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Friday, October 26, 2012

World Series beer battle: Suds taps give insight into Tigers, Giants fans

While the Fall Classic between the San Francisco Giants and Detroit Tigers pits clubs from two very different cities, the distinctive style and taste of each team’s partisans also pours through the beer taps at their ball yards.

In a trendy, gourmet food-and-drink obsessed place such as San Francisco, a generic “cold beer” at AT&T Park often doesn’t cut the mustard as a companion to the stadium’s pungent garlic fries or a Caribbean-style concoction called the Cha-Cha Bowl. Revelers can choose between 56 different beers inside the waterfront ballpark.

  At Wednesday’s Game 1, hundreds of Giants fans crammed elbow-to-elbow into an adjoining ballpark bar that sells dozens of craft brews ranging from high-octane Belgian Trappist ales to a full suite of city-brewed Anchor Steam concoctions.

“Because San Francisco is such an eclectic city and so diverse, and with all the different foods, people just like selection and they just support local beers,” said Sandie Filipiak, AT&T Park’s director of concessions. “There’s room for a lot, and not every city is that way.”

At Detroit’s Comerica Park, where only a couple of locally made beers are on tap, die-hard Motor City fans are just fine with the unpretentious, established American beer brands.

Detroit is a “blue-collar, domestic beer town” said Bob Thormeier, who oversees food and drink services at the Tigers ballpark. “The younger segment of people are going toward the (craft beer), but a lot of our fans around here grew up on domestic beers. They grew up on your Miller Lights, your Coors Lights, Bud Lights.”

Thanks to scott.

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   1. McCoy Posted: October 26, 2012 at 05:29 PM (#4284554)
Food and alcohol pairings is the biggest scam the devil has ever foisted upon mankind.
   2. GregQ Posted: October 26, 2012 at 05:35 PM (#4284560)
No-some beer is better with hot dogs that have spicy mustard and some beers are better with the mild mustard.
   3. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: October 26, 2012 at 05:36 PM (#4284561)
Interesting that Bob Thornmeier taking the pro-Miller Light view is comparing "craft beers" to "domestic beers". Send that Bell's and Founders stuff back to the country it came from! We drink domestic beers here.

While a micro-brewed, chocolate stout served by hand-pump may be a tad too "San Francisco" for Detroit fans, the Tigers' ballpark does not completely leave craft beer aficionados wanting. Those who look can find about 10 places that sell craft beers, including Atwater, which is brewed at a spot across town, and Galesburg, Mich.-made Bell's.


10 places?!? I think PNC Park has two or three such places. Sounds like the Tigers and Giants fans are not so different.
   4. Tom Nawrocki Posted: October 26, 2012 at 05:56 PM (#4284574)
They grew up on your Miller Lights, your Coors Lights, Bud Lights.


In Detroit, they grew up on your Stroh's.
   5. McCoy Posted: October 26, 2012 at 05:58 PM (#4284577)
No-some beer is better with hot dogs that have spicy mustard and some beers are better with the mild mustard.

