The dislike between the Cardinals and Brewers was evident throughout the season and it carried into the NLCS. One of the off-field issues between the teams involved the location of the family section seats in St. Louis. The Brewers were unhappy that the tickets for family members were spread throughout Busch Stadium. Nyjer Morgan reportedly felt it was a “bush league” move by the Cardinals. One person who agreed was Zack Greinke’s wife, who was dissatisfied with her seat.
Following Milwaukee’s Game 5 loss in St. Louis, Emily Greinke wrote on Twitter “Thanks Cards for the lovely seats in the outfield! I hope our behind home plate seats for you mysteriously disappear!”
...The seat problems were said to be a non-issue after Game 3, but obviously that wasn’t the case. I can understand why the Brewers would want to receive equal treatment for their family members on the road. But between Emily’s complaint, and Zack’s pre-series comments about Chris Carpenter, I’m sure Brewers fans have had enough talk from the Greinke. There is no doubt the Cardinals got the last laugh.
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1. SouthSideRyan
Posted: October 17, 2011 at 11:43 PM (#3966712)
If you lose you say nothing because it makes you whiny and stupid. If you win you say nothing because you won the freakin thing and it looks whiny and stupid. In otherwords you don't make public statements about this.
3. Bob Tufts
Posted: October 17, 2011 at 11:49 PM (#3966718)
This is gamemanship with potential consequneces.
Usually there is an area in which visiting families can sit that can be contorlled and monitored by security. You tend to not play well if your family is suddenly stationed in the middle of the bleacher creatures and made the "mistake" of wearing team colors.
I cannot find a story, but I was told once that the O's resold tickets that wree supposed to go to Indians families and put them in cheaper upper deck seats.
FWIW, Dierdre Pujols has been shown on Fox sitting in the outfield a number of times this year, pretty sure at least once in LA. I'm guessing the Cardinals FO didn't realize that something like this would be an issue; probably never even gave it a second thought.
13. tshipman
Posted: October 18, 2011 at 01:27 AM (#3966793)
FWIW, Dierdre Pujols has been shown on Fox sitting in the outfield a number of times this year, pretty sure at least once in LA. I'm guessing the Cardinals FO didn't realize that something like this would be an issue; probably never even gave it a second thought.
They don't think that doing something out of practice with the rest of baseball would not be an issue?
Did the players' wives have to pay for these seats? If they didn't, then I don't want to hear any complaints. If they did have to pay, then fine.
The paying customers are the ones whose concerns should be heard.
The players wives are at greater risk of being harassed than the average paying fan. This is a totally legit gripe expressed in a stupid way.
Can't a hot, rich blonde woman in America catch a break these days?
15. WillYoung
Posted: October 18, 2011 at 01:34 AM (#3966801)
Also ... tweeting about this is dumb but apparently everybody under the age of 30 has to say something stupid on twitter.
I've never said something stupid, or anything at all for that matter, on Twitter. But I'll be 30 in three months (which is a little frightening) so maybe I'm just old.
The players wives are at greater risk of being harassed than the average paying fan.
Because they are acting stupidly? I mean I guess if Alyssa Milano or Halle Berry are out there then there would be an increased risk of being harassed but I don't see a wife being an increased risk of harm than a normal fan if she acts appropiately. If she is endangered while mingling with fans then she will in danger in her own section. Yeah there might be more security but a security guard isn't going to stop the first couple of punches or a beer bottle flying through the air.
McCoy- that's not really true. She's definitely more exposed in a dugout box (not "outfield", that looks like section 164, which was a pretty nice seat) than she would be in a party suite. OTOH, as I pointed out earlier, Cardinals' players wives have sat in much worse seats this season (LA bleachers 3 weeks after a visiting fan was beaten in the parking lot), and not complained.
However, the Cardinals gave the Brewers 150 party suite seats... Does the wife of the ace pitcher not rate one of those? Maybe her complaint should have been with the brewers traveling secretary?
She's definitely more exposed in a dugout box (not "outfield", that looks like section 164, which was a pretty nice seat) than she would be in a party suite.
