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Sunday, February 23, 2014

Zack Greinke not fan of Australia games

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Opening their season in Australia more than a week ahead of 28 other teams is causing the Los Angeles Dodgers some headaches, particularly when they try to line up their pitching.

Zack Greinke, who likely would pitch the second of two games at the Sydney Cricket Ground against the Arizona Diamondbacks, is far from enthused at the prospect.

“I would say there is absolutely zero excitement for it,” Greinke told ESPNLosAngeles.com. “There just isn’t any excitement to it. I can’t think of one reason to be excited for it.”

...The Australian games are to be played on March 22 and 23. Because the Dodgers break camp on March 16, they’ll play roughly 10 to 15 fewer Cactus League games than in a typical spring. For the starting pitchers, that means two or three fewer starts to get ready, followed by extra rest after their season-opening starter.

Greinke said he’s willing to pitch in Australia and understands why those games were scheduled.

“It’s a baseball thing. It’s an ownership thing, spreading stuff around,” Greinke said. “That’s what it’s for and it’s for the greater good of baseball.”

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   1. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: February 23, 2014 at 01:04 AM (#4660924)
I feel like having Kershaw having a start with a week off afterward would be perfect for the whole maximizing value while minimizing stress on the arm thing, although if he's still in warm up mode, they may want to just give him five innings/80 pitches max.
   2.   Posted: February 23, 2014 at 01:10 AM (#4660925)
Spring Training is 10 to 15 games too long anyway.
   3. ptodd Posted: February 23, 2014 at 01:19 AM (#4660926)
Greinke probably has to get there a 1 week ahead of everyone else to get over the jet lag. For that long a flight, its more than just the time difference, the low cabin pressure and low humidity, and perhaps higher CO2 levels poison your body.

They should start the season in March and have the season end at the end of August with 2 months of post season games. Of course the Northern teams would have to spend most of March playing in warmer climates
   4. Walt Davis Posted: February 23, 2014 at 01:53 AM (#4660928)
Neither are the Australians -- two silver and one bronze?! The world champ board cross guy didn't even make it to the semis?!
   5. JuanGone..except1game Posted: February 23, 2014 at 02:06 AM (#4660930)
With that headline, I swore we were going to get his opinion on Rugby Union, League or Footy.
   6. GregD Posted: February 23, 2014 at 03:31 AM (#4660934)
Greinke unwillingness (inability) to say normal bland things always surprises me even though by now it shouldnt
   7. PreservedFish Posted: February 23, 2014 at 03:42 AM (#4660935)
He's so grumpy! Don't you want to see a kangaroo or something? I'd be stoked if my work sent me to Australia.
   8. ptodd Posted: February 23, 2014 at 03:47 AM (#4660936)
PreservedFish Posted: February 23, 2014 at 02:42 AM (#4660935)
He's so grumpy! Don't you want to see a kangaroo or something? I'd be stoked if my work sent me to Australia.


Not like he can't afford to go with his 5 months vacation time each year. Its a lousy flight and he probably won't have much time for sight seeing, but still, as an ambassador for the game making 20 million a year he should not complain.

Guess who the Aussies are going to root for when he is on the mound?.
   9. AJMcCringleberry Posted: February 23, 2014 at 09:12 AM (#4660954)
I like Greinke.
   10. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: February 23, 2014 at 10:31 AM (#4660976)
Its a lousy flight...


Honestly, it's not that bad, as long as you use Qantas instead of a shitty US airline. Particularly if you have the money to fly business class, as I'd imagine Greinke does.
   11. Steve Balboni's Personal Trainer Posted: February 23, 2014 at 11:38 AM (#4660998)
Over the next five years, Greinke is guaranteed $128 million. By age 34, he will have grossed almost $160 million in his career. He's just complaining a little...he'll make the flight.
   12. CFiJ Posted: February 23, 2014 at 12:11 PM (#4661004)
Guess who the Aussies are going to root for when he is on the mound?

