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Tuesday, September 25, 2007

Yankees Rookies Dress Up in Oz Costumes

and extra Grapewin shares for everybody!

Joba Chamberlain raised his oversized paws, shook his shaggy brown mane and let out a feeble roar. Looking and acting every bit the Cowardly Lion, the big reliever was ready for a scrap Monday.

“Put ‘em up! Put ‘em up!” he said, playfully challenging Jason Giambi and Mike Mussina. No takers — they were laughing too hard at Chamberlain’s head-to-toe costume.

It was rookie hazing day for the New York Yankees, and this well-worn baseball tradition came with a theme: The Wizard of Oz.

Repoz Posted: September 25, 2007 at 04:17 AM | 39 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Cutter Posted: September 25, 2007 at 04:30 AM (#2541164)
Grapewin shares?
   2. HowardMegdal Posted: September 25, 2007 at 04:41 AM (#2541171)
What's puzzling about this is that Joba played the Tin Man in both college and the minors.

I think this is a risky strategy so late in the season, though my understanding is that he will not be allowed to discover he had courage within himself all along two days in a row.
   3. Guapo Posted: September 25, 2007 at 04:48 AM (#2541175)
I got really baked before today's game and watched it with the sound turned down and "Dark Side of the Moon" on. It synced up perfectly.
   4. Chip Posted: September 25, 2007 at 05:18 AM (#2541189)
When it comes to expressing your inner gay man, there's crossdressing, and then there's the full "Friends of Dorothy." Anyone who's ever seen the Halloween parade in the Village knows which are the bigger flamers.
   5. J. Michael Neal Posted: September 25, 2007 at 07:32 AM (#2541224)
I loathe hazing in all its forms. I mostly find Cornell hockey annoying, and the fans whiny, but when Mike Schaefer took over as coach, he banned all forms of hazing, and instead made the freshmen write an essay on some aspect of Cornell hockey history. That I approve of.
   6. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: September 25, 2007 at 11:20 AM (#2541235)
Shelly Duncan was the Scarecrow, but I'm not sure it really worked, based on this photo, Shelly seems to mostly look like a poorly dressed pimp
   7. Russ Posted: September 25, 2007 at 11:36 AM (#2541238)

I think this is a risky strategy so late in the season,


I was thinking that the timing was a bit inappropriate. I guess you're just blowing off steam or whatever, but if I were on the Yankees, I would have tried to resist this kind of mindless BS. You're about to go into the playoffs where you've got to play some teams that are pretty tough. I'm always the kind of guy that thinks more focus = better. When you're relaxing, then do something a bit more productive than screwing around with the rookies. I also find this sort of thing more than a little bit homophobic, which doesn't exactly increase my regard for it. It doesn't take as much as you think to go from this to sodomizing someone with a broom (as happened with my school's football team last year).

However, I was always the "too serious" guy on my rec teams, so take my opinion with an additional grain of salt (in addition to how many grains it's usually taken with). But I hated the hazing... useless in all cases, counterproductive in most, and generally just an excuse for people who should be sticking up for each other to be mean to each other.
   8. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: September 25, 2007 at 11:58 AM (#2541248)
I was thinking that the timing was a bit inappropriate.

It's always getaway day for the last road trip of the season. Matsuzaka was a teletubbie last week -- not sure if he was the gay one or not :). It's fair enough to say the tradition should be abandoned if you think it's mindless BS, but they weren't going to do it any other time.
   9. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: September 25, 2007 at 12:08 PM (#2541251)
Scoff if you want, but rookie hazing may have saved Kyle Denney's life a couple years ago. At the very least, it spared him serious injury.
   10. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: September 25, 2007 at 12:09 PM (#2541252)
“Put ‘em up! Put ‘em up!” he said, playfully challenging Jason Giambi and Mike Mussina. No takers — they were laughing too hard at Chamberlain’s head-to-toe costume.
That's an impressively specific allusion.
I also find this sort of thing more than a little bit homophobic, which doesn't exactly increase my regard for it.
Well, sure, hazing is usually a projection of the homoeroticism that is endemic to the homosociality of a ballclub. A ritual for straight men to work out what society will not recognize in their lives. That's what's so scary about hazing gone wrong - it turns into gay bashing and gay rape, but of straights.

I guess that does make it a pretty problematic thing from the get-go, but I think that a ritual, if run by a bunch of well-meaning, responsible people, doesn't have to be counterproductive at all times. If there's a sense of fun, I think the stronger homophobia can be defused and it can allow people to enjoy in full a homosociality that's usually (fpr them) frightening and guarded. A carnival kinda thing.
   11. IronChef Chris Wok Posted: September 25, 2007 at 12:16 PM (#2541257)

It's always getaway day for the last road trip of the season. Matsuzaka was a teletubbie last week -- not sure if he was the gay one or not :).


He was the Green one, they made his interpretor be the gay one.

And yes, I'd like to become a MLB interpretor one day.
   12. GGC for Sale Posted: September 25, 2007 at 12:24 PM (#2541263)
I got really baked before today's game and watched it with the sound turned down and "Dark Side of the Moon" on. It synced up perfectly.


