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Tuesday, February 20, 2018

Yankees, Rays, D-backs swing three-way deal

D-backs get:
Steven Souza Jr. (from TB)
Taylor Widener (Yankees’ No. 14 prospect)

Yankees get:
Brandon Drury (from ARI)

Rays get:
Anthony Banda (D-backs’ No. 4 prospect)
Nick Solak (Yankees’ No. 8 prospect)
Two players to be named later (from ARI)

Jim Furtado Posted: February 20, 2018 at 08:23 PM | 68 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Walt Davis Posted: February 20, 2018 at 08:51 PM (#5627768)
Kind of a funny deal. The Yanks get a solid enough bench player for #8 and #14 prospects which I guess is OK. Drury's job to maybe start the year and provide insurance on Torres and Andujar (and plays a bit of OF, apparently badly). DBacks get Souza which is an odd JDM consoloation prize with Dickerson and Braun/Santana possibly available. But it seems to have cost them nothing but their #4 and 2 PTBNLs (presumably worse than their #4). The Rays get ... an even lower payroll and 4 longshots.
   2. The Duke Posted: February 20, 2018 at 09:16 PM (#5627775)
Seems like a typically good Rays deal
   3. Shibal Posted: February 20, 2018 at 09:22 PM (#5627779)
One would expect the Rays to win more if they had a habit of pulling off good deals.
   4. Howie Menckel Posted: February 20, 2018 at 09:31 PM (#5627784)
Drury has 132 MLB G at 2B, but also 62 in LF + 32 in RF, and 41 at 3B
   5. sotapop Posted: February 20, 2018 at 09:34 PM (#5627785)
Terrible deal for my Rays. Souza quietly put up a 4.2 WAR season last year (30 HR, plus-defense and speed does that), and he's the most likable player on the team. My fellow Rays fan friends are freaking out over this, almost as much as they did over Longo. Souza's beloved down here.

Dumping all four of your legit power threats (Longo, Dickerson, Souza and Morrison) in one offseason does not seem to be a winning move.
   6. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: February 20, 2018 at 09:40 PM (#5627786)
Rays be tankin'.
   7. The Yankee Clapper Posted: February 20, 2018 at 10:00 PM (#5627793)
Yankees DFA outfielder Jabari Blash to make room on the roster for Drury. He's the guy they got from San Diego for Chase Headly & Bryan Mitchell (and cash), so not much return there, other than the roster space.
   8. Zonk is One Individual Posted: February 20, 2018 at 10:42 PM (#5627797)
DBacks get Souza which is an odd JDM consoloation prize with Dickerson and Braun/Santana possibly available.


IDK - Souza reminds me a bit of Martinez.... under-respected late bloomer - trade some offensive capabilities for some glove. Seems like the DBacks did the best here.

Jabari Blash was a bit of sleeper prospect in Seattle about 5-6-7 years ago, but at 28, he's destined for the Rolando Roomes all-stars: quasi-prospect busts you wish had a career because their names were so awesome.

Boof Bonser, Stubby Clapp, and Razor Shines welcome him to the team.

They're all rooting for Touki Toussant, but have a uni ready just in case...
   9. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: February 20, 2018 at 10:54 PM (#5627801)
Blash is good, but there's no way he chases Wonderful Terrific Monds III to the all-names bench.
   10. Zonk is One Individual Posted: February 20, 2018 at 11:06 PM (#5627804)
It's a golden age for guys on the cusp... still active in the minors and nearing the names circuit - you've also got Sicnarf Loopstock, Montana DeRapau, Rock Shoulders, Cheslor Cuthbert, Rangel Ravelo, and Joey Pankake.
   11. Walt Davis Posted: February 21, 2018 at 12:55 AM (#5627816)
No matter how much I may have jokingly said it, I never thought I'd actually not be able to name a position player on a ML team but the Rays have me stumped. Mallex Smith was there for a while, is he still there? Is Boggs back to DH? I can at least name Chris Archer so it's not a total shutout yet. I'm not joking. I mean I know somebody will mention somebody and I'll say "oh yeah, I should have remembered he was there" but there's not a single position player I can think of that I'm certain is on their roster.
   12. Random Transaction Generator Posted: February 21, 2018 at 12:57 AM (#5627817)
you've also got Sicnarf Loopstock

How ####### high were his parents when he was born?
Francis, backwards?! Was he a breach birth?!
   13. Walt Davis Posted: February 21, 2018 at 01:03 AM (#5627818)
On Souza ... he could be a late-blooming star but it was just a 121 OPS+ last year, his first time over 100. JDM has put up a 149 over the last 4 years and he's only a year older (or 1.5 if you want).

