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Yahoo:  Dodgers caravan chases away Barry Bonds from chicken, waffles

Barry Bonds just cannot win right now.

• Nobody will hire him to play baseball.

• His 20-year-old son is going to trial for spitting in his own mother’s face and other misdemeanors.

• The dude can’t even get himself some chicken and waffles without being beaten to the punch by the San Francisco Giants’ greatest rival, the Los Angeles Dodgers.

Thanks to Roberto Baly over at Vin Scully Is My Homeboy, we have a detailed blog-witness account of what happened when Bonds and the Dodgers winter caravan collided at Roscoe’s House of Chicken and Waffles, a Hollywood institution and celebrity hotspot.

Barry ain’t getting his waffles — that’s what happens!

Tripon Posted: February 07, 2010 at 02:41 AM | 46 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Anonymous Observer Posted: February 07, 2010 at 05:44 AM (#3455563)
He didn't get them because he's black.

AO
   2. Walt Davis Posted: February 07, 2010 at 06:17 AM (#3455571)
Chicken and waffles? Why have I never thought of this before!
   3. Earvin 'Gold Stars' Johnson Posted: February 07, 2010 at 06:20 AM (#3455572)
Roscoe's!
   4. Dale Sams Posted: February 07, 2010 at 06:25 AM (#3455574)
   5. Lassus Posted: February 07, 2010 at 06:44 AM (#3455579)
One of the times I was in Roscoe's, Prince was there. A great moment.
   6. CraigK Posted: February 07, 2010 at 06:59 AM (#3455583)
One of the times I was in Roscoe's, Prince was there. A great moment.


Wow. Prince Fielder ate there and they didn't have to close down for a month to wait for supplies?
   7. KingKaufman Posted: February 07, 2010 at 07:25 AM (#3455594)
I don't understand why the fan's "sweet spot" comment infuriated Bonds. What's the reference?
   8. Sox Machine Posted: February 07, 2010 at 08:01 AM (#3455601)
I don't understand why the fan's "sweet spot" comment infuriated Bonds. What's the reference?

I think it's a non-subtle way of saying, "I'm going to sell this baseball."
   9. YR Denies Jesus Montero Posted: February 07, 2010 at 08:04 AM (#3455602)
Wow, that head hasn't gotten any smaller.
   10. Harry Balsagne's transparent jealousy Posted: February 07, 2010 at 08:04 AM (#3455603)
I friggin LOVE Roscoe's.
   11. bads85 Posted: February 07, 2010 at 09:07 AM (#3455609)
Perhaps The Great Compromise should be to ban Bonds from Roscoe's, but allow him into the Hall of Fame.
   12. Tuque Posted: February 07, 2010 at 09:22 AM (#3455610)
If Barry Bonds likes chicken and waffles, then I like Barry Bonds.
   13. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: February 07, 2010 at 11:39 AM (#3455620)
My whole life I thoght Roscoe's was a fake company invented for Tapeheads. And I lived near LA for YEARS.
   14. Foghorn Leghorn Posted: February 07, 2010 at 03:46 PM (#3455633)
I don't understand why the fan's "sweet spot" comment infuriated Bonds. What's the reference?
What PH said, combined with "Hey moron, let me tell you how to autograph a baseball."
   15. J. Michael Neal Posted: February 07, 2010 at 05:20 PM (#3455656)
One of the times I was in Roscoe's, Prince was there. A great moment.


Feh. One of the times I was in the Perkins out 394, I sat about four feet behind him for my whole meal. He was regaling his posse with some of the most pretentious pseudo-philosophical ######## I've ever heard.
   16. akrasian Posted: February 07, 2010 at 05:33 PM (#3455660)
He was regaling his posse with some of the most pretentious pseudo-philosophical ######## I've ever heard.

Hey, his posse has to earn their money somehow. Putting up with his pretentious pseudo-philosophical ######## is part of the job description. That and nailing the groupies that Prince doesn't want for himself.
   17. Moneyball can't buy you love (Joey B.) Posted: February 07, 2010 at 05:49 PM (#3455668)
His 20-year-old son is going to trial for spitting in his own mother's face and other misdemeanors.

Holy crap, this is the first I've heard of this. Looks like another budding sociopath society is going to have to deal with. The apple truly doesn't fall too far from the tree, does it?
   18. Eraser-X is emphatically dominating teh site!!! Posted: February 07, 2010 at 05:54 PM (#3455669)
What support is there for the previous post? Is the poster projecting?
   19. Moneyball can't buy you love (Joey B.) Posted: February 07, 2010 at 06:06 PM (#3455675)
What support is there for the previous post? Is the poster projecting?

