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Yankees Manager Aaron Boone Says MLB Should Consider Adding Mercy Rule

The New York Yankees have been on both ends of blowouts this season, and manager Aaron Boone thinks adding a mercy rule in MLB “might be ... worth exploring.”

“I think there would be a benefit to that,” Boone said Friday, according to the New York Post’s George A. King III. “You would probably eliminate a lot of the unwritten rules, people running or swinging. It would be like, if you get to this point after seven innings or whatever, there might be something to that and worth exploring.”

Boone’s team lost 19-5 to the Cleveland Indians on Thursday night—a game in which he used designated hitter Mike Ford at pitcher for the last two innings.

“It is not fun to obviously put a position player in that situation,” Boone added.

Why on Earth are you giving Rob Manfred more bad ideas?

 

QLE Posted: August 17, 2019 at 03:46 AM | 32 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. The Duke Posted: August 17, 2019 at 08:37 AM (#5872101)
C’mon Boone you’re having a bad night. I feel for you

Tighten
   2. JJ1986 Posted: August 17, 2019 at 09:15 AM (#5872104)
Would he also like a tenth fielder and for all of his players to bat in the lineup at once?
   3. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: August 17, 2019 at 09:21 AM (#5872106)
So should the team then be required to offer refunds to any fan wearing a shirt of the losing team? Why should the players get all the benefits?
   4. My name is RMc and I feel extremely affected Posted: August 17, 2019 at 09:38 AM (#5872110)
“I think there would be a benefit to that,” Boone said Friday, according to the New York Post’s George A. King III.


Anybody else read this name and think, "Wait, King George III is a baseball writer now? I thought went crazy after he lost the colonies."
   5. SoSH U at work Posted: August 17, 2019 at 09:39 AM (#5872111)
“It is not fun to obviously put a position player in that situation,” Boone added.


Wasn't there a thread just yesterday about how much fun it was?

   6. Rennie's Tenet Posted: August 17, 2019 at 11:11 AM (#5872118)
They may have reached the point where no one who works inside the game can relate to the average fan.
   7. Greg Pope Posted: August 17, 2019 at 11:16 AM (#5872121)
Anybody else read this name and think, "Wait, King George III is a baseball writer now? I thought went crazy after he lost the colonies."

I did have to read it a few times. My first reading I just assumed that the Post had some sort of section named after King George III for some weird reason. I got through the quote after before my brain kicked in and said, "Wait, what?"
   8. Jose is Absurdly Unemployed Posted: August 17, 2019 at 01:47 PM (#5872143)
“It is not fun to obviously put a position player in that situation,” Boone added.


You’ve got 12 or 13 pitchers on your staff. If you don’t want to use a position player, you don’t have to.
   9. Tom Nawrocki Posted: August 17, 2019 at 02:11 PM (#5872149)
Nestor Cortes, who preceded Ford on the mound, faced one hitter! Just leave him in, ya moron!
   10. Brian C Posted: August 17, 2019 at 02:49 PM (#5872170)
I'm with Boone here. When oh when will someone finally take mercy on the poor pitiful Yankees?
   11. SoSH U at work Posted: August 17, 2019 at 03:57 PM (#5872183)
I did have to read it a few times. My first reading I just assumed that the Post had some sort of section named after King George III for some weird reason. I got through the quote after before my brain kicked in and said, "Wait, what?"


That's the chap who refused to give an MVP vote to Pedro.
   12. Howie Menckel Posted: August 17, 2019 at 05:09 PM (#5872195)
the Yankees just beat the Orioles 172 consecutive times, hitting 8 or 10 HR per game - but THIS is the mercy rule that MLB needs?
   13. Sweatpants Posted: August 17, 2019 at 06:23 PM (#5872205)
That's the chap who refused to give an MVP vote to Pedro.
...because a pitcher could not, in his opinion, be as valuable as a position player. At least not in 1999 baseball - in 1998, he had Rick Helling and David Wells as two of the ten most valuable players in the AL.
   14. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: August 17, 2019 at 06:39 PM (#5872207)
...because a pitcher could not, in his opinion, be as valuable as a position player.


But what if that pitcher IS a position player, like Ford. Clearly, his position in this column is based in a desire to eliminate a potentially disastrous paradox, a motive I'm sure we can all appreciate.
   15. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: August 17, 2019 at 07:21 PM (#5872212)

Boone’s team lost 19-5 to the Cleveland Indians on Thursday night—a game in which he used designated hitter Mike Ford at pitcher for the last two innings.

“It is not fun to obviously put a position player in that situation,” Boone added.
I know I'm not saying anything new here, but it's just insane that managers handle pitching staffs so ridiculously in today's game that with 93-man bullpens they still feel the need to resort to using position players.
   16. Hank Gillette Posted: August 17, 2019 at 09:01 PM (#5872233)
There is nothing stopping a manager from forfeiting, is there? I mean, aside from the unwritten rules?

Mercy rules are fine for Little League, but when you are getting paid, you should just suck it up.