I guess Souza makes sense for the DBacks relative to Santana or Dickerson. He's probably cheaper in the short term, has 3 years control left and cost them very little in trade.

Checked -- Kiermaier, is he still there? He's making more than min so I doubt it will be for long.
   14. shoelesjoe Posted: February 21, 2018 at 01:09 AM (#5627819)
Drury's home/away stats are absolutely brutal. He better have a hell of a glove if he's going to carry a .650 OPS in pinstripes.
   15. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: February 21, 2018 at 01:35 AM (#5627823)
Rock Shoulders
Slab Bulkhead

Butch Deadlift

Splint Chesthair

Big McLargeHuge...
   16. Blastin Posted: February 21, 2018 at 05:42 AM (#5627832)
Drury's home/away stats are absolutely brutal. He better have a hell of a glove if he's going to carry a .650 OPS in pinstripes.


He's going to a pretty good hitters' park. But he just has to keep second base warm for Torres anyway.
   17. ??'s Biggest Fan! Posted: February 21, 2018 at 07:03 AM (#5627836)
oh good. the yankees just freed up Torres and Andujar for that trade for Zack Greinke. Coz you know, rookies are unreliable and pitching, pitching, pitching.
   18. I Am Not a Number Posted: February 21, 2018 at 07:09 AM (#5627840)
Francis, backwards?!

Apparently this is a thing. Nomar Garciappara was sort of named after his father Ramon. A Canadian teenager who sadly committed suicide after on-line bullying was named Rehtaeh, which seems like an exotic foreign name but is just Heather spelled backwards.

Not sure if Oprah Winfrey was so-named to honour Harpo Marx (frankly, I am guessing not) but she did name her production company Harpo Inc.
   19. TomH Posted: February 21, 2018 at 07:37 AM (#5627845)
Oprah Winfrey was named "Orpah" on her birth certificate after the biblical figure in the Book of Ruth, but people mispronounced it regularly and "Oprah" stuck.
   20. Zonk is One Individual Posted: February 21, 2018 at 08:16 AM (#5627858)
On Souza ... he could be a late-blooming star but it was just a 121 OPS+ last year, his first time over 100. JDM has put up a 149 over the last 4 years and he's only a year older (or 1.5 if you want).


True, but like I said - trade some offense for a far better glove.

Souza is a pretty good defender... Martinez... well, isn't.

Not saying I'd trade Martinez for Souza straight up - just that the DBacks did a pretty nice job replacing him. Going from Tropicana to Chase shouldn't hurt Souza, either.
   21. Brian Posted: February 21, 2018 at 08:44 AM (#5627871)
Is Oprah playing RF in Tampa this year?
   22. Brian Posted: February 21, 2018 at 08:51 AM (#5627874)
Serious question: looking to buy a retirement property and one of the criteria is big league baseball in the area. We've been honing in not far from Tampa ... is that a smart long term play? I don't want to buy a house close to the Spring Training home of the Montreal Rays.
   23. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: February 21, 2018 at 09:08 AM (#5627881)
Drury's home/away stats are absolutely brutal. He better have a hell of a glove if he's going to carry a .650 OPS in pinstripes.


He does not appear to have a hell of a glove. He does appear to be average-ish at 2B and has experience at 3B and OF, but it's his bat combined with that versatility that likely attracted the attention of Mr. Cashman. Entering his age-25 season and signed for peanuts, Drury offers some potential upside as his prime years approach. A perfectly reasonable move for the Yankees, despite the quality of prospects given up.
   24. Nasty Nate Posted: February 21, 2018 at 09:11 AM (#5627885)
Smart move by the Yankees.
   25. stig-tossled, hornswoggled gef the typing mongoose Posted: February 21, 2018 at 09:18 AM (#5627890)
Rock Shoulders
Slab Bulkhead

Butch Deadlift

Splint Chesthair

Big McLargeHuge...


