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World Series Game 3 OMNICHATTER! for October 27, 2017

LA Podcasting Hombre of Anaheim Posted: October 27, 2017 at 01:01 PM | 275 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. LA Podcasting Hombre of Anaheim Posted: October 27, 2017 at 01:02 PM (#5563586)
HOW WILL A STARTER GET PULLED IN THE THIRD INNING TODAY?!
   2. bunyon Posted: October 27, 2017 at 03:20 PM (#5563772)
I was thinking, with all this early pulling of pitchers, that, in NL games, if the visiting team has a good hitting pitcher (or at least a pitcher that is a better hitter than that day's starter), they should be in the lineup in the event the team bats all the way to the pitcher's spot. If, as will usually be the case, the pitcher's spot doesn't come in, you just replace him with the guy you intended to use as that day's starter.
   3. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: October 27, 2017 at 03:35 PM (#5563785)
I was thinking, with all this early pulling of pitchers, that, in NL games, if the visiting team has a good hitting pitcher (or at least a pitcher that is a better hitter than that day's starter), they should be in the lineup in the event the team bats all the way to the pitcher's spot. If, as will usually be the case, the pitcher's spot doesn't come in, you just replace him with the guy you intended to use as that day's starter.

Yeah, but then you've burned that pitcher, and what happens when it's the 6th inning and you've already used 11 pitchers? That strategy would only work if a pitcher who absolutely would not pitch in that game, like the previous day's starter or something, happened to be a better hitter than that day's starter.
   4. Baldrick Posted: October 27, 2017 at 03:37 PM (#5563789)
Yeah, but then you've burned that pitcher, and what happens when it's the 6th inning and you've already used 11 pitchers? That strategy would only work if a pitcher who absolutely would not pitch in that game, like the previous day's starter or something, happened to be a better hitter than that day's starter.

I mean, in the playoffs there are probably only one or two guys that are genuinely not available to pitch under any circumstances. But during the regular season, there are three or four.

I assume if teams started trying to do this, there would be a rule change of some kind to prevent. Right?
   5. bunyon Posted: October 27, 2017 at 04:03 PM (#5563808)
Yeah, but then you've burned that pitcher, and what happens when it's the 6th inning and you've already used 11 pitchers? That strategy would only work if a pitcher who absolutely would not pitch in that game, like the previous day's starter or something, happened to be a better hitter than that day's starter.

I was assuming it would be a starter. Relievers are generally even worse hitters than starters. So burning them wouldn't be a big deal. So, yeah, that guy would be burned but it would be a situation in which he wasn't going to pitch anyway. I think I recall reading a story of a manager who did this with a reliever just to make sure he wouldn't be tempted later in the game. But I can't find that story, if it happened.

And this situation wouldn't come up more than once or twice a season.
   6. Laser Man Posted: October 27, 2017 at 04:54 PM (#5563847)
MLB Rule 5.10(f) states that the starting pitcher in the lineup must pitch to the first batter until that batter is put out or reaches base (unless he is too injured or ill to pitch, in the umpire-in-chief's judgement).

MLB Rulebook 2017
   7. bunyon Posted: October 27, 2017 at 04:58 PM (#5563850)
#6: I guess someone thought of this gambit way back in time. Thanks for digging that up. I didn't even think to check it.
   8. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: October 27, 2017 at 05:12 PM (#5563859)
#6: I guess someone thought of this gambit way back in time.

Now that I think about it, yeah, wasn't there someone who would announce a LHP as the starter, but then switch to a RHP, or vice versa? I think that's what the rule would have been designed to prevent, no?
   9. flournoy Posted: October 27, 2017 at 05:14 PM (#5563862)
The idea has already been ruled out by what Laser Man posted, but I think the only scenario in which those kind of shenanigans might be worth it is if you had a legitimately good hitting pitcher you could use (someone like Mike Hampton). Doing crazy stuff such that in the 1% of times where that spot in the order would even be reached, you'd have a guy who gets a hit 14% of the time instead of a guy who gets a hit 10% of the time seems silly.