Also, unless the trailing team is willing to forfeit, they have no right to get upset by the other team doing anything possible to score more runs.
   17. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: August 17, 2019 at 10:50 PM (#5872259)
After almost 20 years of the "God Bless America" seventh inning stretch, any mercy rule would be too little, too late.
   18. Jose is Absurdly Unemployed Posted: August 17, 2019 at 11:01 PM (#5872261)
There is nothing stopping a manager from forfeiting, is there? I mean, aside from the unwritten rules?


I assume that would be seen as throwing a game and result in lifetime banishment.

I recall this happening in the minors a few years ago (maybe a decade?). Some single A manager brought in an outfielder to pitch in like the 16th inning and had him walk in the winning run to end the game so he didn’t get a pitcher hurt. I think the manager may have gotten a lifetime ban which always felt a bit harsh to me.
   19. stevegamer Posted: August 18, 2019 at 03:01 AM (#5872272)
I think a mercy rule could work well. Can we put mercifully Boone out of baseball before he has to think again?
   20. QLE Posted: August 18, 2019 at 04:05 AM (#5872274)
I assume that would be seen as throwing a game and result in lifetime banishment.

I recall this happening in the minors a few years ago (maybe a decade?). Some single A manager brought in an outfielder to pitch in like the 16th inning and had him walk in the winning run to end the game so he didn’t get a pitcher hurt. I think the manager may have gotten a lifetime ban which always felt a bit harsh to me.


On the other hand, the one forfeit caused by a manager refusing to let his team take the field in the last hundred years didn't end that manager's career- then again, it was a case of Earl Weaver going nuts over a tarp, so it probably was perceived as par for the course for him.
   21. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: August 18, 2019 at 10:21 AM (#5872294)
I know I'm not saying anything new here, but it's just insane that managers handle pitching staffs so ridiculously in today's game that with 93-man bullpens they still feel the need to resort to using position players.

On its face it's insane, but when you break it down, not so much. Take the current Yankees-Indians series as as example.

On Thursday the game got quickly out of hand, and Boone used his bullpen innings eaters before going to Ford. Then on Friday and Saturday, he used his only 4 reliable relievers (Ottavino, Kahnle, Britton and Chapman) in both games, so they're unlikely to be used today.

And meanwhile, Sabathia's off the IL and is starting today, and it's not hard to imagine a repeat of Thursday's fiasco. At what point is it just stupid to throw any actual pitcher out there? Why waste the innings when the game is toast and you've got a position player (who in this case pitched at your alma mater to a sub-1.00 ERA in his senior year) willing to take one for the team? At some point a team losing by 93 runs has to channel its inner Clayton Williams and just relax and enjoy it.

And as you could see by his constant smiling during his shellacking, Ford got it. Where's the harm?
   22. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: August 18, 2019 at 10:47 AM (#5872300)
Then on Friday and Saturday, he used his only 4 reliable relievers (Ottavino, Kahnle, Britton and Chapman) in both games, so they're unlikely to be used today.
Maybe don’t use four relievers in every damn game?
   23. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: August 18, 2019 at 10:57 AM (#5872303)
On Thursday the game got quickly out of hand, and Boone used his bullpen innings eaters before going to Ford.

No he didn't. As pointed out above, Cortes threw 0.1 IP. He could have clearly finished the game.

   24. Jose is Absurdly Unemployed Posted: August 18, 2019 at 11:21 AM (#5872310)
And as you could see by his constant smiling during his shellacking, Ford got it. Where's the harm?


There’s no harm but also don’t cry about it if you’re Aaron Boone. They used three “real” relievers. They had to get through two innings. If Boone really doesn’t want to use a position player use Ottavino for two outs, Britton for two outs and Chapman for two outs. Or use Cortes for more than one batter.

I have no issue with Boone using Ford but I don’t want him to complain about it afterwards. He had plenty of options.
   25. Bote Man Posted: August 18, 2019 at 12:12 PM (#5872317)
Nestor Cortes, who preceded Ford on the mound, faced one hitter!

And as you could see by his constant smiling during his shellacking, Ford got it.

I guess we finally have the answer to the age-old question: "Have you driven a Ford lately?"
   26. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: August 18, 2019 at 01:50 PM (#5872338)

On Thursday the game got quickly out of hand, and Boone used his bullpen innings eaters before going to Ford.

No he didn't. As pointed out above, Cortes threw 0.1 IP. He could have clearly finished the game.


To what purpose?

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I have no issue with Boone using Ford but I don’t want him to complain about it afterwards.

No argument here. Boone's proposal is beyond stupid.

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And meanwhile, Sabathia's off the IL and is starting today, and it's not hard to imagine a repeat of Thursday's fiasco

As I was saying....
   27. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: August 18, 2019 at 04:42 PM (#5872383)
No he didn't. As pointed out above, Cortes threw 0.1 IP. He could have clearly finished the game.
That, although when one is down 9-1, I'm not sure why he was put in at all. Yeah, I know that Adams wasn't exactly pitching well. So what?
   28. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: August 18, 2019 at 04:47 PM (#5872384)
To what purpose?

