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Monday, April 26, 2004

Cincinnati Reds

Claimed OF Jason Romano off waivers from the Tampa Bay Devil Rays.

Ouch.  It’s one thing to trade Antonio Perez because you believe, though erroneously, that Jason Romano is some promising young outfielder, but it’s another thing altogether to dump Perez for a player you think so little of that going 1-for-11 is enough to make the team give up.

As bad as that sounds, it’s much, much worse.  Romano’s quote on the trade is one of the funniest things I’ve read in awhile:

”[The Devil Rays] were looking for a middle infielder,” Romano said. “They thought I was a shortstop or second base type, and when I got there they found out I was more of an outfielder. They’ve already got a pretty good young outfield out there, so it wasn’t really a good fit.”

Translation:  The Devil Rays didn’t even bother checking who Jason Romano was before trading Antonio Perez for him.

It’s very funny that Chuck LaMar is now one of the longest-tenured GMs in baseball.  Perhaps Rachel Phelps should have hired him 15 years ago.

Dan Szymborski Posted: April 26, 2004 at 04:55 PM | 17 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jim Furtado Posted: July 19, 2001 at 10:40 PM (#551546)
Don't forget about Juan Uribe.
   2. Mike Emeigh Posted: September 04, 2001 at 01:33 AM (#551723)
Casey is arbitration-eligible this off-season, and likely to pursue a large multi-year deal (which the Reds will almost certainly be disinclined to give him). If Pickering looks like he can cover the position for a couple of years, Casey is a good candidate to be traded in the off-season.

-- MWE
   3. Mike Emeigh Posted: September 06, 2001 at 12:40 PM (#551726)
Broussard is probably a year away; for some reason the Reds don't
   4. Mike Emeigh Posted: September 06, 2001 at 11:49 PM (#551729)
Shows what I know - the Reds just let Pickering go on waivers to Boston.
   5. Dan Szymborski Posted: September 20, 2001 at 11:42 PM (#551764)
I'm sure you're right about Bowden not having a plan to deal with all those middle infielders. As it is, those parts don't complement each other very well. I don't understand the logic of having both Reese and Castro. How many people do you see with 2 Dodge Darts parked outside their house?
   6. Dan Szymborski Posted: September 27, 2001 at 08:31 PM (#551766)
There are some problems, however, with Guerrero as a backup to Walker and Larkin. While Guerrero can be a good caddy to Walker against lefties, the backup to Larkin has to be available to backup Larkin frequently and perhaps start at short for extended stints.

Guerrero could handle a very occasional start at short, but his very limited major league experience at shortstop has not been very pretty. Managers have avoided playing him at short whenever possible and his zone rating in limited time there is an obscene .686.

Even assuming Guerrero can handle SS for an extended time, who spells Walker at 2nd? While his very limited time against lefties this season could mean actual improvement, he did come into this year with an Ordonez-like record against lefties. Walker's not all that great defensively and playing him if he's forced to face lefties full-time and hitting 350/400 is a problem.

I still think the Reds would be better served picking up a guy like Lou Merloni or Mendy Lopez.
   7. Mike Emeigh Posted: October 01, 2001 at 08:07 PM (#551769)
Pokey is a fifth-year arbitration-eligible player making 3 1/2
   8. Steve Treder Posted: December 19, 2001 at 07:36 PM (#552295)
I think O'Dowd is the modern exponent of the "Frantic Frankie Lane" GM philosophy: trade for the sake of trading, with no particular pattern or logic or plan or goal in mind. Some of the deals he makes are good, some aren't, but in any case they seem to serve no purpose other than to keep his team in a constant state of upheaval.

I thought a couple of years ago the Rockies had finally figured out that a slow power-hitting lineup was not the best way to take advantage of the altitude; that focusing instead on speed and putting the ball in play would not only play better at home but also be more adaptable to the road. But they discarded that program before finding out whether it would work or not. I have no idea what their program is now.
   9. Geoff Young Posted: December 19, 2001 at 07:45 PM (#552296)
O'Dowd is quoted as saying that Reese won't play for the Rockies. [Denver Post]
   10. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: December 20, 2001 at 06:10 AM (#552297)
Just turned on ESPN, and saw a report that Reese was traded to Boston for Scott Hatteberg.