I suspect that for Aussies, rooting for someone is something of a novel concept.
   13. valuearbitrageur Posted: February 23, 2014 at 12:58 PM (#4661028)
Honestly, it's not that bad, as long as you use Qantas instead of a shitty US airline. Particularly if you have the money to fly business class, as I'd imagine Greinke does.


14 hours in a tube is a shitty flight, even on Quantas, even in business class.
   14. McCoy Posted: February 23, 2014 at 01:24 PM (#4661040)
Spring Training is 10 to 15 games too long anyway.

Hell, the season is 10 to 15 games too long.
   15. McCoy Posted: February 23, 2014 at 01:28 PM (#4661042)
14 hours in a tube is a shitty flight, even on Quantas, even in business class.

Not really. If you've got the money traveling long distances isn't really all that burdensome. I did 28 hours on a train from NY to Chicago without a sleeping room during a blizzard and while it was no picnic it definitely wouldn't have been shvtty had I gotten a sleeping room and traveled during a non-blizzard.
   16. BDC Posted: February 23, 2014 at 01:34 PM (#4661044)
I dunno, Greinke isn't even complaining, he's just saying he's not excited. I mean, are you excited about a Dodgers/Diamondbacks game in Sydney? My heart is not racing at the prospect.
   17. JE (Jason) Posted: February 23, 2014 at 01:38 PM (#4661045)
14 hours in a tube is a shitty flight, even on Quantas, even in business class.

Meh. Twice a year I do the Turkish Airlines IAD-IST roundtrip (10+ hours in the air outbound, 11+ hours inbound) and the only thing "shitty" about that flight in economy class is that I have no desire to go no. 2 in the head of an A330.
   18. Curse of the Andino Posted: February 23, 2014 at 01:42 PM (#4661046)
14 hours in a tube is a shitty flight, even on Quantas, even in business class.


/Flew to Asia from DC (Tokyo, Seoul, Shanghai) a couple times a year for a decade in coach. Laughs at all of you.
   19. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: February 23, 2014 at 01:51 PM (#4661051)
I dunno, Greinke isn't even complaining, he's just saying he's not excited. I mean, are you excited about a Dodgers/Diamondbacks game in Sydney? My heart is not racing at the prospect.


The question was "Are you excited about the games in Australia?" and the stock answer major leaguers know they're supposed to give is "It's very exciting to be an ambassador for baseball in a great place like Australia and we're looking forward to it" and so on and so forth.

Greinke, when asked even a question designed to elicit a cliché response so the reporter can stick a name next to the quotes in the article he's already written, has the bad habit of answering honestly.
   20. Swedish Chef Posted: February 23, 2014 at 02:19 PM (#4661060)
Business class? I would assume that they get first class tickets, if they have to fly on a regular flight that is.
   21. boteman is not here 'til October Posted: February 23, 2014 at 02:25 PM (#4661062)
Why fly??? Back in the day they took the train and arrived nice and rested. Plenty of time to adjust to the time zone changes, too.
   22. PreservedFish Posted: February 23, 2014 at 02:30 PM (#4661064)
I dunno, Greinke isn't even complaining, he's just saying he's not excited. I mean, are you excited about a Dodgers/Diamondbacks game in Sydney? My heart is not racing at the prospect.


I know that Grienke has a strange personality, and his answer may have just been a kind of flat and truthful autistical answer, but it sure sounds like a complaint to me.

And yes, I am excited by the game. I think it's really cool.

Greinke, when asked even a question designed to elicit a cliché response so the reporter can stick a name next to the quotes in the article he's already written, has the bad habit of answering honestly.


I commend him for that, but the content of his answer make me think that ... well, he's not a criminal or anything, but I doubt that we would be friends.
   23. Greg K Posted: February 23, 2014 at 02:35 PM (#4661067)
And yes, I am excited by the game. I think it's really cool.

Perhaps I'm just more into the growing international presence of baseball than most, but it seems odd to me when someone isn't excited about it. It probably says some pretty sad things about my life, but one of the things I most look forward to in the next 25-30 years is getting some (or more) major league players from Australia, Asia, Europe...anywhere really.

