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Sunday, October 09, 2011

Zack Greinke calls out Chris Carpenter

If you think these comments are surprising, you don’t know Zack!

In a Milwaukee Brewers clubhouse filled with oversized personalities, the first shot at the rival St. Louis Cardinals going into Game 1 of the NL championship series came from a surprising source: Starting pitcher Zack Greinke, whose bout with social anxiety disorder typically make him one of the least likely players to pop off.

Speaking to reporters at Miller Park on Saturday, Greinke said the Brewers don’t like Cardinals ace Chris Carpenter when he shouts at batters from the mound.

“They think his presence, his attitude out there sometimes is like a phony attitude,” Greinke said. “And then he yells at people. He just stares people down and stuff. And most pitchers just don’t do that. And when guys do, I guess some hitters get mad. Some hitters do it to pitchers. But when you do that some people will get mad.

“There’s other pitchers in the league that do it, but, I don’t know,” Greinke said, “a lot of guys on our team don’t like Carpenter.”

Banta Posted: October 09, 2011 at 01:04 AM | 27 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. JoeHova Posted: October 09, 2011 at 03:58 AM (#3957332)
I think the quote Greinke has about Carpenter in the Journal Sentinel is a more proper calling out, assuming he said "we" in place of (the Brewers):
I think no one really likes (Chris) Carpenter. Besides that, I think (the Brewers) respect mostly everyone on their team.
   2. The District Attorney Posted: October 09, 2011 at 04:06 AM (#3957340)
his attitude out there sometimes is like a phony attitude,” Greinke said.
I can totally believe that Zack Greinke is Holden Caulfield.
   3. Forsch 10 From Navarone (Dayn) Posted: October 09, 2011 at 04:13 AM (#3957348)
I enjoy this rivalry.
   4. Something Other Posted: October 09, 2011 at 04:20 AM (#3957355)
Carpenter yells at opponents, plays in the NL, and comes to the plate, right? In the culture of ML baseball, isn't it required that he routinely get put on his ass?
   5. Sleepy supports unauthorized rambling Posted: October 09, 2011 at 05:22 AM (#3957423)
Carpenter yells at opponents, plays in the NL, and comes to the plate, right? In the culture of ML baseball, isn't it required that he routinely get put on his ass?


Assuming you are willing to catch a 94 mph fastball with your ass in return.

Greinke has the option to give it a shot.

edit: Whoops, wrong link. Looks like MLB.com pulled the interview, or changed the link, since it worked earlier (cut and posted link from a post at VEB). Now goes to a Jaime Garcia interview.
   6. ian Posted: October 09, 2011 at 06:22 AM (#3957434)
I remember being a teenager playing sport and having a couple of teammates that did the rah-rah thing and thinking, "Shut the #### up, stop trying to show off to [people in the stands, coach, whatever] and play, #######\"
   7. Steve M. Posted: October 09, 2011 at 12:11 PM (#3957462)
I've never found anything Zack Greinke has said to be particularly insightful or interesting... but maybe that's just me.
   8. Mayor Blomberg Posted: October 09, 2011 at 01:38 PM (#3957488)
I guess it's tough to deal with when you're on a team with guys like Nyjer Morgan who quietly go about their games and shun the spotlight.
   9. michaelplank has knowledgeable eyes Posted: October 09, 2011 at 02:14 PM (#3957505)
Carpenter yells at opponents, plays in the NL, and comes to the plate, right? In the culture of ML baseball, isn't it required that he routinely get put on his ass?



Assuming you are willing to catch a 94 mph fastball with your ass in return.


And assuming you are willing to poke the cage of a guy who has a temper, is 6'6, and was a highly regarded hockey prospect.
   10. Greg Maddux School of Reflexive Profanity Posted: October 09, 2011 at 02:29 PM (#3957511)
Yeah, throw at Carpenter and Marty McSorley will kick your ass.
   11. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: October 09, 2011 at 03:03 PM (#3957532)
Don't ever change Zack.
   12. Up2Drew Posted: October 09, 2011 at 04:20 PM (#3957576)
I really like the Brewers but it seems they're awful gimmicky. Now it's "Beast Mode", a couple years ago it was the thing where they all took their shirttails out after a win. Morgan and Gomez jumping all over the field dancing and gesturing.

They act like a high school team. Anybody else get that vibe? Maybe I'm just a curmudgeon, I just kinda like profressionals to act professional.
   13. Rowland Office Supplies Posted: October 09, 2011 at 04:40 PM (#3957588)
They act like a high school team. Anybody else get that vibe? Maybe I'm just a curmudgeon, I just kinda like profressionals to act professional.