Anyone else think the Reds would have been better off cutting out the middle man?
   11. Dan Szymborski Posted: January 13, 2002 at 04:11 AM (#552583)
His 2000 season turned out much better than I remembered. There was a bit of luck involved, however; his peripheral ERA must be three-quarters to a whole run higher at a quick glance.
   12. Darren Posted: February 25, 2002 at 02:28 PM (#554971)
Well, they already had Durazo and Colbrunn and Cabrera, and still went out and paid Grace $3 mil. I think that's the crux of the "accumulate firstbasemen at any cost argument."

Casey for Millwood? I think, if I were Cincinatti I'd see if Atlanta could throw in one of their surplus middle infielders if I threw in Gookie Dawkins or one of my 5,280 outfielders.
   13. Walt Davis Posted: February 25, 2002 at 09:45 PM (#554974)
Beware of Braves' GM's bearing pitchers!

Millwood's K/9 rates the last 4 years: 8.4, 8.1, 7.1, 6.2
   14. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: February 26, 2002 at 10:54 PM (#554982)
It was my understanding that the Millwood deal didn't work because Bowden was not given permission to take on the additional payroll

I'm happy about the Sean Casey signing, if only because it means the end of the local talk radio morons' speculation about him coming home to Pittsburgh at the end of the year.
   15. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: March 04, 2002 at 07:15 PM (#554987)
There was a similar mess with revocable/irrevocable waivers with the Pirates in 1991, in the pre-Bonifay era. Wes Chamberlain wound up getting traded (with Julio Peguero and one other guy) to the Phillies for Carmelo Martinez after the GM botched an interpretation of waiver rules. None of the three ever turned into anything, so it was sort of a non-issue, but had a similar flavor anyway.
   16. Mike Emeigh Posted: March 04, 2002 at 10:34 PM (#554988)
The other guy in the Martinez/Chamberlain fiasco was Tony Barron, IIRC. And no, Syd Thrift was *not* the GM at the time; it was Larry Doughty, who replaced Syd after Thrift insisting on trading for Ken Oberkfell and got himself fired as a result.

-- MWE
   17. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: March 05, 2002 at 03:49 AM (#554989)
Thanks, Mike. Had the name on the tip of my brain, but couldn't come up with it. Mostly I remember Game 6 (I think) in the playoffs that year, where late in the game Martinez hit a long shot to right that got pulled back over the wall, and the team wound up losing by one. It would have been fun, winning with only two hits, but wasn't meant to be.

I miss being twelve.
   18. Repoz Posted: March 12, 2002 at 02:45 AM (#555323)
Add on Ben Broussard 19AB's hitting .105 and Austin Kearns 16AB's batting .111.....They didn't quite step up to the plate in more ways than one.
   19. Dan Szymborski Posted: March 13, 2002 at 05:05 AM (#555408)
I would definitely start the actual season with Kearns in the minors and maybe even Broussard. However, Encarnacion and Mateo are worthless and during spring training, it would benefit the Reds to give Broussard and Kearns as many at-bats as possible against major leaguers.
   20. Darren Posted: March 15, 2002 at 03:28 PM (#555413)
I have to agree with Jonathon. Why are we so sure that Mateo is worthless?
   21. Dan Szymborski Posted: March 15, 2002 at 05:32 PM (#555414)
He was hitting well a few years ago, of course, but he's been injured constantly since then, with an injured groin, and a broken leg and wrist aren't even the complete catalog. Mateo hasn't hit at all in the majors since then, and if he's going to regain his prospect status and some semblance of value, it will be as a AAA centerfielder, not a part-time rightfielder in the majors flailing away like Pedro Serrano.

