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Friday, March 01, 2013

World Baseball Classic OMNICHATTER Day 1

Pool B: Taipei vs. Australia, 11:30 PM EST, MLBN and ESPN Deportes
Pool A: Brazil vs. Japan, 5:00 AM EST, MLBN and ESPN Deportes
Pool B: Netherlands vs. Korea, 6:30 AM EST, will be on Tape Delay MLBN and ESPN Deportes later

Chatter up!

Gamingboy Posted: March 01, 2013 at 10:52 AM | 323 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Bug Selig Posted: March 01, 2013 at 12:58 PM (#4378397)
Not everybody at once! Form a line. This will be an orderly chatter. Right? Anyone?
   2. Good cripple hitter Posted: March 01, 2013 at 01:16 PM (#4378409)
Well, I'm really excited about the opportunity to watch Taipei vs Australia. Doyle is on Australia's roster. I'm not sure if he'll be in the starting lineup, but even a blurry shot of him on the bench in a baseball uniform would be exciting for me.

Looking at Sportsnet's TV schedule, I'd be tempted to watch Cuba vs Japan at 5 AM next Wednesday, and the Puerto Rican pool games are all at reasonable hours.

It's semi-meaningful baseball in March, broadcast at bizarre hours. What's not to like?
   3. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: March 01, 2013 at 01:19 PM (#4378412)
I'll be up watching the game tonight. Seems like there would have been some logic in having the defending champs Japan open the tournament in a spot of honor type thing (the way the host nation typically starts the World Cup).
   4. Gamingboy Posted: March 01, 2013 at 01:36 PM (#4378426)
Starters tonight:

Chien-Ming Wang (CT) vs. Chris Oxspring (AUS)
Masahiro Tanaka (JPN) vs. Rafael Fernandes (BRA)
Suk-Min Yoon (KOR) vs. Diegomar Markwell (NED)

Actually, those aren't that bad of match-ups..
   5. cmd600 Posted: March 01, 2013 at 02:02 PM (#4378437)
Chris Perez out 3-4 weeks, team USA will have to dig deep and find a way to fill ~2 IP.
   6. Gamingboy Posted: March 01, 2013 at 02:05 PM (#4378442)

Chris Perez out 3-4 weeks, team USA will have to dig deep and find a way to fill ~2 IP.


Kyle Lohse, your country needs you!
   7. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: March 01, 2013 at 02:12 PM (#4378447)
Kyle Lohse is playing for the Iroquois Confederation team.
   8. cmd600 Posted: March 01, 2013 at 02:20 PM (#4378450)
Serious question though, do they even bother replacing him? I know if I'm GM-ing a team, there's no way in hell I let them take one of my better pitches out of camp this late in the process. Guys are already well into a system to get ready for the season. And with eight other relievers on the roster (most better than Perez), if you end up really needing him, you've done something wrong.
   9. JJ1986 Posted: March 01, 2013 at 02:23 PM (#4378453)
Is Brian Wilson healthy? They could take him and no GM would care.
   10. Gamingboy Posted: March 01, 2013 at 02:37 PM (#4378465)
One thing to note is that there is a list of players (which hasn't been made public this year) of players who have agreed to act as back-ups if somebody gets hurt. For example, I'd read that Chase Headley is on that list in case a slugger or David Wright gets hurt, and that Jamey Carroll is prepared to work as a light-hitting-do-everything-guy if Willie Bloomquist goes down (thus officially confirming that Jamey Carroll is a poor man's Willie Bloomquist). Presumably somebody on that list will replace Perez.

Or, less likely but I guess possible, there's the chance that one of the previous players who turned it down has changed their mind (I seem to have read that Clayton Kershaw regrets how he didn't say yes- although if Kershaw were to join they'd have to make Holland or Gio Gonzalez a long reliever).

Actually, the bigger worry I have is that this Perez injury will make the Indians do everything-short-of-officially-and-publicly-restraining-him to keep Pestano from the WBC.
   11. esseff Posted: March 01, 2013 at 02:37 PM (#4378466)
Just checked out ticket prices for the final at AT&T this month. Sample price: Back of the outfield bleachers (26th row and up) are $94 per ticket plus $21 in tack-on charges for $115 total.

   12. cmd600 Posted: March 01, 2013 at 02:55 PM (#4378485)
Just checked out ticket prices for the final at AT&T this month. Sample price: Back of the outfield bleachers (26th row and up) are $94 per ticket plus $21 in tack-on charges for $115 total.