That doesn't actually negate my point.
   6. Commissioner Bud Black Beltre Hillman Posted: October 26, 2012 at 06:09 PM (#4284587)
10 places?!? I think PNC Park has two or three such places. Sounds like the Tigers and Giants fans are not so different.
But Detroit is a working class town and SF is bourgie foodie! Don't let facts get in the way of the narrative.
   7. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: October 26, 2012 at 07:55 PM (#4284668)
AT&T has Pabst on tap on the 3B/LF side,....they charge $9 or whatever for a cup, at least they did 5 years ago, I told the guy 'nowhere on earth are they charging more for Pabst, then right here.'
   8. dr. scott Posted: October 26, 2012 at 07:56 PM (#4284669)
The Public House is one of my locals, as its right next to the train I take everyday. In fact I was there last night after the game. I always go there before a game to get a Blind Pig (which contrary to the article is not high octane by IPA standards... its a mild 5.8-6.3%). Most of the bartenders are very knowlegeable and quite cool (and give me local discounts which is nice!!). As for the beer, Id argue not only is it a good selction for a ballpark, they have one of the better beer selections in SF, or any major city. The food oscillates a bit given the prices, but the bratwurst sliders are always excellent.
   9. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: October 26, 2012 at 07:58 PM (#4284670)
Giants fans drink with their pinkies out.
   10. Flynn Posted: October 26, 2012 at 08:25 PM (#4284683)
Anchor's a workinman's beer in San Francisco. It's not effete in the slightest.
   11. Walt Davis Posted: October 26, 2012 at 08:31 PM (#4284686)
Seriously, I could buy Anchor Steam in NC gas stations 10 years ago. They were quite early on the big distribution bandwagon (with Sierra Nevada, Bass, Guiness/Harp and Newcastle).
   12. Flynn Posted: October 26, 2012 at 08:37 PM (#4284690)
I used to go to high school keggers that had kegs of Sierra Nevada. We're not really a town that drinks a lot of crap beer.
   13. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: October 26, 2012 at 08:47 PM (#4284692)
I misread the excerpt at first and thought it said they were selling Belgian Trappist ales inside AT&T Park. That would be something.
   14. madvillain Posted: October 26, 2012 at 08:57 PM (#4284695)
Michigan was one of the pioneering states (and still is) in the craft beer brewing "awakening" that took place in the late 90's early aughts. Larry Bell dropped out of college (he went to my alma mater, the stories of his coke binges and dickish mien are legendary) and created Bells, which is to midwest craft beer what Stone or Rogue is to the PNW craft beer scene.

Detroit today has a number of excellent microbrews. Not saying Detroit isn't a working man's city and SF is a blue-collar haven, just that it's way more complex than this (admittedly half-assed) article would have you believe.
   15. GregQ Posted: October 26, 2012 at 09:09 PM (#4284703)
Stone is a SoCal beer and in my opinion- I live in Portland, better than anything Rouge has to offer. I worked at the Ore Brewers Festival a few years ago pouring Stone and after an hour of explaining to people that I did not work for the brewery after they told me they loved to visit it, I just started telling that next time you are down there if you say Greg sent your from the OBF you will get a free beer. I always wondered if anyone did.

Speaking of Anchor Steam has anyone tried Linden Street Brewery in Oakland? I read a while back that it was making a steam style beer but have not met anyone that has tried it.
   16. madvillain Posted: October 26, 2012 at 09:34 PM (#4284710)
Stone is a SoCal beer and in my opinion- I live in Portland, better than anything Rouge has to offer.


For some reason I assumed Stone was a Portland brewery. I dunno, Rogue's Shakespeare Stout is an excellent, excellent beer imo. Arrogant Bastard is one of my all time favs too. They both make good beers.

Most over-rated brewery in the west is probably either Red Hook or New Holland imo. Red Hook is now owned partly by the Bud conglomerate and makes palable, average craft beer. New Holland just tries too hard with the lips of faith series. I mean, for 10 dollars for a 22oz, they are quite hit or miss.

Best brewery out here? Russian River of course!
   17. McCoy Posted: October 26, 2012 at 09:43 PM (#4284714)
I like several of Anderson Valley's stuff.
   18. Tuque Posted: October 26, 2012 at 09:52 PM (#4284720)
Stone is better than Rogue? I think not. Stone has some good stuff, but so does Rogue. They're both good, just different.

Rogue's richer, maltier stuff is their strong point. Dead Guy, Hazelnut Brown, their stouts, red ale, the Morimoto ales. Their Brutal IPA is damn good, but they can't seem to (or don't want to) capture the awesome hop profiles of the great West Coast IPAs like Russian River's or Boneyard's or Firestone's.

I like Oaked Arrogant Bastard, the Belgian IPA, etc. Their IPA is good but (and I might get in trouble here but) I don't think it comes anywhere near either of Russian River's (or Boneyard's for that matter). Stone does some great stuff, and they were pivotal in the craft beer movement, but their obsession with high-alcohol super-hoppy/rich/alcoholic beers can grate sometimes. I understand that was a big kick in the nuts when the craft beer movement began but I also like breweries like Rogue that embrace subtlety at the risk of going over the heads of some BeerAdvocate types.

