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Yankees should trade for Paxton.

The Yankees have something special going on this season. The club owns a 30 - 13 record and has played stellar baseball for the last month or so. That’s not to say there isn’t room for improvement. The rotation, of course, stands out as the area in most need of an upgrade. The staff contains far more question marks than sure things. Reinforcements would help.

Yeah, the Mariners should ask for Torres, Andujar, Fraizer, and Sheffield.  They are only two games out of the wild card and have Paxton locked up to 2021.

EvilBoWeevil Posted: May 22, 2018 at 02:17 PM | 49 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. ??'s Biggest Fan! Posted: May 22, 2018 at 03:27 PM (#5677446)
Any team that negotiates with the Yankees will and should ask for those players as a return, even for the team’s last guy on the bench. You want Chasen Bradford? Frazier, Torres, Andujar, Adams and Sheffield. You want Paxton? Throw in Luis Severino, Sanchez and Judge along with those five guys. Given how high profile the farm system is, I’m not seeing any front office out there doing the Yankees a favor or even being reasonable. The Yankees have assets that can pretty much solidify three to five spots on your roster for one of your guys. Cheap, young players with major league ready production under control for the next five years is far more valuable than any pitcher. Regardless of how good that pitcher is.
   2. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: May 22, 2018 at 03:34 PM (#5677451)
I hate hate hate these kinds of articles. James Paxton is good, every team in baseball should trade for him. Now what's the cost? Ah, that's where it gets tricky. The writer does eventually delve into the cost with some pretty impressive stupidity;

It was just three years ago that the Bombers and Mariners engaged in discussions over the left-hander. Sherman reported that the talks revolved around a Brett Gardner for Paxton swap. If the interest existed then, it figures to remain today.


If the Mariners would listen to Gardner for Paxton the Yankees should put Gardner on a shiny modern airplane yesterday. That's a no brainer. That's also not happening. I don't think Evil and ??'s are quite being realistic either, somewhere between those two extremes is probably a reasonable offer.

I highly doubt a scenario where Paxton goes anywhere. He's a good pitcher who is locked up for 3 1/2 more years, why would the Mariners trade him but for an overpay and say what you want about the Yankees but they are a smart organization that isn't going to overpay for him. I expect them to move for a pitcher but I think it's going to be a guy like Hamels rather than a guy like Paxton. They've gone to the effort of putting together a hell of a young team why would they want to break it up?
   3. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: May 22, 2018 at 03:42 PM (#5677458)
George Weiss is dead and the KC A's are in Oakland.

Long gone are the days when teams would lap up any ol' garbage for their best player/prospect, simply because that garbage comes wrapped in the interlocking NY. If the Yankees want Paxton that badly, they should expect to pay through the nose for him.
   4. ??'s Biggest Fan! Posted: May 22, 2018 at 03:44 PM (#5677464)
The only problem with pitchers with Hamels’s profile is the ownership insistence on remaining under the luxury tax threshold. Not sure how Hamel’s contract impacts that luxury tax threshold for this year. Also, I can’t think of one ace pitcher brought in at the deadline that worked out for the Yankees. Sonny Gray was suppose to be that solid number two, how’s that working out? Jaime Garcia? Javy Vazquez anyone? Listening to local media, it seems like everyone on the Yankees are expendable as long as they get that mythical ace that will dominate October.
   5. SoSH U at work Posted: May 22, 2018 at 03:45 PM (#5677467)
Shouldn't the Mariners be trying to make the playoffs, since they're still in the No. 2 wildcard slot, rather than thinking about unloading their best pitcher?
   6. The Yankee Clapper Posted: May 22, 2018 at 03:47 PM (#5677468)
The Yankees aren't going to trade Gleyber Torres. Miguel Andujar might be available, or his possible replacement (if he slumps), Brandon Drury. Absent injury, it's going to be tough for Clint Frazier to find playing time this year, so he could be available for trade. However, I don't think any team is getting both for what is likely available. Or Sheffield

I wouldn't expect Seattle to trade Paxton while they're in contention, but with both Cano & Gordon out for an extended period it could look different at the deadline.

Greg Bird & Clint Frazier both HRed for Scranton last night, so they may continue to put pressure on the roster and build up their trade value.
   7. Rally Posted: May 22, 2018 at 03:48 PM (#5677472)
They are only two games out of the wild card


Nope. They are 1.5 games up for the second WC. Also 4.5 behind Boston for the first WC.

I agree that Yankees should want Paxton, if he were available.