EDIT: I will say that if there's one breed of person for whom I understand a lack of excitement its the players themselves. Greinke's priority is a championship, and preparing himself to contribute to one, and I can understand why a trip to Australia in the middle of Spring Training seems like a disruption to him.
   24. Brian Posted: February 23, 2014 at 03:03 PM (#4661085)
If they have any sense they will fly Emirates Air First Class and it is absolutely an easy trip. Only way to do that flight if you have no worries about the price.
   25. I am going to be Frank Posted: February 23, 2014 at 03:10 PM (#4661087)
I assume they will be taking a charter. Singapore Airlines used to have an all business-class plane that flies from Newark to Singapore. I'm sure MLB will be springing for something similar (or even better).
   26. Lindor Truffles Posted: February 23, 2014 at 03:25 PM (#4661093)
If they have any sense they will fly Emirates Air First Class and it is absolutely an easy trip. Only way to do that flight if you have no worries about the price.


Or if the team has a contract with a certain airline, like the Dodgers do with United. I'm sure UA will charter a three-class 747 with Global First for Zach, which pales in comparison with Emirates/other state-funded airlines.
   27. Der-K and the statistical werewolves. Posted: February 23, 2014 at 03:48 PM (#4661105)
21: Strictly speaking, back in the day they did it by boat.
   28. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: February 23, 2014 at 03:56 PM (#4661111)
14 hours in a tube is a shitty flight, even on Quantas, even in business class.


I don't know what to tell you. I did it, and it wasn't that bad. I'd much rather do that flight again than a cross-US flight on USAir or United.
   29. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: February 23, 2014 at 05:27 PM (#4661129)
preserved

being a friend of zack requires a thick skin. He doesn't do small talk or fake niceties

teammates love him because of the thrill of being there when he tells a team member his girlfriend has an awful laugh and that he is so absurdly uncomfortable everywhere but on the field
   30. Graham & the 15-win "ARod Vortex of suck" Posted: February 23, 2014 at 07:01 PM (#4661149)
I recently graduated from college, so I'm still pretty new to the world of business travel, but my business trip experiences aren't that fun, even when I have gone to someplace interesting. Usually, I'm trapped in meetings or training sessions from early morning to sometime in the evening. I then grab dinner and maybe try to get some work done. If I'm lucky, I get to try a restaurant near the hotel or head to a bar for a couple of drinks. Of course, Greinke's experience as a ballplayer on the road is probably radically different.

Greinke, when asked even a question designed to elicit a cliché response so the reporter can stick a name next to the quotes in the article he's already written, has the bad habit of answering honestly.


Is it really that bad of a habit? Or is that we're so used to sterile, canned answers from ballplayers nowadays that it's shocking when someone speaks his mind? I, for one, get very tired of the stream of canned answers from players. What Greinke said wasn't even all that bad.

   31. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: February 23, 2014 at 07:07 PM (#4661154)
I personally wish everyone was honest; the world would be a lot more interesting that way. But in terms of Greinke's own life, yes, it's a bad habit.
   32. PreservedFish Posted: February 23, 2014 at 08:07 PM (#4661175)
preserved

being a friend of zack requires a thick skin. He doesn't do small talk or fake niceties


Oh, I've got no problem with that. It can be refreshing. I'm just objecting to his grumpy attitude about the Australia trip.
   33. Jarrod HypnerotomachiaPoliphili(Teddy F. Ballgame) Posted: February 23, 2014 at 10:24 PM (#4661228)
I will say that if there's one breed of person for whom I understand a lack of excitement its the players themselves. Greinke's priority is a championship, and preparing himself to contribute to one, and I can understand why a trip to Australia in the middle of Spring Training seems like a disruption to him.


I agree with Greg on this. On the other hand, I also agree with him about this:

Perhaps I'm just more into the growing international presence of baseball than most, but it seems odd to me when someone isn't excited about it.


