Royals can't really believe this, no?
   31. PreservedFish Posted: December 06, 2012 at 11:19 AM (#4318532)
The fact that Frenchy's presence is keeping Myers off the roster is like salt in an open wound.


It's like salt in an open wound when bandages and gauze and a sexy nurse to apply them are also within reach.
   32. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: December 06, 2012 at 11:26 AM (#4318538)
Royals fans may be alarmed at the prospect of losing Wil Myers, but should also admit they were worried that he'd follow the path of every other can't miss Royals prospect and require 2000 major-league at-bats to gradually become a passable hitter.
   33. Dock Ellis on Acid Posted: December 06, 2012 at 11:30 AM (#4318541)
It appears that if Michael Young is willing to waive his no-trade, he'll be a Phillie.
   34. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: December 06, 2012 at 11:33 AM (#4318545)
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   35. Wichita Wranglers Baseball Posted: December 06, 2012 at 11:34 AM (#4318547)
Is this really true? I know they say it publicly, but the Royals can't really believe this, no?


I don't know where else Myers could be slotted into the lineup besides right. Reports have been circulating that Dayton was aggressively shopping Frenchy the past few days, and other GM's were aggressively laughing. I'm genuinely surprised he's on the table, as Dayton seems to love him almost as much as he loved Yuni. His Pizza Giveaway Value Over Replacement is through the roof!

It's like salt in an open wound when bandages and gauze and a sexy nurse to apply them are also within reach.


Dayton thought wearing a naughty costume to winter meetings might earn him some leverage in negotiations.
   36. CFBF Is A Golden Spider Duck Posted: December 06, 2012 at 11:36 AM (#4318549)
I wonder if Moore and the Royals' scouts just aren't that high on Myers, for whatever reason. This is a guy who hit the ever-loving crap out of the ball at two high levels and couldn't even earn a September call-up to a crummy team that was playing Jeff Francoeur in right field.

Of course, Moore has long since lost any benefit of the doubt, so I'm not inclined to shrug my shoulders and say, "They are his organization, they probably know best."
   37. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: December 06, 2012 at 11:37 AM (#4318551)
Dayton thought wearing a naughty costume to winter meetings might earn him some leverage in negotiations.
It probably did, but only in the "Ok, ok, we'll make the deal, just please, put some pants on!" sense.
   38. Wichita Wranglers Baseball Posted: December 06, 2012 at 11:39 AM (#4318555)
Royals fans may be alarmed at the prospect of losing Wil Myers, but should also admit they were worried that he'd follow the path of every other can't miss Royals prospect and require 2000 major-league at-bats to gradually become a passable hitter.


That's a fair point. I think the unusually rapid development of Salvador Perez and Alcides Escobar spoiled us last year, though I'm not sure how much credit the Royals can take for developing Escobar. Plus, I don't know how sustainable last year's production was for either of them.
   39. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: December 06, 2012 at 11:46 AM (#4318563)
The Phillies took someone (Ender Inciarte) I have never heard of.


Speedy CF, good base thief, plus defender, plus arm, pretty fair contact hitter, just starting to develop some doubles power. Probably not ready, but could stick as a pinch runner and defensive replacement. Think an A+ version of Michael Bourn, minus half the Ks.

Long-term, I think he's interesting enough to be worth keeping, if they can swing it.
   40. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: December 06, 2012 at 11:49 AM (#4318570)
Astros did really well for themselves today. Fields and Freiman are both a good mix of current value and upside.
   41. Gamingboy Posted: December 06, 2012 at 11:53 AM (#4318575)
Oh, the teaser for the new Star Trek movie is out. Excuse me, my baseball geekery is not enough.
   42. zonk Posted: December 06, 2012 at 11:55 AM (#4318582)
Anyone know much about the Cubs pick, Hector Rondon?

Based on his numbers and what I've just read -- he sounds like the prototypical "crafty lefty" except he's right-handed... good change, seems to throw strikes, looks advanced enough to realistically stick...
   43. Wichita Wranglers Baseball Posted: December 06, 2012 at 12:06 PM (#4318600)
I wonder if Moore and the Royals' scouts just aren't that high on Myers, for whatever reason. This is a guy who hit the ever-loving crap out of the ball at two high levels and couldn't even earn a September call-up to a crummy team that was playing Jeff Francoeur in right field.

Of course, Moore has long since lost any benefit of the doubt, so I'm not inclined to shrug my shoulders and say, "They are his organization, they probably know best."


I try to stay mindful of the fact that I'm not a GM and it's easy to criticize, but Dayton's approach to roster construction is so consistently horrible that I think it evidences a philosophy rather than just fecklessness. Minor-league numbers are always subject to scrutiny, but Myers has so much upside that I have to believe there's something about DM's roster philosophy that prioritizes "veteran charisma" or whatever over actual ability. I was really excited when they drafted Bubba Starling; he's the very definition of homegrown talent. Now, I'm just terrified he's going to get Hochevar'd.
   44. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: December 06, 2012 at 12:07 PM (#4318601)
Anyone know much about the Cubs pick, Hector Rondon?


