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Wednesday, September 26, 2012

Yaz on next Triple Crown: Somebody’s got to do it

BeYaz: A prescription.

Former Red Sox outfielder Carl Yastrzemski thinks that being in a pennant race will help Detroit’s Miguel Cabrera in his attempt to win the Triple Crown.

And Yaz should know: He’s the last player to lead his league in batting average, homers and RBIs in the same season.

“In ‘67, the Triple Crown was never even mentioned once,” Yastrzemski said Wednesday night. “We were so involved in the pennant race, I didn’t know I won the Triple Crown until the next day, when I read it in the paper.”

...“One thing that’s going to help him is he’s in a pennant race,” Yastrzemski said after a pregame ceremony to wrap up the 100th anniversary celebration for Fenway Park.

“I thought somebody would win it a long time ago,” Yastrzemski said. “Somebody’s got to do it, whether it’s Cabrera this year, or whether it’s going to be next year or the year after. I’m surprised it’s gone this long.”

Repoz Posted: September 26, 2012 at 09:48 PM | 33 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Steve Balboni's Personal Trainer Posted: September 26, 2012 at 10:46 PM (#4246821)
Yaz's '67 season remains truly remarkable. Besides HR, RBI, and AVE, he also led the league in runs scored, hits, OBP, SLG, OPS (obviously), OPS+, TBs, won a Gold Glove, and was the unanimous MVP. He also missed leading the league in doubles by three, was 4th in walks...and grounded into only 4 DPs in 680 PAs that season.

As good as his career stats were, he was definitely a guy whose counting stats were hurt by the timing of his career. For example, he won three batting titles in his career, with averages of .326, .325, and .301.
   2. Yastrzemski in left. Posted: September 26, 2012 at 10:56 PM (#4246826)
Yaz will be the left fielder in Heaven.
   3. The Yankee Clapper Posted: September 26, 2012 at 11:06 PM (#4246832)
When Mantle won Triple Crown in 1956, he led the Major Leagues in each category. IIRC, Gehrig did it, too, perhaps others, but pretty rare.
   4. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: September 26, 2012 at 11:30 PM (#4246838)
and was the unanimous MVP.

umm--ummmm-- Minneapolis Star sports writer Max Nichols voted for Cesar Tovar

(Oh yes he did)
   5. Rob_Wood Posted: September 26, 2012 at 11:39 PM (#4246844)
I remember as a kid following Yaz in 1967 and hoping that he'd win the triple crown. It was fresh on people's minds, of course, since Frank Robinson did it the year before. So I find it hard to believe that nobody in the Boston area was talking about it.

BAvg, HR, and RBI were printed in each Sunday's paper back then, so it isn't like it was the stone age when it came to stats. I tallied the league leaders in the three stats the last week of the season by hand from the daily box scores. If I remember right, Yaz tied Killebrew (or maybe it was the other way around) during the week. There was even discussion whether being tied in HR would be a triple crown.

Then, I think, on the last day of the season, both Yaz and Killebrew each hit another home run, so they remained tied. I think the league president (Joe Cronin?) had to announce that Yaz would be credited with the triple crown even though he "only" tied in HR while leading in RBI and batting average.
   6. The Ghost fouled out, but stays in the game Posted: September 27, 2012 at 12:05 AM (#4246863)
umm--ummmm-- Minneapolis Star sports writer Max Nichols voted for Cesar Tovar

(Oh yes he did)

Yes, the prick.
   7. The Yankee Clapper Posted: September 27, 2012 at 12:26 AM (#4246870)
I find it hard to believe that nobody in the Boston area was talking about it.

Agreed. There was a fair amount of talk among those interested in baseball everywhere. Perhaps Yaz is just over emphasizing how the Triple Crown was secondary to the pennant race.
   8. PreservedFish Posted: September 27, 2012 at 01:24 AM (#4246887)
umm--ummmm-- Minneapolis Star sports writer Max Nichols voted for Cesar Tovar


You had to see him every day to appreciate his value.
   9. Walt Davis Posted: September 27, 2012 at 01:57 AM (#4246897)
Yaz will be the left fielder in Heaven.

Bonds, sure, but is Musial also going to Hell?

EDIT: It's possible I've overlooked another Red Sox LF in putting together that list.
   10. Walt Davis Posted: September 27, 2012 at 02:01 AM (#4246898)
Pretty crowded OF on the Hell team:

Bonds, Cobb, Ruth, Joe Jackson (if he was really guilty of course) ... as long as they keep Rose's ass on the bench I'll be OK.

For those wondering where Mantle might be, as Richard Thompson sings "God loves a drunk."
   11. The Yankee Clapper Posted: September 27, 2012 at 02:01 AM (#4246899)
It's possible I've overlooked another Red Sox LF in putting together that list.

Well, being frozen may put you in a special category.
   12. vortex of dissipation Posted: September 27, 2012 at 02:02 AM (#4246900)
You can be Lord Jesus
All the world will understand
Down where the drunkards roll
   13. Walt Davis Posted: September 27, 2012 at 02:04 AM (#4246902)
And on Tovar, here's an intersting (?) idea for one of you to waste time on ...

top 10 stupidest #1 MVP and CYA votes.

