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Sunday, March 24, 2013

Yankees to acquire Vernon Wells

Won’t this take away AB’s from Exicardo Cayones or whoever!

The New York Yankees are on the verge of acquiring outfielder Vernon Wells from the Los Angeles Angels.

The Westchester (N.Y.) Journal-News, citing a source, said the deal will get done, despite the fact Wells has a no-trade clause and that the Angels, presumably, would have to pick up a significant amount of Wells’ salary.

The deal was first reported by Yahoo Sports and could be finalized Sunday afternoon. The Los Angeles Times reported that Wells’ nameplate was removed from his locker and his belongs packed at the Angels’ Tempe, Ariz. facility.

Later, as he left their complex, he told reporters there were still “approvals and loopholes” to jump through. “I have some good friends in there, great teammates,” he said. “Goodbyes are never easy.”

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   1. JJ1986 Posted: March 24, 2013 at 05:27 PM (#4395382)
That's not going to help their 2014 payroll.
   2. Chase Insteadman Wannabe Posted: March 24, 2013 at 05:28 PM (#4395383)
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
   3. Rafael Bellylard: Built like a Panda. Posted: March 24, 2013 at 05:30 PM (#4395386)
Heh Heh Heh....
   4. formerly dp Posted: March 24, 2013 at 05:31 PM (#4395387)
More than even the Keefe post, this made my day.

Though if the past is any indication, upon donning pinstripes, he'll rediscover his 2010 form.
   5. John Northey Posted: March 24, 2013 at 05:32 PM (#4395389)
As a Jays fan can I say hehehehe. Now, if Wells can have a bounceback to his old Jays peak season (120 OPS+) then it will be a 'aargh' but at least it would be for a player I like.
   6. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: March 24, 2013 at 05:33 PM (#4395391)
Jesus, now the Yankees are flat out DARING ASKING TELLING me to ignore the entire 2013 season ,,,
   7. Greg K Posted: March 24, 2013 at 05:33 PM (#4395393)
It is going to bring up a wide range of emotions, seeing Vernon Wells in a Yankees uniform.
   8. Joey B.: posting for the kids of northeast Ohio Posted: March 24, 2013 at 05:34 PM (#4395395)
I guess desperate times call for desperate measures.
   9. The District Attorney Posted: March 24, 2013 at 05:36 PM (#4395398)
Still the best outfield in New York City!

I actually suspect Wells is better than Boesch, so this represents an improvement... although don't quote me on that.

In any case, it goes to show that sometimes it does help to be a nice guy. I don't think Wells gets nearly this many chances if he weren't so well-liked personally. (Not meant to be a backhanded compliment; I have no reason to disbelieve that he's a fine gentleman.)

I of course assume that the Yankees have figured out a way that this doesn't put them over the luxury tax goal-normally-considered-a-requirement, as they are not insane.
   10. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: March 24, 2013 at 05:40 PM (#4395402)
As a Red Sox fan, I fully support this move.
   11. Swedish Chef Posted: March 24, 2013 at 05:43 PM (#4395403)
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO...

So you know enough to use bold, but have no clue about breaking the layout?
   12. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: March 24, 2013 at 05:44 PM (#4395404)
If the Yankees do acquire him, I'm taking bets Wells takes at least 250 PAs and posts at least a 100 OPS+ for them.
   13. zonk Posted: March 24, 2013 at 05:45 PM (#4395405)
There are times when the world does alright by me...
   14. Chase Insteadman Wannabe Posted: March 24, 2013 at 05:47 PM (#4395406)
So you know enough to use bold, but have no clue about breaking the layout?

Apparently so. In my defense I tried to edit down the size a lot as soon as I saw my post.
   15. The District Attorney Posted: March 24, 2013 at 05:57 PM (#4395410)
Jim Salisbury
@JSalisburyCSN

Today is the day #Phillies have to decide whether to keep INF Yuniesky Betancourt or not. Hearing Yankees are poking around. Cardinals, too
   16. zonk Posted: March 24, 2013 at 05:58 PM (#4395411)
So you know enough to use bold, but have no clue about breaking the layout?

Apparently so. In my defense I tried to edit down the size a lot as soon as I saw my post.

