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Thursday, November 15, 2007

2008 ZiPS Projections - Los Angeles Dodgers

Two years into his stint with the Dodgers, Ned Colletti still hasn’t shown that he understands the strengths and weakness of the team and has never shown the slightest sign that he makes player moves with any regard to any kind of plan, whether short-term, or long-term, or even good or bad.  Like a 6-year-old bawling in a grocery store, Colitis sees familiar brand names and bright shiny colors, and stale gum in fancy-looking machines, and wants wants WANTS it NOW NOW NOW.  The Juan Pierre signing was bad on so many levels - he misidentified a need, got a player that wouldn’t fix that need even if it did exist, and then he paid that player as if that player was not only capable of filling that non-existent need, but actually contributing even more.  And now the rumors are that Pierre’s going to move to left, making him even less valuable to the team.  If Johan Santana is really available for Kemp and another prospect, the Dodgers might as well pull the trigger now and let the kid have a career.

It really is a shame.  Dan Evans did a wonderful job putting together a top-notch player development plan.  DePodesta kept it in place and added some of the most valuable players on the Dodgers, two years after his departure in Penny, Lowe, and Kent.  The Dodgers have resources and should be one of the teams challenging the Mets and Padres as the best in the league in 2008.

Joe Torre’s in no danger of being remembered for his stint with the Dodgers, luckily for him.  Just imagine how history would have been different if Colletti became the Yankees’ GM in the mid-90s.  “Jeter who?  Kevin Elster’s a free agent!  I ain’t turning over the closer job to some Marinara Rivera guy, get me Jeff Shaw’s phone number!”


Name               P Age   AVG   OBP   SLG   G AB   R   H 2B 3B HR RBI BB   K SB CS
Matt Kemp           rf 23 .303 .348 .483 158 557 88 169 34 6 18 77 37 118 19 7
AVERAGE 1B——————- 1b——.280 .361 .472—————————————————————
James Loney*        1b 24 .296 .350 .470 162 558 69 165 37 6 16 86 46 81 4 2
Andre Ethier*        lf 26 .288 .357 .459 161 514 72 148 32 4 16 71 52 94 2 5
AVERAGE LF——————- lf——.279 .352 .463—————————————————————
AVERAGE RF——————- rf——.278 .350 .465—————————————————————
Russell Martin       c   25 .280 .365 .432 159 535 86 150 32 2 15 78 68 79 13 8
Jeff Kent           2b 40 .268 .352 .444 109 396 58 106 26 1 14 61 47 61 1 2
AVERAGE 3B——————- 3b——.276 .346 .445—————————————————————
Andy LaRoche         3b 24 .256 .343 .431 130 441 53 113 24 1 17 60 56 76 5 4
AVERAGE CF——————- cf——.273 .339 .422—————————————————————
AVERAGE 2B——————- 2b——.278 .340 .411—————————————————————
John Lindsey         1b 31 .253 .322 .438 87 297 33 75 17 1 12 49 22 67 1 0
Rafael Furcal#        ss 30 .276 .346 .387 154 631 101 174 26 7 10 55 68 83 29 9
AVERAGE SS——————- ss——.276 .333 .404—————————————————————
AVERAGE C——————— c——.262 .325 .405—————————————————————
Mark Sweeney*        1b 38 .246 .340 .377 73 122 17 30 7 0 3 16 15 30 1 0
Nomar Garciaparra     3b 34 .268 .329 .384 96 354 43 95 17 0 8 50 30 29 1 0
Olmedo Saenz         1b 37 .231 .311 .413 57 104 12 24 7 0 4 18   9 25 0 0
Luis Gonzalez*        lf 40 .244 .326 .384 133 438 60 107 26 1 11 51 49 55 2 1
Shea Hillenbrand       1b 32 .270 .316 .388 116 433 54 117 19 1 10 51 18 86 1 1
Marshall McDougall     3b 29 .255 .299 .421 77 271 28 69 16 1 9 42 17 52 1 1
Delwyn Young#        rf 26 .255 .295 .408 152 595 71 152 43 3 14 74 32 130 3 3
Mike Lieberthal       c   36 .247 .309 .374 59 174 19 43 10 0 4 20 11 17 0 0
Tony Abreu           2b 23 .267 .313 .362 124 450 57 120 26 4 3 37 24 66 4 2
Juan Pierre*        cf 30 .277 .318 .347 157 657 88 182 25 9 1 40 33 41 47 14
Jason Repko         cf 27 .235 .297 .396 105 260 41 61 14 2 8 30 19 67 7 4
Chin-lung Hu         ss 24 .260 .302 .375 142 550 67 143 26 5 9 43 32 64 9 6
Luis Maza           2b 28 .238 .289 .358 108 369 42 88 16 2 8 39 22 65 1 1
Kevin Howard*        3b 27 .244 .292 .343 120 435 45 106 18 2 7 44 27 74 6 3
Wilson Valdez         ss 30 .243 .298 .311 125 415 56 101 18 2 2 28 31 54 12 6
Choo Freeman         cf 28 .226 .289 .327 91 266 28 60 8 2 5 26 21 73 2 2
Ivan DeJesus         ss 21 .235 .298 .283 134 477 51 112 15 1 2 35 41 83 10 6
Ramon Martinez       2b 35 .231 .294 .264 44 91 10 21 3 0 0 12   8 11 0 0
Chad Moeller         c   33 .195 .254 .292 68 185 15 36 6 0 4 17 13 52 0 0
Blake Dewitt*        3b 22 .206 .249 .307 140 548 41 113 20 1 11 43 31 99 2 5
Ken Huckaby         c   37 .202 .222 .227 63 198   9 40 5 0 0 13   4 52 1 0