Russian River is still the best brewery in the world though. God damn.

I do like Anderson Valley as well. They do a nice job with some lighter, more subtle stuff, like the Boont Amber or the Poleeko Gold. And their IPA is different but good.
   19. GregQ Posted: October 26, 2012 at 10:17 PM (#4284725)
I think Rouge has lost its edge as it has gotten bigger. I really like a lot of their beers it is just that it seems when I am at the brewery I am often disappointed now. I would say that Pliny is one of my favorites but I always wonder if they need it to be small batch? At the Hood River Fresh Hops Festival a few weeks back I had a beer from a new brewery called Solera (or new to me) that had a beer that was almost as good as Pliny.
   20. dr. scott Posted: October 26, 2012 at 11:04 PM (#4284731)
I misread the excerpt at first and thought it said they were selling Belgian Trappist ales inside AT&T Park. That would be something.


Well Public house is not inside AT&T park. But its part of the building, and they allow in and out privileges with beer. So yes, in the 3rd inning you could leave your seat and come back with a plastic cup of Trappist beer. or you could start at he public house and take two plastic cups of Trappist beer to your seat in time for he start of the game. I assume, but have nevere tested, that they stop beer going into the stadium he same time they stop sellin it in the stadium.

In fact I'm on the train heading home from work and will meet a friend there for some beers.

As for Rouge, I live a block from the tap house in SF. I almost never go there because he food is so bad. The beer is pretty good with some excellent brews and the have a very good guest beer,S but in addition to bad food the management in portland(?) is a little crazy and fired our favorite managers and bartenders.
   21. Howling John Shade Posted: October 26, 2012 at 11:12 PM (#4284735)
I would say that Pliny is one of my favorites but I always wonder if they need it to be small batch?
Have you had Pliny the Younger? Hard to find, but really good. I'll also put in a word for Lagunitas. I really like their Little Sumpin' Wild. You can do a nice day of beer tasting north of SF these days, hit up Lagunitas and then Russian River and then Anderson Valley. You just have to find a pregnant friend or a mormon to drive.
   22. dr. scott Posted: October 26, 2012 at 11:25 PM (#4284738)
My wife and I just bike to the breweries north of SF. Good times. From SF you can do a 50 mile ride including Iron springs and MBC and back to SF for 21st Amendment and Magnola. When they open the train from Larkspur to Santa rosa.... It will be Sunday at Rusian River a lot!!! $3 beers all day. Love them.

For now we drive to Santa Rosa then bike to RR, bear republic, Lagunitas and a couple more over the weekend. Good stuff.

At the moment having a St peters Winter Ale on the Train to SF.
   23. rlc Posted: October 26, 2012 at 11:57 PM (#4284751)

They grew up on your Miller Lights, your Coors Lights, Bud Lights.


In Detroit, they grew up on your Stroh's.


Betcher fire-brewed ass they did.
   24. Into the Void Posted: October 27, 2012 at 12:06 AM (#4284754)
How dare the people of San Francisco drink good beer! This article also has the obvious homophobic comment section to help the author get his point across. Though I'm sure CBS can't afford to hire someone to moderate their comment section.
   25. PerroX Posted: October 27, 2012 at 12:28 AM (#4284758)
Bell's has a superb lineup -- my favorite is Oberon -- but the Atwater is nothing special. My favorite SF beer is 21st Century's Back In Black.
   26. Commissioner Bud Black Beltre Hillman Posted: October 27, 2012 at 01:21 AM (#4284771)
Speaking of Anchor Steam has anyone tried Linden Street Brewery in Oakland? I read a while back that it was making a steam style beer but have not met anyone that has tried it.
The Common Lager -- it's excellent. Really nice to see west coast brewers try something lighter and balanced, rather than extra-hoppy. They also do a red that gets featured more often, but you can find the Common Lager at Make Westing and Penelope in Oakland, and a couple places I can't remember. I'd also highly recommend keeping an eye out for Dying Vines -- they work out of Linden St's space and do English style ales and English/Cali mashups (the "Hop Candi" is an excellent mild IPA); their stuff is at Commonwealth and occasionally Beer Revolution.
   27. Howling John Shade Posted: October 27, 2012 at 03:01 AM (#4284794)
I'd also highly recommend keeping an eye out for Dying Vines -- they work out of Linden St's space and do English style ales and English/Cali mashups (the "Hop Candi" is an excellent mild IPA); their stuff is at Commonwealth and occasionally Beer Revolution.