I wouldn't be too concerned about it... I think this particular item is destined for at least one page flip.
   17. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: March 24, 2013 at 06:10 PM (#4395413)
NyS is going to be a tomb this season. To think, they could have kept their perfectly nice paid off stadium....
   18. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: March 24, 2013 at 06:13 PM (#4395415)
WELLS, HAFNER, YOUKILIS, ICHIRO....THE YANKEES ARE LOCKS TO WIN THE 2007 WORLD SERIES!!
   19. Lassus Posted: March 24, 2013 at 06:20 PM (#4395419)
That's gonna leave a mark.
   20. Darren Posted: March 24, 2013 at 06:33 PM (#4395427)
ZIPS and Oliver agree that Wells is about a 1-WAR player in about 450 PA. If the Yankees are paying him less than about $5-6M per year, he might be a pretty good deal.
   21. Halofan Posted: March 24, 2013 at 06:37 PM (#4395429)
The lengths we go to in order to keep the grizzled veteran toys away from Mike Scioscia.
   22. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq. Posted: March 24, 2013 at 06:42 PM (#4395431)
THIS IS SUCH A DISASTER COMPARED TO WHAT THE YANKEES WERE GOING TO PUT OUT THERE FOR TWO MONTHS!
   23. Pat Rapper's Delight Posted: March 24, 2013 at 06:55 PM (#4395436)
280/340/490 in 600 PA, and probably the game-winning hit in at least one post-season series too.
   24. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: March 24, 2013 at 07:04 PM (#4395441)
Vernon Wells' OPS+ from 2006-2011:

129-->85-->123-->86-->125-->84

That is some SERIOUSLY consistent inconsistency
   25. Walt Davis Posted: March 24, 2013 at 07:06 PM (#4395444)
I don't think Wells gets nearly this many chances if he weren't so well-liked personally.

Well ... the main reason he will keep getting chances is because somebody is paying him $20 M a year and has a hard time swallowing that. With this trade, that advantage will go away.

But let's not overstate Wells's level of crapitude. In 2010, before the Angels traded for him, he had a 125 OPS+ and 3.6 WAR, 109 OPS+ and 8.8 WAR over the previous three. If he wasn't owed all that money, chances are the Jays don't even trade him and, on talent, a Napoli for Wells swap looked perfectly OK.

My point being that a guy that good is pretty much always going to get a couple of seasons to prove he's done. The "he's a good guy" time starts now. And even now I'm not sure he looks more cooked than Andruw did and the White Sox and Yanks managed to squeeze another useful 600 PA out of him. And I'm not sure he looks more cooked than Juan Rivera.

Now that's baseball talk. If the Yanks are paying anything more than maybe $6 M total over the next two years, walk away.

On the lux tax reset ... they're in pretty good shape. They're at about $109 now with projected arb awards. Presumably a big chunk goes to Cano but they'd still have room for a couple of pretty big FAs and some lower tier guys. Probably not enough money to plug all the holes and it's not like they'll be the only team shopping, but it looks to me like they've achieved their 2014 payroll goal and can relax on that front. Wells seems a silly thing to spend $3 M of 2014 money on but it's not gonna break the 2014 Yanks. Seems to me the big question for 2014 is whether Jeter wants to come back and at what price. (Also potentially Pettitte and Mo.)
   26. ellsbury my heart at wounded knee Posted: March 24, 2013 at 07:06 PM (#4395445)
ZIPS and Oliver agree that Wells is about a 1-WAR player in about 450 PA. If the Yankees are paying him less than about $5-6M per year, he might be a pretty good deal.


If the Angels are paying $30M like Olney says, then this is basically the Jonny Gomes deal. Just trade some OBP for competent defense.
   27. Blastin Posted: March 24, 2013 at 07:08 PM (#4395449)
ZIPS and Oliver agree that Wells is about a 1-WAR player in about 450 PA. If the Yankees are paying him less than about $5-6M per year, he might be a pretty good deal.


I don't get why they did it, but, yeah, it's supposed to be $4m.
   28. The District Attorney Posted: March 24, 2013 at 07:08 PM (#4395450)
Make a batting order!