People tell them to "act like they've been there before"...but that's actually the same way they acted when they were there before.
   14. Mayor Blomberg Posted: October 09, 2011 at 04:41 PM (#3957590)
agree with 12, tho not just about the Brewers; "claws and antlers" were dumb last year.
   15. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: October 09, 2011 at 04:49 PM (#3957593)
Mike Cameron started the shirt untucking as a tribute to his father. The rest of the team joined him.

The 'Beast" was just Fielder trying to please his kids who enjoyed the movie Monsters Inc. Others saw him do it a couple of times and it caught on.

This is not a defense. merely explanation.

By the way, the only team that has officially griped nonstop about both is, well, St. Louis. Listening to their radio announcing team you would think the Brewers got swastika tatoos and did 'Sieg Heils' at every opportunity.
   16. cardsfanboy Posted: October 09, 2011 at 04:53 PM (#3957598)
I really like the Brewers but it seems they're awful gimmicky. Now it's "Beast Mode", a couple years ago it was the thing where they all took their shirttails out after a win. Morgan and Gomez jumping all over the field dancing and gesturing.

They act like a high school team. Anybody else get that vibe? Maybe I'm just a curmudgeon, I just kinda like profressionals to act professional.


I just think that the Brewers are a team that is full of whiners. They whine about Carpenter, they whine about TLR, they whine about Pujols etc.


Now being serious, the Brewers are a team that has been somewhat under appreciated by the larger media in favor of the Cardinals or Cubs or even last year the Reds, when the Brewers have been the most successful team in the NL central over the past five years. (at worse second most successful) and they get to hear everyone praising the Cardinals, while the Brewers coverage seems to focus on the trivial stuff(their celebrations, the fatness of Fielder etc) while ignoring that they have been pretty good for several years. I think it breeds a little bitterness, add in that the Cardinals are an intense team, while the Brewers are more laid back and it causes conflict.
   17. cardsfanboy Posted: October 09, 2011 at 05:03 PM (#3957603)
By the way, the only team that has officially griped nonstop about both is, well, St. Louis. Listening to their radio announcing team you would think the Brewers got swastika tatoos and did 'Sieg Heils' at every opportunity.


Which is funny, because the only time I have heard about people bringing up the Brewers celebrations, is coming from the Brewer press. I don't think anyone from St Louis brings up the celebrations of the Brewers except during the series it happened and maybe the series after it happened. But every single time I talk to a Brewer fan, they seem to bring up the Cardinals b1tching about the Brewers celebrations, and how much of a whiners the Cardinals are. It's hilarious to be honest, just like listening to the Reds broadcast bringing up issues from a season ago which no Cardinal press has mentioned after the series was over.
   18. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: October 09, 2011 at 05:07 PM (#3957604)
cfb

I subscribe to MLB Audio and listen to NL Central games regularly. I have heard it mentioned several times.

Via MLB Extra Innings the TV crew also tosses out a snide comment every so often.

And obviously I am only catching sporadic games on both mediums.
   19. Tripon Posted: October 09, 2011 at 05:24 PM (#3957608)
Beast Mode isn't anything new, Juan Pierre had that nickname for a couple of years with the Dodgers. Beast Mode comes from the old 90's Transformers Beast Wars CGI series. Ironically, Beast Mode was used for when the transformers didn't need to fight, and would switch to humanoid status to battle.
   20. mex4173 Posted: October 09, 2011 at 05:52 PM (#3957621)
Beast Mode comes from the old 90's Transformers Beast Wars CGI series. Ironically, Beast Mode was used for when the transformers didn't need to fight, and would switch to humanoid status to battle.


And the slightly more heroic traveling quickly toward a fight (or the less heroic running away from a fight). Glad someone else mentioned this though, sometimes this site makes me feel so young.
   21. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: October 09, 2011 at 06:05 PM (#3957628)
I just think that the Brewers are a team that is full of whiners. They whine about Carpenter, they whine about TLR, they whine about Pujols etc.
You mean the TLR "we play the right way, everyone else is terrible" Cardinals? Yeah, can't understand why everyone hates them.
   22. NJ in DC (Now unemployed!) Posted: October 09, 2011 at 06:53 PM (#3957650)
I really like the Brewers but it seems they're awful gimmicky. Now it's "Beast Mode", a couple years ago it was the thing where they all took their shirttails out after a win. Morgan and Gomez jumping all over the field dancing and gesturing.

They act like a high school team. Anybody else get that vibe? Maybe I'm just a curmudgeon, I just kinda like profressionals to act professional.


I have a question for the Brewers fans. How much do you all feel the culture of the team is a reflection of the black players on the team? I ask because, as a black male, when I watch them a big part of the enjoyment I get is that a.) They seem to have a lot of key contributors that look like me and b.) They play/act the way I imagine myself and many of my friends would play/act.
   23. bunyon Posted: October 09, 2011 at 06:58 PM (#3957656)
I'm torn. In general, I think "beast mode" "antlers" and such is foolish nonsense that has no place in MLB. On the other hand, I think grumpy curmudgeons that gripe about such stuff have no place in MLB.