Some of my favorite baseball games in recent years have been WBC qualifiers, and I'm absurdly looking forward to the day when Donald Lutz or somebody like him becomes a star in MLB.
   34. JuanGone..except1game Posted: February 23, 2014 at 10:29 PM (#4661230)
I don't know what to tell you. I did it, and it wasn't that bad. I'd much rather do that flight again than a cross-US flight on USAir or United.


You couldn't be more right. I've flown coach and B-class on flights to/fro Australia, and I'd rather take either than the PHL-LAX coach flight on Delta that I have to take next week. Free liquor, on-demand tv and unbelievable service make those 14 fly by.
   35. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: February 23, 2014 at 10:39 PM (#4661235)
am I permitted to gripe about the flight to India out of Chicago and how it is the Indian equivalent of a Mexican bus ride in country or do I risk being branded a racist/bigot?
   36. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: February 23, 2014 at 10:49 PM (#4661236)
Probably depends on whether you compare any part of the experience to a Chinese fire drill.
   37. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: February 23, 2014 at 10:56 PM (#4661237)
gef

no. Just the noise and the smell
   38. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: February 23, 2014 at 11:03 PM (#4661240)
I dunno, Greinke isn't even complaining, he's just saying he's not excited. I mean, are you excited about a Dodgers/Diamondbacks game in Sydney?


Well I am! Phil Coorey and I are going to both games.

And if you can fly first class with one of those private cubicles and a bed, how is that hard? C'mon, it's like 15 hours. You sleep a little, watch a flick, eat a meal, chat up the stewardess, play some poker with your mates. If you can't kill 15 hours in that environment, then you ain't trying.
   39. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: February 23, 2014 at 11:36 PM (#4661244)
Hell a 12 hour flight is easy just take a few ambain (sp) and some benyadril (sp as usual) and sleep it away
   40. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: February 23, 2014 at 11:42 PM (#4661249)
Perhaps I'm just more into the growing international presence of baseball than most, but it seems odd to me when someone isn't excited about it. It probably says some pretty sad things about my life, but one of the things I most look forward to in the next 25-30 years is getting some (or more) major league players from Australia, Asia, Europe...anywhere really.

That's definitely the upside, as long as you don't mind stripping other countries' Major Leagues (present and future) of many of their best players. It doesn't bother me, but then it isn't our Major Leagues that are being looted.

EDIT: I will say that if there's one breed of person for whom I understand a lack of excitement its the players themselves. Greinke's priority is a championship, and preparing himself to contribute to one, and I can understand why a trip to Australia in the middle of Spring Training seems like a disruption to him.

It's not just that it's hard on the players, it's that it's a complete non-starter as a precedent for any reason other than publicity. You're certainly never going to include European or Asian cities in any sort of International Major League, at least if you're thinking of continuing any sort of regular Interleague play.
   41. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: February 23, 2014 at 11:47 PM (#4661250)
Hell a 12 hour flight is easy just take a few ambain (sp) and some benyadril (sp as usual) and sleep it away


Doesn't work for everyone, though. When I was prescribed Ambien, I might as well have been taking candy corn for all the effect it had on me. Benadryl & the like is guaranteed to keep me wide awake for hours on end.
   42. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: February 23, 2014 at 11:53 PM (#4661254)
It doesn't bother me, but then it isn't our Major Leagues that are being looted.


Eh, it's not a case of talent being looted. It's a case of that talent rising to the standard of the best available standard worldwide. Like American soccer players, you need to go elsewhere to play against the best. However, that raises the overall standard of play in which the player originally comes from as the youth will identify with that player and will seek to meet or better that standard. Eventually the overall standard in the home country rises, money flows in and eventually you have yourself a competitive major league. Sure, these things can take up to 20 years, but you gotta start somewhere.

   43. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: February 23, 2014 at 11:54 PM (#4661255)
Well booze then
   44. Greg K Posted: February 24, 2014 at 12:08 AM (#4661259)
Some of my favorite baseball games in recent years have been WBC qualifiers, and I'm absurdly looking forward to the day when Donald Lutz or somebody like him becomes a star in MLB.