The crazy crap I'd do: Gardner CF, E. Nunez LF (vs. R)/3B (vs. L), Cano 2B, Youkilis 3B (vs. R)/1B (vs. L), Hafner DH, D. Johnson 1B (vs. R)/V. Wells or J. Rivera LF (vs. L), J. Nix SS, Cervelli C, Ichiro RF

The type of thing I'd imagine they'll actually do: Gardner CF, Ichiro RF, Youkilis 3B, Cano 2B, Hafner DH, J. Rivera 1B, V. Wells LF, E. Nunez SS, Cervelli C
   29. JE (Jason) Posted: March 24, 2013 at 07:09 PM (#4395451)
Per Ken Rosenthal via MLB Network, the Angels will pay $32M of the $42M remaining on the contract.
   30. Cowboy Popup Posted: March 24, 2013 at 07:14 PM (#4395453)
Per Ken Rosenthal via MLB Network, the Angels will pay $32M of the $42M remaining on the contract.

Then it isn't that bad of a pick up then. That's less than they are paying Ichiro to suck in the other corner.

They aren't sending anyone back are they? A-Rod maybe?
   31. Walt Davis Posted: March 24, 2013 at 07:16 PM (#4395454)
Oops, forgot the Wells spring update: 361/390/722 ... he's Puig!

vs RHP: Gardner, Ichrio, Youk, Cano, Hafner, Wells (LF prob), Boesch (1B), Nunez, Cervelli
vs LHP: Gardner, Ichiro, Youk (1B), Cano, Wells (LF), Rivera (DH), Nunez, Nix, Cervelli

As folks filter back, one of Wells/Rivera sticks and becomes platoon mate with some combo of Hafner/Boesch.
   32. BDC Posted: March 24, 2013 at 07:28 PM (#4395457)
let's not overstate Wells's level of crapitude

Exactly. Wells is a player capable of having very fine years, who often has terrible ones. That will get GMs biting, on the principle that it takes a long time to extinguish intermittently-reinforced conditioning :)
   33. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: March 24, 2013 at 07:28 PM (#4395458)
The problem with this deal is that the Yankees don't want to give a shot to anyone under 35.

Both Mustelier and Boesch project to be better than Wells. What's the point in paying anything for a guy you already have a fee version of?
   34. ellsbury my heart at wounded knee Posted: March 24, 2013 at 07:34 PM (#4395459)
Both Mustelier and Boesch project to be better than Wells. What's the point?


For what it's worth, ZiPS has Boesch projected at 0.4 WAR and Mustelier at 0.3. I don't think that's really materially different than Wells' 1.0 projected WAR, but ZiPS does like Wells a little more. I think your "what's the point?" still stands, unless there's something awful about those other guys that I'm not aware of.
   35. Cowboy Popup Posted: March 24, 2013 at 07:34 PM (#4395460)
Both Mustelier and Boesch project to be better than Wells. What's the point?

Both Mustelier and Boesch suck in the field. Wells doesn't appear to be as bad out there.
   36. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: March 24, 2013 at 07:38 PM (#4395462)
Both Mustelier and Boesch suck in the field. Wells doesn't appear to be as bad out there.

Who cares? You stick them in the smaller of RF/LF w/ Gardner and Ichiro. They're not 35, and they can't be any worse than Ibanez and Jones were.

I am very close to rooting for a full-scale implosion. I want Rivera and Pettitte to go out playing well, and I'll root for Sabathia and Gardner b/c I like them a lot. But a 60-102 season, edging out Houston for the #1 pick is starting to look good.
   37. Depressoteric Posted: March 24, 2013 at 07:41 PM (#4395463)
Brian Cashman is licking toads and embarking upon spirit quests at this point.
   38. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: March 24, 2013 at 07:43 PM (#4395466)
Brian Cashman is licking toads and embarking upon spirit quests at this point.


Smoking the objective pipe lost its thrill awhile back, apparently.
   39. Tripon Posted: March 24, 2013 at 07:43 PM (#4395467)
Eh, the Yankees have gone on record on not picking up salary commitments for the next year. So to pick up Vernon Wells, and pay him $10 million over the next two years seems like a contradiction. The Yankees don't have to pay Mustelier and Boesch ten million, and the marginal upgrade of Vernon is probably not worth $10 million over the next guy.
   40. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: March 24, 2013 at 07:43 PM (#4395468)
Brian Cashman is licking toads and embarking upon spirit quests at this point.

Hell, performance enhancing drugs are a lot more useful than Vernon Wells at this point.
   41. Cowboy Popup Posted: March 24, 2013 at 07:47 PM (#4395469)
Who cares?

