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1. salajander Posted: August 20, 2012 at 05:02 PM (#4212985)Is it? I thought .12 was basically just a few drinks (not that that makes it ok).
I was going to post something similar. A quick google search gives us a preliminary list of: Elijah Dukes, Carl Everett, Jordan Schafer, Strawberry and Gooden, Ozzie Canseco, and now Pineda.
Can't be. It's almost impossible to drive if you're legitimately drunk. The body has a way of shutting that down.
Figure .02 per drink, and then every hour you burn off .02 from your bloodstream, and... why risk it, walk to the damn bar or call a cab if you're gonna have more than a single Miller Lite (or an MLBPA-guaranteed car service, existence of which gives me no sympathy for these guys. At. All.) If Pineda's really "burly," given metabolism, could well be as low as .015 per drink, but still not worth it. At. All.
You can't be serious. I have had many occasions in my life where a legitimately drunk friend made it to a car and was cranking the engine. I guess it all turns on legitimately drunk, but they sure acted to that standard. Walking was a challenge; making a heavy machine go 75 mph would have been a dangerous mess.
Good to know. Turns out I've been way too conservative on this (kidding).
Those levels are okay in the Dominican Republic so he should have diplomatic immunity.
Maybe that's what Josh Hancock believed. He did, after all, live and die in Missouri.
I agree. This will start the usual firestorm here, but ideally it would .1 and higher for DUI offenses. Anyone other than teenager is going to be slightly impaired, but not at a qualitatively different level than say being tired, at .08 and below.
I have heard it rumored that alcohol, instead of making you better-looking, actually makes you stupid. If only there was any proof!
I also forgot he was a Yankee (but not a TRUE YANKEE)
There's a good recent history out on this (Lerner's "One for the Road")... BAC limits started at .15, way back in the day, because that was some kind of scientifically-derived "definite impairment" level. It's been moved down & down, not because of new science, but because of the relative ease of convictions. All it's going to take is one really bad case where a carload of kids gets killed and the driver was at .06, and we'll be seeing .05 as the limit soon after.
Also, the words "weaving," "fixed gaze," "eyes were bloodshot, watery and glassy,” "distinct odor of an alcoholic beverage," and "slurred speech" are all part of the DUI Reporting Officer's Macro Key Set. You say your eyes weren't bloodshot? Your speech wasn't slurred? Well, it's your word against the cop's, buddy. Good luck.
Yeah, absolutely shocking that someone who's drunk might exhibit poor judgment.
That's why I always just do 20%.
Not to defend any of this stuff, but it 's nowhere near as simple as just calling a cab.
Well, it is that simple if you have enough sense to call a cab to get to the bar in the first place.
This is the primary problem with "don't drive after drinking." The real key is to get people to stop driving before they're drinking. Drunk people making bad decisions is par for the course. Get them to make the right decision when they're sober and not drive to the bar.
Of course I lived several years without a car in not particularly non-car-friendly Chapel Hill (unless you lived walking distance to campus) ... and not driving to the bar had no effect on my (ridiculously high as it turned out) chance of getting into a car with somebody drunk behind the wheel. So it's not a perfect solution but at least you've got carpooling drunks which is better for the environment at least.
This isn't hard.
a)call a cab to take you back to your car
b)have a friend pick you up and go get it
c)have someone drive your car home. They actually have a service for that
d)walk back to your car
e)mass transit back to your car
f)bike back to your car
Any and all of these options are all logistically easier than circumnavigating the glove with Magellan by a good deal.
Using my own experience as a fairly heavy drinker (averaging about 30 drinks a week) I'd say I could drive 90% as well on that amount. Everyone that has experienced driving after 4-6 drinks, knows that this is "buzzed" driving and not drunk driving. Is "buzzed" driving ok? I dunno. Personally, at this stage of intoxication I have noticeably worse reflexes, but I'm also hyper-aware that I have reduced capabilities and thus compensate by covering the break, going slower, reducing distractions, etc.
At around .15 and over, my brain starts to forget I have reduced capabilities and the part of me that wants to go fast has started to take over.
It's silly imo to arrest people for driving buzzed. The vast majority of fatalities involving drinking and driving are done by drivers that are drunk, not buzzed, but drunk:
To wit:
It's asinine to not differentiate in the name of some "slippery slope" "zero tolerance" policy. That the penalties for .08 and .18 are usually identical, is the height of special interest spurred government idiocy.
Eh, that's probably a little on the high side these days I guess. I find myself averaging about three a day. When I turn 30 here in a year it's probably time to start thinking about my heart and liver.
He's not.
Meh, drink heavy two nights and pepper 10 drinks over the other five and you are there. It's a steady pace, but pretty doable.
The reason I avoid driving even buzzed -- and I'll generally avoid driving after 2 or 3 drinks (and 3 would usually require a meal) -- is that this "hyper-awareness" tends to focus on things like the five-oh or following traffic laws to a 'T'. I think the bigger danger is that you're so focused on not getting pulled over that might miss something like another bad driver or someone running out between cars - I like to think I'm a pretty good driver; I've avoided a few accidents that would have totally been on the other guy... but I'm not so sure I'm alert enough to avoid those things if I'm so dead focused on spotting a cop.
I tend to enjoy my drink, too -- but I'm also lucky to live in an urban area where transit and cabs are plentiful. I exited my young and stupid phase without a DUI or alcohol fueled crash, so I guess I just feel like why push it?
Exactly. I used to know a guy who claimed the best way to avoid a DUI was to drive real fast down side streets with the headlights off. This ######## drove a big-ass van and was pretty much permanently drunk. I have no idea how he never killed anybody (or at least, never got caught killing anybody).
This is a remarkably evocative description of Wilson Betemit's defense.
YaztremYasztremYatrzemskiThat Carl guy from the Red Sox.You mean the guy on the science committee who knows a ton about legitimate dinosaurs?
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