Why should Seattle trade Paxton?
   8. Panik on the streets of London (Trout! Trout!) Posted: May 22, 2018 at 03:52 PM (#5677479)
Long gone are the days when teams would lap up any ol' garbage for their best player/prospect, simply because that garbage comes wrapped in the interlocking NY. If the Yankees want Paxton that badly, they should expect to pay through the nose for him.


I mean it was only a couple of months ago that the Marlins gave away Giancarlo Stanton. I understand the difference but that was pretty brutal.
   9. stig-tossled,hornswoggled gef the talking mongoose Posted: May 22, 2018 at 03:53 PM (#5677481)
They are only two games out of the wild card

Nope. They are 1.5 games up for the second WC. Also 4.5 behind Boston for the first WC.


Math is hard!
   10. rconn23 Posted: May 22, 2018 at 04:03 PM (#5677493)
A lot of Yankees fan believe if they bundle enough C-level prospects they can get anyone they want. Annoying, of course.

The flip side is, non-Yankee fans believe that the team should have to empty out a stocked farm system for a 29-year old pitcher who hasn't even thrown 150 innings in a season yet. I doubt the Mariners trade him as long as they are in contention, but if they do, a package led by either Andujar and Frazier should be enough. Torres is off the table, obviously.
   11. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: May 22, 2018 at 04:08 PM (#5677496)
If I'm the Yankees I'm dangling Andujar out there. I'm not sold on him. He reminds me of Will Middlebrooks, terrible K/BB rate and good but not great minor league numbers. I agree that Paxton isn't likely to move but I should think Andujar and a lower level prospect should get them a pretty solid pitcher.
   12. Panik on the streets of London (Trout! Trout!) Posted: May 22, 2018 at 04:11 PM (#5677501)
I don't think they should have to empty their farm system out but I think a small package with one legit prospect would be fair. I also agree with Jose that Andujar's walk/k rate is brutal.
   13. rconn23 Posted: May 22, 2018 at 04:20 PM (#5677505)
I'm not 100 percent sold on Andujar either but I think he's going to be a good player. His plate discipline is not good right now, but he's got real quick hands and he doesn't strikeout too, too much. That, and he's only 23. I'm probably in the minority but I'd trade him over Frazier, who I think will be the better player.


#12 I agree. I'd say two legit prospects would even be fair.

   14. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: May 22, 2018 at 04:22 PM (#5677509)
You want Chasen Bradford? Frazier, Torres, Andujar, Adams and Sheffield. You want Paxton? Throw in Luis Severino, Sanchez and Judge along with those five guys. Given how high profile the farm system is, I’m not seeing any front office out there doing the Yankees a favor or even being reasonable.


This is what 20 years of Free Yankee Money does to people. "Gimmie gimmie gimmie!"
   15. PreservedFish Posted: May 22, 2018 at 04:23 PM (#5677510)
They gotta trade Frazier at some point. Can't let the guy rot in AAA or on the bench. He should be starting somewhere.
   16. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: May 22, 2018 at 04:29 PM (#5677519)
Gardner's contract is up after this season. Frazier, Hicks, Stanton, and Judge, 3 OF + DH.
   17. PreservedFish Posted: May 22, 2018 at 04:32 PM (#5677521)
But where does Harper fit?
   18. Panik on the streets of London (Trout! Trout!) Posted: May 22, 2018 at 04:33 PM (#5677522)
But where does Harper fit?


on the North Side of Chicago.
   19. bookbook Posted: May 22, 2018 at 04:39 PM (#5677526)
For ten years, Yankees fans wrote about how the M’s should gift them Félix. The mantle has truly passed.
   20. jmurph Posted: May 22, 2018 at 04:40 PM (#5677528)
on the North Side of Chicago.

Do the Red Sox play in Wrigley next year? Huh, might need to make the trip.
   21. Tom Nawrocki Posted: May 22, 2018 at 04:55 PM (#5677540)

This is what 20 years of Free Yankee Money does to people. "Gimmie gimmie gimmie!"


Have Hank and Hal been getting Free Yankee Money for 20 years already? Time flies.
   22. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: May 22, 2018 at 05:03 PM (#5677547)
Typical moocher deflection. "Yeah I'm on food stamps but your food comes from farmers getting farm subsidies!"
   23. TJ Posted: May 22, 2018 at 05:09 PM (#5677554)
It was just three years ago that the Bombers and Mariners engaged in discussions over the left-hander. Sherman reported that the talks revolved around a Brett Gardner for Paxton swap. If the interest existed then, it figures to remain today.