No. I have never spit in my mother's face, nor would the idea of doing something like that even cross my mind.

Did you even read the freaking article? I'll bet you didn't. Or do you think that spitting in your mother's face is the behavior of a normal, well-adjusted person? If you do, then you're the one with the problem and not me, buddy.
   20. GregQ Posted: February 07, 2010 at 06:29 PM (#3455679)
It would seem that spitting is the least of his issues.
Along with the assault with a deadly weapon charge, Menlo Park police also arrested Bonds on suspicion of assault and battery, vandalism, false imprisonment and obstructing and resisting an officer just for good measure. The false imprisonment is a result of not letting his mother leave the house
   21. SugarBear Blanks Posted: February 07, 2010 at 06:40 PM (#3455683)
There was a great mid-90s Nike TV ad involving Iceman Gervin cooing "Chris Webber's chicken and waffles" and somehow comparing them to the sublime NBA and maybe even Ice's sublime finger roll.

Details elude.
   22. robinred Posted: February 07, 2010 at 06:41 PM (#3455684)
Here is an eyewitness account:

Looks like Mr. Bonds wanted to eat some Chicken and Waffles. He didn't know there were so many Dodger fans inside the building. Fans came out and asked for his autograph. Believe it or not, he did sign. He was in a good mood (I'm not kidding) until a fan gave him a ball and told him [to write] "In the sweet spot."

Wow. I guess he's a rookie. I shook my head. Another fan by my side looked at him and whispered "Are you nuts?" I knew what was going to happen next.

Bonds snapped. "You don't say that to me," he said. "I'm leaving, I got to go."

______
   23. Lassus Posted: February 07, 2010 at 06:46 PM (#3455686)
He was regaling his posse with some of the most pretentious pseudo-philosophical ######## I've ever heard.

Shocking. And how did Prince answer Gaelan's latest rant?
   24. SugarBear Blanks Posted: February 07, 2010 at 06:55 PM (#3455692)
Fan was a complete asshat. Why not just go up to Bonds and, instead of asking for an autograph, say "Can you give me $50"? That's what the "fan" was asking anyway. What a soulless, in-your-face, absurdist social interaction. WTF is wrong with people?
   25. TribeGuy Posted: February 07, 2010 at 11:06 PM (#3455791)
Fan was a complete asshat. Why not just go up to Bonds and, instead of asking for an autograph, say "Can you give me $50"? That's what the "fan" was asking anyway. What a soulless, in-your-face, absurdist social interaction. WTF is wrong with people?


As a veteran autograph hound I don't know that I completely agree with that comment. I don't sell any autographs I collect, but I still prefer players to sign the sweet spot if they don't mind. (Unless I'm trying to put together a team ball.) It is just more attractive to display.

Still, I try not to ask players that are well known for not signing (like Bonds) to sign the sweet-spot. Mostly out of fear that it is an excuse for them not to sign at all.

But Bonds' reason for not signing the sweet spot (or his full name) in public is just so he can sell his own line of official autographed balls (with his full name on the sweet spot) and maintain control over his premium signature. That's his perrogative, but really no better than the fan he is offended by.

I wouldn't mind half as much if he would just say politely he doesn't sign the sweet spot as a policy and move on, rather than snapping at fans and bailing. But I guess that is just par for the course for Bonds.
   26. Rich Rifkin Posted: February 07, 2010 at 11:39 PM (#3455794)
He was in a good mood (I'm not kidding) until a fan gave him a ball and told him [to write] "In the sweet spot."

"I still prefer players to sign the sweet spot if they don't mind."

The confusing language in this story is the parenthetical [to write]. I have no idea if that is literally what VSIMH intended. But if it is, then what the autograph requester wanted was for Bonds to write the four words, "In the sweet spot."

Perhaps VSIMH is semi-literate and mistakenly used [to write] when he meant [to sign]? If so, what an indictment against the education system in Los Angeles. Fortunately, there are no bad writers produced outside of L.A.
   27. Eraser-X is emphatically dominating teh site!!! Posted: February 08, 2010 at 12:00 AM (#3455801)
Did you even read the freaking article? I'll bet you didn't. Or do you think that spitting in your mother's face is the behavior of a normal, well-adjusted person? If you do, then you're the one with the problem and not me, buddy.


I read the article. I don't think the younger's behavior is "well-adjusted".

I was wondering why you described the elder Bonds as a sociopath. I didn't see anything in the article that fit this description. I was just being sardonic in my response to you, but I understand why you would respond aggressively--I could have been more polite.