Perhaps worthless was too strong, but he really has no business being in the majors at this point.
   22. Repoz Posted: March 15, 2002 at 11:51 PM (#555415)
Cincy's Jim Bowdense(the Leo Toolstoy of GM's) should package up Mateo and try to get a semblance of a live arm from the Orioles. Mateo would probably then become the bedraggled O's #1 OF prospect (if not overall)and the Reds in return could add an arm to their dybbukic pitching corpse while cleaning out some of their OF glut.
   23. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: March 25, 2002 at 10:00 PM (#555561)
At least Rijo makes for cool wallpaper on your desktop.
   24. Yoenis Cespedes, Baseball Savant Posted: March 26, 2002 at 12:12 PM (#555562)
Jose Rijo? Comeback Player of the Year, I say!
   25. Repoz Posted: March 29, 2002 at 04:24 AM (#555687)
In Bowdense's never ending search for the top of the line,high end 5 Tool Player prototype....he comes across Reggie Taylor with his preposterous career sub.300 OBP (An unearthly 158 BB's in 3,070 AB's).

Bob Boone's call of him being "a decent hitter" is really on the verge of outright moronisism.

Next,I expect Jim Hicks to be named hitting coach.
   26. John Posted: March 29, 2002 at 06:52 AM (#555690)
Well, the 1995 draft (first round) doesn't look so good now, does it- Jaime Jones, Jonathan Johnson, Mike Drumright, Reggie, Andy Yount, Chad Hermansen, Ryan Jaroncyk, Juan LeBron, David Yocum, Corey Jenkins, Shea Morenz, Chad Hutchinson. Guys who panned out: Darin Erstad, Ben Davis, Jose Cruz, Kerry Wood, Todd Helton, Geoff Jenkins, Michael Barrett. Oh well, it's just a million or so.
   27. John Posted: March 29, 2002 at 08:24 PM (#555692)
My copy of Baseball America's Prospect Handbook has the first round picks for the last 11 years. Top 100 picks since 1998. Any year you are interested in?
   28. Voros McCracken Posted: April 06, 2002 at 01:47 AM (#555774)
One of the things that often happens when a highly touted prospect bombs out is that generally an overreation occurs from MLB management and now the guy can no longer do anything.

I think Allensworth is one of these cases as I think (any unknown chemistry problems notwithstanding) he could help a team a little as a 5th outfielder. A little pop, good foot speed, nice defense, decent arm, a touch of plate patience. The Orioles just gave up a useable pitcher for Sarge Jr., and I don't see where he's any better than Allensworth.
   29. Dan Szymborski Posted: April 06, 2002 at 01:58 AM (#555775)
The last name.
   30. User unknown in local recipient table (Craig B) Posted: April 06, 2002 at 08:22 PM (#555776)
That's true; for the Orioles, the next best thing to a semi-famous old guy who was good eight years ago is apparently the son of a semi-famous old guy who was good 25 years ago.
   31. Toby Posted: May 24, 2002 at 05:39 PM (#556789)
This is the second time I've read this rumor that the Reds are "making noises" about moving Encarnacion or Kearns to 3B, but what is the source of the rumor? Anyone have a link, please?
   32. Klobedanz Posted: May 24, 2002 at 05:54 PM (#556790)
The manager is the father of the third baseman right? Believing in a stranger's talent over your son's talent, while probably correct in this case, can not be an easy decision for a father to make.
   33. Roger McDowell spit on me! Posted: May 24, 2002 at 06:17 PM (#556791)
I would think the other possibility would be trading Casey for a starting pitcher. Dunn has put in time at 1B this year, and it sure would be more simple to move him there than to try a mid-season switch to 3B for Kearns or Encarnacion. The first thing I'd want to do though is make sure Griffey's knee holds up.
   34. Bob T Posted: May 24, 2002 at 07:21 PM (#556793)
I too liked "Watching Ellie".
   35. colin Posted: May 24, 2002 at 07:28 PM (#556794)
How did Adam Dunn look at first base? Capable enough that they'd try to move Sean casey?
   36. bob mong Posted: May 24, 2002 at 09:23 PM (#556796)
Not to be cynical, but...

their best bet is probably to play musical chairs with Dunn, Boone, Griffey, Casey, Kearns, and Encarnacion until Griffey gets hurt again. Then they can switch everybody back to their normal positions while he is on the DL.
   37. Repoz Posted: May 25, 2002 at 02:03 PM (#556799)
Though I would hate to see him sent down,Kearns has been tailing off a little 9-37(it had to happen), due to a full course of curveballs that Kearns has had trouble recognizing and has been given some days off.