Well, yeah, that goes without saying but I wasn't really expecting the wives to get suites. I didn't think they usually sat in suites. Do they do that for the playoffs only? I've always heard the wive's section was out in the open.
19. Shredder
Posted: October 18, 2011 at 02:17 AM (#3966835)
If it makes you feel better, Will, you said plenty of stupid things here before there was a Twitter. :)
As for seats, in the regular season, I think visiting team tickets are all usually in the same section. Back when I would occasionally get tickets from Fred Claire, we got tickets to away games in Anaheim and San Diego. All of the tickets that were given/sold to the Dodgers (at least for us normal folk) were in the same section.
Can't a hot, rich blonde woman in America catch a break these days?
This prompted me to hit the google. She's well above replacement level, even for a ballplayer's wife.
21. base ball chick
Posted: October 18, 2011 at 04:04 AM (#3966934)
i'm not sure why the players families are herded together. except for celebrity wives like jenny finch, who even knows if some woman is a player's wife?
as for the wives not needing security - craig biggio's wife was physically attacked by some man at the white sox WS. you seat a bunch of women together in a section marked - WIVES ONLY - folks just might could know who they are even if they don't know whose wife they are
In the 1979 World Series the Orioles stuck the Pirates' wives in the uncovered upper deck behind home plate, and it rained in all four games in Baltimore. They retaliated by singing "We Are Fam-i-lee" over and over while their husbands won the last 3 of those games, much to the torture of O's fans like me who were sitting right in front of them. IIRC all of them seemed to be having a grand time under their umbrellas, and I don't remember hearing any of them complaining about the dissing.
23. Gern Blanston
Posted: October 18, 2011 at 04:32 AM (#3966945)
The players wives are at greater risk of being harassed than the average paying fan.
What? Even among The Best Fans in Baseball™?
24. KT's Pot Arb
Posted: October 18, 2011 at 04:37 AM (#3966948)
I think we can all agree that the Cardinals are a busch league organization.
25. cardsfanboy
Posted: October 18, 2011 at 04:44 AM (#3966951)
However, the Cardinals gave the Brewers 150 party suite seats... Does the wife of the ace pitcher not rate one of those? Maybe her complaint should have been with the brewers traveling secretary?
That is what I was wondering, the Cardinals claimed that this is the same thing they do every post season, they give out party suites in a luxury box to the visiting team to provide better security, if for some reason she didn't get those tickets, shouldn't the complaint be aimed at the people on the Brewers who allocated the tickets?
more whining from the biggest whining team in baseball, it would be nice if the Brewers could play one series where they didn't whine about the Cardinals.
26. cardsfanboy
Posted: October 18, 2011 at 04:48 AM (#3966953)
They don't think that doing something out of practice with the rest of baseball would not be an issue?
I think you missed the point of Sleepy's comment, he was pointing out that other teams did that to the Cardinals, and that they probably thought it was no big deal, the Tigers, Mets, Phillies, Dodgers, and Padres never complained about the Cardinals doing that before, and they didn't change anything just for the Brewers.
27. SouthSideRyan
Posted: October 18, 2011 at 04:58 AM (#3966959)
The Cardinal wives were probably too drunk to realize what section they were sitting in.
28. esseff
Posted: October 18, 2011 at 05:21 AM (#3966964)
This sort of thing goes back to at least the 1944 World Series, when Emil Verban famously called out Browns owner Don Barnes because of the crappy seat location given to Mrs. Emil Verban in the Browns' home games (the entire WS was played in the same park that year).
Greinke is more flaky than ben sheets. Both had one great season.
30. OsunaSakata
Posted: October 18, 2011 at 06:29 AM (#3966977)
As for seats, in the regular season, I think visiting team tickets are all usually in the same section. Back when I would occasionally get tickets from Fred Claire, we got tickets to away games in Anaheim and San Diego. All of the tickets that were given/sold to the Dodgers (at least for us normal folk) were in the same section.
This was the standard practice in Camden Yards. This is how I was able to spot Mia Hamm, be all fanboy and get a picture with her.