Somewhere, Crunch Hardtack weeps.
   26. Blastin Posted: February 21, 2018 at 09:53 AM (#5627907)
The last ARI IF with potential upside worked out pretty well for us.
   27. McCoy Posted: February 21, 2018 at 10:02 AM (#5627910)
Rock Shoulders turned into a HoF slugging god in one of my iterations of OOTP. Never could duplicate it in any other run of the game. But for 7 or 8 seasons he was like a first baseman version of Barry Bonds.
   28. DL from MN Posted: February 21, 2018 at 10:23 AM (#5627933)
Kind of surprised the Rays didn't grab Jabari Blash in the deal given their lack of RH hitting outfielders.
   29. Zonk is One Individual Posted: February 21, 2018 at 10:38 AM (#5627946)
Kind of surprised the Rays didn't grab Jabari Blash in the deal given their lack of RH hitting outfielders.


If they do, they'll still lack for RH hitting outfielders....
   30. asinwreck Posted: February 21, 2018 at 10:51 AM (#5627965)
In a more just world, Lastings Milledge and Alifornia Jones have plaques in the Hall of Fame.
   31. JRVJ Posted: February 21, 2018 at 11:25 AM (#5628007)
I dunno.

The Yanks farm system is supposed to be top 5. This is ALL they get for their 8th prospect (plus their 14th prospect)?
   32. The Yankee Clapper Posted: February 21, 2018 at 11:36 AM (#5628016)
Serious question: looking to buy a retirement property and one of the criteria is big league baseball in the area. We've been honing in not far from Tampa ... is that a smart long term play? I don't want to buy a house close to the Spring Training home of the Montreal Rays.

Extra Innings and MLB.TV are your friend here, but if you're retiring to Florida, your options are limited to Tampa-St.Pete or Miami for the in-person fan experience. My guess is that the lack of a zillionaire buyer & a government willing to build a suitable stadium anywhere else keeps the Rays put. But have you considered the soon to constructed, climate-controlled BDC Dome?
   33. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: February 21, 2018 at 11:38 AM (#5628019)
Kind of surprised the Rays didn't grab Jabari Blash in the deal given their lack of RH hitting outfielders.


Blash is more of a RH whiffing outfielder. Good athlete, though.

Edit: Coke to Zonk, I guess.
   34. Blastin Posted: February 21, 2018 at 11:38 AM (#5628020)
Solak was like their 7th 2b in the depth charts. He was simply superfluous.
   35. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: February 21, 2018 at 11:38 AM (#5628021)
The Yanks farm system is supposed to be top 5. This is ALL they get for their 8th prospect (plus their 14th prospect)?

Solak is their #10 per Sickels, and is not top-10 per Baseball America.

Also, the Yankees system is highly rated mostly because of the depth. Per Sickels they have B prospects down to #11, C+/B- prospects dpwn to #18, and C+ talent down to #47.
   36. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: February 21, 2018 at 11:45 AM (#5628026)
Also, the Yankees system is highly rated mostly because of the depth.


That, and they also have a relatively large number of high-ceiling guys among their low minors prospects. Gives them a good amount of potential upside.
   37. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: February 21, 2018 at 11:47 AM (#5628027)
No matter how much I may have jokingly said it, I never thought I'd actually not be able to name a position player on a ML team but the Rays have me stumped.


Kiermaier is probably the easy answer here. Until he gets traded, anyway.
   38. Blastin Posted: February 21, 2018 at 12:09 PM (#5628045)
They have Denard Span too since he was in the return for Longoria.
   39. sotapop Posted: February 21, 2018 at 12:58 PM (#5628083)
Rays signed Kiermaier to a long-term deal a few years back, and -- more importantly -- they're hanging *all* of this year's marketing on him. (Seriously, everything from the Rays on my FB feed has KK's face on it.) He's probably the last guy they could trade now.

*knocks on wood*
   40. Baseballs Most Beloved Figure Posted: February 21, 2018 at 01:30 PM (#5628127)
Somewhere, Crunch Hardtack weeps.

Bolt VanderHuge
Hack Blowfist
Smash Lampjaw
Reef Blastbody
Beat Punchbeef
   41. Brian Posted: February 21, 2018 at 01:42 PM (#5628148)
BDC Dome? Is that planned for Vegas? Agreed about the Extra Innings package being a great substitute but would ideally want to go to 10-15 games in person each season.
   42. The Yankee Clapper Posted: February 21, 2018 at 02:00 PM (#5628160)
BDC Dome? Is that planned for Vegas?