I guess I like celebrations and happiness and excitment over dour baseball is a serious business type behavior. However, all these gimmicky things seem fake.

When you're happy and you know it clap your hands. Smile. Jump up and down. But we don't need skits.


Oh, and I dislike Carpenter just as much as the next guy. But going around beaning sure outs would be a pretty dumb way to go about an NLCS.

I like this strategy: if Carpenter gets on and you're ready to pull your pitcher, bring in a reliever and then attempt to pick him off 30 or 40 straight times, being sure your first baseman applies a really hard tag each time, occasionally in the face, perhaps. Feint that the ball got by you and spike his hand. Basically, I don't get civilized revenge. Either play baseball or go all out in your bush league attempts to hurt and maim.
   24. robinred Posted: October 09, 2011 at 07:21 PM (#3957671)
. I don't think anyone from St Louis brings up the celebrations of the Brewers except during the series it happened and maybe the series after it happened.


Uhhh, that definitely qualifies as bringing it up quite a bit. A couple of years ago, or maybe last year, there was a thread here in which Pujols was ragging on the Brewers about the shirt-tail stuff.

. I don't think anyone from St Louis brings up the celebrations of the Brewers except during the series it happened and maybe the series after it happened.It's hilarious to be honest, just like listening to the Reds broadcast bringing up issues from a season ago which no Cardinal press has mentioned after the series was over.


We get it--your handle is truth in advertising. Unless you read every single thing written about the Cardinals, there is no way you can know what you claimed, and you, of course, hilariously, are talking about the Reds and Brewers right now--and no one here brought up the Reds until you did.

Your #16 is better stuff.

That noted, on a certain level, you're right, in that the Cardinals are the flagship franchise of the NL in the Midwest, with the most success, and the biggest fanbase except for the Cubs, and so there is some jealousy among other fanbases, which, combined with LaRussa's personality, makes it quite understandable that a lot of Reds, Brewers, and Pirates fans (and of course the Cubs) are sick of TLR's tight-ass-guardian-of-the-game's-on-field-morality act.

As far as the Brewers, NJ's question is an interesting one.

This should be a very entertaining series.
   25. cardsfanboy Posted: October 09, 2011 at 07:56 PM (#3957696)
This should be a very entertaining series.


agreed, I like the Brewers and think of this as a win/win series(although I'm clearly rooting for the Cardinals of course, either way, it's a guarantee that the NL world series representative will be from the NL Central). I'm a huge fan of Fielder, love Tony Plush(most of the time), and have rooted for Greinke for years. Even with the all star vote totals, I still think Braun is criminally under valued and unknown nationally to an extent. If you are a fan of baseball, you should be a fan of the Brewers. There are days I don't like them of course, but I think everyone likes to make a mountain out of a molehill as far as these two teams are concerned.


Uhhh, that definitely qualifies as bringing it up quite a bit. A couple of years ago, or maybe last year, there was a thread here in which Pujols was ragging on the Brewers about the shirt-tail stuff.


and his comments were blown out of proportion by the press, He said ""I see teams take their jerseys out when the game is over. To me, that's not professional. I don't care what you do when you get off the field, but don't do it on the field. You don't want kids to see negative things."

It's not ragging, it's a comment in an article..and that was in 2009. When the Cardinals play the Brewers, I see the fans of the Brewers bringing it up as if the Cardinals are still talking or caring about it.
   26. robinred Posted: October 09, 2011 at 08:15 PM (#3957717)
see teams take their jerseys out when the game is over. To me, that's not professional. I don't care what you do when you get off the field, but don't do it on the field. You don't want kids to see negative things."


I talked about this at the time. What Pujols said would be like one of my colleagues at the college coming up to me after class and saying, "Put a tie on." You can say, just as easily, that Pujols was the one being unprofessional. What the Brewers do, how they act, or how they dress, is not his concern. If he wants to be "professional", he should mind his own business, keep his mouth shut, and focus on his team and his job. If the Brewers are violating MLB rules, Selig or one of his bobos can discipline them. If Roenicke doesn't like their antics, he can disicipline them. If Milwaukee fans don't like it, they can express that through many channels. What LaRussa and Pujols thinks about it matters about as much as what you or I think about it.
   27. cardsfanboy Posted: October 09, 2011 at 08:25 PM (#3957743)
You can say, just as easily, that Pujols was the one being unprofessional. What the Brewers do, how they act, or how they dress, is not his concern.


Agreed. At the same time though, him mentioning something isn't the same thing as whining, which is something that people have claimed the Cardinals were doing.

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