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Wednesday, August 06, 2014

Calcaterra: Wonder of wonders, miracle of miracles: Adam Dunn pitched last night.

Not gonna lie: I’ve seen big bulky relievers with worse-looking mechanics than Dunner here. He was a college quarterback, after all, and football-throwing skills do transfer. Maybe not 100% cleanly after 15 years and a lot of beers and T-bone steaks like Dunn has likely seen come and go, but muscle memory can be pretty useful.

The line, alas, was not so great: one inning pitched, two hits, a walk and an earned run. But (a) he was more effective than the White Sox pitchers who gave the Rangers a 15-0 lead before he came in; and (b) he looked mighty damn fine doing it.

The District Attorney Posted: August 06, 2014 at 10:33 AM | 40 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. boteman is not here 'til October Posted: August 06, 2014 at 12:25 PM (#4765540)
This is all kinds of awesome, and I have no idea why. It just is.
   2. zonk Posted: August 06, 2014 at 12:26 PM (#4765543)
He's just trying to shed the one dimensional label and up his HoF case...
   3. Batman Posted: August 06, 2014 at 12:34 PM (#4765550)
I was hoping for a three-true-outcome inning. Maybe two walks, a HR, and three strikeouts.

Dunn and Eric Surkamp had the same line- one inning, six hitters faced, two hits, one run, one walk, and no strikeouts. Dunn did it in five fewer pitches. Surkamp's season ERA is just over one run better than Dunn's.
   4. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: August 06, 2014 at 01:01 PM (#4765569)
Picked up from Chris Case on one of the Facebook baseball groups...

Most career HR of anyone to pitch in MLB:

714 Babe Ruth
534 Jimmie Foxx
521 Ted Williams
475 Stan Musial
462 Jose Canseco
457 Adam Dunn
   5. bookbook Posted: August 06, 2014 at 01:04 PM (#4765573)
To paraphrase "Bob" on Sesame Street, One of these things is not like the others...
   6. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: August 06, 2014 at 01:21 PM (#4765596)
To paraphrase "Bob" on Sesame Street, One of these things is not like the others...


Musial? He wasn't really all that big, seems like the others were all bigger guys.
   7. Ok, Griffey's Dunn (Nothing Iffey About Griffey) Posted: August 06, 2014 at 01:36 PM (#4765612)
That was fun.
   8. Batman Posted: August 06, 2014 at 01:38 PM (#4765616)
Dave Kingman is next on the list after Dunn. High Pockets Kelly (148 HR) is the next Hall of Famer after Musial.
   9. DL from MN Posted: August 06, 2014 at 01:40 PM (#4765619)
Musial and Ruth both threw LH
   10. DL from MN Posted: August 06, 2014 at 01:42 PM (#4765621)
I've got it - Musial didn't record an out or give up a run.
   11. PreservedFish Posted: August 06, 2014 at 02:02 PM (#4765634)
Jimmie "Foxx" is a fictional player.
   12. Batman Posted: August 06, 2014 at 02:09 PM (#4765641)
Stan Musial is the only one of the group who has never been in bookbook's kitchen.
   13. The District Attorney Posted: August 06, 2014 at 02:17 PM (#4765647)
Stan Musial was the only huge racist!

Canseco is certainly the only one who destroyed his career doing it.
   14. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: August 06, 2014 at 02:23 PM (#4765653)
Babe Ruth, Jimmie Foxx, Ted Williams, Stan Musial and Adam Dunn, combined, don't have the number of followers on Twitter that Jose does.

Obviously, Jose wins.
   15. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: August 06, 2014 at 02:30 PM (#4765660)
Stan Musial is the only one of the group who has never been in bookbook's kitchen.

And Roger Clemens was never at any of their pool parties.
   16. Srul Itza Posted: August 06, 2014 at 02:52 PM (#4765684)
One of these things is not like the others..


Does Canseco fit on that list any better than Dunn?
   17. Canker Soriano Posted: August 06, 2014 at 03:04 PM (#4765696)
This is all kinds of awesome, and I have no idea why. It just is.

It was awesome. Even Hawk and Steve seemed to be having a good time, not always easy given how surly Harrison gets when the Sox are losing.

FWIW, they didn't seem to be hitting the ball hard off of him. The only really hard hit ball in the inning was the fly out to the wall. He gave up a high chopper on the infield for a hit, a walk, and a soft fly that dropped in in left field. If I were a position player getting toward the end of my career like this, I'd probably have pitching an inning on my "to do before retirement" list.
   18. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: August 06, 2014 at 03:12 PM (#4765712)

Does Canseco fit on that list any better than Dunn?