That sounds good. There's also a San Jose(?) brewery whose name I'm blanking on atm that does CA/German mashups. I had their Cali Kolsch and enjoyed it.
   28. BDC Posted: October 27, 2012 at 09:29 AM (#4284830)
So you can get 56 different beers in the Giants' park, and there are 10 craft-beer concession stands in the Tigers'. By contrast, Arlington is a beer desert. There is one stand that has Texas beer, and two bars on the second level that do (one of which is frequently closed for a private party; sometimes both are closed if attendance is low). There are a couple of stands that sell ShockTop or ZiegenBock. Both are Anheuser-Busch beers; I've never had ShockTop so need advice on it; ZiegenBock isn't half bad.

Basically, I can get a couple of kinds of Rahr's beer (from Ft Worth) and a couple of kinds of St Arnold's (from Houston), and there is one tap of Franconia Blonde (from McKinney, TX) in one of the often-closed bars. The good news is that there isn't a lot of demand for these beers, so lines are short, even at sellout games. But that doesn't augur well for expanding the local/craft offerings here. I was sitting at one of the upstairs bars before the "play-in" game drowning my sorrows in advance when a couple strode up to the bar and loudly demanded a Coors Light. They were shown the taps of Rahr's and St Arnolds and told they were out of luck, and the indignation was palpable. One thing I've seen many Coors drinkers object to is that Coors costs ~$7 and the local beers cost ~$9. But that's for 16 oz. of Coors as against 22 or 24 ounces of the locals. Math is not big around here either.
   29. Tom Nawrocki Posted: October 27, 2012 at 10:25 AM (#4284850)
Do they sell Shiner Bock in Arlington? That's all I drink when I'm in Texas.
   30. GregQ Posted: October 27, 2012 at 10:57 AM (#4284861)
Thanks-That is interesting about Linden St. I will have to try it next time I am down in the Bay Area. I do not think I have even heard of Pliny the Younger- what style is it. I love Langunitas- particularly because of this http://tinyurl.com/bjazyf. There are really so many good beers out there. I am a bit tired of over hopped beers, it part because aside from a hoodie and a three day beard enjoying them is almost required to live in Portland- that or drink PBR.
   31. GregQ Posted: October 27, 2012 at 11:15 AM (#4284866)
And since we are talking beer- here is the plot to destroy American Beer-http://tinyurl.com/ccnee73
   32. McCoy Posted: October 27, 2012 at 11:18 AM (#4284867)
Hosting a 41 vendor wine tasting this afternoon. Chateau Montelina looks to be the one I'll birddog.
   33. GregQ Posted: October 27, 2012 at 11:30 AM (#4284877)
41 Vendors, Wow- How many total wines? A friend was just down in Laguna Beach and said he stopped at a place that had Chateau Montelina for $22 a glass
   34. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: October 27, 2012 at 11:40 AM (#4284882)
Speaking of beers, is there any reliable guide to the IBU ratings of craft beers? I've noticed Miller(?) has started putting it on their labels, but they are the only ones. I don't like bitter beer, my preferences are weizens that are around 10-20 on the scale. I would like to find more beers that I would like, but most beers are much more bitter and it is not easy to divine which I might like. The only guides I have found online that discuss IBU ratings seem to be posted by people who are looking for the bitterest beers possible, not the reverse. Does anyone know of a definitive source for this info?
   35. McCoy Posted: October 27, 2012 at 11:42 AM (#4284884)
200 to 250 wines.
   36. BDC Posted: October 27, 2012 at 11:55 AM (#4284891)
Do they sell Shiner Bock in Arlington?