31. Chicago Joe
Posted: October 18, 2011 at 07:00 AM (#3966981)
The Cardinal wives were probably too drunk to realize what section they were sitting sleeping in.
more whining from the biggest whining team in baseball, it would be nice if the Brewers could play one series where they didn't whine about the Cardinals.
Pot meet kettle... and in this case, the kettle is electric, and made out of white plastic.
33. Lassus
Posted: October 18, 2011 at 11:59 AM (#3967011)
The paying customers are the ones whose concerns should be heard.
What sort of location complaints would people who knew where there seats were make?
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1. SouthSideRyan Posted: October 17, 2011 at 11:43 PM (#3966712)Usually there is an area in which visiting families can sit that can be contorlled and monitored by security. You tend to not play well if your family is suddenly stationed in the middle of the bleacher creatures and made the "mistake" of wearing team colors.
I cannot find a story, but I was told once that the O's resold tickets that wree supposed to go to Indians families and put them in cheaper upper deck seats.
That's what she said.
Not seating them together is very bush league.
Not seating them together is moronic from a security standpoint.
MLB should step in here and simply lay down rules on how teams handle this.
Also ... tweeting about this is dumb but apparently everybody under the age of 30 has to say something stupid on twitter.
And ... really, people follow Emily Greinke on twitter. Our world is doomed.
The paying customers are the ones whose concerns should be heard.
They don't think that doing something out of practice with the rest of baseball would not be an issue?
The players wives are at greater risk of being harassed than the average paying fan. This is a totally legit gripe expressed in a stupid way.
I've never said something stupid, or anything at all for that matter, on Twitter. But I'll be 30 in three months (which is a little frightening) so maybe I'm just old.
Because they are acting stupidly? I mean I guess if Alyssa Milano or Halle Berry are out there then there would be an increased risk of being harassed but I don't see a wife being an increased risk of harm than a normal fan if she acts appropiately. If she is endangered while mingling with fans then she will in danger in her own section. Yeah there might be more security but a security guard isn't going to stop the first couple of punches or a beer bottle flying through the air.
However, the Cardinals gave the Brewers 150 party suite seats... Does the wife of the ace pitcher not rate one of those? Maybe her complaint should have been with the brewers traveling secretary?
Well, yeah, that goes without saying but I wasn't really expecting the wives to get suites. I didn't think they usually sat in suites. Do they do that for the playoffs only? I've always heard the wive's section was out in the open.
As for seats, in the regular season, I think visiting team tickets are all usually in the same section. Back when I would occasionally get tickets from Fred Claire, we got tickets to away games in Anaheim and San Diego. All of the tickets that were given/sold to the Dodgers (at least for us normal folk) were in the same section.
as for the wives not needing security - craig biggio's wife was physically attacked by some man at the white sox WS. you seat a bunch of women together in a section marked - WIVES ONLY - folks just might could know who they are even if they don't know whose wife they are
What? Even among The Best Fans in Baseball™?
That is what I was wondering, the Cardinals claimed that this is the same thing they do every post season, they give out party suites in a luxury box to the visiting team to provide better security, if for some reason she didn't get those tickets, shouldn't the complaint be aimed at the people on the Brewers who allocated the tickets?
more whining from the biggest whining team in baseball, it would be nice if the Brewers could play one series where they didn't whine about the Cardinals.
I think you missed the point of Sleepy's comment, he was pointing out that other teams did that to the Cardinals, and that they probably thought it was no big deal, the Tigers, Mets, Phillies, Dodgers, and Padres never complained about the Cardinals doing that before, and they didn't change anything just for the Brewers.
This was the standard practice in Camden Yards. This is how I was able to spot Mia Hamm, be all fanboy and get a picture with her.
FTFY.
Pot meet kettle... and in this case, the kettle is electric, and made out of white plastic.
What sort of location complaints would people who knew where there seats were make?
*applauds*
Hey! I paid for a bleacher seat, and they moved me behind home plate to accomodate some opponents wife! The dastards!
I LOL'ed.
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