He throws harder than you're giving him credit for. Or at least he did, before he hurt his elbow - I'm not sure where he's at right now.

I did read that he was throwing in instructs at the end of the year, and looked like he was in pretty good form.
   45. Wichita Wranglers Baseball Posted: December 06, 2012 at 12:09 PM (#4318604)
In non-Royals news, I read that the Diamondbacks are pretty willing to unload Bauer. Does anyone know what soured that relationship so quickly?
   46. zempf Posted: December 06, 2012 at 12:11 PM (#4318607)
I think Rondon was a decent low-level prospect for the Indians a few years ago, but he's had big arm problems. Just looking at bbref, he's only made 13 appearances (41 innings!) since 2009. If he can stay healthy, who knows.
   47. Dock Ellis on Acid Posted: December 06, 2012 at 12:26 PM (#4318634)
In non-Royals news, I read that the Diamondbacks are pretty willing to unload Bauer. Does anyone know what soured that relationship so quickly?

He has his own unique throwing program, which makes him high maintenance. He is also a really smart, inquisitive kid who questions why things are done the way they are done. That may come off to some of the staff as a smart-ass with an attitude problem. Even though the Diamondbacks knew this when they drafted him, it looks like they've since decided he is not worth the trouble.
   48. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: December 06, 2012 at 12:30 PM (#4318641)
Looks like Oakland took a very Moneyball-ish player in the minor league portion of the rule 5--Steve Hill from the Cardinals org.
   49. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: December 06, 2012 at 12:35 PM (#4318648)
he's had big arm problems


TJ, followed by a broken elbow.
   50. Gamingboy Posted: December 06, 2012 at 12:52 PM (#4318675)
Revere is now seemingly on the block as the Twins look for pitching. Any pitching. Any whatsoever.
   51. zonk Posted: December 06, 2012 at 12:56 PM (#4318681)
he's had big arm problems



TJ, followed by a broken elbow.


Heh... well, I guess that would count as "big".
   52. zonk Posted: December 06, 2012 at 12:56 PM (#4318682)
Revere is now seemingly on the block as the Twins look for pitching. Any pitching. Any whatsoever.


Casey Coleman is available.
   53. Bourbon Samurai in Asia Posted: December 06, 2012 at 12:59 PM (#4318688)
Nats lost two guys but I can't imagine either of them will hurt too much.
   54. Bourbon Samurai in Asia Posted: December 06, 2012 at 01:00 PM (#4318691)
How does the minor league portion of the rule v work? They don't need to be in the big leagues. Do they need to stay on the 40 man or something?
   55. Dock Ellis on Acid Posted: December 06, 2012 at 01:00 PM (#4318692)
My co-worker is 8.75 months pregnant with twins. She is from Minnesota and Ben Revere is her favorite player. I've met few fans who adore a player as much as she does him. The Denard Span trade made her sad enough but if Revere is traded before her babies arrive, I don't think I'll have the heart to tell her, for fear of adding to her stress. It may sound like I'm kidding but I'm not.
   56. JJ1986 Posted: December 06, 2012 at 01:02 PM (#4318695)
How does the minor league portion of the rule v work? They don't need to be in the big leagues. Do they need to stay on the 40 man or something?


No rules at all. Just buying players who aren't in the top 78 (there's a 38-man AAA protection list) of their own organization's eligibles.
   57. Der-K and the statistical werewolves. Posted: December 06, 2012 at 01:09 PM (#4318705)
there's also a aa phase (so, the 40 man is protected + the 38 man aaa protection list + the 36 or so man aa protection list) - they cost 4k, instead of the 12k from the aaa phase. it's so hard to find a usable talent in this phase that it had *no* picks this year.

wonder why so many good d third basemen went in the aaa phase this year?

i normally am not big on the actual choices in the big league phase (mind you, this stuff is way more art/fit than science) but i like the early troika of fields, rondon, and silverio this year.
   58. Wichita Wranglers Baseball Posted: December 06, 2012 at 01:16 PM (#4318715)
Hamilton to Seattle picking up steam. I guess it would be interesting to see how his bat plays at Smoak-redesigned Safeco.
   59. Dock Ellis on Acid Posted: December 06, 2012 at 01:17 PM (#4318716)
####. Revere traded.
   60. JJ1986 Posted: December 06, 2012 at 01:17 PM (#4318718)
My co-worker is 8.75 months pregnant with twins. She is from Minnesota and Ben Revere is her favorite player. I've met few fans who adore a player as much as she does him. The Denard Span trade made her sad enough but if Revere is traded before her babies arrive, I don't think I'll have the heart to tell her, for fear of adding to her stress. It may sound like I'm kidding but I'm not.


