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Wednesday, July 09, 2008

Brewers - Acquired His Rotundity

Milwaukee Brewers - Acquired P C.C. Sabathia from the Cleveland Indians for 1B Matt LaPorta, P Zach Jackson, P Rob Bryson and a player to be named.

Back when the Brewers drafted Matt LaPorta, there was a lot of talk about how the Brewers simply drafted the best player available and even though they had Prince Fielder, they could always trade one of the two to fill a specific hole when the time came.  Now, that ancient prophecy once foretold has been fulfilled by the sacred rite of, uh, R’Milwaukeewantsastartingpitcher.

It’s not hard to see how this is a good trade for the Indians - I’d rather have LaPorta than the draft picks and the Indians apparently gave up on the prospect of re-signing Sabathia.  Zach Jackson seems to be mainly filler at this point.  Bryson’s still down in the Sally League and while he’s pitching well, he’s still an A-ball reliever and with just fastball/slider, won’t be a full-time starter.  The Indians get to pick one of two players to finish off the trade and the early word is that it’s probably going to be Taylor Green, who had a tremendous full-season debut in 2007 and can play fake 3B better than Mat Gamel (though Gamel’s obviously the better hitter).  Althouogh I’m suspicious of Taylor Green as Greens have a record of leading teams down a trail of tears.  Tommy Greene?  Tyler Green?  Todd Greene?  Khalil Greene?  Willie Greene?  David Green?  It’s a trail of tears, I tell ya.

For the Indians, adding Sabathia makes them a formidable team down the stretch.  My only concern is if they really are going to make an attept to re-sign him.  It enables them to let Sheets go, using the injury excuse (Sabathia’s one of the most durable pitchers in baseball), but if they’re unwilling to go 6-year, $120 million, I’m not sure I make this trade if I’m the Brewers.  One-shot star trades don’t interest me as much in a league with 8 playoff teams as it did when there were 4.  I don’t like rolling the dice this way in the weaker league - there’s no glass ceiling of awesome teams to break through.

2008 ZiPS Projection - C.C. Sabathia———————————————————————————————              W   L   G  GS   IP    H   ER  HR  BB  SO   ERA    ———————————————————————————————Year-to-Date  6   8  18  18  122  117   52  13  34 123  3.83
Rest-of-Yr    7   4  14  14  101   97   39  11  21  94  3.48———————————————————————————————Total        13  12  32  32  223  214   91  24  55 217  3.67——————————————————————————————-
2009?        16   8  31  31  220  199   79  21  46 230  3.23  ——————————————————————————————-
Top Comps:  Frank Viola with Thyroid Problem, Vida Blue with Acromegaly and Donuts
2008 Translations——————————————————————————————————————Player        AB   R    H  2B 3B  HR RBI  BB  SO  SB    BA   OBP   SLG  OPS+——————————————————————————————————————Green        321  25   74  13  0  11  49  27  38   2  .231  .291  .374    76
LaPorta      319  46   80  20  1  20  60  30  55   2  .251  .331  .508   121	——————————————————————————————————————
2008 Translations————————————————————————————————-
Player      W   L   G  GS   IP    H   ER  HR  BB  SO   ERA  ERA+————————————————————————————————-
Bryson      3   2  22   5   52   46   24   7  27  51  4.15   104
Jackson     2   4  22   6   57   81   45  12  18  27  7.11    61————————————————————————————————-
Dan Szymborski Posted: July 09, 2008 at 12:34 AM | 23 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Harvey Berkman Posted: July 09, 2008 at 01:57 AM (#2850026)
The recently departed Shawn Green panned out for the BJ's.

Love the Top Comps, even though Viola's not comparable because of his color.
   2. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: July 09, 2008 at 02:02 AM (#2850039)
Mo Green was a heavy hitter for a while, but his decline phase sure was messy ...
   3. Dan Szymborski Posted: July 09, 2008 at 02:05 AM (#2850044)
Mo Green was a heavy hitter for a while, but his decline phase sure was messy ...Mo Green was a heavy hitter for a while, but his decline phase sure was messy ...

Chicago Cubs - Placed MGR Moe Green on the 15-day DL, for what they report as inflammation of the eye.
   4. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: July 09, 2008 at 02:16 AM (#2850066)
imagine if they tried to place him on waivers?

"buy me out? No. I buy you out, you don't buy me out!"
   5. BeanoCook Posted: July 09, 2008 at 02:16 AM (#2850067)
I'm not sure I make this trade if I'm the Brewers. One-shot star trades don't interest me as much in a league with 8 playoff teams as it did when there were 4. I don't like rolling the dice this way in the weaker league - there's no glass ceiling of awesome teams to break through.