Three years ago Brett Gardner was a still-in-late-prime outfielder coming off his lone All-Star season. James Paxton was a talented yet erratic/injury risk pitcher. If Seattle is still interested in Brett Gardner for anything more than a couple of C-level prospects, let alone James Paxton, then their entire front office should be fired and have their children taken away...
   24. Tom Nawrocki Posted: May 22, 2018 at 05:22 PM (#5677562)
"Yeah I'm on food stamps but your food comes from farmers getting farm subsidies!"


It's more like "I'm on food stamps but you were handed a billion-dollar asset for sitting around on your ass for 40 years."
   25. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: May 22, 2018 at 05:25 PM (#5677566)
Long gone are the days when teams would lap up any ol' garbage for their best player/prospect, simply because that garbage comes wrapped in the interlocking NY.

"Mr. Steinbrenner, Captain Jeets for you on line 1."
   26. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: May 22, 2018 at 05:26 PM (#5677567)
George Weiss is dead and the KC A's are in Oakland.

You took the words out of my mouth.

On that note, did anyone notice on the YES feed last night that Cone said that the Kansas City ROYALS used to be a Yankees' farm team? And nobody corrected him.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

But where does Harper fit?

on the North East Side of Chicago South Capitol Street.

FIFY.
   27. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: May 22, 2018 at 05:30 PM (#5677570)
They gotta trade Frazier at some point. Can't let the guy rot in AAA or on the bench. He should be starting somewhere.

They can start by platooning him with Gardner, and then let the best man win. Frazier's upside is much too great to be trading him at this point.
   28. The Yankee Clapper Posted: May 22, 2018 at 05:52 PM (#5677587)
Frazier's upside is much too great to be trading him at this point.

Well, one astute observer here has predicted that Clint Frazier will be the best of the Baby Bombers, and I believe he's overdue to be right about something, so I'm fine with keeping Frazier around until more playing time opens up next year. But the Yankees have been pretty good at scouting their own prospects, so if they let him go, they would disagree. They just need to be right.
   29. ??'s Biggest Fan! Posted: May 22, 2018 at 05:53 PM (#5677588)
I am greedy. Keep your prospects and work them all into your team. Frazier is up next as of spring training next year in LF. Fix Sonny Gray, a rotation of Severino, Tanaka, Sabathia and Gray is good enough along with their bullpen in a short series. Part of the fun of this team are the kids at the bottom of the order. Why ruin the roster with an overpay on a starter?
   30. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: May 22, 2018 at 06:23 PM (#5677604)
"Yeah I'm on food stamps but your food comes from farmers getting farm subsidies!"

It's more like "I'm on food stamps but you were handed a billion-dollar asset for sitting around on your ass for 40 years."


Now you're saying welfare and inheritance are equivalent? Oh comrade, comrade, have you no shame?
   31. bookbook Posted: May 22, 2018 at 10:36 PM (#5677800)
Ah, the noble accomplishment of having been born to the right parents.

It is truly worthy of accolades and awards. (Perhaps a Nobel prize?)
   32. Jarrod HypnerotomachiaPoliphili (TeddyF.Ballgame) Posted: May 23, 2018 at 12:27 AM (#5677887)
This truly marks the end of an era. Is it really so long since I read multiple versions of the same article, but with Felix Hernandez's name in place of Paxton's?
   33. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: May 23, 2018 at 05:52 AM (#5677904)
Ah, the noble accomplishment of having been born to the right parents.

It is truly worthy of accolades and awards. (Perhaps a Nobel prize?)


So we’ve gone from “inheritance is the equivalence of welfare” to “oh you must think inheritance makes you an amazing person”

I eagerly await the next addition to your flailing school of dishonest red herrings.
   34. Lassus Posted: May 23, 2018 at 08:23 AM (#5677919)
So we’ve gone from “inheritance is the equivalence of welfare”

This is in no way true, because getting welfare is a lot more work.
   35. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: May 23, 2018 at 09:06 AM (#5677931)
Also welfare mooches off everyone anonymously, while inheritance is freely given by individuals who know each other.

If you're especially clever you can be Wendy Selig and get both, along with an exhibit at the BBHOF.
   36. bookbook Posted: May 23, 2018 at 09:20 AM (#5677941)
Thanks to the vagaries of corporate welfare, large inheritances generally mooch off everyone anonymously.