But Bonds' reason for not signing the sweet spot (or his full name) in public is just so he can sell his own line of official autographed balls (with his full name on the sweet spot) and maintain control over his premium signature. That's his perrogative, but really no better than the fan he is offended by.


It's only equivalent if you believe that Bonds has no more right to make money off of his own signature than some random guy does.

Personally, I think Bonds should have tossed the ball aside and said "Turn around and bend over, I'll sign in the 'sweet spot'!"
   28. Rich Rifkin Posted: February 08, 2010 at 12:10 AM (#3455803)
Perhaps VSIMH is semi-literate and mistakenly used [to write] when he meant [to sign]? If so, what an indictment against the education system in Los Angeles.
Uh-oh. I owe an apology to VSIMH. He didn't make a mistake. The problem with the confusing words in parentheses were only in the Yahoo version of the encounter by David Brown.

Mr. Brown (or his editor, if he has one) was trying to clarify VSIMH's blog post, but in doing so confused matters. Had Brown left well-enough alone all would have been understandable.

I checked the Vin Scully Is My Homeboy blog and this is how it reads:
Looks like Mr. Bonds wanted to eat some Chicken and Waffles. He didn't know there was many Dodger fans inside the building. Fans came out and asked for his autograph. Believe it or not, he did sign. He was in a good mood (I'm not kidding) until a fan gave him a ball and told him "In the sweet spot"
The Dodger fan did not tell Barroid to write "In the sweet spot," as David Brown would have you believe.
   29. Alex_Lewis Posted: February 08, 2010 at 12:44 AM (#3455810)
The Dodger fan did not tell Barroid to write "In the sweet spot," as David Brown would have you believe.


Yeah, that confused me as well. But, as the VSIMH guy is a Dodgers fan, he still sucks.
   30. Pat Rapper's Delight Posted: February 08, 2010 at 02:05 AM (#3455825)
I try not to ask players that are well known for not signing (like Bonds) to sign the sweet-spot.

No doubt. If Barry Bonds is about to sign a baseball of mine, I don't care if the stitches run through the middle of his autograph... I've still got a Barry Bonds signed baseball.

But then I wouldn't have immediately pedaled home to my mom's basement so I could list it on eBay either.
   31. Tripon Posted: February 08, 2010 at 02:11 AM (#3455826)
At least my team didn't sign Mark DeRosa to play Left field.
   32. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: February 08, 2010 at 04:55 AM (#3455857)
To hell with Bonds. It's fans like that who pay that ungrateful bastard's salary. Or rather, they would, if Bonds hadn't been colluded against.
   33. Tripon Posted: February 08, 2010 at 05:06 AM (#3455859)
I am not sure how a Dodgers fan ever paid for Bonds salary.
   34. Rich Rifkin Posted: February 08, 2010 at 05:38 AM (#3455863)
"I am not sure how a Dodgers fan ever paid for Bonds salary."

When the Dodgers played the Giants, they did.
   35. Eraser-X is emphatically dominating teh site!!! Posted: February 08, 2010 at 06:53 AM (#3455873)
To hell with Bonds. It's fans like that who pay that ungrateful bastard's salary. Or rather, they would, if Bonds hadn't been colluded against.


Awesome! I'd like to twist this into a Godwin's law violation, but it's probably too much.
   36. Rich Rifkin Posted: February 08, 2010 at 07:41 AM (#3455876)
"Or rather, they would, if Bonds hadn't been colluded against."

I think it sucks, as a Bonds fan in specific and a fan of great ballplayers in general, that Barroid was colluded against. The notion that no AL team could have used the guy, who finished his last season with a 1.045 OPS (169 OPS+, highest in the major leagues!), as a DH is NOT CREDIBLE. There was collusion against Barroid and it sucks.

On the other hand, Barroid made a boatload of money in his career. I'm sure his two divorces and all the steroids he bought and Greg Anderson's silence cost him some coin. But if my friend (or really, old friend I have not seen in 20 years) was right, telling me that the Bonds he knew personally does not blow money, is very tight with every dollar and will never be one of those guys who is broke after retirement, Bonds is going to get along just fine without the $20-$40 million he was robbed of by the colluders. Damn you, colluders!
   37. Eraser-X is emphatically dominating teh site!!! Posted: February 08, 2010 at 01:43 PM (#3455897)
Rich, I think you are right on the financials, so even though it's not fair to him, I'm less interested in the money that Bonds lost.