I assume he was referring to Babe's standing as a pitcher compared to the rest, though Double X acquitted himself nicely in multiple appearances.
   19. Cooper Nielson Posted: August 06, 2014 at 03:18 PM (#4765724)
I've got it - Musial didn't record an out or give up a run.

Musial's lone pitching appearance is a neat bit of trivia. First, if you look at the statistical record, you see he has 1 game, and 1 batter faced, but 0's for everything else -- no hits, no walks, no HBP, etc. How can this be? Well, as most of you probably figured out, the lone batter he faced reached on an error.

But I didn't know the rest of the story until recently (from BR Bullpen):

Musial's only big league pitching appearance took place on September 28, 1952. Safely in first place in the batting race, he was called in to pitch for a single batter in the first inning. The opposing batter was Frank Baumholtz of the Chicago Cubs the runner-up in the batting race, who batted from the right side of the plate. Starter Harvey Haddix moved to right field and Hal Rice covered center while Musial pitched. After Baumholtz reached base, Haddix returned to the mound, Rice to left, and Musial to center for the remainder of the game. Later in life, Baumholtz recalled that the play was a hot smash to third that should have been counted as a hit. Nonetheless, Musial captured his sixth NL batting crown with a .336 average.

   20. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: August 06, 2014 at 03:36 PM (#4765747)
A position player throwing an inning in a blowout is a "wonder of wonders" now?
   21. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: August 06, 2014 at 03:51 PM (#4765768)
Musial's only big league pitching appearance took place on September 28, 1952. Safely in first place in the batting race, he was called in to pitch for a single batter in the first inning. The opposing batter was Frank Baumholtz of the Chicago Cubs the runner-up in the batting race, who batted from the right side of the plate. Starter Harvey Haddix moved to right field and Hal Rice covered center while Musial pitched. After Baumholtz reached base, Haddix returned to the mound, Rice to left, and Musial to center for the remainder of the game. Later in life, Baumholtz recalled that the play was a hot smash to third that should have been counted as a hit. Nonetheless, Musial captured his sixth NL batting crown with a .336 average.


Was Musial just big-leaguing Baumholtz? A little 'I'll give you a free hit, doesn't matter, I'm going to win the batting crown anyways' action?
   22. Nasty Nate Posted: August 06, 2014 at 04:04 PM (#4765779)

Was Musial just big-leaguing Baumholtz? A little 'I'll give you a free hit, doesn't matter, I'm going to win the batting crown anyways' action?


Yeah, I don't understand the story.
   23. silhouetted by the sea Posted: August 06, 2014 at 04:39 PM (#4765827)
The boxscore of the one game Ted Williams pitched.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/BOS/BOS194008241.shtml
   24. asinwreck Posted: August 06, 2014 at 04:48 PM (#4765841)

Most career HR of anyone to pitch in MLB:

714 Babe Ruth
534 Jimmie Foxx
521 Ted Williams
475 Stan Musial
462 Jose Canseco
457 Adam Dunn


Once he passes Canseco, it's the inner circle of power pitchers and a ticket for the Hall of Fame!

Was Canseco's pitching career limited to that time he wrecked his arm throwing fastballs or did he have other opportunities?
   25. Jeltzandini Posted: August 06, 2014 at 05:20 PM (#4765875)
Was Canseco's pitching career limited to that time he wrecked his arm throwing fastballs or did he have other opportunities?


That was it.

The Musial game looks like a bit of fun on the last game of the year.
   26. Batman Posted: August 06, 2014 at 05:46 PM (#4765895)
HE BIG-LEAGUED FRANK BAUMHOLTZ, MISTER PRESIDENT
   27. catomi01 Posted: August 06, 2014 at 05:58 PM (#4765906)
Was Canseco's pitching career limited to that time he wrecked his arm throwing fastballs or did he have other opportunities?


He also turned himself into a player-manager-pitcher for a while in the golden state league a few years ago.
   28. Dennis Eclairskey, closer Posted: August 06, 2014 at 06:12 PM (#4765913)
714 Babe Ruth
534 Jimmie Foxx
521 Ted Williams
475 Stan Musial

