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Thursday, July 27, 2017

Yankees have a new ace — and reason for Sonny Gray restraint | New York Post

Talk about holding velocity. He was still hitting 99-100 MPH late in his appearance. Watching him throw 100 MPH on one pitch, then drop an 83 MPH sinking change on the corner was very impressive.

“That term gets thrown around loosely these days,” longtime former ace CC Sabathia said when I asked him whether Severino had earned that moniker. “But yeah, for what that term is, yeah, he is.”

“He’s thrown the best all year for us,” Girardi, who fielded the same question before Wednesday’s game, said of Severino. “You can call him what you want. Some people call him that.”

Jim Furtado Posted: July 27, 2017 at 09:28 AM | 31 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: July 27, 2017 at 10:01 AM (#5500590)
A 97.6 MPH average FB will carry you a long way in this game.
   2. Lassus Posted: July 27, 2017 at 10:05 AM (#5500593)
The DL isn't really a long way.
   3. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: July 27, 2017 at 10:13 AM (#5500601)
We need a durable starter like Wilbur Wood.
   4. rconn23 Posted: July 27, 2017 at 10:32 AM (#5500617)
Just because Severino looks like an ace doesn't mean they shouldn't try to get Gray. After this season you are losing Pineda, possibly C.C. and Tanaka who can opt out. Sevy can't pitch every day.
   5. PreservedFish Posted: July 27, 2017 at 10:35 AM (#5500619)
Sevy can't pitch every day.

Not with that attitude.
   6. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: July 27, 2017 at 10:39 AM (#5500626)
Just because Severino looks like an ace doesn't mean they shouldn't try to get Gray. After this season you are losing Pineda, possibly C.C. and Tanaka who can opt out. Sevy can't pitch every day.

Who are you giving up?

They can have CC back if they want him. A Tanaka opt-out would be a good thing right now.
   7. rconn23 Posted: July 27, 2017 at 10:52 AM (#5500640)
For Gray? If the rumors of Mateo and Florial are true, I'd do that in a second. There's a lot of talent there, but they may just be toolsy guys and nothing else. Mateo was pretty lousy in Single-A before his recent hot streak in Trenton.

Gray's only concern, and it's a big one, are injuries. But if he stays healthy, he's pretty awesome. He had two tremendous seasons before the injury last year. And his stuff looks like it's back to form. At his best, he's been better than Quintana. Quintana though has obviously been more durable.
   8. GeoffB Posted: July 27, 2017 at 10:59 AM (#5500651)
I'd do Florial and Mateo (and a couple of much lower-level prospects) for Gray too. A Severino-Gray-CC-Tanaka-Montgomery rotation would go a long way toward helping secure a wild card spot (and outside chance at the division title). With Severino pitching the Wild Card Playoff game, there's a good chance the Yankees would be back in a playoff series. They have little chance of getting by Houston, but it would be great exposure for the kids and a few $$$ for the team.
   9. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: July 27, 2017 at 11:22 AM (#5500675)
I'd do Florial and Mateo (and a couple of much lower-level prospects) for Gray too.


It all comes down to price. Gray is a hot commodity, not sure if that package beats the other teams involved. And I'm ok with that, I think Mr. Cashman knows where to draw his line in the sand and not get goaded into going beyond that.
   10. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: July 27, 2017 at 11:31 AM (#5500679)
For Gray? If the rumors of Mateo and Florial are true, I'd do that in a second. There's a lot of talent there, but they may just be toolsy guys and nothing else. Mateo was pretty lousy in Single-A before his recent hot streak in Trenton.

I'd be OK with that. But, I wouldn't give up anyone better than Florial.
   11. APNY Posted: July 27, 2017 at 11:49 AM (#5500687)
If Florial and Mateo gets you Gray it's basically the A's (and the rest of the league) admitting they expect Gray to completely break down very soon.
   12. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: July 27, 2017 at 11:52 AM (#5500689)
If Florial and Mateo gets you Gray it's basically the A's (and the rest of the league) admitting they expect Gray to completely break down very soon.

But, since MLB knows almost nothing about why pitchers get hurt, I'd take the risk.
   13. rconn23 Posted: July 27, 2017 at 12:09 PM (#5500702)
"If Florial and Mateo gets you Gray it's basically the A's (and the rest of the league) admitting they expect Gray to completely break down very soon."

Nah, I mean you could say that about 70 percent of the pitchers in the league. Chris Sale has defied the laws of science for years.

   14. rconn23 Posted: July 27, 2017 at 12:19 PM (#5500708)
Also, if you take a trade package request as a sign that the other player being traded for is going to break down, then Billy Beane must have thought Josh Donaldson was going to immediately get hit by a falling piano.
   15. Khrushin it bro Posted: July 27, 2017 at 02:12 PM (#5500839)
I hope the A's don't trade Gray for anything less than Torres or Frazier as the headliner. They can keep him and trade him later he seems like he's back to being awesome.
   16. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: July 27, 2017 at 02:43 PM (#5500872)
I hope the A's don't trade Gray for anything less than Torres or Frazier as the headliner.

The Yankees, IMHO, would be insane to trade either for Gray. Frazier has got a 124 wRC+. He's probably as good as Sonny Gray right now, beside being free and controlled for 6 more years.