But if you had a Mike Hampton-type, you'd presumably much rather keep him around so that you could use him as a pinch hitter after you've run out of position players.
   10. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: October 27, 2017 at 05:50 PM (#5563884)
Here's some retro second guessing to ponder before deciding which manager to fire after tonight:

Second-Guessers’ Paradise:Dissecting the Ninth Inning of the Seventh Game of the 1962 World Series

Today’s managers, coaches, and players regularly have their game-time decisions scrutinized. As Bill Felber explains, this wasn’t always the case. The ninth inning of Game 7 in the 1962 World Series featured a virtually continuous string of decisive moments, which the media did not second guess.

If the ninth inning of the seventh game of the 1962 World Series unfolded today, it would be the most widely second-guessed amalgam of decisions in sports history. The fascinating aspect of that decisive inning is that at the time it was played, it generated little public second-guessing at all.

Perhaps we were a more deferential, less opinionated fan base back then. Certainly our access to analytical data has improved. But this much was known then and remains true today: The ninth inning of Game 7 in 1962 is the only time in World Series history when the fates of both teams rose or fell directly on the outcome of the final play.

For retrospective second guessers, the inning is a veritable trove of choices, each of them carrying the additional gravity of being decisive in the outcome of the World Series. Pitching changes or non-changes, intentional walks, sacrifices, runner advances—all of these most sensitive issues that delight and vex armchair managers—coalesced into the New York Yankees’ 1–0 victory over the San Francisco Giants....


Details within the article. Have fun.
   11. dejarouehg Posted: October 27, 2017 at 05:58 PM (#5563889)
MLB Rule 5.10(f) states that the starting pitcher in the lineup must pitch to the first batter until that batter is put out or reaches base (unless he is too injured or ill to pitch, in the umpire-in-chief's judgement).


Came close to seeing this in 2016 - Cubs @ Phillies - Phillies starter Vince Velzquez threw a couple of pitches and was gone.
   12. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: October 27, 2017 at 06:26 PM (#5563899)
I was thinking this was caused by Earl Weaver, but it was a somewhat related rule that he changed. He caused 6.10(b) to include:

The designated hitter named in the starting lineup must come to bat at least one time, unless the opposing club changes pitchers.


Good article about it:

https://prestonjg.wordpress.com/2009/09/07/how-earl-weaver-changed-the-dh-rule/
   13. Baldrick Posted: October 27, 2017 at 07:04 PM (#5563910)
MLB Rule 5.10(f) states that the starting pitcher in the lineup must pitch to the first batter until that batter is put out or reaches base (unless he is too injured or ill to pitch, in the umpire-in-chief's judgement).

One of my favorite things about baseball is the way that the rule book seems to have already been amended to address every random little thing we can possibly imagine.

I had no idea this was already a rule. But of course it is!
   14. Bote Man Posted: October 27, 2017 at 07:26 PM (#5563914)
25 man roster - 8 position players = 17 pitchers.

Plenty of roster space for more pitchers.

QED
   15. Bote Man Posted: October 27, 2017 at 07:41 PM (#5563918)
Quoting everybody's new favorite, Alex Rodriguez:

In a short series you've gotta go with the hot hand.


I've lost count of how many times that idea has been slammed by knowledgeable fans: you've gotta stick with the guys who are good, but slumping, because you never know when they might recover.

Discuss.

Note: I warmed up the old Admiral and hooked up the aerial to it and I'm getting good signals. Beats having Chrome freeze up MLB.tv right as the pitch is delivered and then fast-forwarding to the hitter scratching his nuts.
   16. Tim D Posted: October 27, 2017 at 07:52 PM (#5563923)
"In a short series you've gotta go with the hot hand"

Or, in the playoffs all that matters is starting pitching, or you don't want to play that team with three good starters, or that team only has to have the lead after 5 innings cuz their bullpen is so good. All of that horsebleep.