I agree with only so far. Donald Lutz broke my finger with a foul ball at a WBC qualifier. So boo him!

I kid of course, it was all kinds of fun hearing a crowd full of Germans yell "Looooooooootz" when he came up. He has been a personal favourite of mine since.
   45. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: February 24, 2014 at 12:15 AM (#4661261)
It doesn't bother me, but then it isn't our Major Leagues that are being looted.

Eh, it's not a case of talent being looted. It's a case of that talent rising to the standard of the best available standard worldwide. Like American soccer players, you need to go elsewhere to play against the best. However, that raises the overall standard of play in which the player originally comes from as the youth will identify with that player and will seek to meet or better that standard. Eventually the overall standard in the home country rises, money flows in and eventually you have yourself a competitive major league. Sure, these things can take up to 20 years, but you gotta start somewhere.


That's a fine theory, and I get the long term point, but in the meantime the only way that the Japanese can see their best pitcher is by getting up at 7:00 AM and watching him on TV. Free agency here is also a net plus for the game as a whole, but it doesn't work out so well for the teams who keep seeing their young stars jump ship for richer climes. You can call it looting or mere collateral damage, but whatever you call it, the short and medium range benefits from the fans' POV all flow in our direction.
   46. Greg K Posted: February 24, 2014 at 12:15 AM (#4661262)
It's not just that it's hard on the players, it's that it's a complete non-starter as a precedent for any reason other than publicity. You're certainly never going to include European or Asian cities in any sort of International Major League, at least if you're thinking of continuing any sort of regular Interleague play.

Depending on what you mean by "publicity" I'd probably agree and say, of course that's the point, do it more please! There's absolutely no reason we can't turn young athletes on to baseball all over the world, and taking a couple games a season to work toward that end is well worth the price if you ask me. As I mentioned earlier, I fully understand why the Zack Greinke's of the world feel put out by it...they are paid a lot of money to achieve a very specific goal, which going to Australia does nothing to further. But as a fan I'm ok with that being the price of international expansion.

As for poaching other top leagues around the world...I think this is a case you can make for Japan, and possibly Korea...but pretty much everywhere else that's putting the cart before the horse. Most of these places don't really have leagues to speak of, it's all about building enough interest to get enough people playing it in the first place.

EDIT: Hugh covers it better in #42.
   47. GregD Posted: February 24, 2014 at 12:17 AM (#4661264)
I don't have any problem with the talent rising, but I very much doubt that international markets helps the losing country in the long run. I suspect Japan is farther from having a league competitive with MLB now than it was 20 years ago. It is in danger of becoming essentially a minor league yoked to MLB.

Letting players go to the best leagues is right for the players, presumably, and the fans of high-level sports, but I don't think there's any reason to think it is good for the domestic leagues in the failing countries.
   48. Greg K Posted: February 24, 2014 at 12:21 AM (#4661265)
That's a fine theory, and I get the long term point, but in the meantime the only way that the Japanese can see their best pitcher is by getting up at 7:00 AM and watching him on TV. Free agency here is also a net plus for the game as a whole, but it doesn't work out so well for the teams who keep seeing their young stars jump ship for richer climes. You can call it looting or mere collateral damage, but whatever you call it, the short and medium range benefits from the fans' POV all flow in our direction.

I think it goes hand in hand with mlb's growing, and extremely well-managed internet presence. I lived in England the last three years and helped found a baseball club in that time. It started out with an American, a couple Dominicans and various other foreign nationals wanting to play baseball, and within a few months we picked up all sorts of British fellows. By the end of the first year we had several locals on board, all with their own mlb.tv accounts, and a trip to Germany to watch the WBC qualifiers. It's never been easier to follow baseball from anywhere on the globe. In fact, I probably watched more MLB games in my three years in England than I have in any three years in North America. To be the second one to use soccer as an example, most of the best players in the world play in either England, Germany, or Spain (possibly Italy?), but that doesn't stop countries half a world away from being soccer mad and following their favourite players ten time zones away.
   49. Greg K Posted: February 24, 2014 at 12:27 AM (#4661266)
I don't have any problem with the talent rising, but I very much doubt that international markets helps the losing country in the long run. I suspect Japan is farther from having a league competitive with MLB now than it was 20 years ago. It is in danger of becoming essentially a minor league yoked to MLB.