Casey to Atlanta for Moss?,Marquis? makes too much sense.
   38. Bernal Diaz has an angel on his shoulder Posted: May 25, 2002 at 09:01 PM (#556804)
Re: Sean Casey
   39. Will B. Posted: May 26, 2002 at 04:54 PM (#556806)
"look for the Casey and Graves to the Tribe for Colon"

Any Cleveland fan would find this a tad ironic - all three of these guys came up through the Cleveland organization. Sean Casey was traded for Dave Burba and Danny Graves traded for John Smiley.
   40. Toby Posted: May 28, 2002 at 12:59 AM (#556808)
Three years ago in my keeper roto league I drafted both Gookie and another young SS who at the time was a comparable prospect. I cut Gookie long ago, but I still have Alfonso Soriano. Not at SS, but no complaints.
   41. Bernal Diaz has an angel on his shoulder Posted: May 29, 2002 at 10:20 PM (#556809)
The Colon to Cinci rumors have died down in Cleveland. Today I heard a ver interesting rumor involving Colon going to the Diamondbacks for Durazo and a relief pitcher. That would clear the way for Jim Thome to go to the Braves.
   42. KLobedanz Posted: June 13, 2002 at 02:04 PM (#557082)
Anytime a guy is described as "scrappy" it's bad news.
   43. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: June 15, 2002 at 02:20 AM (#557152)
Anybody who follows Clutch Hits knows I like Chen a lot. This is a good trade for the Reds, who need some young arms with upside to go with their big bats if they want to grow up to be a contender.

This trade makes the Scott Strickland deal look really bad for Montreal. Brower's the kind of guy that would generate excitement as an NRI, but he's not dominant, and a reliever has to be dominant to be worth much of value.
   44. Jason Robar Posted: June 15, 2002 at 05:06 PM (#557153)
My only concern from the Reds standpoint is that Chen has been dumped very often, and is only 25. I can't really think of another pitcher who's bounced around at such a young age. Is Chen considered unteachable or something?

On the bright side, Don Gullett might be the best person to turn him around.

From the Expos perspective, I can only assume that they have made a decision to try to contend this season (which might be the best decision they can make).

Jason
   45. John Posted: June 18, 2002 at 08:18 PM (#557157)
I live in New York but I'm a lifelong Phils fan and watched Chen closely for years. The bottom line: he refuses to pitch inside, constantly leaving pitches on the fat part of the plate when he misses slightly. The Mets tried to coach him and he didn't respond. The Phils did the same and he fell flat. His stuff is decent and he's a young lefty so teams will keep giving him a chance, but until he learns to use both sides of the plate, he'll keep giving up big dingers, like the fat ones to Robert Person.
   46. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: June 23, 2002 at 09:32 PM (#557159)
Me.
   47. User unknown in local recipient table (Craig B) Posted: June 24, 2002 at 01:28 AM (#557160)
However, remember that in Montreal, our theme song is "No Future Now".