$70 on stubhub (hint: I've got an extra ticket I'm looking to move)
   13. Gamingboy Posted: March 01, 2013 at 04:29 PM (#4378585)
Morosi is saying J.J. Putz might be the replacement for Perez.
   14. Bourbon Samurai Posted: March 01, 2013 at 05:10 PM (#4378618)
Awesome! I just arrived back to spend a week in the U.S. so I doubt my jet lag will let me stay up but I'll watch 'em on tape delay tomorrow.
   15. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: March 01, 2013 at 07:23 PM (#4378682)
Over/under on how much Brazil gets outscored by in Pool play?
   16. Gamingboy Posted: March 01, 2013 at 08:09 PM (#4378697)
Over/under on how much Brazil gets outscored by in Pool play?



More than Brazil would like but fewer than you'd think.
   17. The Yankee Clapper Posted: March 01, 2013 at 08:39 PM (#4378710)
Chien-Ming Wang (CT) vs. Chris Oxspring (AUS)

Wang is auditioning for a MLB contract. Hope he makes it. It's been a long time since he's been healthy, but he was pretty good once.
   18. RollingWave Posted: March 01, 2013 at 08:40 PM (#4378712)
Over/under on how much Brazil gets outscored by in Pool play?
probably about the same they would outscore those guys if they were playing soccer?
   19. Gamingboy Posted: March 01, 2013 at 08:48 PM (#4378716)
Actually, depending on how badly Brazil beats up on China, there is actually a chance they finish with a positive pythagorean. The real question is: How much will China get outscored in pool play?
   20. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: March 01, 2013 at 08:50 PM (#4378717)
More than Brazil would like but fewer than you'd think.


Yeah, I just looked at their roster, they have a lot more players in pro baseball than I expected. China is really the runt of the litter in that division.
   21. Gamingboy Posted: March 01, 2013 at 09:02 PM (#4378721)
Really, the only reason China is even in this group is because in 2009 they played the game of their lives against a sub-par Chinese Taipei team (the CPBL didn't send all of it's best players due to a dispute between the CPBL and the Taiwanese baseball federation, if memory serves) that had a bad day.
   22. RollingWave Posted: March 01, 2013 at 09:47 PM (#4378746)
China is getting better I think they may not be blew out by Brazil though obviously that depend on the day.

If Wang is you know.. anything close to Wang, Taiwan should do well.

Though it should be noted that interestingly, Taiwan and Korea both played poorly in exhibition games in the last couple of days. so who the hell knows. baseball on a small sample is insanely unpredictable.
   23. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: March 01, 2013 at 10:00 PM (#4378757)
I'm slightly disappointed that Taiwan isn't in the same pool as China, an upset victory by the PRC over the RoC would probably get some play on the state press organs in the mainland and might increase the general population's interest in baseball. Plus, I remember playing basketball in Wudaokuo, some of those kids would be way more suited for other sports.*

*note: so am I, I am horrific at basketball.
   24. Karl from NY Posted: March 01, 2013 at 10:01 PM (#4378760)
Serious question though, do they even bother replacing him?

Sure. You can always find some AAA journeyman or unsigned guy still trying to get a camp invite.

Wonder if Roger Clemens is is in game shape?
   25. Gamingboy Posted: March 01, 2013 at 10:03 PM (#4378762)
MLB Tonight is on. Apparently they will be doing a feature on the 2009 Netherlands team. And everybody loves honkbal.

Okay, different prop bet that nobody is taking: What happens more within the next three of their teams games- Barry Larkin wins or Shane Larkin losses?
   26. Gamingboy Posted: March 01, 2013 at 11:17 PM (#4378785)
Oh, such Honkbal memories.
   27. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: March 01, 2013 at 11:30 PM (#4378792)
I'm going with Shane Larkin losses.

And that piece on 2009 was great. Delmonico was very candid and interesting.
   28. Gamingboy Posted: March 01, 2013 at 11:31 PM (#4378793)
Oh, fancy clockworky opening thingy....
   29. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: March 01, 2013 at 11:32 PM (#4378795)
The thing about it that struck me was the intensity of the Dominican players. The naysayers can voice their opinions on the tournament but watching those guys it's hard to believe it is some kind of meaningless exhibition.
   30. Gamingboy Posted: March 01, 2013 at 11:33 PM (#4378796)
The thing about it that struck me was the intensity of the Dominican players. The naysayers can voice their opinions on the tournament but watching those guys it's hard to believe it is some kind of meaningless exhibition.