* - Bats Left
# = Switch-Hitter

Name           CThr 1b 2b 3b ss lf cf rf
Kemp                     Vg Fr Vg
Loney*            Av           Av
Ethier*                    Vg   Av
Martin         Av                
Kent             Av Fr          
LaRoche               Av   Av    
Lindsey           Av       Fr    
Furcal#                  Av      
Sweeney*          Fr       Fr    
Garciaparra         Av   Fr        
Saenz             Pr   Pr        
Gonzalez*                  Av    
The Egalitarian       Av   Pr        
McDougall           Av Fr Av        
Young#                    Fr   Pr
Lieberthal       Av                
Abreu               Av Av Fr      
Pierre*                      Av  
Repko                     Vg Vg Vg
Hu                 Vg   Vg      
Maza               Fr Av   Av    
Howard*            Av Fr Fr        
Valdez               Vg Vg Vg      
Freeman                   Vg Pr  
DeJesus             Av   Av      
Martinez             Fr Fr Pr      
Moeller         Fr                
Dewitt*                Av        
Huckaby         Vg                

Player Spotlight - Matt Kemp
Name           AVG   OBP   SLG   G AB   R   H 2B 3B HR RBI BB   K SB CS
Optimistic (15%)  .323 .374 .539 162 557 102 180 38 8 22 95 43 106 25 6
Mean         .303 .348 .483 158 557 88 169 34 6 18 77 37 118 19 7  
Pessimistic (15%) .282 .323 .427 128 440 61 124 23 4 11 49 26 104 11 7