Playoffs are small sample size. Small sample size can be very nearly random. A great player can make a terrible play that turns a game and a series. A nobody can hit 3 HRs (Keke Hernandez take a bow). It's luck. Play the percentages and pray.
   17. Lassus Posted: October 27, 2017 at 08:01 PM (#5563927)
I just stopped while driving my car, picked up a lost dog wandering half a mile from my house, took 45 minutes to detective him to his owner while walking around the neighborhood, and made it back for first pitch, because I am goddamned awesome.
   18. Bote Man Posted: October 27, 2017 at 08:09 PM (#5563931)
Be sure to kneel. Or stand. I forget which, unless this is G.B.A. in which case you should kneel, genuflect, place your hands in prayer position, and bow your head while thinking about our mighty military.
   19. Lassus Posted: October 27, 2017 at 08:10 PM (#5563932)
At least she pronounced "perilous" right. Not in favor of the style, but her pitch has been better than anyone else's so far.

Nice eagle.
   20. Tim D Posted: October 27, 2017 at 08:11 PM (#5563933)
"Details within the article. Have fun."

A good article. A couple of the stratagems employed, the sac bunt and leaving the SP in were much more universally accepted in 1962 than today. Not surprising nobody made an issue of either. If George Kell thought Alou wouldn't have made it, I'd be hard-pressed to disagree. I grew up on George Kell doing the TV games for the Tigers, and while he was corny and very old-school, he had a keen eye. But it begs the question of why it took Alou so long to get to 3B. Maybe he forgot there were 2 outs? I don't know, but it might have cost the Giants a championship.
   21. Tony S Posted: October 27, 2017 at 08:16 PM (#5563934)
JJ Watt is a great player and great guy, but if it had been up to me, I would have had J.R. Richard throwing out that first pitch.
   22. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: October 27, 2017 at 08:21 PM (#5563937)
We might see 100 curve balls tonight.
   23. Lassus Posted: October 27, 2017 at 08:24 PM (#5563938)
Fun play there by Altuve.
   24. Baldrick Posted: October 27, 2017 at 08:25 PM (#5563939)
Kealia Ohai sighting! Goes completely unmentioned by the announcers, of course. Sigh.
   25. Nero Wolfe, Indeed Posted: October 27, 2017 at 08:27 PM (#5563940)
God, Houston is just a fun team to watch.
   26. Tony S Posted: October 27, 2017 at 08:27 PM (#5563942)
Nice catch by Springer there.
   27. Baldrick Posted: October 27, 2017 at 08:28 PM (#5563944)
I truly love watching the World Series and genuinely feeling like I'm 50/50 on my rooting interests. All I want is fun, exciting plays and good performances. I cheered when Turner hit the ball and then cheered when Springer caught it.
   28. Bote Man Posted: October 27, 2017 at 08:29 PM (#5563946)
but if it had been up to me, I would have had J.R. Richard throwing out that first pitch.

Who shot J.R.???
   29. Bote Man Posted: October 27, 2017 at 08:32 PM (#5563948)
About 80% of the time Springer looks like a deer in the headlights.
   30. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: October 27, 2017 at 08:33 PM (#5563950)
Yup, I had the same enjoyment watching Royals v Mets, but that's about it in the past decade or so. every other year, it has been easy for me to identify the villainous club or clubs as the case has been a couple times.
   31. Tony S Posted: October 27, 2017 at 08:41 PM (#5563952)
That Correa grounder seemed a lot harder hit from the center field camera.
   32. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: October 27, 2017 at 08:43 PM (#5563954)
Marlin Man needs to mix it up a little. He's blending in tonight.
   33. Bote Man Posted: October 27, 2017 at 08:44 PM (#5563955)
Maybe I'm just noticing it more with all the focus on increased Ks and HRs, but so many swings are just absolutely violent.
   34. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: October 27, 2017 at 08:50 PM (#5563958)
Maybe Jeromy Burnitz was simply ahead of his time.
   35. Baldrick Posted: October 27, 2017 at 08:53 PM (#5563959)
That was NOT a cheap home run. Yowzer.
   36. Tin Angel Posted: October 27, 2017 at 08:53 PM (#5563960)
We need less Yasiel Puig's and more Brian McCann's as far as I'm concerned
   37. Hey - you and Tommy Lasorda...I hate Tommy Lasorda Posted: October 27, 2017 at 08:53 PM (#5563962)
Who shot J.R.???


