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Wednesday, August 03, 2011
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1. SteveM. Posted: August 04, 2011 at 03:53 AM (#3892380)Still, good for him (and I love Sean Penn).
The Urbina thing takes so of the shine off this thou.
I don't know, I'd need more context. Ozzie's comment suggests that he feels the rule of law is a joke in large parts of Venezuela, so from that perspective Urbina's decision to take the law into his own hands would be much more justified (how he went about doing it might be another story).
I remember that! Man, I loved Bloom County back in the day.
Well, even if he was connected, he's a damn fine actor. But the other words, it's hard to argue. :)
I always use attention-loving actors to get my political opinions.
There is no reason actors should be ignored on politics more than any other human being, though, so...
It is true that all actors should be ignored when it comes to politics. ALL of them.
"
What about foul mouthed baseball managers?
Naw, on this issue I'm willing to compromise with conservatives. Let's ignore all actors and sports figures, too, while we're at it.
It depends on how entertaining they are. Ozzie's entertaining but a bit overrated, I think. I prefer the grizzled humor of Jim Leyland.
I'm fuzzy on immigration law, do you necessarily have to renounce your original citizenship to become an American citizen?
I've read that technically you do, but most foreign countries don't recognize that and treat the person as a dual citizen. (And that the US government doesn't really do anything about it).
Of course leaving aside all that, if I became a citizen of another country for whatever reason I don't think I'd just shut off the part of me that was Canadian. Mr. Harper would still be MY Prime Minister, unfortunately.
Oh man, I loved Bloom County. I read all those before I had any idea who Sean Penn or Caspar Weinberger or half the people he talked about were.
Abraham Lincoln tried that advice.
Me, too. The politics and some of the cultural stuff was over my head, but it just looked funny. I loved the full color Sunday strips.
Abraham Lincoln tried that advice.
Too soon!
Speaking of movies and thinly veiled political agendas, The Conspirator sure sucked.
I thought James McAvoy, Kevin Kline and Rory Gilmore would = smash hit!
Do any of us get along?
I guess we don't!
IIRC, only for certain countries we are not so friendly with. I believe you can have dual citizenship for places like Canada and the UK. My wife had to renounce her citizenship to Laos though. OTOH, I don't think my grandfather had to renounce citizenship from South Korea.
Oh yeah, #### you!
Then you really need to drop some cash on the hardcovers that IDW is releasing. They're doing the entire Bloom County in a 6-volume run. Volume 5 is due out in the next couple months.
Has it aged well, you think? Or will it be like watching old A-Team reruns and realizing you wasted your life from the ages of 9-11?
As AG#1F notes, there are as many possible scenarios as there are different pairs (or more) of countries involved. The US may have an official legal/diplomatic opinion in many cases, but if your native country is OK with your keeping your passport, voting, or doing whatever else their citizenship brings with it, it's not like Homeland Security is necessarily going to charge around stopping naturalized US citizens from doing it: "Sorry, you voted in the elections for the Estonian Riigikogu, we'll have to deport you now."
Yeah, but now Ozzie is jealous as Penn was banging Scarlett Johannsson.
This. I don't really care what Sean Penn thinks about the issues of the day, but the same goes for 99% of humanity.
My larger point is that the people who reflexively bash the political activism of actors and celebrities don't really mean they dislike the political activism of actors and celebrities.
Bloom County was one of the very best comic strips in the history of American newsprint, every bit as good as "Peanuts" and "Calvin and Hobbes". What female could resist such entrancing lyrics penned by Billy and the Boingers:
Let me graze upon your veldt
Let me stomple your albino
Let me nibble on your buds
Baby I'm your love rhino
It's aged fairly well. There are certainly some dated references, but there's still a lot of highly enjoyable insanity packed in there.
I think it has aged amazingly well, and if you were a mere lad when you read it the first time you'll enjoy it even more when a bit of historical distance and a better idea of whom the different characters were spoofing. I have the first 3 IDW volumes and they're excellent.