Top Near-Age Offensive Comps: Al Cowens, Terry Puhl

Name               Age   ERA   W   L   G GS   INN   H   ER HR   BB   K
Takashi Saito         38   2.05   4   1 66   0   66.0   48   15   5   18   80
Jonathan Broxton       24   2.91   6   2 91   0   96.0   80   31   8   29 115
Brad Penny           30   3.82 12   9 33 33   200.0 204   85 16   61 142
Joe Beimel*          31   3.95   3   2 73   0   73.0   75   32   5   25   42
Derek Lowe           35   3.99 14 11 34 33   210.0 216   93 22   58 135
Chad Billingsley       23   4.00 12   9 31 31   180.0 174   80 19   78 154
Eric Hull           28   4.00   3   3 54   0   72.0   68   32   7   32   66
Jason Schmidt         35   4.08   9   8 19 19   119.0 112   54 12   50 113
Rudy Seanez           39   4.15   4   4 61   0   65.0   63   30   8   28   67
LEAGUE AVERAGE RELIEVER———4.28———————————————————————-
Hong-chih Kuo*        26   4.38   5   4 33 10   78.0   74   38   9   33   80
Scott Proctor         31   4.65   5   5 79   0   93.0   91   48 16   39   84
LEAGUE-AVERAGE STARTER———- 4.69———————————————————————-
Esteban Loaiza         36   4.89   8 10 22 22   127.0 138   69 18   43   90
Roberto Hernandez       43   4.92   3   3 56   0   53.0   57   29   6   29   37
Mark Hendrickson*      34   4.94   7   9 32 21   142.0 158   78 17   48   94
Jonathan Meloan       23   5.00   3   5 48   1   72.0   69   40 14   32   76
Randy Wolf*          31   5.03   5   6 17 17   93.0   99   52 14   42   75
Eric Stults*          28   5.14   7 11 29 24   147.0 163   84 21   57 103
D.J. Houlton         28   5.15   7   9 35 22   138.0 149   79 23   53   97
Spike Lundberg         31   5.40   6   9 32 16   120.0 139   72 18   46   68
David Wells*          45   5.46   6 10 24 24   140.0 172   85 22   35   77
Brian Akin           26   5.59   3   4 46   1   87.0   91   54 14   52   73
Luis Gonzalez*        25   5.64   3   6 45   0   59.0   59   37   6   52   45
Scott Elbert*        22   5.74   7 14 16 15   80.0   80   51 13   58   69
Greg Miller*          23   5.96   2   4 43   9   77.0   75   51   8   84   64
Mark Alexander         27   6.16   2   6 55   0   76.0   82   52 17   44   68
William Juarez         27   6.28   5 11 27 19   116.0 138   81 22   55   64
Rick Bauer           31   6.29   3   6 50   5   83.0   95   58 18   44   61
Justin Orenduff       25   6.50   4 10 23 21   101.0 117   73 25   47   81
Mike Megrew*          24   6.56   3   8 22 16   85.0   96   62 16   60   59
Zach Hammes           24   6.75   3   9 36 11   108.0 131   81 24   51   66
Clayton Kershaw*      20   7.69   4   9 24 22   96.0 103   82 17   62   80

* - Throws Left

Player Spotlight - Chad Billingsley
              ERA   W   L   G GS INN   H   ER HR   BB   K
Optimistic (15%)  3.27 16   8 34 34 201 178   73 16   82 184
Mean           4.00 12   9 31 31 180 174   80 19   78 154
Pessimistic (15%)  4.78   8 10 26 26 145 151   77 19   75 117

Top Near-Age Comps:  Gary Nolan, Jim Palmer

Disclaimer:  ZiPS projections are computer-based projections of performance. 
Performances have not been allocated to predicted playing time in the majors -
many of the players listed above are unlikely to play in the majors at all in 2008. 
ZiPS is projecting equivalent production - a .240 ZiPS projection may end up
being .280 in AAA or .300 in AA, for example.  Whether or not a player will play
is one of many non-statistical factors one has to take into account when predicting
the future.

Players are listed with their most recent teams unless Dan has made a mistake. 
This is very possible as a lot of minor-league signings are generally unreported in
the offseason. 

ZiPS is projecting based on the AL having a 4.49 ERA and the NL having a 4.40 ERA.

Dan Szymborski Posted: November 15, 2007 at 06:10 AM | 40 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Justin T is going to crush some tacos Thursday Posted: November 15, 2007 at 06:34 AM (#2615433)
I would like for Loney to be freed as well so that I can get maximum enjoyment out of Colitis's bumbling. That Dodgers-Giants rivalry is gonna be fierce as they duke it out for fourth place through the aughts and beyond.
   2. Dan Szymborski Posted: November 15, 2007 at 06:50 AM (#2615448)
Before anyone says anything, I agree that Loney will beat the projection.
   3. npurcell Posted: November 15, 2007 at 06:51 AM (#2615449)
Some of these seem conservative for the younger players.
   4. npurcell Posted: November 15, 2007 at 06:53 AM (#2615451)
Also, I think Furcal will have a bounce back year. He was held back by that ankle injury and compounded further with a shoulder injury.

It's also his contract year, so yeah.

Interesting that Martin's BA/SLG/ISOd projections are virtually identical from 2007 to 2008. ZIPS must not really be a believer in his power spike.
   5. 1k5v3L Posted: November 15, 2007 at 06:54 AM (#2615452)
Some of these seem conservative for the younger players.


That's what a lot of Diamondbacks fans were saying last offseason.
   6. 1k5v3L Posted: November 15, 2007 at 06:56 AM (#2615453)
ZIPS must not really be a believer in his power spike.