An Oscar Gamble for #3!
   13. villageidiom Posted: September 25, 2007 at 12:30 PM (#2541268)
I was thinking that the timing was a bit inappropriate.
Traditionally for the Yankees, they have to wait for September call-ups to have enough rookies to haze.
   14. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: September 25, 2007 at 12:34 PM (#2541271)
IMO, hazing = quasi-legalized bullying. There is no place for it.
   15. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: September 25, 2007 at 12:44 PM (#2541279)
Grapewin shares?
Charlie Grapewin played Uncle Henry in the Wizard of Oz
   16. Fly should without a doubt be number !!!!! Posted: September 25, 2007 at 12:44 PM (#2541281)
Hazing = quasi-legalized bullying. Dressing a millionaire as a television character != hazing.
   17. Poochie Mahoney Posted: September 25, 2007 at 12:47 PM (#2541284)
I was hoping someone would dress up like Schillinger.
   18. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: September 25, 2007 at 12:51 PM (#2541288)
Dressing a millionaire as a television character != hazing.
2 quibbles. Are Joba and the other rookies millionaires yet? Why isn't it hazing? They are forcing people to make fools of themselves.

EDIT: Fixed grammar. I'm pretty anal about that.
   19. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: September 25, 2007 at 12:53 PM (#2541289)
Joba's probably not a millionaire after taxes and his agent's cut, but he did sign for a $1.1 million bonus.
   20. The Original SJ Posted: September 25, 2007 at 01:07 PM (#2541300)
Last year they dressed everyone up as George Steinbrenners?

Where are those pictures, because that is awesome.
   21. The Marksist Posted: September 25, 2007 at 01:09 PM (#2541303)
This is one of those issues where it's hard to draw the line. Hazing (the practice in general) is bad news. Leads to a lot of dangerous and nasty situations and it is/can be very emotionally damaging. Of course, this instance sounds pretty harmless, but condoning it sets you on a slippery slope.
   22. Jundt Posted: September 25, 2007 at 01:10 PM (#2541304)
When it comes to expressing your inner gay man, there's crossdressing, and then there's the full "Friends of Dorothy."

So, where on the scale does Oscar De Le Hoya fall??
   23. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: September 25, 2007 at 01:13 PM (#2541307)
This is one of those issues where it's hard to draw the line. Hazing (the practice in general) is bad news. Leads to a lot of dangerous and nasty situations and it is/can be very emotionally damaging. Of course, this instance sounds pretty harmless, but condoning it sets you on a slippery slope.
I hate it and like it when someone else expresses my thoughts much better than I can.
   24. Mister High Standards Posted: September 25, 2007 at 01:17 PM (#2541309)
The into should have been a schilinger comment.
   25. GGC for Sale Posted: September 25, 2007 at 01:31 PM (#2541323)
My high school initiation was lame. The seniors made us stand up on a table in the caf and made us sing. It was 25 years ago so my memory is, um, fuzzy. The jocks probably had to endure more (Nair in their cup, etc.), but I never heard any stories of rum, lash, or sodomy at my school.
   26. Fly should without a doubt be number !!!!! Posted: September 25, 2007 at 01:43 PM (#2541339)
Why isn't it hazing? They are forcing people to make fools of themselves.

I think this is the difference in our opinion. I don't think anyone found Joba in a lion costume to be foolish, nor did they think that of Daisuke in a Teletubby costume. It's just a stupid tradition that everyone expects to see, and gives the reporters their human interest story for the week.
   27. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: September 25, 2007 at 01:43 PM (#2541340)
In high school, there was no official hazing but we had it on the bus. I was a pudgy 5'4" who didn't know how to fight and had to be an ashtray from a senior. Only had to collect the ashes, he didn't put it out in my hand or anything. You could be smacked on the back of the head at any time by any upper classman. It was really degrading. After a couple of months, I told the senior I wasn't going to do it any more. I was really scared to say anything but finally worked up the nerve. He seemed almost relieved as I think he only did it to go along with the crowd. The next year we didn't do anything to the new freshmen.
There was a small boarding component to the school and I heard some stories about more physical abuse in hazing there.

In college, for a week we were supposed to do the beanie thing and were supposed to stop and answer questions from non-frosh whenever we were asked. Some of the older students took particular delight in making our lives miserable. After 2 days a bunch of us decided to f'it, chucked the beanies and responded to questions and demands with elegant responses like "Screw you". After a day, no one was wearing beanies any more. As in HS, there was no sanctioned or unsanctioned hazing the next year.

Both of these incidents have left me with the strong feeling that there is no good that can come from hazing. The best result you can hope for is harmless.
   28. jspies Posted: September 25, 2007 at 01:47 PM (#2541346)
I don’t think that hazing/initiation rituals are necessarily harmful. In many cases they can be useful in exactly the way they are indented, to form a shared history and sense of comradery. The problem is when the people involved dehumanize the entrants. As with allot of institutions, there is a basic value, but when the institution is used inappropriately it becomes a very bad thing. Here it looks like it was done well, everyone involved seems happy, and it most likely made the rookies feel appreciated and welcome.
   29. Cowboy Popup Posted: September 25, 2007 at 01:59 PM (#2541358)
Both of these incidents have left me with the strong feeling that there is no good that can come from hazing. The best result you can hope for is harmless.

