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Tuesday, March 26, 2013

Yankees sign Lyle Overbay to a minor league deal

Well, that didn’t take very long. Erik Boland of New York Newsday reports that Overbay has agreed to a minor-league deal with the Yankees just hours after being dropped by the Red Sox.

Boston has released Lyle Overbay, who signed a minor-league deal in January when the Red Sox were looking for depth at first base with Mike Napoli‘s health status uncertain.

Thanks to Mick.

Repoz Posted: March 26, 2013 at 04:41 PM | 31 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. SG Posted: March 26, 2013 at 04:58 PM (#4397073)
Take that haters!
   2. Nasty Nate Posted: March 26, 2013 at 04:59 PM (#4397075)
I predicted this weeks ago! Me and Cashman must have the same objective dealer.
   3. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: March 26, 2013 at 05:02 PM (#4397079)
Its all coming together in the Bronx. Just when people thought they were dead!
   4. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: March 26, 2013 at 05:06 PM (#4397085)
Looking at Overbay's numbers the last couple years, he looks like he could give similar production to Vernon Wells. Makes sense by the theory that if you get enough replacement level type guys, one of them is likely to give you a season approximating league average. (Unfortunately, this often results in giving a couple hundred at bats to guys having really bad seasons looking for the cubic zirconium in the rough)
   5. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: March 26, 2013 at 05:26 PM (#4397098)
Good luck with that, I guess.
   6. RJ in TO Posted: March 26, 2013 at 05:39 PM (#4397110)
At least Overbay is likely to provide good defense, to go with a not good but probably not terrible bat. There are certainly worse options out there.
   7. John Northey Posted: March 26, 2013 at 06:00 PM (#4397129)
Gotta love seeing ex-Jays going over to the dark side at the tail end of their careers. Positives for a Jays fan - odds are they won't help the Yanks, and if they do at least it is guys we like doing it.

Overbay has had an OPS+ of 110+ just once since 2006, last two years had an 89 over 571 PA. That isn't too useful at first base no matter how good his defense is. His bWAR has been under 1 per year since he left the Jays, in fact has been negative both years. Yeah, this is fun to watch.
   8. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: March 26, 2013 at 06:05 PM (#4397136)
I remember when a guy like Lyle Overbay signing with the Pirates was a sure sign that his career would have no further stops. Well, the Pirates have moved up in the world, because he's signed with the Dbacks, Braves, Red Sox, and Yankees since then.
   9. JoeHova Posted: March 26, 2013 at 06:13 PM (#4397142)
Why wouldn't the Brewers have signed Overbay to play 1st instead of Betancourt? Overbay is a former Brewer too if that was their main criteria (as it appears to have been). Plus, he was a guy the fans actually liked.
   10. Fernigal McGunnigle Posted: March 26, 2013 at 06:28 PM (#4397149)
Why wouldn't the Brewers have signed Overbay to play 1st instead of Betancourt? Overbay is a former Brewer too if that was their main criteria (as it appears to have been). Plus, he was a guy the fans actually liked.


I'd guess that Overbay would've taken the Yankees over the Brewers, if he was offered contracts by both. He's got more of a shot and significant MLB time in New York. Corey Hart is due back around May 1, I think, while Teixeira may be back in late May and may be out all year. So Overbay in Milwaukee only gets a month or so, but if he makes the team he might get a full year in New York.
   11. JoeHova Posted: March 26, 2013 at 06:39 PM (#4397155)
Maybe, but Yuni got a major league deal while Overbay only got a minor league one. That makes it seem like Yuni was valued more highly, although you could be correct in assuming that Overbay felt Teixeira would be out longer than Hart and made his choice based on that.
   12. JoeHova Posted: March 26, 2013 at 06:49 PM (#4397159)
Word on twitter is that Betancourt got a $1.4 million deal. I doubt a guy would turn that down for a minor league deal, but I could be wrong.
   13. joeysdadjoe Posted: March 26, 2013 at 06:49 PM (#4397160)
Kill me now.
   14. Zonk is a cagey fellow Posted: March 26, 2013 at 06:55 PM (#4397164)
Word on twitter is that Betancourt got a $1.4 million deal. I doubt a guy would turn that down for a minor league deal, but I could be wrong.


My lord... just.... wow....
   15. Walt Davis Posted: March 26, 2013 at 07:09 PM (#4397170)
So Doug Melvin was sitting in his palatial Miller Stadium office thinking ...

"My god! Lohse and Betancourt are both still available! I never thought I'd be able to find talent like that this late!"

As to the Yanks ... have they gotten some special dispensation to have a 30-man roster or something? Wells/Boesch/Rivera/Overbay/Hafner for 3 lineup spots seems a bit much in this day and age.
   16. Zonk is a cagey fellow Posted: March 26, 2013 at 07:15 PM (#4397172)
I don't think that twitter report can be right... I mean, he just got essentially released by Philly (technically, refused minor league assignment) -- so I think someone is having a bit of fun at cheeseland's expense.
   17. JJ1986 Posted: March 26, 2013 at 07:23 PM (#4397177)
Wells/Boesch/Rivera/Overbay/Hafner for 3 lineup spots seems a bit much in this day and age.