Torres is still the #3 prospect in baseball. You don't give up top-5 prospects for pitchers of Gray's quality. The guy has a 114 career ERA+, not 140, with injury issues to boot.
   17. The Yankee Clapper Posted: July 27, 2017 at 02:50 PM (#5500876)
I hope the A's don't trade Gray for anything less than Torres or Frazier as the headliner.

That's just not happening. Mateo & Florial would be a pretty good haul for Gray. Don't get greedy.
   18. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: July 27, 2017 at 02:59 PM (#5500883)
Or get greedy and live with what you have to settle for. Maybe some team does blink and offer an elite prospect or cost-controlled up-and-coming MLBer. Mr. Cashman has a good track record in trades and doesn't bid against himself, I think he has a good idea of what pieces he wants to hold on to for the Yankees' future and he won't deviate from that.
   19. Captain Supporter Posted: July 27, 2017 at 03:16 PM (#5500906)
I'd personally rather forget Sonny Gray entirely, let Adam Warren start now that you have 5 other quality relievers (I'd prefer Chance Adams but he is on an innings limit so that won't work), and keep doing everything we can to obtaining even more top flight prospects (e.g, by trading Dellin Betances, although hos recent struggles probably have killed that idea). That strategy has worked fine so far (Judge, Severino, maybe Bird, Frazier, Montgomery, et. al.) with Torres, Sheffield and others in the wings. Why deviate from it for a player that very well might not even help you?

If i was going to make this kind of a trade it would be for something as close to a sure thing as you could get. Sonny Gray isn't it.
   20. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: July 27, 2017 at 03:32 PM (#5500937)
Depends on the price. If that price is Mateo and Florial and some filler, sure, I'll roll the dice on Sonny Gray staying reasonably healthy through 2019. If that price starts to include that plus some combination of Adams, Andujar, Sheffield, Wade, etc., then no, I don't think it's in the Yankees' best interests to up the ante.

Obviously Torres and Frazier are off the table, I don't think they'd even be in continued discussions if Oakland was requiring one of the two to make a deal.
   21. Jose is an Absurd Doubles Machine Posted: July 27, 2017 at 03:35 PM (#5500944)
The Yankees, IMHO, would be insane to trade either for Gray. Frazier has got a 124 wRC+. He's probably as good as Sonny Gray right now, beside being free and controlled for 6 more years.

Torres is still the #3 prospect in baseball. You don't give up top-5 prospects for pitchers of Gray's quality. The guy has a 114 career ERA+, not 140, with injury issues to boot.


I agree about Frazier, but I think Torres might be worth trading. He's just suffered a major injury, what's the history of position players coming back from this kind of injury? Isn't that what happened to Wieters? He's never been the same (sample size of 1, should be meaningful). How many others? Depending on what they think this might be a time to deal high on Torres.

Or of course it could be a catastrophic mistake and Torres could be a superstar.
   22. bigglou115 is not an Illuminati agent Posted: July 27, 2017 at 03:44 PM (#5500957)
I hope the A's don't trade Gray for anything less than Torres or Frazier as the headliner. They can keep him and trade him later he seems like he's back to being awesome.


I remember when the Braves kept saying that about Teheran, "his value is only going to go up, why shouldn't we ask for Benentendi and Moncada." With pitchers you can rarely get peak value, the timing is just to hard, if a guy is doing good and he's healthy and you don't think he's part of the next good team then I think most teams would be well served to get the best they can in that moment.
   23. Khrushin it bro Posted: July 27, 2017 at 03:48 PM (#5500962)
I hope the A's don't trade Gray for anything less than Torres or Frazier as the headliner.

That's just not happening. Mateo & Florial would be a pretty good haul for Gray. Don't get greedy.


I'd rather keep him at this point then. Only getting one top 100 prospect is being greedy?
   24. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: July 27, 2017 at 03:52 PM (#5500970)
I agree about Frazier, but I think Torres might be worth trading. He's just suffered a major injury, what's the history of position players coming back from this kind of injury?

I think TJ for hitters is fairly routine.
   25. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: July 27, 2017 at 03:56 PM (#5500983)
It isn't even on his throwing arm. I think this is a best-case scenario for TJ surgery to the extent that there is a best-case scenario - a position player's non-throwing arm.
   26. Khrushin it bro Posted: July 27, 2017 at 03:57 PM (#5500985)
Quintana netted the #7 and #68 prospects on mlb's rankings. Gray doesn't have quite the same value but is in the ballpark.
   27. Jose is an Absurd Doubles Machine Posted: July 27, 2017 at 04:00 PM (#5500992)
It isn't even on his throwing arm. I think this is a best-case scenario for TJ surgery to the extent that there is a best-case scenario - a position player's non-throwing arm.


I'd agree with this.
   28. bfan Posted: July 27, 2017 at 06:17 PM (#5501119)
I think this is a best-case scenario for TJ surgery to the extent that there is a best-case scenario - a position player's non-throwing arm.


isn't the elbow important in the swing, at least as to generating bat speed?
   29. A triple short of the cycle Posted: July 27, 2017 at 06:29 PM (#5501123)
If the A's don't get back a high-ceiling, high-floor CF prospect for Gray I will be disappointed. Victor Robles, Clint Frazier, etc.
   30. Khrushin it bro Posted: July 27, 2017 at 06:43 PM (#5501134)
If Barretto can play CF they could get a better SS and move Semien to 2B. Big if.
   31. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: July 28, 2017 at 07:30 AM (#5501338)
isn't the elbow important in the swing, at least as to generating bat speed?


Nobody is saying baseball players don't use their arms.

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