So Boone didn't have to whine about using Ford. There's another guy in Trenton just as good as Cortes or Adams. Who care how tired they get, just send 'em down.
   29. bobm Posted: August 18, 2019 at 06:05 PM (#5872399)
[18]

A's coach Steverson banned by Cal

Stockton manager suspended for a year after intentional balks

By Danny Wild / MLB.com | July 3, 2012 1:40 PM

A bizarre storyline in Stockton on June 23 has left A's roving hitting instructor Todd Steverson with a year-long suspension from the California League.
Steverson was banned from the Class A Advanced Stockton Ports' dugout for a year after he admitted to ordering his pitcher to intentionally balk runners into scoring position in an effort to lose a lengthy extra-inning game against Modesto last month.

Steverson, who was filling in for vacationing Stockton skipper Webster Garrison, said he didn't want to risk injuring his players in a game that lasted more than five hours and led to position players taking the mound for both teams. The Cal League questioned Steverson's decision and the resulting impact it would have on the circuit's integrity.

On Monday, league president Charlie Blaney announced Steverson had been fined an undisclosed amount and banned from the Ports' dugout for a year.

"While Stockton interim manager Todd Steverson's intent was to protect his players from injury in the 17th and 18th innings of the Stockton vs. Modesto game on June 23, 2012, he made an error in judgment by instructing his pitcher to advance three base runners via intentional balk for the purpose of expediting the end of the game," Blaney said in a statement.

"The game ended properly with a base hit to score the winning run, but Mr. Steverson's decision to advance the opposing team's base runners into scoring position compromised the integrity of the game, which is paramount in this great game of ours.

"Therefore, Mr. Steverson has both been fined and is banned for one year from being in the dugout during any Cal League game effective June 24, 2012. The Oakland A's organization and Mr. Steverson have been very cooperative, apologetic and accepting of this decision."

The game, a 7-6 win by Modesto in 18 innings, was a marathon contest and forced both managers to send positions players to the mound after using up their bullpens. Stockton third baseman Tony Thompson pitched a pair of hitless innings before outfielder Josh Whitaker took the mound in the 17th frame. That inning, Whitaker issued a one-out walk to Modesto's Kyle Parker and then, under Steverson's orders, intentionally balked twice to send the 2010 first-round pick to third base. The Nuts failed to convert when Jared Clark, a first baseman who himself pitched the final three innings for Modesto, struck out and Jayson Langfels popped up to end the inning.

Stockton went down in order in the 18th, and after Dustin Garneau hit a leadoff single for Modesto in the bottom of the inning, Whitaker balked for a third time, moving Garneau into scoring position for Helder Velazquez, who connected on a walk-off single to right with the infield and outfield pulled in. The game lasted five hours and five minutes, 18 innings and featured 30 strikeouts and 22 walks.

Steverson defended his decision earlier this week, arguing that the development of his players and their health is more important than the outcome of a June game.

"We had a position player out there and I didn't want to put another position player on the mound and get him hurt," Steverson told the Modesto Bee. "I didn't get any of my pitchers hurt and I didn't get any position players hurt. So a game on June 23, 2012, well, these guys will be playing many more games more important than that."

[...]


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   30. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: August 18, 2019 at 08:36 PM (#5872418)
On Thursday the game got quickly out of hand, and Boone used his bullpen innings eaters before going to Ford.

No he didn't. As pointed out above, Cortes threw 0.1 IP. He could have clearly finished the game.

To what purpose?

So Boone didn't have to whine about using Ford.


IOW to please your tender sensibilities. Unfair as it may be, I don't think that's in Boone's job description. From all accounts he's doing a pretty good job of the requirements that are actually in it, MOY level by most accounts.

I agree that his idea of a "forfeit rule" is idiotic, but who cares what a manager (or a player) says in a moment of frustration? A much bigger problem for the game is all those blown balls and strikes calls that MLB has yet to address, while it takes several minutes to determine whether a baserunner has overslid the bag by a fraction of an inch after clearly beating the tag.
   31. Jose is Absurdly Unemployed Posted: August 18, 2019 at 10:05 PM (#5872435)
IOW to please your tender sensibilities. Unfair as it may be, I don't think that's in Boone's job description. From all accounts he's doing a pretty good job of the requirements that are actually in it, MOY level by most accounts.

I agree that his idea of a "forfeit rule" is idiotic, but who cares what a manager (or a player) says in a moment of frustration?


I don’t care one way or another if Boone complains about using a position player on the mound. What I (and others) are doing is offering ways he could have avoided it that are better than his idiotic mercy rule.

I do like that having seen what a shitshow replay is that you have such great confidence that robo-balls and strikes is just going to be smooth sailing.
   32. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: August 18, 2019 at 10:59 PM (#5872447)

IOW to please your tender sensibilities. Unfair as it may be, I don't think that's in Boone's job description. From all accounts he's doing a pretty good job of the requirements that are actually in it, MOY level by most accounts.

I agree that his idea of a "forfeit rule" is idiotic, but who cares what a manager (or a player) says in a moment of frustration?


Because it confirms my belief that Boone is an idiot, who is going to cost my favorite team dearly in the post season.

I have little confidence Boone can manage his pitching staff in October, this simply confirms my belief. He's stupid, and you can't fix stupid.

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