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Thursday, January 11, 2018

Wrigleyville - Baseball Prospectus: COLLUSION BY ANY OTHER NAME WOULD SMELL AS FOUL

It’s not collusion. It’s sanity. It’s also the MLBPA making a very bad deal. Instead of focusing on a very small part of its membership, it should have been focusing on increasing money for a majority of its members.

So, when we see explicit reports by establishment voices like Ken Rosenthal assert that “teams are using a new playbook” when it comes to free agency, we should not be shy to critique such a system and those who perpetuate it. The evidence of collusion, or something functionally the same, is there. It’s just more artfully obfuscated than it used to be.

Most of the article is pretty silly. He doesn’t seem to understand collective bargaining. The players *agreed* to the luxury cap changes. The players *agreed* to keep salary minimums essentially where they were. The players also don’t really care about the plight of their minor league brethren. Blaming the owners for working to increase profits and make smarter decisions is misguided. The MLBPA is the most powerful labor union in the country. Unfortunately, their priorities are misplaced.

Jim Furtado Posted: January 11, 2018 at 05:58 AM | 14 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. McCoy Posted: January 11, 2018 at 06:15 AM (#5604455)
Is the money for the majority of players not increasing? Middling free agency in weak market not getting paid like thy are elite doesn’t mean the majority isn’t benefiting.
   2. Jose is an Absurd Doubles Machine Posted: January 11, 2018 at 08:57 AM (#5604488)
I mentioned this elsewhere but I think it's worth repeating;

Encarnacion - 3/60
Cespedes - 4/110
Turner - 4/64

Those were last winter's big name free agents. I don't think there is a big difference in quality between those guys and Hosmer or JDM and if Hoz and Martinez were willing to accept those deals they'd be signed by now.

The pitchers are a bit less obvious but I think Arrieta and Darvish are suffering from some of the buyer's remorse around Price and Greinke. I think teams are smartening up when it comes to long term deals for pitchers. Tanaka "signed" by not taking his opt out so in effect he signed a 3/67 deal. Again I suspect both Arrieta and Darvish would have signed already if they were OK with that level of deals.

The simple fact is this isn't an elite FA class. I think the end result is going to be these guys doing very very well for themselves and the wait will be worthwhile.
   3. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: January 11, 2018 at 09:37 AM (#5604504)
Is the money for the majority of players not increasing? Middling free agency in weak market not getting paid like thy are elite doesn’t mean the majority isn’t benefiting.

Relief pitchers are certainly making out like bandits. Guys with one good season in the last 5 are getting 3/20 deals.
   4. PASTE, Now with Extra Pitch and Extra Stamina Posted: January 11, 2018 at 09:45 AM (#5604510)
There's probably an element of the rich teams holding back for a run at Harper and/or Machado, right?
   5. Rally Posted: January 11, 2018 at 10:47 AM (#5604573)
Relief pitchers are certainly making out like bandits. Guys with one good season in the last 5 are getting 3/20 deals.


This is the future of baseball. A never ending parade of relievers. Soon teams will have so many relievers on the roster they won't have room to stock position players. So the relievers will have to fill in on their rest days.

Lack of batting skills combined with fresh pitchers maxing out their upper 90s velocity means strikeout after strikeout. Scores will generally be 1-0. Eventually a run will score as a reliever/batter strikes out, makes it to first on a passed ball (remember, the catcher is inexperienced, he's just a relief pitcher) and then advances home on a combination of stolen bases, passed balls, and wild pitches.
   6. JRVJ Posted: January 11, 2018 at 10:50 AM (#5604580)
5 of the best FAs are represented by Boras (Hosmer, Moustakas, Arrieta, Martínez & Holland), and Boras tends to counsel his clients to sign as late as possible.

It's remarkable that this important fact was not mentioned.
   7. JRVJ Posted: January 11, 2018 at 10:55 AM (#5604589)
DELETED DUE TO REPETITION.
   8. Man o' Schwar Posted: January 11, 2018 at 12:13 PM (#5604673)
Any time I see a headline in all caps here, I always want to put "MR. PRESIDENT" at the end of it.
   9. RMc's Unenviable Situation Posted: January 13, 2018 at 01:50 PM (#5605940)
This is the future of baseball. A never ending parade of relievers.

Please eliminate three.

P.S. I am not a crackpot.
   10. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: January 13, 2018 at 01:54 PM (#5605941)
This is the future of baseball. A never ending parade of relievers.


Please eliminate three.

I'd be totally on board with a rule capping the number of relievers used in a game. 9-inning game, no more than 3 RPs. If you need to remove an RP for injury, and want to use a 4th, the removed RP must go on the 15-day DL.
   11. 6 - 4 - 3 Posted: January 13, 2018 at 02:24 PM (#5605950)
Remember when Baseball Prospectus was worth reading?
   12. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: January 13, 2018 at 02:29 PM (#5605953)
It’s not collusion.

No one should ever feel comfortable making this assertion given how many times it's been collusion.
   13. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: January 13, 2018 at 02:36 PM (#5605958)
FTFA:
All of this inactivity, despite clubs being awash in money. In addition to the normal piles of cash that baseball owners sit upon, MLB handed $50 million to each club for the sale of MLBAM to Disney.
This is stupid. If you get a one-time windfall, you don't spend it on operating costs.
   14. Hysterical & Useless Posted: January 14, 2018 at 10:20 AM (#5606199)
This is stupid. If you get a one-time windfall, you don't spend it on operating costs.


That's right! You spend it on LOTTERY TICKETS!!!

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