For example, Tovar had 2.1 WAR that year. Yaz had 12.
   14. vortex of dissipation Posted: September 27, 2012 at 02:08 AM (#4246903)
Eddie Joost, 1947. Joost hit .206 with 13 HR for a fifth place team. Ted Williams won the triple crown. Joost got two first place MVP votes.
   15. Loren F. Posted: September 27, 2012 at 03:05 AM (#4246912)
Oh no, don't bring up the triple crown again...
   16. KT's Pot Arb Posted: September 27, 2012 at 04:24 AM (#4246921)
For example, Tovar had 2.1 WAR that year. Yaz had 12.


Tovar led the league in games played with 164, while that prima donna Yaz played only a partial season (161).
   17. TomH Posted: September 27, 2012 at 07:34 AM (#4246932)
Those Joost voters knew their OBP value!!!
   18. Wins Above Paul Westerberg Posted: September 27, 2012 at 07:39 AM (#4246935)
For example, Tovar had 2.1 WAR that year. Yaz had 12.

Yes, but I've long argued that dWAR really underestimates his value at 1B, 2B, 3B, SS, RF...and maybe a couple others.
   19. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: September 27, 2012 at 08:37 AM (#4246959)
I guess there was no obvious choice for NL MVP in 1995, since B.L. Bonds was disqualified by having already won three of the things. However, the thought processes of the person who voted Ron Gant #1 are unclear.
   20. BDC Posted: September 27, 2012 at 09:33 AM (#4247000)
Babe Ruth in Hell? You have no heart, sir. As a good Catholic, the Babe is having a blast right now in Purgatory, but no way is the Lord going to be denied the Babe-a-tific vision in the long run.
   21. Chris Fluit Posted: September 27, 2012 at 10:42 AM (#4247063)
And on Tovar, here's an intersting (?) idea for one of you to waste time on ...

top 10 stupidest #1 MVP and CYA votes.


How about any time a closer received a first place vote for MVP? K-Rod was the most recent in 2008.
   22. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: September 27, 2012 at 11:00 AM (#4247090)
How many closers have gotten first place votes?

I know Jose Mesa did. (in the same year as Ron Gant)
   23. franoscar Posted: September 27, 2012 at 11:14 AM (#4247106)
Meanwhile, Miggy is faltering & could end up leading in only 1 category (RBI), or even none. (Although still a sweetheart and a wonderful baseball player, particularly in the hitting department.)
   24. Bob Meta-Meusel Posted: September 27, 2012 at 11:15 AM (#4247109)
Eddie Joost, 1947. Joost hit .206 with 13 HR for a fifth place team. Ted Williams won the triple crown. Joost got two first place MVP votes.

And Williams only got three, tied with George McQuinn and behind Joe Page (7) and MVP winner DiMaggio (8)... though at least all of them were on the pennant winner.
   25. Fernigal McGunnigle has become a merry hat Posted: September 27, 2012 at 11:37 AM (#4247129)
However, the thought processes of the person who voted Ron Gant #1 are unclear.


"This team lost Kevin Mitchell, the best hitter in the game, but Gant stepped right in and led the team to the division title. His grit and determination in coming back from the lost motorbike injury and the missed 1994 season proved to be this inspiration his team needed to have a big season."
   26. Chris Fluit Posted: September 27, 2012 at 11:41 AM (#4247135)
How many closers have gotten first place votes?

I know Jose Mesa did. (in the same year as Ron Gant)

At least two have actually won the award: Willie Hernandez in '84 and Dennis Eckersley.
   27. SoSH U at work Posted: September 27, 2012 at 11:46 AM (#4247142)

At least two have actually won the award: Willie Hernandez in '84 and Dennis Eckersley.


Rollie did as well.

NL voters have resisted the urge. In fact, it's been 44 years since any NL pitcher won the award.
   28. Yastrzemski in left. Posted: September 28, 2012 at 12:14 AM (#4247808)
Hey Walt. Heaven has a deep bench.
   29. dr. scott Posted: September 28, 2012 at 12:38 AM (#4247817)
Apparently because NL pitchers have to bat, people realize how one dimensional their game is.
   30. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: September 28, 2012 at 01:47 AM (#4247838)
At least two have actually won the award: Willie Hernandez in '84 and Dennis Eckersley.



Rollie did as well.


Jim Konstanty says hello
   31. Gonfalon B. Posted: September 28, 2012 at 04:52 AM (#4247856)
But only on a Ouija board.
   32. AJMcCringleberry Posted: September 28, 2012 at 07:26 AM (#4247869)
How about any time a closer received a first place vote for MVP? K-Rod was the most recent in 2008.

Brad Lidge got 2 that year!
   33. Misirlou is on hiding to nowhere Posted: September 28, 2012 at 08:11 AM (#4247882)
How about any time a closer received a first place vote for MVP? K-Rod was the most recent in 2008.

Brad Lidge got 2 that year!


There have been a bunch.

Gossage got 4 in1980, the year Brett hit .390.
Kent Tekulve got one in 1979
Sparky Lyle in 1977
Sutter in 1982 (0.8 WAR!)
Quiz in 1984
Eck in 1989 and 1990 (in addition to his win in 1992)

Sutter's 0.8 WAR will be tough to beat.

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