Jose, I get the feeling that the naysayers don't actually watch the WBC, so they just assume that their assumptions are reality, when they aren't.
   31. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: March 01, 2013 at 11:36 PM (#4378797)
The American players were definitely in it to win it in 2009, after they took it lightly in 2006. I don't think people get how much playing for ones country matters to a lot of players. We're going to see a lot of players who view this as one of the most important things they'll play in, and that's exactly how it should be. And hopefully when I'm watching the 13th WBC at age 70, I'll be joined in my excitement about this.
   32. Good cripple hitter Posted: March 01, 2013 at 11:37 PM (#4378799)
Yes! Doyle's starting for Australia!
   33. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: March 01, 2013 at 11:39 PM (#4378800)
I like Wang in a game like this. With the pitch count rules he's the kind of guy if he's on could really eat up some innings compared to other starters.
   34. Gamingboy Posted: March 01, 2013 at 11:41 PM (#4378802)
Wang looks good so far, albeit with just two batters so far.
   35. Gamingboy Posted: March 01, 2013 at 11:41 PM (#4378803)
Wait, wait, what? He looked safe to me...
   36. Good cripple hitter Posted: March 01, 2013 at 11:41 PM (#4378804)
Is it just me, or was that a horrible job by the first base umpire?
   37. Fly should without a doubt be number !!!!! Posted: March 01, 2013 at 11:42 PM (#4378805)
What was that?
   38. Fly should without a doubt be number !!!!! Posted: March 01, 2013 at 11:42 PM (#4378806)
That was possibly the worst call I've seen since the perfect game.
   39. Gamingboy Posted: March 01, 2013 at 11:43 PM (#4378807)
This is in Taiwan, so it is entirely possible that a crime syndicate is threatening that ump's family.
   40. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: March 01, 2013 at 11:43 PM (#4378808)
Didn't look even close to me.
   41. Good cripple hitter Posted: March 01, 2013 at 11:45 PM (#4378810)
This is in Taiwan, so it is entirely possible that a crime syndicate is threatening that ump's family.


You know a call is bad when a batter has to be restrained from attacking the umpire by his first base coach in the first inning of the first game of an international tournament.

I love how the broadcast didn't even show a replay or mention that it looked like a bad call.
   42. SM Posted: March 01, 2013 at 11:45 PM (#4378811)
Are they really not going to show any replay of that play at first?
   43. Fly should without a doubt be number !!!!! Posted: March 01, 2013 at 11:46 PM (#4378812)
Small ball!

Also, that's not how I've heard Cheh-Suan Lin's name pronounced.
   44. Fly should without a doubt be number !!!!! Posted: March 01, 2013 at 11:46 PM (#4378814)
They're all in with the Taiwanese flags on the official merchandise. I didn't think that was allowed.
   45. Gamingboy Posted: March 01, 2013 at 11:47 PM (#4378816)

Are they really not going to show any replay of that play at first?


I don't know. It's very much a possibility that this is a pool feed that where the replay isn't available unless whoever is manning the control room decides to use it.
   46. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: March 01, 2013 at 11:47 PM (#4378817)
I'm no expert but the play by play guy seems to have done his homework on the Taiwanese names. He's not hesitating or struggling at all with them. I don't know I'd he actually IS pronouncing them correctly but he has me believing he is.
   47. Fly should without a doubt be number !!!!! Posted: March 01, 2013 at 11:48 PM (#4378818)
Does Taiwan have flocked helmets? Classy.
   48. Fly should without a doubt be number !!!!! Posted: March 01, 2013 at 11:48 PM (#4378819)
They just mentioned the call and are complaining. That's good.
   49. Gamingboy Posted: March 01, 2013 at 11:48 PM (#4378820)
Lance Barksdale is at first? Is he still suffering jet lag?
   50. Fly should without a doubt be number !!!!! Posted: March 01, 2013 at 11:49 PM (#4378821)
This is a pretty nice looking ballpark. I was expecting a dome.
   51. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: March 01, 2013 at 11:50 PM (#4378822)
That was a major league curveball.
   52. Gamingboy Posted: March 01, 2013 at 11:51 PM (#4378825)
This is a pretty nice looking ballpark. I was expecting a dome.


Taichung International Ballpark. It looks nice, I'm liking those retractable shades that can cover people in the upper-deck if it rains but can go back if it's not raining or something.
   53. Gamingboy Posted: March 01, 2013 at 11:53 PM (#4378826)
Yup, he very clearly was safe.
   54. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: March 01, 2013 at 11:53 PM (#4378827)
Doublepost.