I like the Jim Zeller Blues Band better. I haven't been in Montreal on a summer Sunday for a dog's age... do they still play at games? (I'm hoping Loria didn't take them to Florida with him...)
   48. Repoz Posted: June 24, 2002 at 03:49 AM (#557282)
Personally I would have dealt Encarnacion as a high card and left Kearns in RF until he passed Kaline's 399 taters but the Reds feel that they are in a pennant race and couldn't grab air with Austin's slumpaggo since May 18 of 18-94(.191)...OPS 1.182 down to .867...and 7/28 W/H rate.
   49. SM in DC Posted: June 25, 2002 at 07:16 PM (#557286)
Junior just went on the DL -- Kearns just came right back up from Louisville
   50. benji Posted: July 13, 2002 at 07:26 PM (#557702)
AAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!
   51. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: July 15, 2002 at 01:51 PM (#557705)
McEwing is a decent utility man, in that he can play _every_ position, making room on the bench for a bat with no glove. Ledee wasn't necessarily a bad signing, either, if you look at this as his last chance. At the start of the year, he still had a bit of 'fallen prospect' luster, though it's pretty much gone now.
   52. Mike Posted: July 24, 2002 at 12:32 AM (#557870)
You'll notice two things in this deal from the Tiger's perspective. First, Scuffy wasn't one of the untradeable guys mentions by Dombrowski during his un-PC rant. The fact that he was right apparently doesn't matter. Nor the fact that the guys who are pissed off at him all combined have less World Series rings than he does. Secondly, the Tigers paid for Moehler for the rest of the season. I am already happy about the deal and we have 2 PTBNL's coming!
   53. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: July 24, 2002 at 03:12 PM (#557878)
As humorous as this all is, Aaron Boone hasn't been _that_ bad this year. His raw OPS is .744, and BP has him down for a .260 EqA, which isn't great but won't singlehandedly sink the ship either. He's underperforming (according to his career numbers), but he's not really hurting the Reds, relative to the rest of the league.

It's not like there's a clearly superior candidate behind Boone, either. Larson is having a very good season, but he's a 26-year-old AAA repeater, and he's never hit like this before. The improvement might be a result of his eye surgery, but on the other hand it might just be a couple of hot months, and there's no reason for a contending team to banish a solid regular in favor of a prospect with a moderately-scruffy pedigree. Russ Branyan looks like the other internal option, but he's more of a project at this point than anything else. Even if you disagree with me about Aaron as the starter at third, there's a justifiable case for playing him ahead of Larkin at short.

Matt Boone is essentially irrelevant, and I doubt his inclusion changed the Reds' estimation of the trade's value by much. If he gets called up, I'll start to worry. Otherwise, a non-prospect outfielder related to the big club's manager isn't any worse than any other filler designed to balance the bodies changing sides.

If there's any meaning at all to his inclusion, it might be a sign that one or both of the PsTBNL are outfielders.
   54. jwb Posted: July 24, 2002 at 05:38 PM (#557880)
Odd thing on baseballamerica.com. The player finder feature finds two entries for Matt Boone. One is for a guy hitting 246/293/328 in the Gulf Coast League.

The other hit 333/375/400 in 4 games in Detroit. I can find no confirmation elsewhere.

Does BA have problems like this?

I'd have posted the link, but I was a afraid was too long and would have rendered the thread difficult to read.
   55. jwb Posted: July 24, 2002 at 07:38 PM (#557883)
Eddie, Yes it did. Thank you.
   56. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: July 25, 2002 at 03:41 AM (#557886)
Just to confirm for the slow-witted, the "professional Reds apologist" above is a different guy. I'd get upset, but it's not like this is _my_ real name, either. Feh.

I would like to answer a few points by my doppelganger, though.

1) Grabbing toolsy failed prospects on the cheap is a good strategy. If you buy enough of them low, you'll eventually get the chance to sell one high. Bowden turned a few months of Juan Encarnacion into a decent starter, and he turned a good year from Mike Cameron into a third of Junior Griffey (no box or warranty included, unfortunately). In all likelihood, he's going to turn a decent AAA campaign from Ruben Mateo into something valuable this offseason, and he might be able to flip Wily Mo Pena as well. Bowden occasionally lets guys like these get in the way of real prospects, which is a problem, but the general philosophy is sound, and it has paid dividends for the tema in the past.

