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Wednesday, May 11, 2005

Astros - DLed Bags

Houston Astros - Placed 1B Jeff Bagwell on the 15-day DL; purchased 1B Todd Self.

Bagwell’s on the shelf with a shoulder sprain.  A few years ago, you’d regret losing Bagwell, but he’s almost a non-entity due his power decline.  He’s still drawing walks, but I don’t expect that to last now that he can’t punish mistakes.

Todd Self is an interesting player.  He’s now mostly known as the guy who got trapped in the dugout bathroom, but despite being advanced slowly (in part because they’ve tried to make him a good outfielder, which they can’t), he should definitely hit a bit at the major league level.  He might be Mark Grace without the slick glove, but that’s a usable player.  Self could also stand to put on a little weight.

This is rapidly becoming a lost season for the Astros and it will be a shame if they really just make Mike Lamb the starting 1B instead of giving Self a shot.  Self won’t be great, but what good is it finding out what Mike Lamb will do at this point?

Dan Szymborski Posted: May 11, 2005 at 01:06 PM | 21 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Gromit45 Posted: May 11, 2005 at 02:38 PM (#1328496)
Already anticipating the headline for when Bagwell comes back and Self is sent down:

"Astro are a Self-less team"
   2. 1k5v3L Posted: May 11, 2005 at 02:39 PM (#1328502)
He’s now mostly known as the guy who got trapped in the dugout bathroom,

I thought that was Jeff Liefer.
   3. Dan Szymborski Posted: May 11, 2005 at 02:58 PM (#1328529)
Here's the description of the incident from the Roanoke Times a few years ago:

The Avalanche was up 12-0 in the top of the ninth inning. The bases were loaded with one out and Self was facing a 3-1 count.

"I swung at a bad pitch but I still put it in play," Self said, clearly still unhappy at the memory of his pop out. "I was more mad about swinging at the bad pitch than the pop out."

Self stalked off the field and into the dugout bathroom. "I shut the door pretty hard," he said. "Something in the door broke and I was locked in."

Self yelled for help, but none came.

"I was hollering and they were laughing at me," he said.

Self was still locked in the bathroom when the Avalanche took the field for the bottom half of the ninth inning, leaving his first-base duties to Joe Lydic. At the end of the game, the rest of the team left Self and headed across the field to the visitors' clubhouse.

Self was freed by the Kinston general manager and groundskeeper, who slid a metal scraper under the door for Self to use to break out.

"Once they got me a tool, I was out in like 15 seconds," he said.

It'll take a lot longer before any of his Avalanche teammates let him forget.
   4. 1k5v3L Posted: May 11, 2005 at 03:16 PM (#1328560)
Sweet. This is the story I had in mind:

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1793304

Updated: May 13, 2004, 9:11 AM ET
First baseman gets trapped, delays game 20 minutes
Associated Press

The wait for the bathroom never was supposed to be this long.

Former big leaguer Jeff Liefer got locked inside a dugout bathroom, forcing a 20-minute delay in Thursday night's Triple-A game between the Indianapolis Indians and Louisville.

"I went to the restroom, a perfectly normal thing to do during the game," Liefer said Friday. "When I went to leave, the handle didn't want to work on the door, so I was stuck."

Indians teammate Matt Erickson was waiting in line and heard the first baseman say he was trapped.

The umpires agreed to delay the start of the fourth inning while maintenance workers at the Indianapolis ballpark opened a vent above the door and handed Liefer tools to unscrew the handle.

When Liefer and the Indians ran back onto the field, a gift of toilet paper was waiting from the Louisville dugout.

During the delay, fans at Victory Field were told something was going on.

"They announced that an Indians player was being temporarily detained in the clubhouse, which can be interpreted a million different ways, I suppose," Liefer told WTHR-TV.

"The place erupted when I came back out on the field," he said. "When I got back out there everybody knew what happened. Maybe it just kind of spread, I don't know."

Liefer, 29, was a 1995 first-round pick by the Chicago White Sox and played in the majors for them from 1999-02. Last season, he split time between Montreal and Tampa Bay.

"Maybe his California lifestyle had something to do with him getting locked in there, I don't know," former Montreal teammate Jamey Carroll said before the Expos' game against Los Angeles on Friday night.

"I hope he's not too damaged from it. I'm going to have to make a phone call to see how he's recovering. But that's definitely going in the memory bank, and it'll be pulled out when he gets called up."

Said former Expos teammate Brian Schneider: "I mean, I might be embarrassed if that happened to me, but Lief's a great dude, and that's a good story right there."