What I'm much more concerned about is what is lost when teams intentionally don't build the best possible team. If it was up to me, I'd ban every colluding owner from baseball and start from scratch.
   38. flournoy Posted: February 08, 2010 at 04:04 PM (#3455938)
To hell with Bonds. It's fans like that who pay that ungrateful bastard's salary.


I have no idea if this is serious or not, but it's the most brain-dead, infuriating position I've seen. If you were to meet a waitress for a restaurant you frequent and ask her for a favor that she couldn't do for you, would you respond, "Hey, screw you, I pay your salary!" You don't pay her salary, and you didn't pay Bonds' salary. Employees of companies you patronize owe you nothing.
   39. Moneyball can't buy you love (Joey B.) Posted: February 08, 2010 at 04:23 PM (#3455954)
I was wondering why you described the elder Bonds as a sociopath.

I call him that because that's exactly what he is. How are you supposed to describe a person who tells his mistress that he's going to cut her head off and leave her in a ditch?

Seriously, what the hell is it with this family anyway? Clearly they have a predilection for this kind of behavior.
   40. Downtown Bookie Posted: February 08, 2010 at 04:53 PM (#3455974)
To hell with Bonds. It's fans like that who pay that ungrateful bastard's salary.


I have no idea if this is serious or not, but it's the most brain-dead, infuriating position I've seen. If you were to meet a waitress for a restaurant you frequent and ask her for a favor that she couldn't do for you, would you respond, "Hey, screw you, I pay your salary!" You don't pay her salary, and you didn't pay Bonds' salary. Employees of companies you patronize owe you nothing.


Many years ago, when I was working in retail, an unsatisfied customer made the mistake of telling me that they pay my salary. I immediately stopped what I was doing, told that customer that I wanted a raise, and that I would not continue assisting them until they gave it to me.

That's just one of many instances in my career that demonstrated that I was not meant to work in retail.

DB
   41. Perros Posted: February 08, 2010 at 05:42 PM (#3456025)
is it really collusion not to hire a jackass even if he might add value to your team?

I liked Barry Bonds the player from start to finish, but he ranks almost dead last on my world injustice list.
   42. TribeGuy Posted: February 08, 2010 at 05:49 PM (#3456030)
It's only equivalent if you believe that Bonds has no more right to make money off of his own signature than some random guy does.


I agree with you Eraser-X that Bonds should have greater ability to make money off of his name than the average fan. I guess what really bothers me is player's assumption that any signature they sign is $50 out of their pocket, because what idiot wouldn't just turn around and sell a legible Barry Bonds autograph on the sweet spot on e-bay.

Not every autograph hound is in it to make money.

If Barry Bonds is about to sign a baseball of mine, I don't care if the stitches run through the middle of his autograph... I've still got a Barry Bonds signed baseball.


Very true Pat Rapper's Delight. When Bonds came out of the locker room after a spring training game back in the late 90's and scribbled BBS on the side panel of my baseball while being mobbed by dozens of fans I was pretty excited. It still sits on my shelf today.

Thanks Barry for taking the time and I'm glad nobody in front of me asked you to sign the sweet spot!
   43. Ron Johnson Posted: February 08, 2010 at 06:05 PM (#3456041)
Is it really collusion not to hire a jackass even if he might add value to your team?


No. It's collusion if they made some kind of collective determination. In past collusion cases the arbitrators have asked questions, listened carefully to the answers and called management liars.

As long as every team can present something close to a rational argument Bonds won't win. I'd be interested in how the Mariners (.221/.273/.334 from the DH spot!) answer. I'm not sure I'd like to go on record as "just mailing the season in".

Most everybody else has a fairly simple answer. (combination of didn't think he could play the field plus a solution that rated to be OK already under contract. Or why screw up the development of a long-term solution for a one year bandaid) Sure, plenty of the situations didn't work out, but baseball is like that.
   44. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: February 09, 2010 at 01:31 AM (#3456463)
To hell with Bonds. It's fans like that who pay that ungrateful bastard's salary.

I have no idea if this is serious or not, but it's the most brain-dead, infuriating position I've seen.


You may have bailed out of my three-sentence post one sentence too soon.
   45. PreservedFish Posted: February 09, 2010 at 01:48 AM (#3456470)
I'd be interested in how the Mariners (.221/.273/.334 from the DH spot!) answer.


They have a very easy answer: not worth the headache.
   46. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: February 09, 2010 at 02:05 AM (#3456481)
"New York Mets, your twelve left fielders slugged .396 in 2008. Did you acquire Trot Nixon on June 13th to help fill your hole at the position?"

"Yes. Yes, we did."

"We find for Mr. Bonds, with treble damages."

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