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Tuesday, November 20, 2012

Yankees.com: Kuroda re-signs with Yankees on one-year deal

Good deal.  Now I have a point in the free agent contest.

Hiroki Kuroda will be back with the Yankees next season on a one-year contract. The Yankees did not release details, but ESPN’s Buster Olney reported the deal to be worth $15 million, plus incentives of less than $1 million.

Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: November 20, 2012 at 10:52 PM | 18 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: free agents, hiroki kuroda, transactions, yankees

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   1. charityslave is thinking about baseball Posted: November 21, 2012 at 12:12 AM (#4307277)
Just about everybody got that one in the prediction contest.
   2. akrasian Posted: November 21, 2012 at 12:31 AM (#4307281)
Yeah, Kuroda's good - but he's not worth the salary PLUS a first round pick for one season. The salary alone - yes.
   3. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: November 21, 2012 at 12:58 AM (#4307291)
Sounds like a good deal to me. His performance last year was certainly worthy of $15 mil and this doesn't affect their ability to get under the luxury tax line for 2014.
   4. RollingWave Posted: November 21, 2012 at 01:53 AM (#4307299)
It is mildly Amusing / Sad that...

2008-2012

Kuroda: 14.3 WAR

Matsuzaka: 4.5 WAR

(Granted, Matsuzaka's first year year in 07 had a WAR of 3.8 and he had just 2 health season in this span.. but still)

   5. Bhaakon Posted: November 21, 2012 at 02:17 AM (#4307301)
2008-2012

Kuroda: 14.3 WAR

Matsuzaka: 4.5 WAR


Just pitchers being pitchers.
   6. Greg K Posted: November 21, 2012 at 05:35 AM (#4307309)
Kuroda's quietly putting forward a case for best Japanese pitcher in MLB history isn't he?
The main competition is Nomo, or am I forgetting someone else.
   7. RollingWave Posted: November 21, 2012 at 06:01 AM (#4307310)
Amazingly, Takashi Saito's best season is amongst the best WAR performance by a Japanese pitcher... and he was a reliever.

That says more about how freaken brilliant that season was though.

   8. Darren Posted: November 21, 2012 at 07:01 AM (#4307314)
Yeah, Kuroda's good - but he's not worth the salary PLUS a first round pick for one season. The salary alone - yes.


For the Red Sox, they'd have gotten Kuroda + Kurdoda not on the Yankees - 2nd round pick. That's worth quite a bit.
   9. Blastin Posted: November 21, 2012 at 07:23 AM (#4307316)
Kurdoda not on the Yankees


As a Yankee fan, I hope this guy is good!
   10. Blastin Posted: November 21, 2012 at 07:24 AM (#4307317)
Double post. Did you know it says you can only post every ten seconds? I wonder if, in some of the political threads, people actually post every 15.
   11. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: November 21, 2012 at 08:48 AM (#4307330)
Kuroda's quietly putting forward a case for best Japanese pitcher in MLB history isn't he?
The main competition is Nomo, or am I forgetting someone else.


No other Japanese pitcher has had five good seasons, except relievers (Saito, and Shigetoshi Hasegawa).

Tomo Ohka has a surprising 10.8 career WAR. He was very good for the Expos after repeated false starts with the Red Sox. Still only had 3 seasons of more than 110 innings.
   12. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: November 21, 2012 at 09:47 AM (#4307360)
Kuroda's quietly putting forward a case for best Japanese pitcher in MLB history isn't he?
The main competition is Nomo, or am I forgetting someone else.

no, you're not

(Darvish certainly has a chance to catch him, though)
   13. CFiJ Posted: November 21, 2012 at 09:58 AM (#4307368)
Kuroda's quietly putting forward a case for best Japanese pitcher in MLB history isn't he?
The main competition is Nomo, or am I forgetting someone else.


Best ERA+ seasons:
Nomo: 149, 131, 122, 112, 100
Kuroda: 126, 120, 114, 112, 106

Best WAR seasons:
Nomo: 4.9, 3.8, 3.8, 3.1, 2.4
Kuroda: 4.0, 3.9, 3.6, 2.2, 2.1

Guts 'n Glory:
Nomo: 2 no hitters, 0-2, 10.38 post-season record
Kuroda: 2-2, 3.94 post-season record

I guess career-wise, you gotta give it to Nomo, with his longevity, and slightly higher peak performance, and two no-hitters, while saying nothing pure value-wise, certainly count for something for certain definitions of "great". But Nomo never put together a five year stretch as good as Kuroda's, and Kuroda's been doing it from ages 33-37. Nomo was fading at those ages. If I'm going "narrative", it's all Nomo: first Japanese player since Murakami, longest career, 2 no hitters, thrilling debut and then late-career renaissance, piles and piles of strike-outs. But if I had to choose one to give me a season's worth of work, I go with Kuroda. It'll be interesting to see how much gas he has left in the tank.
   14. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: November 21, 2012 at 10:44 AM (#4307411)
Nomo gave back some of the value that he had accumulated in his last few seasons when he was toast.
   15. MHS Posted: November 21, 2012 at 11:10 AM (#4307439)
gave back


You can't give back value that has been accumulated once the season has ended. The book is closed so to speak. The fact that a future season maybe of less or negative value has no impact on the value that was provided to a previous team. Seasons are discrete, non overlapping events.


   16. The Keith Law Blog Blah Blah (battlekow) Posted: November 21, 2012 at 01:07 PM (#4307544)
Tomo Ohka has a surprising 10.8 career WAR. He was very good for the Expos after repeated false starts with the Red Sox. Still only had 3 seasons of more than 110 innings.

My favorite thing about Tomo Ohka is that he decided for three games in 2006 that he'd hit left-handed--and went 3-6.
   17. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: November 21, 2012 at 01:29 PM (#4307561)
I was commenting on his career value.
   18. Walt Davis Posted: November 21, 2012 at 03:22 PM (#4307670)
Don't forget one of those no-hitters was in Coors Field.

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