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Tuesday, June 10, 2014

Young fan struck by ground rule double, loves it - SBNation.com

He got the ball!

Jim Furtado Posted: June 10, 2014 at 09:10 AM | 18 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Bhaakon Posted: June 10, 2014 at 10:44 AM (#4722454)
*Automatic double.
   2. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: June 10, 2014 at 11:02 AM (#4722474)
? It's a ball that bounced in bounds and then went out. If you're being a pedant, that's something else, but this is a ground rule double as I was taught it from childhood.
   3. Randy Jones Posted: June 10, 2014 at 11:09 AM (#4722479)
It's an automatic double. From Wiki:
In baseball, a ground rule double is an award of two bases from the time of pitch to all baserunners including the batter-runner as a result of the ball leaving play after being hit fairly and leaving the field under a condition of the ground rules in effect at the field where the game is being played. An automatic double is the term used to refer to a fairly hit ball leaving the field in circumstances that do not merit a home run as described in Major League Baseball (MLB) rules 6.09(e) through 6.09(h). The automatic double is quite often mistakenly called a ground rule double.
   4. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: June 10, 2014 at 12:17 PM (#4722532)
When I saw the title my first thought was that the person who caught the ball liked Delmon Young. Lol
   5. Batman Posted: June 10, 2014 at 12:41 PM (#4722546)
The term "automatic double" doesn't appear in the 2014 MLB rules. "Ground rule double" appears once.

Rule 7.10(b) Comment: PLAY. (a) Batter hits ball out of park or ground rule double and
misses first base (ball is dead)—he may return to first base to correct his mistake before he touches
second but if he touches second he may not return to first and if defensive team appeals he is declared
out at first.

   6. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: June 10, 2014 at 12:49 PM (#4722551)
The difference between "ground rule double" and "automatic double" in that Wiki definition is Greek to me. I'm guessing "leaving the field" means leaving the field by going over the outfield wall, and "leaving play" means leaving the field some other way?
   7. dr. scott Posted: June 10, 2014 at 12:51 PM (#4722555)
Saw this last night at the stadium... if i had know the kid was a Delmon Young fan, i would not have been nearly as sympathetic.

Awful game though... the most exciting thing that happened was the tiny super tiny older (50s?) lady being kicked out for getting drunk and cursing the whole game. That was fun. She was there with her 20 something daughter and her daughters 50+ boyfriend. The whole scene was fascinating.

Oh yea, and the Irish nachos were really tasty.
   8. dr. scott Posted: June 10, 2014 at 12:54 PM (#4722557)
So I always assumed a ground rule double was a double due to leaving the field in a specific way to a park, such as rolling underneath a particular fence, or getting stuck behind an obstruction particular to the park... and the ball bouncing out of the field which can happen at any park is just an automatic double... but as I'm pretty sure i got that impression from reading stuff here over the last 15 years... i could be wrong.
   9. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: June 10, 2014 at 12:57 PM (#4722562)
No, you're exactly correct. The rule book dictates that a ball that bounces over the wall is a double in every park on the face of the earth. Rules governing what happens when a ball gets stuck in ivy or hits a catwalk are stadium-specific, thus "ground rules."
   10. theboyqueen Posted: June 10, 2014 at 01:17 PM (#4722577)
Rules governing what happens when a ball gets stuck in ivy or hits a catwalk are stadium-specific, thus "ground rules."


I believe the ivy situation would be covered by the shrubbery and/or vine clauses of rule 6.09(f). To wit:

Any fair ball which, either before or after touching the ground, passes through or under a fence, or through or under a scoreboard, or through any opening in the fence or scoreboard, or through or under shrubbery, or vines on the fence, or which sticks in a fence or scoreboard, in which case the batter and the runners shall be entitled to two bases;


Hence, to the pedants among us, that too would be an automatic double.
   11. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: June 10, 2014 at 01:19 PM (#4722579)
The late Bob Prince called it a "book-rule double" , i.e. it's a double in every ballpark and independent of specific ground rules. I've never heard anyone else call it that, however
   12. theboyqueen Posted: June 10, 2014 at 01:19 PM (#4722581)
Reading that literally it seems that any ball that hits the wall at Wrigley should be considered a double since it technically passes "through" vines on the fence. Otherwise I have no idea what it's about. It says nothing about the ball getting stuck in the vines.
   13. dr. scott Posted: June 10, 2014 at 01:35 PM (#4722588)
Here are the AT&T park ground rules.

http://sanfrancisco.giants.mlb.com/sf/ballpark/information/index.jsp?content=groundrules

there is no mention of a ball bouncing out of the field. the official name for it may not be in the rule book according to 5, so rule-book or automatic double are probably just as correct.
   14. dr. scott Posted: June 10, 2014 at 01:50 PM (#4722598)
Speaking of being a pedant... the article claims its Crawford who hit the double... it was #10 Tyler Colvin.
   15. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: June 10, 2014 at 02:13 PM (#4722621)
Right the two ivy-related ground rules at Wrigley cover cases not specifically mentioned in 6.09(f)

Baseball sticks in vines on bleacher wall -- Double
Baseball comes out of vines -- In Play
   16. Good cripple hitter Posted: June 10, 2014 at 02:20 PM (#4722628)
When I saw the title my first thought was that the person who caught the ball liked Delmon Young. Lol


I read it using my best Leslie Nielsen voice: "I've been struck by a ground rule double. I love it. I love it!"
   17. boteman Posted: June 10, 2014 at 02:56 PM (#4722672)
Since this happened at a Giants game I'm surprised there's even a question over this. Jon Miller and Co. routinely call such a ball an "automatic double", but it also can be properly called a "two base award" since the batter-runner is awarded second base.

Considering the many intricate discussions here about how to interpret statistics to evaluate players, I find it laughable that this could be called pedantic when getting this right is so easy to verify by reading the friggin rule book and using one's noggin. Just you pick the wrong endpoints when expressing a hitter's new-found power during a season and watch the pedants come out of the woodwork here to slap you back in your place!
   18. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: June 10, 2014 at 03:02 PM (#4722678)

Baseball sticks in vines on bleacher wall -- Double


Unless Andre Dawson catches it while trapped in the vines.

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