The Yankees apparently. The team is going to rely on pitching to win early and the infield is already a defensive sieve (Youkilis has looked horrible at third this spring, Nunez is a bad defensive player and Juan Rivera isn't really a first baseman). It looks like they would rather have a LFer who can save a run or two rather than the .001-.003 wOBA of extra offense the younger guys offer. Boesch will probably still get playing time and Mustelier is probably next in line. When stuck with a couple of shitty options, it can't hurt to add a third shitty option.

And Wells doesn't replace Boesch, who is a lefty and will likely still play. So really, Wells is "blocking" a 28 year old statute who hit alright in AAA. Who cares?
   42. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: March 24, 2013 at 07:49 PM (#4395470)
And Wells doesn't replace Boesch, who is a lefty and will likely still play. So really, Wells is "blocking" a 28 year old statute who hit alright in AAA. Who cares?

They're pissing away several million dollars of next year's salary cap to not improve the team at all.

A 28-y.o. career minor-leaguer is at least fun to root for.
   43. Cowboy Popup Posted: March 24, 2013 at 08:01 PM (#4395475)
They're pissing away several million dollars of next year's salary cap to not improve the team at all.

I've seen it reported that they are paying him as little as 2 mil a year. The Yanks probably look at him as a 2-5 mil Granderson replacement. The team is going to wholesale suck next year.

A 28-y.o. career minor-leaguer is at least fun to root for.

Oh, I agree with that. I would rather see him on the team. But the Yanks have a hard on for Vets who once played at a high level and I can understand wanting to put the best defensive team on the field to start the season.
   44. Chris Fluit Posted: March 24, 2013 at 08:03 PM (#4395476)
And Alfonso Soriano (still available!) is overlooked again.

(Someone had to say it.)
   45. Greg K Posted: March 24, 2013 at 08:08 PM (#4395479)

A 28-y.o. career minor-leaguer is at least fun to root for.

Spoken like someone who hasn't seen Dave Berg DH for his home town team!
   46. Shredder Posted: March 24, 2013 at 08:10 PM (#4395481)
If the Angels are only on the hook for $30MM, it's a good deal for them. I can't say I have very strong feelings about this deal either way. The damage is done.
   47. Tom Cervo, backup catcher Posted: March 24, 2013 at 08:21 PM (#4395482)
Olney says Yankees are paying $13M of his contract over the next 2 years. So $13M for an awful OF over 2 years is fine, but $17M is way too much for a cromulent starting catcher. If I wasn't a Yankees fan I'd really enjoy watching how awful they will be operating under a budget the next couple years.
   48. Cowboy Popup Posted: March 24, 2013 at 08:26 PM (#4395484)
Olney says Yankees are paying $13M of his contract over the next 2 years. So $13M for an awful OF over 2 years is fine, but $17M is way too much for a cromulent starting catcher.

Joel Sherman says that the 13 mil will all count towards this year. Not sure how that works, but that might explain it.
   49. Matthew E Posted: March 24, 2013 at 08:26 PM (#4395485)
I will be very interested to see how this plays out.
   50. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: March 24, 2013 at 08:27 PM (#4395486)
Olney says Yankees are paying $13M of his contract over the next 2 years. So $13M for an awful OF over 2 years is fine, but $17M is way too much for a cromulent starting catcher. If I wasn't a Yankees fan I'd really enjoy watching how awful they will be operating under a budget the next couple years.

Eff-this team. I'm actively rooting against the 2013 Yankees.

Edit: They're paying basically the same amount for Ichiro and Wells the next 2 years as Swisher or Bourn makes.

Explain that CP.

   51. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq. Posted: March 24, 2013 at 08:31 PM (#4395489)
Joel Sherman says that the 13 mil will all count towards this year. Not sure how that works, but that might explain it.
Presumably the Angels send the Yankees $21 million next year.
   52. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: March 24, 2013 at 08:33 PM (#4395490)
Presumably the Angels send the Yankees $21 million next year.

But isn't the tax based off AAV?

The Yankees can't restructure ARod's deal to pay him $100M this year, and $1M thereafter and get under the tax threshold.
   53. Ray (RDP) Posted: March 24, 2013 at 08:34 PM (#4395492)
I guess desperate times call for desperate measures.


They do. And there's nothing wrong with that.
   54. Tripon Posted: March 24, 2013 at 08:35 PM (#4395493)
Or Vernon Wells decided to take 13 million of his 2014 salary upfront to help facilitate the trade.
   55. PreservedFish Posted: March 24, 2013 at 08:36 PM (#4395494)
Eff-this team. I'm actively rooting against the 2013 Yankees.