I suppose it would have to be looked at on a case by case basis.

I can certainly imagine taking to top players from Japan weakens the Japanese Leagues. But bringing guys like Marten Gasparini and Max Kepler and hopefully their future counterparts to the majors isn't really hurting the European leagues, because they only really "exist" in the vaguest of terms.

I guess it also depends on the trade-off between waning power of the Japanese Leagues, and how much people in Japan are following MLB. If we're moving towards a point where interest in baseball in general is eroding, then that's a problem. But if the Japanese leagues are weakening as Japanese people turn their attention to MLB...I'm less convinced that's a problem.

EDIT:In other words, if we're ok with the Toledo Mud Hens being a minor league team yoked to MLB, then why not the Nippon Ham Fighters?
   50. Walt Davis Posted: February 24, 2014 at 01:20 AM (#4661289)
This story made the Illawarra Mercury sports pages today. Any publicity is good publicity I guess.

On the other question ... one of the things that makes major American sports great (so far) is that we don't set quotas to protect US-born players. Of course, until recently, this wasn't necessary for the 4 major sports (cutting Canadians some slack). But now, if you are one of the best baseball, basketball or hockey players in the world, you will play in the US league.

I raise this point (and others) whenever somebody here groans about the "world" series. MLB has all the world's best players with the possible exception of a few Japanese guys and a few guys temporarily stuck in the minors. In theory, the WS is between the two best baseball teams in the world. Keep it that way.

I think about as much thought should be given to the future of NPB as was given to the future of the Negro Leagues post-Robinson ... except it would probably make more sense financially/geographically to retain NPB as an official minor league.

That is the point of prosletyzing baseball shouldn't be to spread the word that Jesus sacrificed that we might all reach second base but to make damn sure that any kid anywhere in the world that can throw 100 MPH ends up in MLB.

That said I'd be thrilled to see an Asian Division/League in MLB with teams throughout Japan, Korea, Taiwan, China if such a thing ever becomes sustainable. They too can openly bid on the world's best players, draft some kid out of Gainesville, etc.
   51. Bunny Vincennes Posted: February 24, 2014 at 06:29 AM (#4661319)
Not really. If you've got the money traveling long distances isn't really all that burdensome. I did 28 hours on a train from NY to Chicago without a sleeping room during a blizzard and while it was no picnic it definitely wouldn't have been shvtty had I gotten a sleeping room and traveled during a non-blizzard.


You are an idiot. NOT traveling sleeing is nonsenical.
   52. shoewizard Posted: February 24, 2014 at 08:01 AM (#4661322)
The flight is the easy part. Its the jet lag that is the killer. But greinke is whining
   53. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: February 24, 2014 at 08:33 AM (#4661327)
NOT traveling sleeing is nonsenical.


Speaking of nonsen(s)ical ...
   54. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: February 24, 2014 at 08:35 AM (#4661328)
am I permitted to gripe about the flight to India out of Chicago and how it is the Indian equivalent of a Mexican bus ride in country or do I risk being branded a racist/bigot?


Well India is the Mexico of Asia Minor.
   55. Blastin Posted: February 24, 2014 at 08:41 AM (#4661330)
I love long flights. But I'm still enough of a kid that it amazes me you can sit in a chair for half a day and travel to the other side of Earth.

I have flown to and from Asia a couple times, to Africa from Europe, etc. The only times the flights were bad were when we had turbulence/bad food/etc. But these days, I just watch 4 or 5 movies and call it a day.