Revere traded to Philly.
   61. Dock Ellis on Acid Posted: December 06, 2012 at 01:19 PM (#4318720)
I think she should hear it from me.
   62. eddieot Posted: December 06, 2012 at 01:21 PM (#4318724)
Looks like Revere for Worley...
   63. Wichita Wranglers Baseball Posted: December 06, 2012 at 01:22 PM (#4318725)
Dayton Moore has reportedly left the building, but same report says Royals and Rays will keep talking Myers for Shields swap. Let's hope a period of quiet reflection straightens his mind out.
   64. eddieot Posted: December 06, 2012 at 01:23 PM (#4318726)
Vance Worley and Trevor May for Ben Revere
   65. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: December 06, 2012 at 01:26 PM (#4318730)
Who plays CF for the Twins now?
   66. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: December 06, 2012 at 01:30 PM (#4318732)
Ben Revere? I see he has 1064 career PA. Would have guessed about 200. The Twins don't get much publicity these days.

The Phils outfield as of yesterday was Brown, Mayberry, Ruf, and Nix. This was necessary. Hopefully Tyler Cloyd can put up a Vance Worleyish performance.
   67. DA Baracus Posted: December 06, 2012 at 01:31 PM (#4318735)
My co-worker is 8.75 months pregnant with twins. She is from Minnesota


That is a hardcore Twins fan.
   68. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: December 06, 2012 at 01:31 PM (#4318736)
That is a hardcore Twins fan.

Nice.
   69. eddieot Posted: December 06, 2012 at 01:33 PM (#4318739)
Of Ben Revere's 150 hits last year, 19 went for extra bases. Now that's some slappiness.
   70. Davo Dozier Posted: December 06, 2012 at 01:34 PM (#4318740)
Who plays CF for the Twins now?


My brother Darin.
   71. JJ1986 Posted: December 06, 2012 at 01:34 PM (#4318741)
Vance Worley is immediately the Twins ace.
   72. Gamingboy Posted: December 06, 2012 at 01:36 PM (#4318743)
Vance Worley is immediately the Twins ace.


Not if Scott Diamond has anything to say about that!!!

(tries to keep a straight face. Fails.)
   73. Cris E Posted: December 06, 2012 at 01:36 PM (#4318744)
Without looking around for facts, my guess is the Twins will go with a makeshift patch like Darin Mastroianni and hold off on calling up a real solution like Aaron Hicks. The two variations might be that Joe Benson wins the temporary gig in spring training or they find a discarded CF glove free agent before April 1. But it's totally a look toward 2014.
   74. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: December 06, 2012 at 01:37 PM (#4318746)
The Twins are going to trade Justin Morneau to the Yankees and sign Michael Bourn.
   75. Wichita Wranglers Baseball Posted: December 06, 2012 at 01:38 PM (#4318747)
Of Ben Revere's 150 hits last year, 19 went for extra bases. Now that's some slappiness.


True Grit.
   76. AndrewJ Posted: December 06, 2012 at 01:39 PM (#4318748)
Phils still need a third baseman, dammit.
   77. Cris E Posted: December 06, 2012 at 01:43 PM (#4318750)
I like Revere a lot, but the league might have figured him out a little last year, or perhaps he just wore down. Check out his second half numbers: .278/.321/.328/.649 He's a great fielder but his arm is so weak they may want to see if he actually throws left handed.
   78. Dan Posted: December 06, 2012 at 01:43 PM (#4318751)
Who the heck is going to pay Michael Bourne now? Seems like his market is drying up pretty quickly here. Do the Mariners change course now that the demand (and presumably price) for Bourne might be in free fall?
   79. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: December 06, 2012 at 01:44 PM (#4318752)
I like Revere a lot, but the league might have figured him out a little last year, or perhaps he just wore down. Check out his second half numbers: .278/.321/.328/.649 He's a great fielder but his arm is so weak they may want to see if he actually throws left handed.

He's his generation's Rudy Law!
   80. Dock Ellis on Acid Posted: December 06, 2012 at 01:45 PM (#4318754)
Red Sox sign Koji Uehara.
   81. Dan Posted: December 06, 2012 at 01:46 PM (#4318756)
Red Sox sign Koji Uehara.