History's 42nd greatest monster, BTF's 1st biggest baby.
   56. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: March 24, 2013 at 08:37 PM (#4395496)
Or Vernon Wells decided to take 13 million of his 2014 salary upfront to help facilitate the trade.

When the player gets paid doesn't effect the luxury tax. Otherwise, the Yankees would just pay ARod 8% interest to defer salary, and the problem is solved.
   57. Cowboy Popup Posted: March 24, 2013 at 08:38 PM (#4395497)
According to Riveraveblues:

Money assumed in trades does not get spread out according to average annual value for luxury tax purposes.
   58. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq. Posted: March 24, 2013 at 08:39 PM (#4395499)
The Yankees can't restructure ARod's deal to pay him $100M this year, and $1M thereafter and get under the tax threshold.
That's because the money is coming from the Yankees either way in that scenario.
   59. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: March 24, 2013 at 08:41 PM (#4395500)
History's 42nd greatest monster, BTF's 1st biggest baby.

Why? What do I owe the Yankees? They've never paid me any money; it has all gone in the other direction.

If they do stupid things, and assemble an unlikable, non-entertaining, non-competitive team, why shouldn't I want it to blow up as much as possible, so they return to a sensible plan.

This team is spending as much on Ichiro and Vernon Freaking Wells as it would have cost to get Swisher or Bourn. That's indefensible.
   60. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq. Posted: March 24, 2013 at 08:42 PM (#4395501)
Joel Sherman reports that the Yankees feel that Wells is in the best shape of his life.
   61. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq. Posted: March 24, 2013 at 08:43 PM (#4395502)
This team is spending as much on Ichiro and Vernon Freaking Wells as it would have cost to get Swisher or Bourn. That's indefensible.
They were going to sign one year deals?

Link?
   62. Cowboy Popup Posted: March 24, 2013 at 08:44 PM (#4395503)
Joel Sherman reports that the Yankees feel that Wells is in the best shape of his life.

Well, he has been running the bases this spring a lot more often than he is used to.
   63. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq. Posted: March 24, 2013 at 08:45 PM (#4395504)
Hey, if you want to take a year or two off from the Yankees, I won't begrudge you that. Nobody's forced to root for anybody.
   64. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: March 24, 2013 at 08:48 PM (#4395506)
According to Riveraveblues:

Money assumed in trades does not get spread out according to average annual value for luxury tax purposes.


So, can the Yankees trade ARod and $100M to the Astros for nothing, with all $100M (or whatever the PV is) paid this year, and be free and clear of his salary for luxury tax purpose? With the Astros taking the hit in 2014-17, which is completely irrelevant to them
   65. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: March 24, 2013 at 08:49 PM (#4395508)
They were going to sign one year deals?

Ichiro and Wells are both signed to 2 year deals.
   66. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq. Posted: March 24, 2013 at 08:49 PM (#4395509)
I'm guessing you can't take a larger cap hit than the player is being paid this season.
   67. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq. Posted: March 24, 2013 at 08:50 PM (#4395511)
Ichiro and Wells are both signed to 2 year deals.
They were going to sign 2 year deals?
   68. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: March 24, 2013 at 08:50 PM (#4395512)
Hey, if you want to take a year or two off from the Yankees, I won't begrudge you that. Nobody's forced to root for anybody.

I'll still root for young players to develop, and favorite guys to do well; I want them to be good long-term. But Cashman's lost me. I want enough losses, and putrid enough attendance that he's gone, and Randy Levine goes with him.
   69. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: March 24, 2013 at 08:54 PM (#4395515)
I'm guessing you can't take a larger cap hit than the player is being paid this season.

So, they could trade his 2013 and 2015-17 salaries payable in those years, and $30M payable in 2018, with nothing payable in 2014, and cut $28M off their 2014 tax amount?

That seems like a huge gaping loophole.
   70. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: March 24, 2013 at 08:54 PM (#4395516)
If they do stupid things, and assemble an unlikable, non-entertaining, non-competitive team, why shouldn't I want it to blow up as much as possible, so they return to a sensible plan.

This team is spending as much on Ichiro and Vernon Freaking Wells as it would have cost to get Swisher or Bourn. That's indefensible.
But "sensible plan" is doing all the work in this call for the waaambulance. They're still going to be a competitive team in 2013 and 2014--perhaps not a playoff team, but not Astros bad--and after which they're going to be spending more.