Getting CC was not about making the playoffs, it was about winning the World Series. Since the advent of the wild card, I'd agree you don't need to be special to make the playoffs. In fact, the wild card teams have done just fine. The formula over the past decade seems to be, Wild Card and 2 Aces = World Series. Going from 1 Ace to 2 Aces makes all the difference in the playoffs. I would have done this deal.
   6. Conor Posted: July 09, 2008 at 02:22 AM (#2850075)
The formula over the past decade seems to be, Wild Card and 2 Aces = World Series.


I guess Oakland and Atlanta had one ace too many.
   7. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: July 09, 2008 at 02:25 AM (#2850083)
Actually Dan, he dropped the periods. Its CC Sabathia now.
   8. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: July 09, 2008 at 02:26 AM (#2850087)
This kinda reminds me of the Bob Wickman for Richie Sexson deal, with LaPorta playing the part of Sexson, and Bob Wickman and CC Sabathia not really having much in common other than both being fat.
   9. Darren Posted: July 09, 2008 at 02:33 AM (#2850098)
Green is going to lead the INDIANS down a TRAIL OF TEARS? Yikes, that's awful.
   10. Lassus Posted: July 09, 2008 at 02:55 AM (#2850144)
If only I could get Bat-Girl's opinion.

I'm still feeling that loss.
   11. S. Ransom Posted: July 09, 2008 at 08:57 AM (#2850263)
Green is going to lead the INDIANS down a TRAIL OF TEARS? Yikes, that's awful.


Only if he gets a wounded knee.
   12. Dan Szymborski Posted: July 09, 2008 at 10:53 AM (#2850276)
Green is going to lead the INDIANS down a TRAIL OF TEARS? Yikes, that's awful.

Heh, this took more posts than I thought! I think the only one I snuck past you guys was the time I made an entry and 50% of the words in the analysis were XTC song titles.
   13. Eraser-X is emphatically dominating teh site!!! Posted: July 09, 2008 at 11:47 AM (#2850286)
Reminds me of those SNL parodies of the MLB playoffs commercials with Dane Cook.
   14. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: July 09, 2008 at 12:04 PM (#2850296)
I made an entry and 50% of the words in the analysis were XTC song titles.

Dear God.
   15. TVerik, the gum-snappin' hairdresser Posted: July 09, 2008 at 01:10 PM (#2850317)
For the Indians, adding Sabathia makes them a formidable team down the stretch.

I think you want that passage to read "For the Brewers", Dan-o.
   16. tomdaddydollars Posted: July 09, 2008 at 03:23 PM (#2850420)
Is Milwaukee really the best place for Sabathia though? All those sausages at Miller Park... Sabathia could be pushing 400 by the time the playoffs roll around.
   17. The District Attorney Posted: July 09, 2008 at 03:31 PM (#2850431)
Green is going to lead the INDIANS down a TRAIL OF TEARS? Yikes, that's awful.
On the bright side, if Manhattan is valued at $24, there's no reason they should have to pay $120 million for Sabathia.
   18. Dan Szymborski Posted: July 09, 2008 at 03:45 PM (#2850446)
On the bright side, if Manhattan is valued at $24, there's no reason they should have to pay $120 million for Sabathia.


The funniest thing about that land grab is that the tribes that sold Manhattan to Peter Minuit for $24 worth of trinkets actually gave Minuit another tribe's land, so instead of Minuit scamming the natives, they scammed him.
   19. Moe Greene Posted: July 09, 2008 at 04:58 PM (#2850559)
Dan,

I take offense to you calling out all Green's in this TO.

Sonofabitch! Do you know who I am? I'm Moe Greene! I made my bones when you were going out with cheerleaders!
   20. JPWF13 Posted: July 09, 2008 at 07:00 PM (#2850750)
The funniest thing about that land grab is that the tribes that sold Manhattan to Peter Minuit for $24 worth of trinkets actually gave Minuit another tribe's land, so instead of Minuit scamming the natives, they scammed him.


But Minuit got the land anyway...

Also that $24 value was figured in 1846,
in 2007 terms that $24 was worth either:
$671.55 using the Consumer Price Index; or
$5,245.99 using an unskilled wage comparison; or
$10,925.25 using a nominal GDP per capita comparison; or
$162,447.37 using relative share of GDP

still seems like a bargain
   21. plim Posted: July 09, 2008 at 11:23 PM (#2851183)
<Quote>Brewers - Acquired His Rotundity</quote>

The Brewers signed Rich Garces?
   22. Freeballin' (Tales of Met Power) Posted: July 10, 2008 at 02:11 AM (#2851454)
But Minuit got the land anyway...

Also that $24 value was figured in 1846,
in 2007 terms that $24 was worth either:
$671.55 using the Consumer Price Index; or
$5,245.99 using an unskilled wage comparison; or
$10,925.25 using a nominal GDP per capita comparison; or
$162,447.37 using relative share of GDP

still seems like a bargain


There was no subway line at that time. You need to factor that.
   23. Gambling Rent Czar Posted: July 10, 2008 at 12:27 PM (#2851682)
7/09/08 Murton was assigned to AAA.
Some things never change.

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