It's called the "LoDuca Power Spike" rule. OK, OK, so I'm a Martin believer.
   7. npurcell Posted: November 15, 2007 at 06:58 AM (#2615454)
That's what a lot of Diamondbacks fans were saying last offseason.



True, but Loney, Martin, Kemp and Billingsley all blew away their ZIPs projections from 2007. Ethier was the only one that got significant playing time and was right around the ZIPs projections.
   8. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: November 15, 2007 at 06:59 AM (#2615455)
What happened to Delwyn Young? He's gone Hee Seop Choi.
   9. 1k5v3L Posted: November 15, 2007 at 07:05 AM (#2615463)

True, but Loney, Martin, Kemp and Billingsley all blew away their ZIPs projections from 2007.


So they can only get better, you say? Sounds like a Mets fan's argument about why Reyes was going to win the NL MVP in 2007, given his 2006 season... Incidentally, I believe both Quentin and Drew blew away their ZIPS projections in 2006 once they got called up. I blame ZIPS, of course.
   10. npurcell Posted: November 15, 2007 at 07:11 AM (#2615467)
So they can only get better, you say?


No I never said that. Looking at it closer, the only real qualms I have are Martin's slg projections and Billingsley's era projection.

Everything else looks about right. Alot more conservative than Bill James' projections but not as low as CHONE's so far.
   11. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: November 15, 2007 at 07:12 AM (#2615469)
Alot more conservative than Bill James' projections

Bill J's projections seem to love the young players a little much.
   12. BeanoCook Posted: November 15, 2007 at 07:14 AM (#2615472)
What happened to Martin?
   13. OCF Posted: November 15, 2007 at 07:30 AM (#2615478)
Like many catchers, it appears Martin could use more rest than he's getting in order to avoid crashing in September. Lieberthal is a free agent, and at his age you might want to consider the under on the projection above - although he was barely even used last year. Dan hasn't profiled anyone else worth looking at. So that is a Dodger need: backup catcher. (Remind me what they got for Dioner Navarro?)
   14. Repoz Posted: November 15, 2007 at 07:44 AM (#2615485)
Nomar's numbers are up to his retirement at the All-Star break, right?
   15.     Hey Gurl Posted: November 15, 2007 at 07:45 AM (#2615487)
It takes something pretty special to hit .277 and still rank that low in ... whatever metric Dan uses to sort these.
   16. Enrico Pallazzo Posted: November 15, 2007 at 07:51 AM (#2615493)
I think we're all in agreement that the youth should be given a shot. I don't get a lot of things Ned Colletti is doing. Apparently they've lost faith in Laroche for no apparent reason, on top of their many other issues that Dan documented well, and that the rest of us probably know all too well, whether we're Dodger fans or not (I'm not).

This is very unfortunate. So many wasted and misused resources.
   17. Frisco Cali Posted: November 15, 2007 at 07:52 AM (#2615495)
I love the current rumors that have Pierre moving to left. Who would be stupid enough to do that?
(Don't answer that question)
   18. Enrico Pallazzo Posted: November 15, 2007 at 07:59 AM (#2615502)
I won't. It's obvious you know the answer already haha.

Seriously though, what's wrong with going into 2008 with an Ethier, Pierre, Kemp outfield? (It's obvious whats wrong with that, but there's nothing the Dodgers can really do about it)
   19. akrasian Posted: November 15, 2007 at 08:14 AM (#2615510)
Seriously though, what's wrong with going into 2008 with an Ethier, Pierre, Kemp outfield? (It's obvious whats wrong with that, but there's nothing the Dodgers can really do about it)


Well, two separate issues. If that is the outfield, then Pierre should be in left. His offense is the same no matter where he plays, and since he has ok or above range still but a pathetic arm, he would play defensively best in left.

The problem is that Repko and Young should be rated above him, much less any free agent outfielders they sign.
   20. NBarnes Posted: November 15, 2007 at 09:20 AM (#2615528)
I used to be a Dodgers fan, but in the wake of the farce that's been Coletti's work as replacement for the unfairly maligned and ungraciously ejected DePodesta, I am rooting for humiliation and failure to haunt them until such time as their management grows a clue. Or the McCourts sell, which seems more likely.