That's a really random move.
   82. Davo Dozier Posted: December 06, 2012 at 01:49 PM (#4318757)
Who the heck is going to pay Michael Bourne now? Seems like his market is drying up pretty quickly here. Do the Mariners change course now that the demand (and presumably price) for Bourne might be in free fall?
Clearly, the Twins are going to sign him.
   83. DL from MN Posted: December 06, 2012 at 01:54 PM (#4318766)
Gotta give Terry Ryan credit. I never expected him to trade away BOTH centerfielders. Have to believe that Willinham and Morneau are also available.
   84. Dingbat_Charlie Posted: December 06, 2012 at 01:58 PM (#4318770)
Koji going to Boston hurts. I love that guy.
   85. Dan Posted: December 06, 2012 at 01:59 PM (#4318775)
I think Ryan did really well to get that kindof return for a guy who probably won't hit all that well in the majors. His 2012 is probably about as good as he gets, and the average isn't a good bet to stay around .300 IMO with so little hard contact.
   86. Rickey! On a blog from 1998. With the candlestick. Posted: December 06, 2012 at 02:05 PM (#4318784)
At this point is Bourn's most likely destination Atlanta, to play CF and push Upton to LF?
   87. Gamingboy Posted: December 06, 2012 at 02:07 PM (#4318787)

Gotta give Terry Ryan credit. I never expected him to trade away BOTH centerfielders. Have to believe that Willinham and Morneau are also available.


Having Hicks probably a half-season of AAA ball away from playing center helps.
   88. Der-K and the statistical werewolves. Posted: December 06, 2012 at 02:08 PM (#4318790)
I agree, Dan - Worley/May is a nice return.
   89. eddieot Posted: December 06, 2012 at 02:14 PM (#4318797)
Digesting this a little more and I agree Ryan did very well. May was the best arm in the Phils' minor league system and could develop into a horse. He has shaky command and is a flyball pitcher so getting out of Philly can only help him long-term. With Cloyd arriving, Worley was expendable for the Phils. Pressure's on Ruben now to add a power bat, especially if the Young trade happens. Hamilton makes too much sense right?
   90. Ned Garvin: Male Prostitute Posted: December 06, 2012 at 02:26 PM (#4318811)
I feel vindicated, I have been telling everyone that the Mariners should sign Hamilton. They have money, they have young pitchers coming up, but no sign of much offense anywhere. A big LH OF is exactly what they need. It always seemed like the best fit to me. The only problem would be if the price went way too high (salaries are not as high as I expected so far) or if the M's had some problem signing a big FA. MAKE IT HAPPEN, Z.
   91. Davo Dozier Posted: December 06, 2012 at 02:29 PM (#4318815)
As a Twins fan, I'm ecstatic over this Revere trade. We got the better player AND they threw in a prospect.
   92. Cris E Posted: December 06, 2012 at 02:31 PM (#4318819)
I think #89 and #90 going back to back like this is sort of Hamilton's next week in a nutshell. The options are closing in the CF market, Grienke is down to two huge dollar suitors and the big Texan is starting to look almost affordable. A couple more observations like this and he can add that fifth year again...
   93. villageidiom Posted: December 06, 2012 at 02:47 PM (#4318843)
Phils still need a third baseman, dammit.
Youkilis?
   94. Gamingboy Posted: December 06, 2012 at 02:54 PM (#4318847)
MLB Network Radio ?@MLBNetworkRadio

Terry Ryan, Twins General Manager, tells us that they will listen to all offers on Joe Mauer & Justin Morneau. They need pitching


Have to think that Mauer would still require them to get blown the eff away on a deal, simply due to the blowback that would come from the fan base. Even with him not playing up to his contract, he's far and away the most popular Twin and the most talented one.
   95. Cris E Posted: December 06, 2012 at 03:03 PM (#4318858)
The trouble with both those guys is the big money involved means the talent coming back would be pretty minimal. The Twins don't need salary relief, they need talent, so those deals don't make a ton of sense and probably won't be made before the season. I could see Morneau moved at the deadline though. There are doubts about him after the concussion, so letting him play healthy for a few months to build stats and letting the market develop a little would probably increase his trade value.
   96. Gamingboy Posted: December 06, 2012 at 03:17 PM (#4318870)
Apparently the Red Sox offered a deal where they would be willing to pay all of Mauer's salary and where they'd convert him to primarily a 1B, but, like you said Cris, it's not about the money, it's about talent. Any deal with the Red Sox where BOS would be swallowing the contract would be unlikely to bring any big prospects.
   97. DKDC Posted: December 06, 2012 at 03:28 PM (#4318881)
Koji going to Boston hurts. I love that guy.


Total gut-punch. Was one of my favorites when he was with the Os, but I guess I’ll learn to hate him.
   98. Yeaarrgghhhh Posted: December 06, 2012 at 03:32 PM (#4318883)
The orioles should be all over Mauer. Tillman for Mauer and a few million?
   99. Gamingboy Posted: December 06, 2012 at 03:35 PM (#4318886)

The orioles should be all over Mauer. Tillman for Mauer and a few million?


*Cough* Wieters *Cough*
   100. DL from MN Posted: December 06, 2012 at 03:36 PM (#4318889)
There will be no "and a few million". Terry Ryan does not absorb salary in trades.
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