Deathtöngue rules
However, whether you're a citizen of country X is determined by the laws of country X, not the laws of any other country. Thus, if your former country doesn't recognize your renunciation, then it will continue to treat you as a citizen. The U.S. doesn't "do anything about it," but there isn't really anything the U.S. can do. Except nuke country X. What the U.S. does, however, is treat you as a U.S. citizen, not a "dual citizen." In other words, it insists that for the purposes of dealing with the U.S., you are a citizen of the U.S. with all the rights of U.S. citizens and none of the rights that the U.S. might give to foreigners. You pay taxes as a U.S. citizen, you can be drafted like a U.S. citizen, compelled at gunpoint to buy Obamacare like a U.S. citizen, and must use your U.S. passport when entering or leaving the U.S.
With golden sun that shines,
Up above to nicely warm
These frosty toes of mine.
The wind doth taste of bittersweet
Like jasper wine and sugar
It must have blown through others' feet
Like those of Caspar Weinberger
Likewise, and I'm looking forward to the 4th.
I do wonder how it would read to a smart 14-year-old today, though. It holds up well to US, but we were reading it at the time.
Slam my head, shake yer booty!
Wham, bam, thank you Nell,
I'm on the Amtrak to hell
Especially Reagan.
Like a lot of people here, I didn't get many of the topical references when I read it as a kid. Now a lot of the references don't make sense because they're long forgotten. So it's just the same as it ever was!
It's available online, if you want to read a few strips and see what you think.
Oh man, somewhere I still have the flexidisk that came with Bloom County Bootleg or whatever it's called. The book where Deathtöngue mimic the cover art from The Joshua Tree. "I'm a Boinger" (which sort of sucks) backed with "U-Stink-But-I-?-U". The B-Side is an awesome encomium to a woman who "looks like hell" in her "polyester pantsuit":
You make me sick!
(Way-o way-o way-o)
You make me sick!
You really stink, girl!
You make me sick!
(Way-o way-o way-o)
You make me sick!
[tuba farts]
But I love you.
Edit: Fixed the title
Edit Edit: The song is originally by some band called Mucky Pup, it's on Youtube, and it kind of sucks too.
I'm pretty sure "Pear pimples for hairy fishnuts" has help up well.
Shout Satan's might,
Deathtöngue, Deathtöngue,
The beast rises tonight!
I think that's right ...
Is this true? As a British citizen and US citizen, I've always been under the impression that I could get a British passport if I wanted to (and were willing to travel to Washington DC to apply for it). I have a US passport, but would prefer to use a British passport if I was travelling in Europe. I have no problem with always using a US passport when entering or leaving the US, but would like the choice of using a British one to travel between, say, Britain and France.
I think he means requiring a US passport to travel to the US. As far as the USA is concerned you're a citizen of USA and that's it. I think it's possible to have a UK passport as well, but if you use it to travel to the US and they find out you're a citizen of the US as well they won't be impressed. The French authorities probably don't care which one you use (provided they are both valid).
His point about Penn was simple and eloquent: In so many words, Penn is nothing but a Potemkin Village tourist, whose information about Venezuela is based on seeing and hearing only what he and the Venezuelan government want him to see and hear. Every modern dictatorship from the time of Stalin has had useful idiots like Penn to prop up its propaganda machine, and I loved Guillen's offer to take Penn around Venezuela for two weeks to show him what the country is really like. I also liked the fact that within a matter of a few seconds, he was able to say that Chavez was still "my president" even though "I don't like it", make the distinction, and then quickly return to the real issue he had with Penn without missing a beat. When you add to it his words on immigration, you had one of the wiser five minutes of off the cuff political commentary ever to come out of the mouth of a professional athlete this side of Bill Bradley.
I say this without irony...I would LOVE Guillen to take me on a tour of Venezuela. It looks like a beautiful country.
While you were in the US Harper would still be your prime minister? In what sense?
If my former country, X, wanted to, say, draft me into the military, I'd expect the US to do something about it. Although, if I conceded that the president of country X was still my president, maybe not. I would think that might be grounds for the US to seek to have your citizenship revoked.
With or without Chavez's okay?
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