Entering this weekend, Liefer was batting .328 with a team-leading 15 RBIs and three homers for the Milwaukee Brewers' affiliate in the International League.

Perhaps his previous most memorable moment came in 2002 with Chicago. After Mike Cameron had already hit four home runs in the game, he sent a long drive to right field that Liefer caught on the run at the front of the warning track.

"I don't want to be remembered as the guy who got stuck in the bathroom," Liefer said. "Hopefully, it will happen to someone else so it won't be such a big deal."
   5. MikeinMI Posted: May 11, 2005 at 03:21 PM (#1328569)
Pass.

Does anyone know why he wrote that in the first place?
   6. Dan Szymborski Posted: May 11, 2005 at 03:24 PM (#1328577)
Couldn't think of anything to say.

But I'm hardly unbiased given my cordial dislike of James.

When are we going to get some government hearings on these death-trap bathrooms?
   7. The definitely immoral Eric Enders Posted: May 11, 2005 at 04:03 PM (#1328670)
At first I thought "Pass" was just a lame cop-out, but later heard that it was an inside joke of some sort. Anybody know the real story?
   8. Pat Rapper's Delight Posted: May 11, 2005 at 04:30 PM (#1328746)
At first I thought "Pass" was just a lame cop-out, but later heard that it was an inside joke of some sort. Anybody know the real story?

Check Bill James's comment on Bagwell in the 1B section of the NHBA.
   9. The definitely immoral Eric Enders Posted: May 11, 2005 at 04:37 PM (#1328767)
Uh, thanks, I'm well aware of the NHBA. I was merely speculating on whether James' "Pass" comment was was just laziness on his part, or some sort of inside joke. I've heard it was the latter.
   10. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: May 11, 2005 at 04:47 PM (#1328802)
Maybe a reference to walks?
   11. The definitely immoral Eric Enders Posted: May 11, 2005 at 04:53 PM (#1328822)
James famously predicted Bagwell's superstardom in 1990 or so, so I thought maybe it had something to do with that. Who knows.
   12. base ball chick Posted: May 11, 2005 at 06:03 PM (#1329238)
Posted by Dan Szymborski on May 11, 2005 at 07:24 AM (#1328577)
Couldn't think of anything to say.

But I'm hardly unbiased given my cordial dislike of James.


i thought i was the only one. and my dislike is not cordial...
   13. Booey Posted: May 11, 2005 at 10:26 PM (#1330862)
I feel for Baggie. He's always been one of my favorite players, but I have a feeling his time as an above average player is almost over. I hope I'm wrong.
   14. base ball chick Posted: May 11, 2005 at 10:40 PM (#1330891)
booey -

you're not wrong. the poor guy can't hardly throw or swing the bat. and he's not even league average speed home to first - he looks like bengie molina...

it's really sad...
   15. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: May 11, 2005 at 10:44 PM (#1330898)
Jeff Bagwell - HOF Class of 2011?
   16. Booey Posted: May 11, 2005 at 11:23 PM (#1330979)
Easily a HOFer, Biff. There's a better Bagwell thread that was posted earlier, a thread that even includes mention of a Jessica Alba/Jennifer Garner sandwich. Mmmmmm.......
   17. Scoriano Flitcraft Posted: May 12, 2005 at 01:14 AM (#1331154)
Eric, James said somewhere, an interview or a chat, that he really did not have anything to add, but that in hindsight he probably shoud have written something about a player he really admired.
   18. WillieMays Haze Posted: May 12, 2005 at 02:05 AM (#1331248)
I remember my brother recently told me he did a study on who is the best NL first basemen since after WW 2 and somehow he came up with Bagwell. I don't remember what stats he was using. I think Extrapolated Runs.
   19. WillieMays Haze Posted: May 12, 2005 at 02:08 AM (#1331251)
Actually, now that I think about it, I think it was a study on first basemen, second basemen, AND third basemen. Because I remember being very surprised and because of guys like Schmidt and Joe Morgan.
   20. Darren Posted: May 12, 2005 at 04:00 AM (#1331400)
Larry Andersen!!! Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!

And Dan, don't worry, they won't be playing Mike Lamb at 1B over Self. That job will go to Vizcaino, thus assuring a Clemens trade to the Yankees and my personal nightmare.
   21. BDC Posted: May 12, 2005 at 10:47 PM (#1332654)
trapped in the dugout bathroom

I assumed that was a metaphor of some sort, like "hit the glass ceiling" or "got caught in the revolving door."

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