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1. Sparkles Peterson Posted: October 23, 2007 at 04:38 PM (#2590254)well, the Yankees haven't won a WS since then
coincidence? I think not.
(forgetting) al qaeda
But Rudy has a ring! Count Rudy's ringzzzzzzzz!
In my opinion, a Yankee fan would never root for the Red Sox. Maybe against the Mets, but even then I don't think so.
I haven't either, but I'll spit on any Prince of Wales Conference fan. They're the lowest form of humanity.
Actually, Willy, i think there ARE AL and NL fans. As a fan in an AL city, I see the AL players a lot more, and I follow the AL day-to-day, every team. The NL, not so much. I can't recall the last time I rooted for the NL in the WS, I guess when the Braves were playing (long-time Richmonder with a soft place for the Braves after 17 years of watching the AAA club). As much as I dislike what a lot of Red Sox fans are becoming, I'll probably root for them a bit more.
Yeah, I said it. You wanna go?
I am a national league fan that generally roots for the national league team. Maybe because I am older and grew up in a national league only city. So that part kind of makes sense to me. That said I am a Pirates fan and there is no real sense of my team having a hated rival at this point. I would definitely root against my hated rival. And for the Yankess I would have to think that would be the Red Sox and Mets. So I would have to root against them.
Unless I had an ulterior motive......
I think many fans in the NFL v. AFL days took sides, and maintain a degree of preference to this day. Same for baseball, except when the within league rivalry gets so intense that it overwhelms any spirit of league solidarity. Never saw many Boston fans showing any solidarity towards the Yanks, so it's difficult to reciprocate. Put me down as interested but neutral this year.
1984: Tigers
1985: Royals
1986: Red Sox
1987: Twins
1988: Out of country
1989: A's
1990: A's
1991: Neutral
1992: Neutral
1993: Phillies
1995: Neutral
1996: Yankees
1997: Indians
1998: Yankees
1999: Yankees
2000: Yankees
2001: Yankees
2002: Giants
2003: Yankees
2004: Cardinals
2005: White Sox
2006: Tigers
No real pattern there.
I think I speak for many Red Sox fans when I say that I think I need to go take a shower.
If she's not kissing babies, she's stealing their lollipops. (Another good movie! A bit loopy, but good.)
I have to admit, she's figured this politics thing out better than I thought she would. 4 years ago I would have thought you were crazy if you'd said she would beat Rudy in New York. Now I think she'll kick his arse here.
yes, but like I said before, that has as much to do with Rudy making himself unpopular as it does Hilary politiking.
True dat, but she's been much smoother at carving out the mushy middle of the political landscape better than I thought she would. It would have been an interesting dogfight if Rudy didn't spend all his goodwill as fast as he possibly could.
YOU try defending the Pete Wards of the AL world against Richie Allen etc.
It wasn't easy, my friend.
Now, when I finally have my chance for tormential comebackancy...most of those old NL friends have OD'd, died from AIDS or are in prison.
I generally root for the NL, but I especially root for the NL team that eliminated my team earlier in the playoffs when it happens. The idea is that you can claim that you lost to the best team. Especially now, with the AL fans lording it over the NL fans with the JV comments. Nice that our team that squeaked into the playoffs beat the AL rep last year.
This year I was rooting for the Indians because of a miraculous fantasy season a few years back spearheaded by VMart, and my typical "any non-Yankee AL team can't be too bad" was in force. But I'm rooting for the Rockies.
You have to be pretty overwhelmingly worse than your opponent to lose NY in the presidential race if you're a Democrat. Only in the 1972 (Nixon, incumbent, pre-scandal), 1980 (Reagan, popular actor vs. fairly despised incumbent), and 1984 (Mondale who? 525-13!) elections did the Empire State vote red.
Elections for mayor and governor are more single-issue voting. Pataki won pretty much on capital punishment. Guiliani won on "tough on crime."
Leopard, spots.
Ditto. I love baseball like I love pizza--put what you like on it: pepperoni, mushrooms, bacon, sweet and hot peppers onion, tomato, DH, double-switch, three-run jacks, bunts and stolen bases, AL, NL, PCL, IL, AA, FSL, Northern League, Frontier League etc.
's all good.
Always had a rooting interest in both leagues: the NL was Montreal (1969-2004) and now Philadelphia. The AL was Detroit (1969-1976) and Blue Jays (1977-present).
Put me in coach, I'm ready to cheer, with my beer. Put me in coach, I'm ready to stay today, put me in I can sit in (the) centerfield (bleachers).
Best Regards
John
Edit: I haven't really decided who I'll be cheering for in the WS this year. I love the Rockies run and am really happy for their fans (and Todd Helton) but I also love watching Manny, Papi and to a lesser extent Mike Lowell--and of course there's that beautiful ballpark.
Pete Ward held the White Sox record for career HR by a lefty until the mid-1980s. He's still fourth, which is sad.
That doesn't seem too unlikely. 3 out the last 9 presidential elections. So the odds NY goes red is about the same as the odds Wade Boggs gets a hit in any given atbat.