They could carry all 5 (or Dan Johnson instead of Overbay), but then who is the backup CF? Ichiro? Seems like Boesch might not make the roster.
   18. RollingWave Posted: March 26, 2013 at 08:36 PM (#4397204)
Can aquiring Jeff Mathias be that much further away?
   19. TerpNats Posted: March 26, 2013 at 10:18 PM (#4397234)
In the old days, this would have been perceived as the Yanks playing with the Bosox psyche. Now, it's simply one limping team taking a reject from another.
   20. catomi01 Posted: March 27, 2013 at 10:25 AM (#4397518)
but then who is the backup CF? Ichiro?


I think that was the plan unless someone like Mesa blew them away in the spring...he filled in there as the backup last season before Gardner was re-activated. When/if Granderson is healthy, the cf depth chart is him, gardner, ichiro...only reason anyone else gets in the mix is if someone else does other things well (namely hit lefties well enough to be in the lineup as a platoon player.)

My guess for opening day is something like this:

starters:
C cervelli
1B overbay
2B cano
3B Youkilis
SS Nunez
LF Boesch
CF Gardner
RF Ichiro
DH Hafner

Bench
Stewart (probably playing 1/3 or 2/5 games or so)
Nix (3B v. LH (Youk to 1st)
Wells (LF v. LH)
Rivera (DH v. LF)


I think I'd rather see Mustillier than rivera since he can stand in all 4 corners and probably handle second in an emergency, but the difference in the short side of a DH platoon for the early part of the season probably doesn't amount to too much. OF seems OK (not anyone's idea of good, but OK) but I'm more concerned with the infield - what little I've seen of Youk at this spring has just reinforced my opinion that he is not a 3B....don't know what else they could do, but getting him across the diamond to 1st would be a very good move (whether he hits enough to justify that is another open question) - combine that with Nunez's D at short...and there is a decent chance that 1/2 the infield are defensive liabilities (along with 3/4 being potential offensive liabilities - Youk should be OK - but in this line up he is a middle of the order type, not just a place-holder - that's a problem.

I'm not normally a sky is falling type of fan - but if this team has any issues on the pitching side, it could be a very long year.
   21. catomi01 Posted: March 27, 2013 at 10:30 AM (#4397524)
and two second after I typed this, I'm 99 % sure that I said the exact opposite in the winter - that the pitching was more of an Achilles heel than the offense...the difference a few months and a few injuries can make.
   22. Dan Posted: March 27, 2013 at 11:15 AM (#4397566)
My guess for opening day is something like this:


Keep in mind that Opening Day they're facing a lefty in Jon Lester, so its probably Rivera and Wells, possibly Nix as well, getting starts. I also expect Wells will play more than a strict platoon with Boesch would dictate. Rivera may start against some RHP too, though I'd expect Overbay to get more starts than Boesch.
   23. Squash Posted: March 27, 2013 at 12:11 PM (#4397633)
I had suspected the Lyle Overbay was one of the Dante Bichette All-Stars, a player who put up pretty good superficial stats but who under the hood had provided no actual value, but according to BB-REF he has some such 14 WAR for his career. Not bad.
   24. catomi01 Posted: March 27, 2013 at 12:28 PM (#4397644)
Keep in mind that Opening Day they're facing a lefty in Jon Lester, so its probably Rivera and Wells, possibly Nix as well, getting starts. I also expect Wells will play more than a strict platoon with Boesch would dictate. Rivera may start against some RHP too, though I'd expect Overbay to get more starts than Boesch.


I would agree with all of that, though I think the shine will wear off of rivera more quickly than wells.....if overbay looks good defensively, I could also envision them giving him the start virtually every day as opposed to a platoon...and that might actually be for the best if the upshot is getting juan rivera or jayson nix (who i like, just not starting more than once every week or two) more at bats.
   25. Matthew E Posted: March 27, 2013 at 01:27 PM (#4397701)
You know, if the Yankees want to complete the set of ex-Jays who play toward the sluggish side of the defensive spectrum and don't hit much these days, I'm sure they could have Adam Lind for a decent A-ball prospect.
   26. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: March 27, 2013 at 03:15 PM (#4397803)
Shea Hillenbrand is available.
   27. Johnny Sycophant-Laden Fora Posted: March 27, 2013 at 04:04 PM (#4397837)
I'm sure Roberto Petagine is available
   28. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: March 27, 2013 at 04:07 PM (#4397842)
John-Ford Griffin is available.
   29. Matthew E Posted: March 27, 2013 at 04:48 PM (#4397891)
Josh Phelps.
   30. Zonk is a cagey fellow Posted: March 27, 2013 at 04:54 PM (#4397898)
You know, if the Yankees want to complete the set of ex-Jays who play toward the sluggish side of the defensive spectrum and don't hit much these days, I'm sure they could have Adam Lind for a decent A-ball prospect.


Wouldn't that actually be an upgrade over at least Rivera and Overbay on the roster?
   31. catomi01 Posted: March 27, 2013 at 06:55 PM (#4397973)
John Olerud might be an upgrade over at least rivera at this point.

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