They sure do – at the Beers of Texas venues, and at a few other stands, in 12 oz. bottles. A more than acceptable beer; Ziegenbock is a knockoff (though as I say, not a bad one). I should have included Shiner, though I prefer draft beer, so I don't usually get it at the Ballpark. Shiner has a whole range of beers, including Black and Blonde and the new Wild Hare Pale Ale, very nice too.
   37. GregQ Posted: October 27, 2012 at 12:25 PM (#4284915)
200-250- That is a whole lot of spitting!
   38. dr. scott Posted: October 27, 2012 at 12:25 PM (#4284916)
Pliny the younger is a triple IPA. When it's on it's quite good, but in general it's not my favorite style. Linden St is quite good, as is Dying vines. As mentioned both of these places are fantastic as they are making very tasty 4-5% beers going against the mega ABV and IBU crazy that swept though California ove the past 10 years. Also Drakes in San LeAndro is quit good, as is Triple Rock in Berkeley if Roger is still there. Roger is starting his own brewery soon, so not sure if he's still at Triple Rock, but he really turned that place around ( with the help of a great restaurant manager that made sure his staff was very beer and food savvy).

Bob, Shock Top is Buschs answer to blue moon... A Belgian Wit style beer which is a close cousin to the Heffewiezen. I'm not a big fan of the style, but I particularly dislike these takes on it. Oddly the best Belgian Wit style beer I had was the Italian beer Friska. That's good stuff.
   39. dr. scott Posted: October 27, 2012 at 12:31 PM (#4284920)
Food and alcohol pairings is the biggest scam the devil has ever foisted upon mankind.


Yea, I know what you mean, there is nothing I hate more than good alcohol and good food being served to me by a knowledgable chef and brewer. Such a pain.
   40. MM1f Posted: October 27, 2012 at 01:47 PM (#4284961)
Michigan has some really interesting, avant-garde breweries. Bell's and Founders everyone knows about but there is also the great Jolly Pumpkin, whose portfolio consists exclusively of odd Belgian styles like oak-aged sour reds and funky farmhouse ales; Shorts, who makes odd stuff like PBJ inspired beer; Dark Horse, whose dark, unfiltered Crooked Tree IPA is far from West Coast but so delicous and Kuhenhenn, known for their powerful Eisbock.

Michigan's brewing scene is arguably more creative and "out there" than the Bay Area's.
   41. BDC Posted: October 27, 2012 at 02:09 PM (#4284968)
Shock Top is Buschs answer to blue moon... A Belgian Wit style beer

For a brief moment you could get Hoegaarden on tap at the Ballpark, but it was pretty awful; hadn't been kept properly. And like you, I don't prefer that style of beer. Probably the best I've had is Ommegang Witte, in New York. Bavarian Weissbier, a somewhat different thing, I do like very much, at least if I'm in Bavaria. I think I just like local beer wherever I am, and I've never been to Belgium … anyway, I think I'll avoid Shock Top.
   42. dr. scott Posted: October 27, 2012 at 02:13 PM (#4284973)
Joly Pumpkin is pretty well known out here, and I've had it on tap a few times at the public house. I never see Founders though. I've not heard of Dark Horse, I'll have to try to find some. There are plenty of "out there" brewers here as well, but in general we get very few of the smaller Michigan or east Coast craft brews out here, as it's a hard Market to penetrate.

I have a couple of bets with my fried from Detroit. I lost the A's bet, so I'm sending him a sour beer from Rusian River, and if the Giants win he's sending me a sour from Founders. Anyone have a recommendation on what I should request? He will most likely get Suplication....

shoot I may hit the store and get one for myself for the game.
   43. McCoy Posted: October 27, 2012 at 02:37 PM (#4284981)
Yea, I know what you mean, there is nothing I hate more than good alcohol and good food being served to me by a knowledgable chef and brewer. Such a pain.

That's not what I meant.
   44. GregQ Posted: October 27, 2012 at 03:17 PM (#4285021)
I used to love Hoegaarden and then a few weeks ago a friend brought back its Rose beer from Belgium- one of the worst beers I have ever had. Now when I look at one it reminds me of that beer

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