Still, Hilary will eat Rudy for lunch if the republicans are dumb enough to nominate him.
I for one welcome our new reptilian overlady.
I will root for the AL and AFC team, all other things being equal.
This year, things are not equal. Go Rockies!
shooty, Rudy was immensely unpopular in NY on 9/10. The temporary nature of his surge was very foreseeable to anyone who watched the decline in his popularoty over the previous couple of years. His authoritarianism was well-suited to the fear that immediately followed 9/11, but it was also the reason NYers already hated him. Once people returned to a more or less normal state, it was very easy to start disliking him again.
You know,. I'm not a fan of hers--I think she lacks conviction--but I think she'll be competent and I think she'll put competent people in charge of the various agencies. At this point, I'll take it. Screw leadership, I want competence!
Oh yeah, go Sawx. I usually root for the original AL or NL teams in a series against an expansion upstart.
What a flip-flop!
that, and Bloomberg has mayored circles around him. If Giuliani had even one ounce of the decency Bloomberg has demonstrated, we might have a real horserace between him and Hilary.
What did W say to his dad?
1981 Yankees
1982 Cardinals
1983 Phillies
1984 Neutral
1985 Cardinals
1986 Mets
1987 Cardinals
1988 Dodgers
1989 Neutral
1990 Reds
1991 Braves
1992 Blue Jays
1993 Neutral
1994 Expos
1995 Braves
1996 Braves
1997 Marlins
1998 Yankees
1999 Yankees
2000 Yankees
2001 Yankees
2002 Angels
2003 Yankees
2004 Cardinals
2005 Astros
2006 Cardinals
2007 Rockies
I root for the old AFL teams in the NFL, I root for the old ABA teams in the NBA and I root for the AL to beat the NL almost without exception. Old loyalties don't die easily.
Why'd you flip on the Braves-Yankees from 96 to 99?
Though a lot of my hatred for the Rockies has to do with the fact that they were a failure franchise that did nothing but screw the Giants. This recent run has eased that first point so I suppose I can like them a little bit. We'll see how the series goes. A peppy performance always brings a twinkle to my eye.
I think I got tired of the Braves around that time, and the Yankees sort of grew on me. I was more indifferent to the Yankees in 1996, but the 1998 team probably did the most to awaken the Yankee fan in my blood (family is all from central NY).
heh. "if"
If not for Jim ####### Leyritz, the Braves would be a dynasty proper. Man, #### rafael belliard too.
god, i am depressed. can i get the 99 nlcs decider with the mets anywhere online?
Now I remember why I hate the Rockies... And the Braves.
When I lived in NY years ago, I would support the Yanks if they made it, but I could care less about them now.
Only the sands of time.
1993 was a "crime" election. NYC was a very different place and Rudy represented a bulldog mentality that people wanted. It was about feeling safe at night. It was also a make-up for the 1989 election, where Rudy lost to Dinkins by the narrowest margin in a mayoral election in NY in history and the promise Rudy made in 1989 about crime not getting better under Dinkins appeared to be true (but was actually not true, crime dropped).
In 1997, Rudy was still very well liked. He won the election pretty handily, although it was one of the lowest turnouts for an election. The Democrats put up Messinger, who was an awful candidate and she got murdered.
Ultimately, Rudy was a victim of the change in the city (put aside the debate of whether he was the cause or the beneficiary of it). When you're afraid to walk the streets at night, you don't care as much about a little extra aggressive police tactics (particularly if you are white and middle or upper class). As the fear subsides, you stop wanting that type of leader.
Then 9/11 came and it was the most terrifying thing New Yorkers experienced in my lifetime. Perhaps the Son of Sam murders were more frightening because of how they dragged out over time but I wasn't alive then.
I really dislike Guiliani, but it's primarily because of the sentiment made clear in this quote:
1986 Red Sox
1987 Twins
1988 Dodgers
1989 Neutral
1990 Reds
1991 Braves
1992 Braves
1993 Phillies
1994 World Series Cancelled
1995 Braves
1996 Braves
1997 Marlins
1998 Padres
1999 Braves
2000 World Series Cancelled
2001 DBacks
2002 Giants
2003 Marlins
2004 Red Sox
2005 Astros
2006 Tigers
2007 Red Sox
Rudy puts it in a particularly obnoxious way, of course; but the philosophical substance of the statement could, I think, only be opposed by an extreme libertarian....
Actually, 1993 was all about a "should we secede from NYC?" proposal on the Staten Island ballot. Guiliani lost narrowly to Dinkins in '89, then won narrowly in '93. The secession vote led to an increased voter turnout in Staten Island-- the whitest and most conservative area of the city-- which accounted entirely for the margin of reversal. And since 1993, when that proposal passed in a landslide, there hasn't been any move whatsoever for Staten Island to secede, nor a whiff of further discussion about it.
I cannot fathom the level of trust in any government that is sufficient for that quote to be less than horrifying.
Especially the words "a great deal."