I believe it was Kristen Shepard - Sue Ellen’s sister.
   38. dog poop god Posted: October 27, 2017 at 08:55 PM (#5563963)
Had no idea Gurriel was 33.
   39. Hey - you and Tommy Lasorda...I hate Tommy Lasorda Posted: October 27, 2017 at 09:00 PM (#5563965)
Looking like the Dodger pen is going to get the chance to make amends for G2.
   40. Bote Man Posted: October 27, 2017 at 09:01 PM (#5563966)
That was a less-win-ing bunt attempt.
   41. Hey - you and Tommy Lasorda...I hate Tommy Lasorda Posted: October 27, 2017 at 09:04 PM (#5563968)
Good catch by Smoltz. Gattis should have been more than half way there
   42. Baldrick Posted: October 27, 2017 at 09:05 PM (#5563969)
C'mon Darvish. You need to start putting some of these guys away after getting two strikes or this game is going to get real boring real fast.
   43. JJ1986 Posted: October 27, 2017 at 09:06 PM (#5563970)
Darvish just can't put anyone away.
   44. Monty Posted: October 27, 2017 at 09:07 PM (#5563971)
HOW WILL A STARTER GET PULLED IN THE THIRD INNING TODAY?!


I'm starting to wonder if Darvish will even get that far.
   45. dog poop god Posted: October 27, 2017 at 09:07 PM (#5563972)
That train whistle is annnoying.
   46. Hey - you and Tommy Lasorda...I hate Tommy Lasorda Posted: October 27, 2017 at 09:08 PM (#5563973)
Looked like McCann hit that right off the end of the bat. It just died past the infield.
   47. bunyon Posted: October 27, 2017 at 09:08 PM (#5563974)
I'm not sure I'd give darkish a second time through the order.
   48. Tin Angel Posted: October 27, 2017 at 09:08 PM (#5563975)
That train whistle is annnoying.


I like it, reminds me of my hobo days.
   49. Tin Angel Posted: October 27, 2017 at 09:09 PM (#5563976)
That was a piss poor throw wasn't it?
   50. dog poop god Posted: October 27, 2017 at 09:10 PM (#5563977)
Looking like the Dodger pen is going to get the chance to make amends for G2.

Not good. If the series goes seven, it'd be Darvish again.
   51. Baldrick Posted: October 27, 2017 at 09:10 PM (#5563978)
Good throw and they get him.
   52. Bote Man Posted: October 27, 2017 at 09:10 PM (#5563979)
That train whistle is annnoying.

This is correct.

In other news, I hope the Dahhhdgers pitching staff is well-rested after Game 2.
   53. Tin Angel Posted: October 27, 2017 at 09:11 PM (#5563980)
Man is McCann slow.
   54. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: October 27, 2017 at 09:11 PM (#5563981)
Uh, McCann?
   55. Baldrick Posted: October 27, 2017 at 09:11 PM (#5563982)
So...about that quick hook thing...
   56. Bug Selig Posted: October 27, 2017 at 09:11 PM (#5563983)
What's the mercy rule in this tournament?
   57. Baldrick Posted: October 27, 2017 at 09:12 PM (#5563984)
The Astros have absolutely KILLED the ball this inning. Even the outs were demolished.
   58. AT-AT at bat@AT&T Posted: October 27, 2017 at 09:12 PM (#5563985)
YU can put it in the books !! Yes, yes ! White Sox win !
   59. dog poop god Posted: October 27, 2017 at 09:12 PM (#5563986)
That was a piss poor throw wasn't it?

A middle infielder's.

I'd hate to pull Darvish here, but you've got to.
   60. bunyon Posted: October 27, 2017 at 09:12 PM (#5563987)
Good god. The person who pulled hill after should have had darvish out long ago.
   61. The Yankee Clapper Posted: October 27, 2017 at 09:13 PM (#5563988)
How did McCann not score then, "running" with two outs on a ball off the wall?
   62. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: October 27, 2017 at 09:13 PM (#5563989)
ALL HAIL THE TINY TERROR TOT!!!!
   63. Hey - you and Tommy Lasorda...I hate Tommy Lasorda Posted: October 27, 2017 at 09:13 PM (#5563990)
I don’t care if he is the catcher, that ball hit and rolled sideways 5-10 feet away from the fielder. He has got to score there.
   64. Dr. Vaux Posted: October 27, 2017 at 09:13 PM (#5563991)
Well, Roberts might just get fired for game 2. And Darvish has lost some money unless he gets another start and comes up big.
   65. AT-AT at bat@AT&T Posted: October 27, 2017 at 09:14 PM (#5563992)
How did McCann not score then, "running" with two outs on a ball off the wall?