The stadium is really nice. What cities would get major league franchises if there was an Asian League? That's obviously crazy, the NBP and KBO would pitch a fit even with several of their franchises becoming MLB teams, and the interleague travel would be brutal even absent the 4th Latin/South American team needed to balance things, but I think there's enough baseball crazy places with high enough incomes to make it doable.
   55. Fly should without a doubt be number !!!!! Posted: March 01, 2013 at 11:53 PM (#4378828)
That was a terrible call. HOWEVER, it was a lot closer than I thought it was.
   56. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: March 01, 2013 at 11:55 PM (#4378829)
vip box is my savior here. one inning and already a blown call
   57. Gamingboy Posted: March 01, 2013 at 11:57 PM (#4378830)
That was a terrible call. HOWEVER, it was a lot closer than I thought it was.


Agreed. Still a very blown call, but not as bad as I thought it was.
   58. RollingWave Posted: March 01, 2013 at 11:58 PM (#4378831)
Chien Ming Wang special there.
   59. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: March 02, 2013 at 12:02 AM (#4378833)
nice pick and throw by the ss ato get that guy out
   60. Gamingboy Posted: March 02, 2013 at 12:03 AM (#4378834)
James Beresford is a Twins farmhand. Probably will be in AAA this year.
   61. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: March 02, 2013 at 12:03 AM (#4378835)
That's a nice little play there by e Aussie shortstop.

Unsurprisingly this early in the spring Oxspring seems to be a bit inconsistent with the curve so far. It seems like it can be a very good pitch though.
   62. RollingWave Posted: March 02, 2013 at 12:06 AM (#4378836)
Kao is a one of those pesky player, overall he's a terrible slap hitter but he seem to have a knack of hitting those hits when it hurts the most
   63. Gamingboy Posted: March 02, 2013 at 12:06 AM (#4378837)
By the way, do you think the Asians hate Moneyball even more than certain people over here do?
   64. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: March 02, 2013 at 12:08 AM (#4378839)
I can't think of a better way to be spending my friday night. worked til 11 and this is my reward!!
   65. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: March 02, 2013 at 12:09 AM (#4378841)
I cant tell if the wind is blowing in or out.
   66. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: March 02, 2013 at 12:10 AM (#4378842)
Straight in with some gusto.
   67. Good cripple hitter Posted: March 02, 2013 at 12:11 AM (#4378843)
In the first inning, the announcers claimed it was blowing in.
   68. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: March 02, 2013 at 12:11 AM (#4378844)
in that case wont be an issue if you leave some pitches up, should just be fly outs
   69. RollingWave Posted: March 02, 2013 at 12:11 AM (#4378845)
We don't hate money ball, we just don't enough pool of players to make use of it.
   70. Gamingboy Posted: March 02, 2013 at 12:12 AM (#4378846)
Wang doesn't have the velocity he used to. Don't think I've seen a single pitch go 90 or above.
   71. Good cripple hitter Posted: March 02, 2013 at 12:13 AM (#4378847)
Man, I forgot that Snelling actually made it to four different teams in the bigs. Apparently he had cups of coffee with the Phillies and the A's.

I cringed when I heard Snelling described as "willing to run through a brick wall". Yeah, that worked out well for him.
   72. Good cripple hitter Posted: March 02, 2013 at 12:14 AM (#4378848)
FOR ##### SAKE! Doyle can't even stay healthy in international competition.
   73. RollingWave Posted: March 02, 2013 at 12:14 AM (#4378849)
Snelling vs Wang, this is so 2006
   74. Gamingboy Posted: March 02, 2013 at 12:15 AM (#4378850)

You were having Snelling face Wang, of course one of them would get hurt.

What's that the Taiwanese crowd is chanting? Is it the whole "Add Fuel" thing that the Chinese chanted back during the '08 Olympics?
   75. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: March 02, 2013 at 12:16 AM (#4378851)
That was a nice stop.
   76. RollingWave Posted: March 02, 2013 at 12:16 AM (#4378852)
Wang doesn't have the velocity he used to. Don't think I've seen a single pitch go 90 or above.


he's still getting DP at a crazy rate though
   77. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: March 02, 2013 at 12:16 AM (#4378853)
Nice 6-4-3!

edited for correct scoring
   78. Gamingboy Posted: March 02, 2013 at 12:16 AM (#4378854)
Jeff Passan ?@JeffPassan

Chris Snelling is Australian for Nick Johnson.
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   79. Good cripple hitter Posted: March 02, 2013 at 12:16 AM (#4378855)
Snelling vs Wang, this is so 2006