I wouldn't be able to fathom it myself, but considering how many of the smarter-than-average people on this site suddenly come late to the civil libertarian party when they find the government reading people's library checkout list and then turn around and prematurely, uh, excite themselves at the prospect of ceding medical and financial decisions to the government, I would be surprised if less than 95% of the population didn't find that quote to be horrifying. At least, that is, if they think it was said by a person whose political affiliation matched their party affiliation.
I'm in the same boat. Mitt has as much principle as Bud Selig at an All-Star game, and Fred Thompson is about as passionate about politics as Garrett Anderson in left, but I'd take both any day over Rudy whose Presidency I suspect will involve a great deal of yelling and insulting people as much as possible. Oh and using the memory of 9/11 to invade the Turks & Caicos for more beachfront property.
The Red Sox? Hell, they make the game interesting. And how can you hate a team with Papi and Manny? Measuring the Yanks against the Indians or the Angels just doesn't make it, no matter how good those teams may be in any given year. Give them a few years and they'll be back where they belong.
And I don't root against teams, only against owners (Dan Snyder) and regions (any Sun Belt team, since no matter how big they get no Sun Belt city deserves baseball). The Bay Area is sort of on the 50 yard line, but since it gets pretty cold out there in the Summer, rooting for any of those teams is OK.
Maybe this is all BS, but none of the above makes any more or less sense than claiming that to be a "true" fan you have to "hate" this team or that team. Nothing about fandom is, or should, be rational.
The only identified group on July 25, 2001 which had a majority unfavorable rating of Giuliani's job performance was "blacks." Overall, when this question, "Do you approve or disapprove of the way Rudolph Giuliani is handling his job as Mayor?," was asked, Rudy was rated favorably by 50-40%.
Of course, after 8 years in office, he was less popular on 9/10 than he was when he was at his peak a few years earlier. Many people were tired of his act, and his personal life was screwed up. But that means little, as just about every outgoing president and governor, after 8 years, has shot his wad so to speak and has lost his luster.
His popularity just after 9/11 means little in the long run, as that was more of a spontaneous popular reaction in a crisis situation. (GW Bush, also, was immensely popular in the weeks after 9/11, and all that shine has faded.) But there is no truth to the fable that Rudy was immensely unpopular on 9/10/01.
1997 Marlins
1998 Padres
1999 Yankees
2000 Mets
2001 Diamondbacks
2002 Yuck
2003 Marlins
2004 Cardinals
2005 Didn't really care
2006 Tigers
2007 Rockies
I was 10 in 97, so that's about when I started really caring. As an A's fan, 2002 was particularly awful for me (I don't mind the Giants so much anymore, but at that time there was a nice little Bay Area rivalry over who had the better team), and I was really, really bored by both teams in 05.
Of course, you left out the fact that that same poll has him at a 39% favorability rating. And regardless, I would guess his unfavorable ratings in NY are much higher now given his handling of a lot of the post-9/11 issues and the stuff that's come out about his mishandling of safety issues before 9/11.
Giuliani 46%
F. Thompson 14
McCain 8%
Gingrich 6%
Romney 3%
Undecided 14%
Does that mean that Democrats would vote for him? No. I would guess that Hillary would trounce Rudy statewide. But I still have not seen any evidence which suggests what you claim. Giuliani remains a relatively popular New Yorker among New Yorkers, particularly for a Republican.
But this is precisely opposite. If you're a Yankees fan you're supposed to root AGAINST the Mets. And the Red Sox, obvi.
I would bet that this shameless attempt to pander will turn off far more Red Sox fans than it will appeal to. We don't want Yankees fans to like us - we want them to seethe with envy that we've done better than them. Especially since support from a Yankees fan can so easily feel like pity (less so after 04, but still...). And it's just so contrary to the whole spirit of fandom that it offends me as a fan of sport in general almost as much as it does as a Red Sox supporter.
I was aware of baseball prior to 88, but not enough to really pay attention to the Series while it was going on. I do remember visiting family in Boston the summer of 86 and then being very excited about the Sox, so insofar as I supported anyone then, it was them.
1988 A's (my older brother was a big A's fan, so I bandwagoned these 3 years)
1989 A's (do people remember where they were when they heard about the quake? We were having dinner at a Golden Corral and turned on the game on the drive home only to find out)
1990 A's
1991 Twins
1992 Blue Jays
1993 Blue Jays
1995 Braves
1996 Braves
1997 Marlins
1998 Padres
1999 Braves
2000 Mets
2001 Diamondbacks
2002 Giants (I was still a big Bonds fan at the time. Meh)
2003 Marlins
2004 Red Sox
2005 Astros
2006 Tigers (my first Little League team was the Tigers, and I lived in Michigan for a year)
2007 Red Sox
Most of these are pretty loose rooting interests, except for supporting the Red Sox and supporting anyone playing the Yankees.
Again, I supported the Yanks when I lived in NY when the Mets didn't make it. There's no rule against it.
An incumbent mayor who is viewed favorably by only 39% of his constituents is unpopular, Rich. I guess it's just all those left wing partisans responding to the poll.
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