"Humiliations galore!"
   21. Russ Posted: November 15, 2007 at 12:50 PM (#2615544)
Bill J's projections seem to love the young players a little much.


From a PR perspective, it's better to be aggressive in the young player predictions. If the young players DON'T meet the projections, you can almost always blame lack of playing time (because they'll usually get benched if they're really struggling). If the young player is beating the projection, they'll keep getting PT, reinforcing how smart you are.

The issue is that I'm guessing that Dan's predictions are really "mean" predictions and for for good, young players, the distribution of possible outcomes is probably positively skewed, i.e. there is a long right-hand tail of good things compared to a fairly short left hand tail of bad things that can happen. If he did median predictions, they would be even more conservative.

For older players, there's a lot more data, so their projection distribution is going to look much more symmetric and normally distributed.
   22. fra paolo Posted: November 15, 2007 at 01:12 PM (#2615546)
Dan Evans did a wonderful job putting together a top-notch player development plan

Absolutely! And he was coping well with reducing payroll. McCourt treated him badly.

the unfairly maligned and ungraciously ejected DePodesta

Those who gain by the ungracious ejection often end up getting ungraciously ejected themselves.

Really, though, I don't think McCourt has a clue about whom he wants to run his team or to what end. He just looks for the latest fashion, like those nerdy kids who go to nightclubs instead of sitting in their garages doing hard work with baseball statistics.
   23. John DiFool2 Posted: November 15, 2007 at 03:30 PM (#2615610)
Nomar Garciaparra 3b 34 .268 .329 .384


As a Sox fan the decline of what used to be one of the game most exciting players greatly saddens me, along with the fact that he never got to share in the Sox's 2 World Series. Sic Transit Gloria Mundi.
   24. AROM Posted: November 15, 2007 at 03:58 PM (#2615645)
My power projection for Kemp is about the same, but I think the upside of his power is the best on the team. It wouldn't surprise me at all if he explodes for a 35 homer season.
   25. Slinger Francisco Barrios (Dr. Memory) Posted: November 15, 2007 at 04:01 PM (#2615649)
Those who gain by the ungracious ejection often end up getting ungraciously ejected themselves.

Unless DePo undermined Evans, this isn't fair to DePo.
   26. ellsbury my heart at wounded knee Posted: November 15, 2007 at 04:03 PM (#2615655)
Wow, this is a better team than I realized.
   27. Dan Szymborski Posted: November 15, 2007 at 04:30 PM (#2615690)
Those who gain by the ungracious ejection often end up getting ungraciously ejected themselves.

Of course, Evans being packed off wasn't really DePo's fault.

The thing about DePodesta's stint is that while not everything worked out, like Jose Valentin as a stopgap 3rd baseman, his wrong moves never got in the way of the team's future.

All in all, DePodesta was given exactly one single offseason to implement a long-term plan.
   28. aleskel Posted: November 15, 2007 at 04:34 PM (#2615697)
so ... does ZiPS project when Scott Proctor is going to need rotator cuff surgery? I have July 17 in my Joe Torre Bullpen Destruction pool
   29. JPWF13 Posted: November 15, 2007 at 04:43 PM (#2615709)
Wow, this is a better team than I realized.


Yes, but the problem is that by all appearances Colitis doesn't realize it-
If the Twins and the Marlins play their hands correctly they can really re-tool this offseason at the Dodger's expense.

I can't remember where I read it, but allegedly someone in the Dodger's org. (Colitis himself?) wants Logan White out- if that happens and Colitis really is behind it, I think just about every thinking Dodgers fan may take a vacation from the team.
   30. Cowboy Popup Posted: November 15, 2007 at 05:03 PM (#2615737)
Ned Colletti is bad for baseball.
   31. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: November 15, 2007 at 05:07 PM (#2615742)
It takes something pretty special to hit .277 and still rank that low in ... whatever metric Dan uses to sort these.

I think it is runs created per game.
   32. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: November 15, 2007 at 07:04 PM (#2615939)
I ain't turning over the closer job to some Marinara Rivera guy, get me Jeff Shaw's phone number!"


Actually, the closer position was turned over to a rookie during Colletti's reign. Granted that was more Little's decision than Colletti's. But he did sign Saito.

Also, wow. Did Loney run over ZIPS' dog or something?
   33. shoewizard Posted: November 15, 2007 at 07:15 PM (#2615966)
Alot more conservative than Bill James' projections

Bill J's projections seem to love the young players a little much.