462 Jose Canseco
457 Adam Dunn
442 Dave Kingman
There is a considerable gap between the top 4 and Canseco, Dunn, & Kingman
   29. bjhanke Posted: August 06, 2014 at 06:50 PM (#4765939)
I looked up Baumholtz on BB-Ref. Stan had an 11-point lead on him for the batting race, so this was just having fun and maybe paying a tribute to Baumholtz, who was having his career year. The incident was one of the trivia questions I kept in my memory when I did some radio in the 1990s. At the time, it was harder to figure out that Stan must have pitched into an error, because even the best sources often didn't keep error details, and the later encyclopedias didn't list Musial in their lists of pitchers at all, because the encyclopedias were running out of space, so they cut anyone who didn't play - or pitch - enough innings. Now, online sources like BB-Ref, who don't have to worry about the size of a physical book, can list everything they have. - Brock Hanke
   30. bjhanke Posted: August 06, 2014 at 07:02 PM (#4765952)
Just for those of you who still do radio call-in, here's another trivia question that I kept in my back pocket. It's the 1905 World Series. The question is "What was unique about the pitching in the 1905 Series?" There are two possible answers, which gives the listeners some sort of chance. The first oddity is that all five games were shutouts. The second answer is that the Giants' pitchers posted an ERA of ZERO for the whole series, despite which, they did lose one game. How? Chief Bender pitched a shutout and Iron Man McGinnity gave up a run in one inning and two in another, but all three runs were unearned, so the team ERA was still zero. - Brock
   31. bobm Posted: August 06, 2014 at 07:37 PM (#4765967)
St Louis Post Dispatch: "One and Dunn: The day Musial played pitcher"

[Photo caption: ] At Sportsman's Park on Sept. 28, 1952, Cubs outfielder Frank Baumholtz swings at the only pitch that Stan Musial threw for the Cardinals in his 22-year-career in St. Louis. The Cardinals catcher is Bill Sarni, and the umpire is Augie Guglielmo. Baumholtz was a lefthanded hitter who switched to the right side for his at-bat against Musial. He grounded the ball to third and reached base on an error. (AP file photo) [...]

[Musial] was putting the finishing brushstrokes on a third consecutive batting title, and the only player with a mathematical sliver of a glimmer of a chance to catch him was Cubs right fielder Frank Baumholtz. Both were in the starting lineup for the final game of the season, and that got Cardinals manager Eddie Stanky scheming.

He intended and he even advertised that Musial would clinch the batting title by facing Baumholtz himself.

Musial came to baseball as a pitcher — a wild, slinging lefty who injured himself and had to leave the mound behind to pick up a bat. That injury cost the Cardinals a minor-league pitcher and launched a Hall of Fame hitter, one of the best of all time. [...]

“I didn’t really want to do it,” Musial told Post-Dispatch staff writer Dan O’Neill in '02. “They wanted to bring some people into the park, knowing I was going to pitch to one hitter. I was leading Frank by five or six points in the batting race. If it had been any closer than that, I wouldn’t have done it.”

Stanky told Musial if he walked the batter he’d be fined $50.
   32. Leroy Kincaid Posted: August 06, 2014 at 08:05 PM (#4765978)
A position player throwing an inning in a blowout is a "wonder of wonders" now?

Miracles ain't what they used to be.
   33. willcarrolldoesnotsuk Posted: August 06, 2014 at 09:29 PM (#4766001)
Well, in fairness, before he stepped on the mound, he was made of bread and wine.
   34. lieiam Posted: August 06, 2014 at 11:41 PM (#4766066)
I'm always a sucker for position players pitching.
And I had to look into his time as a college football QB.... but apparently he never threw a pass in a game (not sure if he played at all).
   35. 6 - 4 - 3 Posted: August 07, 2014 at 01:08 AM (#4766101)
#30: That factoid is not that special, Brock. All the World Series wins played the year before were shutouts too.

#vacuouslytrue
   36. SandyRiver Posted: August 07, 2014 at 09:41 AM (#4766167)
By both sides...
Perhaps more precise to state that no games were played that were not shutouts. Or that the NL pitched a shutout by not playing. Or...
   37. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: August 07, 2014 at 11:41 AM (#4766268)
A position player throwing an inning in a blowout is a "wonder of wonders" now?


It's not that it was "a position player" - it's that it was Dunn, specifically.
   38. bjhanke Posted: August 07, 2014 at 03:22 PM (#4766528)
6-4-3 - Hah! Just for a moment, I thought you'd said that all WS wins before 1905 were shutouts, which I know isn't true. But then I read your comment again. And you're right, if you don't mind dividing by zero. - Brock
   39. Batman Posted: August 07, 2014 at 03:47 PM (#4766579)
6-4-3 divided by zero again. That means the White Sox won the 1994 World Series.
   40. Walt Davis Posted: August 07, 2014 at 09:44 PM (#4766783)
It's also true that in 27 of the 30 seasons from 1980 (my age 18 season) through 2009, I finished in the top 10 for NL Cy Young voting. In 1988, I finished 4th.

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