The jet lag is indeed the big issue though
   56. Lassus Posted: February 24, 2014 at 09:15 AM (#4661342)
Am I the only one who doesn't get jet lag? If you sleep badly does it not affect you? I had some crazy flights in the past (LA/NZ, NZ/Thailand, Poland/NY) and never felt the effects.
   57. Greg K Posted: February 24, 2014 at 09:44 AM (#4661352)
Am I the only one who doesn't get jet lag? If you sleep badly does it not affect you? I had some crazy flights in the past (LA/NZ, NZ/Thailand, Poland/NY) and never felt the effects.

I've never been entirely clear what jet lag refers to, but I usually fly to Europe on a flight which leaves Toronto at 9pm and arrives in London 9am (because it's the cheapest!). Somewhere along the line I've lost the ability to sleep on a plane (probably getting old), so I sometimes end up getting a cold due to lack of sleep (again, something that didn't used to happen in my early 20s).

On the other hand, occasionally I stay on a North American clock for several days after a flight. I'll arrive in Europe and force myself to stay up until 10pm or so to get on their clock...then sleep until 3pm and not be tired until 4am the next day, continuing that pattern for 3-4 days. I had to fly back to Europe for an exam in January and I specifically booked a flight 5 days in advance of the day just to be sure I'd be in the right time zone...though, also because flying there and back in the space of 48 hours sounded horrifying. Which is weird, ten years ago I took 40 hour bus rides across Canada without much of a thought.
   58. dlf Posted: February 24, 2014 at 09:55 AM (#4661356)
am I permitted to gripe about the flight to India out of Chicago ...

Just the noise and the smell


I haven't taken the flight from Chicago, but have flown to India (primarily Mumbai or B'lore and once Goa) from JFK and ATL, as well as connecting through various European cities a little more than a dozen times over the past half decade. One thing I've noticed is that - I suspect due to significantly different foods and spices - body chemistry is very different in India. Normal body ordors (not talking about people with physical tasks, etc.) are just different and bathrooms have a distinctly different smell. Not better, not worse, just different.

If they have any sense they will fly Emirates Air First Class and it is absolutely an easy trip.


I've flown Emirates business class and coach but never first class. Seats were nice, plenty of leg room, and all the little amenities. But what really struck me is that when flying a US carrier, the flight crews on the long haul flights are the most senior employees. But on Emirates, the cabin attendants were all 21-25 years old and stunning.

I recently graduated from college, so I'm still pretty new to the world of business travel, but my business trip experiences aren't that fun, even when I have gone to someplace interesting. Usually, I'm trapped in meetings or training sessions from early morning to sometime in the evening. I then grab dinner and maybe try to get some work done. If I'm lucky, I get to try a restaurant near the hotel or head to a bar for a couple of drinks.


Other than not having recently graduated, I can cosign this nearly 100%. Perhaps that opinion is influenced by the fact I'm sitting in a Delta Sky Club waiting on one more flight, but business travel just isn't fun. People talk about waking up in a hotel room and not knowing where you are ... that is nothing; try waking up at home and not being sure where you are.

I have, however, taken to trying to add a day or two at the beginning or end of trips that are more than one day up and back outings and have my wife and/or kids join me. I may have to go to a conference, business meeting or client visit in Philly or Chicago or New Orleans or West Palm or Waterloo just about anywhere for 2-3 days, but they can tour and then we can have a nice meal and see a site or two the day before or after the session. That can be nice. Most years I have something like 100-125 flight segments, if I can get family to join me on 10% that turns a chore into a pleasure.

Am I the only one who doesn't get jet lag? If you sleep badly does it not affect you? I had some crazy flights in the past (LA/NZ, NZ/Thailand, Poland/NY) and never felt the effects.


I've never had jet lag during a liesure trip, but I can suffer it after long haul trips for business. The difference is the excitement level. If I go to Australia for fun, I sleep on the flight, maybe catnap when I get to the hotel, and then am excited to begin to tour. But if I go to India for business, it is just another day at the office and the travel is more wearing.
   59. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: February 24, 2014 at 10:20 AM (#4661368)
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   60. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: February 24, 2014 at 10:29 AM (#4661371)
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