That's the Rangers new ballpark, which will - to the delight of one of the more prominent Primates - replace the decrepit, sweltering inferno they are currently forced to play at
   43. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: February 21, 2018 at 02:02 PM (#5628161)
They (TB) just added Carlos Gomez, there's a right handed hitting outfielder.
   44. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: February 21, 2018 at 02:07 PM (#5628165)
They (TB) just added Carlos Gomez,

Seems like the Rays are adopting the Billy Beane pointless roster churn philosophy.
   45. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: February 21, 2018 at 02:56 PM (#5628220)
Kind of. It's not pointless - their payroll will be lower after they're done... and I could see arguments where you'd say that the players going out are worse deals (Odorizzi if you think he's only a fifth starter going forward, ZiPS projects Dickerson to be a below average starter) than those coming in (Gomez has posted more than 2 f-WAR in 6 of the last 7 years, etc...)^. It's not a whole hog Houston-style tankapalooza, it's not a whole hearted run for a playoff spot -- I think we should be okay with teams trying to simply be decent and hoping that they catch a few breaks along the way, particularly given all the concerns people have shown with teams actively pursuing badness.

^ - I do not agree with all of these arguments, but they are credible.
   46. Howie Menckel Posted: February 21, 2018 at 04:14 PM (#5628272)
Chapman says Drury "has a leg up" in the starting 3B competition. huh
   47. Walt Davis Posted: February 21, 2018 at 05:12 PM (#5628306)
#20 -- sure ... IF he puts up the 121 OPS+ again but that's the first time he's hit in the majors and he's turning 29. A 100 OPS+ and good glove in RF is a solid but average player. He has a higher upside but it's hardly a given he'll be better than Gomez, the guy the Rays replaced him with.
   48. Walt Davis Posted: February 21, 2018 at 05:25 PM (#5628313)
#31 -- Drury was a top 100 overall prospect himself just two years ago so (a) yeah, that's a decent get for your #8 and #14 prospects and (b) is emblematic of a good outcome for a bottom 100 prospect. When it comes to prospects after about #50 or so it's (a) very random on ordering; (b) you can pretty much ignore them unless they're young in which case you wait to see if they rise up the rankings.

Also the Yanks system is top 5 overall because Torres is still a "prospect." Once he gets his X PAs, they'll be mid-pack probably -- 2nd best prospect at MLB.com is Florial ranked #44 overall. #8 in a top 5 system might sound good, #7 on a list headed by Florial not so much (although 4 others are in the top 100).
   49. The Yankee Clapper Posted: February 21, 2018 at 05:41 PM (#5628322)
Chapman says Drury "has a leg up" in the starting 3B competition. huh

I assume that was Cashman, not Aroldis. It's a competition. No one ever said that Torres or Andujar were guaranteed Opening Day jobs. Torres hasn't played since June 17th and only has 55 games above A ball. Lots of folks think he's good enough to win a MLB job now, but he could be a bit rusty. Similarly, Andujar has to show sufficient defensive ability to go with what is expected to be an above average bat. Saying Drury has "a leg up" just acknowledges that he has some MLB experience, and the Yanks have some idea what he can do at that level, not that his winning a starting job is the best outcome.
   50. Brian Posted: February 21, 2018 at 06:36 PM (#5628340)
That's the Rangers new ballpark,


Texas? Hmmmm ... hello MLB Extra Innings package. Maybe a trip down to Miami occasionally and a trip back to NYC to see friends around a visit to the Bronx.
   51. Count Vorror Rairol Mencoon (CoB) Posted: February 21, 2018 at 09:24 PM (#5628404)
Jablari Bash [sic] traded to the Angels for a PNTBL or cash ...
   52. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: February 21, 2018 at 11:45 PM (#5628449)
I imagine he'll be stashed in Salt Lake... he strikes out a lot and is streaky, but the power and patience could really play in a platoon role.
   53. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: February 21, 2018 at 11:55 PM (#5628455)
Serious question: looking to buy a retirement property and one of the criteria is big league baseball in the area.


Well if you can afford it, San Diego is really nice. I mean if you are going to retire, you can't beat La Jolla.
   54. Howie Menckel Posted: February 22, 2018 at 12:03 AM (#5628462)
I assume that was Cashman, not Aroldis.

heh, yeah

and agreed on San Diego
   55. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: February 22, 2018 at 05:44 AM (#5628494)
Not Denver proper, but northern Colorado has a number of beautiful cities with great amenities and natural beauty.
   56. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: February 22, 2018 at 07:49 AM (#5628505)
Unnamed NL Exec on Drury trade, other Yankees roles

“Our team grades him as solid everyday player. He's a pretty good defender with a plus arm that has some pop in his bat. Everyday player on 15 teams. Young, controllable - perfect for the organization."