I was just talking to Levski about this the other day in the context of his Mark Reynolds projection

.294/.369/.537 .905 OPS YOWZA

Some of James other projections for Young Dodgers

Kemp .322/.365/.508 .873 OPS
Ethier .304/.371/.477 .847 OPS
Martin .292/.379/.456 .835 OPS
Laroche .275/.367/.458 .825 OPS
Loney .302/.359/.465 .823 OPS

Interesting that he has Loney doing worse in terms of OPS than the other 4. Loney's is the only projection about on par with Dan's...the rest of course much more optimistic.

all I can say is................GO DAN!!
   34. xeifrank Posted: November 15, 2007 at 07:45 PM (#2616020)
The Dodgers have a player at every position either at or above the league average marker except for of course Juan Pierre. An outfield of Ethier/Free Agent/Kemp (Pierre to bench) could fix this. The Dodgers also have five starting pitchers above the league average marker, with 3 or 4 well above it and a 6th right below the marker. They also have 4, (5 if you count Hull) relief pitchers above the league average marker. That's not bad. The questions for this team will be.

1. Can they get Pierre out of the lineup and use both Kemp and Ethier? (FA-A.Jones/T.Hunter?)
2. Will LaRoche get a shot to start at 3B? If so, can he match these Zips numbers??
3. How healthy will the bottom part of the rotation be? (Schmidt and Guo)

vr, Xeifrank
   35. Los Angeles Waterloo of Black Hawk Posted: November 15, 2007 at 08:00 PM (#2616042)
That pessimistic projection for Kemp seems a bit high, no? Last year the guy hit .442 when not striking out (even higher than Ryan Howard!), when in the minors he hit .390 when hitting the ball. Your pessimistic projection does have him down at .369 ... the league hit .330 when not K'ing last year. If he doesn't cut his strikeouts, I think it will be hard for him to clear a .300 average in that ballpark.
   36. Dan Szymborski Posted: November 15, 2007 at 08:11 PM (#2616056)
Also, wow. Did Loney run over ZIPS' dog or something?

Loney was actually quite bad in Las Vegas this year - Chone and I both have that stint translated as a sub-.600 OPS. His 2005 Jacksonville numbers also left much to be desired (translation of 250/316/366).
   37. Iwakuma Chameleon (jonathan) Posted: November 16, 2007 at 05:18 PM (#2617454)
Yes, the A's would be happy to trade Joe Blanton for Andy Laroche and friends and then unceremoniously ship Eric Chavez off to whoever finds themself the big loser in all this ARod/Lowell/MiggyCab third base hunting fun.
   38. Walt Davis Posted: November 16, 2007 at 06:45 PM (#2617575)
On Pierre: I'd say the chances the Dodgers cut bait this year are near zero -- too much money, too many years. Sure, it would make sense to bench him (sunk costs and all), but it's just not how it works in baseball really. It's not even clear that Colletti is unsatisfied, even if he is he probably thinks it was just a down year, and it's not like Torre hasn't put up with some dreck in CF the last few years. And in Colletti's "defense", that offense projects well enough that it can carry Pierre, especially in the #8 spot.

Still, this is a test for Colletti -- let's see how long it takes them to cut bait on Pierre. If anything happens this offseason, I suspect it will be something like Pierre and a boatload of money ($20 M?) to the Marlins for pretty much nothing.
   39. 1k5v3L Posted: November 16, 2007 at 06:53 PM (#2617588)
I suspect it will be something like Pierre and a boatload of money ($20 M?) to the Marlins for pretty much nothing


I think I mentioned this in the Hunter to LAD thread (Rosenthal's pontification article), but the Dodgers might as well see if they can include Pierre in a package for Miguel Cabrera. Basically the Dodgers would have to send a bolus of cash to FLA to cover most of Pierre's contract, but that solves FLA's need for a centerfielder (sort of), and probably allows the Dodgers to retain Kemp. A package of LaRoche, Billingsley, Pierre and a lot of cash for Cabrera should get the deal done.
   40. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: November 17, 2007 at 10:25 AM (#2618308)
Wow, I'd be intrigued to see Broxton's optimistic projection, if that's his regular one. He appears to be good at baseball.

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