It was smoked, plus McCann sucks.
   66. dog poop god Posted: October 27, 2017 at 09:14 PM (#5563993)
At least the Dodgers won't have to lift anyone for a pinch-hitter.
   67. dog poop god Posted: October 27, 2017 at 09:15 PM (#5563994)
Key out here. Big difference between 4-0 and 6-0.
   68. yo la tengo Posted: October 27, 2017 at 09:15 PM (#5563995)
How long can the Dodgers hope that Maeda can last after coming in game 2 as well?
   69. Baldrick Posted: October 27, 2017 at 09:16 PM (#5563996)
That could have been a LOT worse. Down 4 runs is manageable. They could easily have been down 7 or 8.
   70. Hey - you and Tommy Lasorda...I hate Tommy Lasorda Posted: October 27, 2017 at 09:16 PM (#5563997)
Now I have this earwown the rest of the game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ytei6bu7kQ

   71. Bote Man Posted: October 27, 2017 at 09:17 PM (#5563999)
So Maeda threw what? 2 pitches? Think he goes back out there after that exhausting outing??
   72. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: October 27, 2017 at 09:18 PM (#5564000)
I wish Carlos Gomez was here to ##### out McCann for not running the 'right way' with two outs with a double off the wall.
   73. AT-AT at bat@AT&T Posted: October 27, 2017 at 09:18 PM (#5564001)
Now I have this earwown the rest of the game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ytei6bu7kQ


I didn't even know Justin Turner was in the Muppet Show !
   74. dog poop god Posted: October 27, 2017 at 09:21 PM (#5564003)

Well, Roberts might just get fired for game 2.

I'm not going to say this again, but Roberts undoubtedly went with a plan approved by his bosses.

The saber strategy of 2017 is go to the pen early over late and don't expose a vulnerable starter to a lineup a third time. Also, that pen hadn't been scored on in over three games' worth of innings.
   75. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: October 27, 2017 at 09:23 PM (#5564004)
So Maeda threw what? 2 pitches? Think he goes back out there after that exhausting outing??

Sure, until the next left-handed hitter is up.
   76. dog poop god Posted: October 27, 2017 at 09:23 PM (#5564005)
How long can the Dodgers hope that Maeda can last after coming in game 2 as well?

As long as he's effective, he could go another three.
   77. Bote Man Posted: October 27, 2017 at 09:23 PM (#5564006)
Also, that pen hadn't been scored on in over three games' worth of innings.

Sure, burn right through them until you burn them out. Then where are you?
   78. dog poop god Posted: October 27, 2017 at 09:25 PM (#5564007)
Game's not over.
   79. bunyon Posted: October 27, 2017 at 09:26 PM (#5564008)
If they can run commercials during mound visits they aren't about to limit them.
   80. dog poop god Posted: October 27, 2017 at 09:27 PM (#5564009)
Sure, burn right through them until you burn them out. Then where are you?

You've watched too many Nationals games. They are pitching by design.

Didn't this used to be a sabermetrics site?
   81. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: October 27, 2017 at 09:27 PM (#5564010)
Hey, kids! You know what's even better than third-inning mound visits? That's right!! Third-inning mound visits with T-Mobile ads!! Yaaaaaaayy!!!!
   82. Baldrick Posted: October 27, 2017 at 09:27 PM (#5564011)
Maybe it's just me, but if I had just been spotted a 4 run lead, I'd want my pitcher to not walk the first two batters of the next inning.
   83. dog poop god Posted: October 27, 2017 at 09:28 PM (#5564013)
These ads are what they already do on radio.
   84. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: October 27, 2017 at 09:28 PM (#5564014)
I definitely wouldn't want him to walk the bases loaded.
   85. Baldrick Posted: October 27, 2017 at 09:28 PM (#5564015)
I'll be honest, while I agree in principle with all the anger about the ads, I actually haven't noticed them at all.