Getting upset about an injury to Snelling is also so 2006. I can't believe that he managed to get hurt in one ############# plate appearance. It's like someone cancelled Christmas.
   80. RollingWave Posted: March 02, 2013 at 12:17 AM (#4378856)
What's that the Taiwanese crowd is chanting? Is it the whole "Add Fuel" thing that the Chinese chanted back during the '08 Olympics?
yeah that's what it literally means, though that sort of also means "step on the peddle"
   81. RollingWave Posted: March 02, 2013 at 12:21 AM (#4378860)
Lin's stock really fell didn't he, i thought he probably would have made it to the bigs a couple years big. still, he can run like hell.
   82. Jay Seaver Posted: March 02, 2013 at 12:22 AM (#4378861)
The scoreboard on-screen could really use pitch counts; I figure that could be a big part of the strategy in these early rounds.
   83. Jay Seaver Posted: March 02, 2013 at 12:22 AM (#4378862)
<double post, sorry>
   84. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: March 02, 2013 at 12:23 AM (#4378863)
American baseball would be better with chants. Especially if they replaced the ####### wave.
   85. Gamingboy Posted: March 02, 2013 at 12:24 AM (#4378866)
American baseball would be better with chants. Especially if they replaced the ####### wave.



The only chant I can really think of is "Yankees Suck", and that's not realyl a chant, more like a coordinated yell.
   86. Good cripple hitter Posted: March 02, 2013 at 12:25 AM (#4378867)
The only chant I can really think of is "Yankees Suck", and that's not realyl a chant, more like a coordinated yell.


Does "let's go Blue Jays! clap clap clapclapclap" count? Maybe "M-V-P, M-V-P".
   87. RollingWave Posted: March 02, 2013 at 12:25 AM (#4378868)
another common chant is

"hit , hit , homerun"

or "xxx, xxx, homerun" something like that
   88. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: March 02, 2013 at 12:25 AM (#4378869)
As someone who's taken part in "Yankees Suck" chants in three different cities, I think "yell" makes it sound too civilized.
   89. Gamingboy Posted: March 02, 2013 at 12:26 AM (#4378870)
The only chant I can really think of is "Yankees Suck", and that's not realyl a chant, more like a coordinated yell.



Does "let's go Blue Jays! clap clap clapclapclap" count? Maybe "M-V-P, M-V-P".


Okay, those too, but they all lack the complexity that Asia has. America hasn't had stuff like that since the Royal Rooters of the early 1900s
   90. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: March 02, 2013 at 12:26 AM (#4378871)
I ####### love Asian baseball bat flips.
   91. RollingWave Posted: March 02, 2013 at 12:27 AM (#4378872)
boom, Lin's probably the current best hitter in the CPBL
   92. RollingWave Posted: March 02, 2013 at 12:30 AM (#4378873)
bad mistake but the Aus 1B there, though being righty didn't help.
   93. Gamingboy Posted: March 02, 2013 at 12:31 AM (#4378874)
Getting Oxspring out there is something that only happens in tournaments.
   94. Gamingboy Posted: March 02, 2013 at 12:34 AM (#4378875)
I'm about to make myself ice cream at 12:30 in the morning... BECAUSE I CAN!
   95. RollingWave Posted: March 02, 2013 at 12:34 AM (#4378876)
Zunic's pitching style is very interesting.. we don't see many side winder these days, but Asia is loaded with submariners
   96. RollingWave Posted: March 02, 2013 at 12:36 AM (#4378878)
I ####### love Asian baseball bat flips.
too bad it's a DH rule game, or maybe they could get Hong Chih Kuo there there ;)
   97. Good cripple hitter Posted: March 02, 2013 at 12:36 AM (#4378879)
I'm about to make myself ice cream at 12:30 in the morning... BECAUSE I CAN!


I was about to do the same thing, except replace 'ice cream' with 'frozen chicken burger'. I need something to take my mind off Snelling's Charlie Brown or Sisyphus-like existence.
   98. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: March 02, 2013 at 12:36 AM (#4378880)
WBC and ice cream, GB is living the high life.
   99. RollingWave Posted: March 02, 2013 at 12:40 AM (#4378881)
Wang.. 10 outs.. 6 GB and 1 SO, yeah he's still the same pitcher
   100. Gamingboy Posted: March 02, 2013 at 12:41 AM (#4378882)
For a second I thought that Luke Hughes was going to be called safe as a makeup call.
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