Some interesting statements from the unknown exec on a variety of Yankees prospects and young players.
   57. Ben Broussard Ramjet Posted: February 22, 2018 at 08:16 AM (#5628511)
That unnamed NL exec seems to be awfully deep into the details of fringy Yankees prospects. The last few tweets in that chain in particular sound . . . I don't know. Fan-ish.
   58. PreservedFish Posted: February 22, 2018 at 08:18 AM (#5628512)
The Yanks have been terrific at getting these post-hype guys around age 25, 26. Didi is obvious. Aaron Hicks. Very smart approach.
   59. JC in DC Posted: February 22, 2018 at 08:30 AM (#5628518)
[57] None of the guys mentioned in that discussion are "fringy" prospects, unless I'm missing something. He talks about Chad Green, who pitched in the majors all last year, Chance Adams who everyone knows about, Torres, Tyler Wade (in the majors some last year) and Andujar. The fringiest guy is Estrada, who was in the news recently b/c he got shot, and again, who everyone knows about as he's borderline top 10 (I think BA has him #10, for instance).
   60. Ben Broussard Ramjet Posted: February 22, 2018 at 09:24 AM (#5628546)
Perhaps my mistake - I should have said 'players on the fringes of the roster'. Something about it just rang false to me for commentary from an exec in the other league. Green, Drury and Torres I'd expect an informed opinion on, but Wade? Maybe I'm just underestimating how deep roster and prospect knowledge is across the league. I suppose it could be a person specifically scouting the AL East.
   61. Brian Posted: February 22, 2018 at 09:58 AM (#5628563)
Well if you can afford it, San Diego is really nice. I mean if you are going to retire, you can't beat La Jolla.


Sweet smoking Jeezus! California real estate is insane.
   62. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: February 22, 2018 at 10:34 AM (#5628599)

Sweet smoking Jeezus! California real estate is insane.


As are their state income taxes. Might as well move to NY.
   63. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: February 22, 2018 at 11:18 AM (#5628652)
Perhaps my mistake - I should have said 'players on the fringes of the roster'. Something about it just rang false to me for commentary from an exec in the other league. Green, Drury and Torres I'd expect an informed opinion on, but Wade? Maybe I'm just underestimating how deep roster and prospect knowledge is across the league. I suppose it could be a person specifically scouting the AL East.


Heck, it could be an exec from Arizona or San Diego who just finished a detailed evaluation of the Yankees' system this off-season in advance of trades, or Pittsburgh who was in deep discussions with the Yankees on Gerrit Cole.
   64. Brian Posted: February 22, 2018 at 11:49 AM (#5628701)
Lol Snapper. I'm moving FROM NY! I was out in SD a few months ago and, while it's beautiful, I have trouble with beautiful beaches with water that is never really that warm. On the East Coast we tend to go in the water when we go to the beach. My house I'm selling is in a great town (NYC suburb) and is nicer than SD houses going for 3 times as much. NY property taxes are high, not sure what they're like in California.
   65. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: February 22, 2018 at 11:52 AM (#5628710)
Lol Snapper. I'm moving FROM NY! I was out in SD a few months ago and, while it's beautiful, I have trouble with beautiful beaches with water that is never really that warm. On the East Coast we tend to go in the water when we go to the beach. My house I'm selling is in a great town (NYC suburb) and is nicer than SD houses going for 3 times as much. NY property taxes are high, not sure what they're like in California.

My point exactly. NY is less expensive than CA.
   66. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: February 22, 2018 at 04:18 PM (#5629024)
Sweet smoking Jeezus! California real estate is insane.


Well you didn't mention a budget. Snapper you aren't complaining about high taxes are you? Don't you live somewhere near Westchester so we know you're doing ok.

I live on Sydney's north shore, insane doesn't begin to describe the property prices here.

I was out in SD a few months ago and, while it's beautiful, I have trouble with beautiful beaches with water that is never really that warm.


The water gets to be 72 in the summer, is that too cold?
   67. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: February 22, 2018 at 04:34 PM (#5629029)
Snapper you aren't complaining about high taxes are you? Don't you live somewhere near Westchester so we know you're doing ok.

I do live in Westchester, I am doing OK, and I still complain about taxes. Not so much the level, but the waste.
   68. Brian Posted: February 22, 2018 at 06:38 PM (#5629080)
Hugh, I guess my point is the air temp is almost always beach weather but the water? Not so much.

I also live in Westchester with crazy taxes and I was shocked how expensive SD is.

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