Like, I believe you that they exist, but if not for the comments I genuinely would have no idea that it was even happening. Am I the only one for whom this is true? Am I just really good at tuning out ads?
   86. Baldrick Posted: October 27, 2017 at 09:29 PM (#5564017)
Wow. How on earth did Seager not beat that out?
   87. JJ1986 Posted: October 27, 2017 at 09:31 PM (#5564019)
Like, I believe you that they exist, but if not for the comments I genuinely would have no idea that it was even happening. Am I the only one for whom this is true? Am I just really good at tuning out ads?
It's not the ads so much as it is Buck announcing each one before it airs.
   88. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: October 27, 2017 at 09:32 PM (#5564020)
Like, I believe you that they exist, but if not for the comments I genuinely would have no idea that it was even happening.

If you were still looking at and listening to the TV, that's pretty impressive. You're a marketer's worst nightmare.
   89. Hey - you and Tommy Lasorda...I hate Tommy Lasorda Posted: October 27, 2017 at 09:33 PM (#5564021)
I think McCullers has something wrong with his finger. He took a long look at it after that 2-2 pitch to Pederson missed, then walked two guys.
   90. dog poop god Posted: October 27, 2017 at 09:35 PM (#5564023)
The ads don't bother me. Except for the damned youtube logo. Also not a fan of superimposing ads over outfielders.
   91. Omineca Greg Posted: October 27, 2017 at 09:35 PM (#5564024)
Now I have this earwown the rest of the game.
I like the Muppets, but you gotta link to the original, in an Italian soft-core movie about lesbian Swedes. I proudly present... the orignal(SFW)
   92. dog poop god Posted: October 27, 2017 at 09:36 PM (#5564027)
One run at a time, sweet Jesus.
   93. Hey - you and Tommy Lasorda...I hate Tommy Lasorda Posted: October 27, 2017 at 09:36 PM (#5564028)
I am with you Baldrick, I tune the in game commercials out - but it is because of primer. I refresh or read comments during the down times. Consequently, I notice the between inning commercials more because there is nothing to read.
   94. Baldrick Posted: October 27, 2017 at 09:40 PM (#5564031)
If you were still looking at and listening to the TV, that's pretty impressive. You're a marketer's worst nightmare.

I mean, I'm on my computer writing some things and also futzing around on the internet. I mostly just ignore what the commentators say anyways, so I guess that's equipped me with the tools to ignore the ads, too.
   95. Hey - you and Tommy Lasorda...I hate Tommy Lasorda Posted: October 27, 2017 at 09:42 PM (#5564032)
Smoltz has got to be squirming about the obvious color commentary audition by Aron there.

EDIT Auto correct wiped Arod there. But maybe it is ok to call him A-a-Ron
   96. bunyon Posted: October 27, 2017 at 09:44 PM (#5564034)
I actually watch on mute most of the time.

Satan, I agree that Roberts used Hill according to higher plan. But the saber case for "no three times through the order" is not certain, Hill's splits really defy it and, if you're going to have a quick hook with your starter, you have to get them when they look like Darvish looked early. Simply replacing "starters should go deep no matter what" with "starters should never go three times through" is just replacing one foolish rigid mantra with another.
   97. dog poop god Posted: October 27, 2017 at 09:46 PM (#5564035)
I don't care about the money, either.
   98. dog poop god Posted: October 27, 2017 at 09:48 PM (#5564036)
96 -- I understand the second guess. Hindsight says let Hill at least start the next inning.

Best laid plans and all.
   99. Bote Man Posted: October 27, 2017 at 09:49 PM (#5564038)
Just hand The Binder to the GM and see how well he can manage a game. Good luck!
   100. Hey - you and Tommy Lasorda...I hate Tommy Lasorda Posted: October 27, 2017 at 09:50 PM (#5564039)
I like the Muppets, but you gotta link to the original, in an Italian soft-core movie about lesbian Swedes. I proudly present... the orignal(SFW)


The Henson crew must have had some good 1970’s era refreshments to connect that to a puppet show
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