Also, they're only spending the money on Vernon Wells because they have a hole that opened up when Granderson suffered a fluke injury. It wasn't a deliberate choice.
   71. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: March 24, 2013 at 08:55 PM (#4395518)
They were going to sign 2 year deals?

No, but the issue is 2014 payroll. Having Bourn or Swisher for $12M or $14M in 2015-16 is probably a good thing.
   72. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: March 24, 2013 at 08:57 PM (#4395519)
But "sensible plan" is doing all the work in this call for the waaambulance. They're still going to be a competitive team in 2013 and 2014--perhaps not a playoff team, but not Astros bad--and after which they're going to be spending more.

Also, they're only spending the money on Vernon Wells because they have a hole that opened up when Granderson suffered a fluke injury. It wasn't a deliberate choice.


Why get Wells? Fill in with a Boesch/Mustelier platoon and live with it for 6-8 weeks. There's no way that (non-existent) "upgrade" is worth $13M.
   73. RollingWave Posted: March 24, 2013 at 08:58 PM (#4395522)
This is a joke right?
   74. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq. Posted: March 24, 2013 at 08:58 PM (#4395523)
But as it turns out, they're paying $0 for Wells next year. So that's $5.5 million more they have to offer Cano or Granderson.
   75. Ray (RDP) Posted: March 24, 2013 at 08:58 PM (#4395525)
Olney says Yankees are paying $13M of his contract over the next 2 years. So $13M for an awful OF over 2 years is fine, but $17M is way too much for a cromulent starting catcher


I think they should have re-signed Martin rather than going with the Black Hole Platoon of Cervelli and Stewart, but this is flawed analysis. When the Yankees decided not to re-sign Martin they didn't know that Granderson/Teixeira (and ARod?) would be injured. So you can't view that transaction with the benefit of hindsight.

As to the Wells acquisition, I don't like it, but it's not horrible; he does manage to turn in a useful season every two or three years. The problem is that he's horrid when he's not useful, and it's not like he's making the minimum.
   76. Cowboy Popup Posted: March 24, 2013 at 09:01 PM (#4395527)
No, but the issue is 2014 payroll. Having Bourn or Swisher for $12M or $14M in 2015-16 is probably a good thing.

But if they are semi-punting on these two years, which they appear to be doing, it is better to sign whoever the 2014 offseason equivalent of Swisher or Bourn is and get what are likely to be their best years when the Yanks are competing for a Championship again.

Swisher would be 35 in 2015. You sign him for four years for his production over the first two years of his contract, not the last two.
   77. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: March 24, 2013 at 09:01 PM (#4395528)
So, Ray. What time for NetPlay? I need to get my mind of the Yanks :-)
   78. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: March 24, 2013 at 09:03 PM (#4395533)
But if they are semi-punting on these two years, which they appear to be doing, it is better to sign whoever the 2014 offseason equivalent of Swisher or Bourn is and get what are likely to be their best years when the Yanks are competing for a Championship again.

Swisher would be 35 in 2015. You sign him for four years for his production over the first two years of his contract, not the last two.


Well if you have Swisher or Bourn, you're 2 or 3 wins closer to competing in 2013-14 vs. Suzuki/Wells. And they'll still be useful beyond that when the money doesn't matter.
   79. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq. Posted: March 24, 2013 at 09:07 PM (#4395534)
Watch FGCU right now and you'll believe in miracles.
   80. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq. Posted: March 24, 2013 at 09:08 PM (#4395535)
Well if you have Swisher or Bourn, you're 2 or 3 wins closer to competing in 2013-14 vs. Suzuki/Wells.
But Wells wasn't in the picture when the decision was made about Swisher and Bourn. And Granderson *was* in the picture.
   81. Blastin Posted: March 24, 2013 at 09:10 PM (#4395538)
Actively rooting against my own team would be absurd. Come on now.

Paying less attention, sure.
   82. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: March 24, 2013 at 09:16 PM (#4395542)
Actively rooting against my own team would be absurd. Come on now.

Paying less attention, sure.


The calculus is simple. If the Yankees are not really going to try and win anything the next 2 years, then they will be a better team in 2015 and beyond the worse they are.

They'll get better draft picks and more int'l FA budget, and with falling attendance and ratings, they'll be pressured to go back to spending $200M plus after 2014. So, by rooting against them now, I am rooting for them when they'll actually be trying.