At the levels of wealth inequality we have today, calcified by extremely permissive inheritance laws, it’s just a matter of time before social unrest costs us all much more than a generous safety net would.
   37. Panik on the streets of London (Trout! Trout!) Posted: May 23, 2018 at 11:09 AM (#5678032)
This convo is so full of straw men I don't even know where to begin.
   38. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: May 23, 2018 at 11:53 AM (#5678088)
Paxton's old news. Here's the updated Yankees boner:

Cole Hamels Advertises Himself to the Yankees by Beating Them
ARLINGTON, Tex. — As the Yankees have flexed their considerable muscle in the last month, giving the rest of baseball a peek at what an Evil Empire reprise might look like, an often-overlooked component of their sizzling run has been their starting pitching.

Still, October is a long way off and engendering confidence that anyone in the rotation beyond ace Luis Severino can regularly deliver command performances is a shaky proposition.

Some insurance for C.C. Sabathia’s fragile knee, Masahiro Tanaka’s balky splitter and Sonny Gray’s case of the nibbles would seem in order.

So, as the Yankees look for ways to separate themselves from the Boston Red Sox in the coming months — and perhaps later the defending champion Houston Astros and the Cleveland Indians — it may be hard to get Tuesday night’s game out of their heads.

Cole Hamels, the veteran left-hander with a sturdy playoff résumé, continued to deliver the type of performance a World Series contender would covet, shackling the Yankees for seven innings in the Texas Rangers’ 6-4 victory at Globe Life Park....

Hamels, who is making $23.5 million this season, would be attractive on several counts: He is an impending free agent, he is not likely to cost as much in prospects, and because he is a free agent, it would not impinge their pursuit next winter of Patrick Corbin, the Arizona left-hander, who could be joined on the free-agent market by Clayton Kershaw of the Los Angeles Dodgers.

Those type of pitchers seemed particularly tantalizing on Tuesday night. ...
   39. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: May 23, 2018 at 12:16 PM (#5678103)
At the levels of wealth inequality we have today, calcified by extremely permissive inheritance laws, it’s just a matter of time before social unrest costs us all much more than a generous safety net would.

Please. Our current inequality issues have exactly zero to do with people who benefit from the safety net. The bottom 10-20% of the population is always poor. It's definitional. We keep redefining poverty upward to keep that proportion.

Our real economic issue is that the 25th through 95th %-ile of households are no longer seeing wage growth, income growth, or improvements in their standards of living. The culprit is globalization.
   40. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: May 23, 2018 at 02:25 PM (#5678252)
So we’ve gone from “inheritance is the equivalence of welfare”

This is in no way true, because getting welfare is a lot more work.


Kissing George Steinbrenner's ass to stay in the will was hard work too!
   41. Hysterical & Useless Posted: May 23, 2018 at 03:32 PM (#5678344)
Kissing George Steinbrenner's ass to stay in the will was hard work too!


How much did he leave you Edmundo?

   42. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: May 23, 2018 at 04:34 PM (#5678398)
How much did he leave you Edmundo?


Unfortunately, the same as everyone else has left me.
   43. Tom Nawrocki Posted: May 23, 2018 at 04:51 PM (#5678406)
So we’ve gone from “inheritance is the equivalence of welfare”


Inheritance is the equivalent of getting something for nothing, which under some circumstances, you pretend to be opposed to.
   44. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: May 23, 2018 at 05:05 PM (#5678416)
Inheritance is the equivalent of getting something for nothing,

If you consider family relationships nothing.
   45. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: May 23, 2018 at 05:52 PM (#5678438)
I think he does.
   46. JJ1986 Posted: May 23, 2018 at 06:16 PM (#5678442)
In all the Steinbrenner-hullabaloo, people are missing how insane this statement is:
It was just three years ago that the Bombers and Mariners engaged in discussions over the left-hander. Sherman reported that the talks revolved around a Brett Gardner for Paxton swap. If the interest existed then, it figures to remain today.
The value of both of these players (and most players in the league) has changed dramatically over the past 3 years.
   47. Joe Bivens is NOT a clueless numpty Posted: May 23, 2018 at 06:24 PM (#5678445)
Fix Sonny Gray, a rotation of Severino, Tanaka, Sabathia and Gray is good enough along with their bullpen in a short series.


I agree!! That's a super solid rotation.
   48. Dog on the sidewalk Posted: May 23, 2018 at 08:12 PM (#5678485)
Before they DFA'd him, the Mets should've seen if the Red Sox were still interested in swapping Betts for Harvey.
   49. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: May 29, 2018 at 10:42 AM (#5681240)
Before they DFA'd him, the Mets should've seen if the Red Sox were still interested in swapping Betts for Harvey.


"Things I Never Thought I'd Say" for $1,000, Alex: Mesoraco and Harvey have been about on par with each other since the deal.

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