Just because you had bad experiences from a few hacks doesn't mean hazing is exclusively harmful. Hazing, when directed by appropriate tradition and a sense of purpose and conducted by responsible and sober people can bring a lot out of an individual or a group of men. It absolutely has it's purpose in today's "no dodgeball allowed" society.

However, Sorority hazing is the probably the worst thing ever.
   30. SoSH U at work Posted: September 25, 2007 at 02:00 PM (#2541359)
My high school initiation was lame. The seniors made us stand up on a table in the caf and made us sing. It was 25 years ago so my memory is, um, fuzzy. The jocks probably had to endure more (Nair in their cup, etc.), but I never heard any stories of rum, lash, or sodomy at my school.


Well, if you combined them, and the participants were forced to sing selections from Rum, Sodomy & The Lash, it would be the greatest hazing event ever.
   31. rr Posted: September 25, 2007 at 02:05 PM (#2541362)
Sorority hazing is the probably the worst thing ever


Not if you get to watch.
   32. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: September 25, 2007 at 02:08 PM (#2541366)
Hazing, when directed by appropriate tradition and a sense of purpose and conducted by responsible and sober people can bring a lot out of an individual or a group of men.
There are plenty of team building exercises, etc. that can be done without hazing. I just don't see where hazing gives you anything that a more "mature" (as in evolved) approach can give you. Of course, if I understood what you meant by this: It absolutely has it's purpose in today's "no dodgeball allowed" society, maybe I'd understand where you are coming from. :)
   33. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: September 25, 2007 at 02:10 PM (#2541367)
I've never experienced any hazing myself, but I can think of at least one instance where it is very beneficial. All military boot camps have a good deal of hazing (conducted by highly trained professionals of course), which does a great deal to build unit cohesion and instill the traditions of the institution.
   34. The Original SJ Posted: September 25, 2007 at 02:18 PM (#2541375)
Of course, if I understood what you meant by this: It absolutely has it's purpose in today's "no dodgeball allowed" society, maybe I'd understand where you are coming from. :)

I believe he is saying we are grossly overprotective of kids, and in general big giant pussies.
   35. aleskel Posted: September 25, 2007 at 02:19 PM (#2541376)
jeez guys, I had no idea this was going to lead to a descussion of the dangers of hazing. I agree that the more abusive forms are dangerous and disgusting, but this was just good fun. Obviously the rookies were enjoying it themselves, so what's the harm?

Last year they dressed everyone up as George Steinbrenners?

yup. Andy Phillips had the best line: "now, where's my golf cart?"
   36. Cowboy Popup Posted: September 25, 2007 at 02:20 PM (#2541378)
Of course, if I understood what you meant by this: It absolutely has it's purpose in today's "no dodgeball allowed" society, maybe I'd understand where you are coming from.

It's now illegal to play dodgeball with children in some states. Not just in school, but in camps as well. Kids, specifically boys, who grow up in that kind of culture, need to be able to prove themselves under some sort of duress. It's not fair to upper middle class white young men, whose parents have robbed them of most of their opportunities to prove themselves. Hazing gives them that opportunity, should they choose to join a frat. Not that all frat hazing or team hazing is productive, but it is important to give those kids their chance to fight through something.

This is just a theory of mine I worked up while hazing upper middle class white boys and comparing them to the African kids I was hazing. The African kids had a much different reaction to it.

Edit: What Otto said.
   37. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: September 25, 2007 at 02:21 PM (#2541382)
All military boot camps have a good deal of hazing (conducted by highly trained professionals of course), which does a great deal to build unit cohesion and instill the traditions of the institution.
While I've never been convinced that this approach is the only way it can work, I can have tolerance where life and death hang in the balance.
I also think that residence programs from doctors are a kind of hazing. I am willing to believe (alhough I'm not convinced by any means) that residency:doctor::boot camp:military.
   38. Zach Posted: September 25, 2007 at 02:25 PM (#2541388)
Snapper has it right. Hazing is a natural response if you want some espirit de corps in an organization with a certain amount of turnover. There's a certain contradiction in saying that an organization is special and set apart from the world, but at the same time that unknown new guys can join it and become full members at once. So you put in a little symbolic ritual of passage.

At my college, the upperclassmen would all prank the frosh's rooms during the first frosh chem test (chemistry was required, and only a couple of freshmen would test out). There was an expectation that it would be fun and creative, and that the cooler frosh would get the more elaborate pranks. We'd usually move at least one pair of frosh's dorm room outside the frosh chem hall in its entirety, complete with working internet connection. I can see how it could suck if people got mean, but the frosh chem pranks were most people's favorite day of the year.
   39. The Polish Sausage Racer Posted: September 25, 2007 at 06:37 PM (#2541788)
I always understood military hazing to be part of the process of breaking down the individual psyche and personality destruction. That's fine for creating a Spartan military corps, but not so good if you're hoping for these people to return to society as normal human beings. It's a breeding ground for sociopathy, both for the hazer and the hazee.

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