Plus it will cost the Steinbrenners money, which will give me substantial schadenfreude. I still haven't forgiven them for destroying Yankee Stadium.
   83. RollingWave Posted: March 24, 2013 at 09:34 PM (#4395546)
I'm sure Cashman's intentially trying to kill many of us here, he'll probably top it off by getting Bloomquist and Mathis next.
   84. jyjjy Posted: March 24, 2013 at 09:44 PM (#4395550)
Trade Cano and sign that Womack guy. He hit .300 for the Cards, just the kind of bat the line up needs to deal with these injuries.
   85. PreservedFish Posted: March 24, 2013 at 09:47 PM (#4395552)
The calculus is simple. If the Yankees are not really going to try and win anything the next 2 years, then they will be a better team in 2015 and beyond the worse they are.


That calculus sounds incorrect. Blowing it up Astros style will leave them with a horrible team in 2015. Your top draft pick after the terrible 2014 season will be in his prime when, 2021?
   86. PreservedFish Posted: March 24, 2013 at 09:49 PM (#4395553)
Also, if you really want to see the Yankees lose and to see the Steinbrenners lose money, this would seem to be an almost ideal move.
   87. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: March 24, 2013 at 10:01 PM (#4395556)
That calculus sounds incorrect. Blowing it up Astros style will leave them with a horrible team in 2015. Your top draft pick after the terrible 2014 season will be in his prime when, 2021?

I didn't say blow it up. Just sucking with their expensive players. They should only trade the FAs they won't be resigning (Granderson, Kuroda, Hughes). Resign Cano if it's at all reasonable.
   88. APNY Posted: March 24, 2013 at 10:08 PM (#4395558)
Assuming the Yankees actually keep Wells for 2014, has there ever been another player who was paid $0 by the team he actually played for?
   89. The District Attorney Posted: March 24, 2013 at 10:11 PM (#4395560)
Jay Jaffe tweets:
maybe Hal Steinbrenner told Brian Cashman to get well soon, and Cashman just misinterpreted it
and writes: Getting Wells would be sign of Yankees' desperation
   90. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq. Posted: March 24, 2013 at 10:18 PM (#4395562)
Assuming the Yankees actually keep Wells for 2014, has there ever been another player who was paid $0 by the team he actually played for?
Probably. Heck, the Yankees were probably the team that traded the player.
   91. booond Posted: March 24, 2013 at 10:25 PM (#4395564)
Assuming the Yankees actually keep Wells for 2014, has there ever been another player who was paid $0 by the team he actually played for?


Wells might be the first that was worth even less?
   92. RollingWave Posted: March 24, 2013 at 10:33 PM (#4395569)
Nomaas is going ballistics .
   93. Tripon Posted: March 24, 2013 at 10:51 PM (#4395573)
For being a crappy player the last 3 years, Vernon Wells gets traded pretty often.
   94. valuearbitrageur Posted: March 24, 2013 at 11:04 PM (#4395581)
Cashman has just announced the Yankees are taking two years off from Snapper.

He said "Let that be a warning to the rest of our fans".
   95. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: March 24, 2013 at 11:16 PM (#4395583)
For being a crappy player the last 3 years, Vernon Wells gets traded pretty often.

He's like the Queen of Spades in a game of Old Maid.
   96. ellsbury my heart at wounded knee Posted: March 24, 2013 at 11:47 PM (#4395597)
Is there any, ANY possibility that Wells has just been really, really, really unlucky with BABIP the last 2 years (.214 and .226, respectively) and he's actually still good somehow?
   97. RollingWave Posted: March 24, 2013 at 11:50 PM (#4395601)
Seriously though, I rather they sign a guy out of the CPBL than pay Vernon Wells to suck. hell for that money I rather have Russell Martin play shortstop and / or backup OF than having Nunez and Wells.

At least Nomaas will have a great year. this team's going to be so full of punch line.

   98. The District Attorney Posted: March 24, 2013 at 11:52 PM (#4395604)
   99. The Yankee Clapper Posted: March 25, 2013 at 01:51 AM (#4395626)
Wells is hitting .361/.390./722 in spring training, so he might not be as bad as most imagine. Maybe.
   100. RollingWave Posted: March 25, 2013 at 03:37 AM (#4395632)
That good ST carrying over is about as good of a chance as the Royal's good ST carrying over to an actually competitive season.

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