2) Mike Boone isn't really an asset, but adding him onto the Mohler trade isn't a harbinger of the decline and fall of Western civilization, as some people seem to think. Remember, we're talking about an organization that was so hard-up for minor league outfielders that a week ago they gave up perfectly good cash money for the re-animated corpse of Ice Williams. Boone was added to provide organizational depth as a minor-league benchie; as near as I can tell, he's a throw-in added to help fill a temporary hole in the Reds' farm system. If the Tigers were run like the rest of Illitch's operation, Boone would be the stack of napkins that comes with the Mohler pie with mushrooms and pepperoni. When he starts getting playing time ahead of more-qualified players, or snags a spot on the 40-man, that's a problem. Otherwise, what's the big furry deal? Don't flip out on the kid just because you have a justified but unconnected beef with his old man.

3) I'm standing by everything I've said about Aaron, as well. He's underperforming this year, and he's still an above-average NL starting 3B. Don't believe me?

Better than Aaron (this year): Edgardo Alfonso, David Bell, Mike Lowell, Scott Rolen
   57. Devin has a deep burning passion for fuzzy socks Posted: July 25, 2002 at 09:27 PM (#557888)
Here's an interesting spin on this from the Dayton Daily News (thanks to Jayson Stark's column for mentioning this)

"This isn't nepotism," said Boone the manager. "He has a real shot a playing in the big leagues. He may end up being the key to this deal."

Boone began the season on the disabled list with a sprained right elbow and is a designated hitter for the Class A Lakeland Tigers, where he hit .246 with three homers and 19 RBIs in 51 games, his third year with Lakeland and fifth in Class A since the Tigers signed him in the third round of the 1997 draft.

Boone will be assigned to Class A Dayton, "And that way he can stay with me and drive back and forth," his father said.


You know, there's lying and then there's bold-faced, no-holds-barred, shameless lying. And then there's this.
   58. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: July 26, 2002 at 03:05 PM (#557890)
Eww. Looks like my condition for worrying has been met, in spades.
   59. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: July 27, 2002 at 02:57 PM (#557892)
Hmm. My doppelganger is a pedant. Even worse, he's redundant; all doppelgangers are evil.

Guerrero is worthless, and Pineda and Snare are of approximately equal worth, so the equation simplifies down to Young for Dempster. If Dave Dombrowski had made that trade last week, you'd be giving him a medal. Sure, Young was a commodity at one point. So were buggy whips and whalebone corsets. Bowden bailed out on Young at exactly the right time, getting rid of him right as he made the transition from 'useful' to 'expensive and injured' (big contract or no, Young was arb-eligible last year). He bought into Encarnacion when his value was at its lowest, milked him for a nice couple of months while Griffey was hurt, and (when he wasn't necessary anymore) flipped him to fill a need: a young veteran starter with upside.

As for my double's other objection, I just don't see it. Bob Boone's the one on the Reds who makes pointless moves. Bowden isn't anywhere near the Hart-Duquette-O'Dowd class of roster-based tail-chasing; when he trades a guy, there's usually a valid reason.
   60. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: July 27, 2002 at 03:08 PM (#557893)
For the record, I don't always agree with Bowden. If you want to criticize him for dumping Dennis Reyes, we might be able to agree on something.
   61. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: July 27, 2002 at 03:09 PM (#557894)
That should be Dennys, not Dennis.
   62. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: July 29, 2002 at 02:40 PM (#557899)
I work hard at being evil; I make sure I bite the heads off a couple of kittens every morning before I go to work (it's the breakfast of champions).

I'm a little more tolerant of Bowden's shuffling than you are, but then I attribute a lot of it to entropy. He's kept the team from becoming worse, older, or more expensive, where rosters will artificially tend to do all three. I get the feeling that he'd be perfectly willing to go out and get an impact player (he did it once, right?), but he's apparently under pretty serious payroll restrictions. ( http://espn.go.com/gammons/s/2002/0720/1408004.html ). I also think that there are better targets than Giles or Rolen. Giles has a partial no-trade, and Cincy isn't on his list of approved teams, while Rolen's back makes him a very iffy long-term acquisition.

You fooled yourself, too, Luis: You're still 27, at least until October. http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/features/agechart.html
   63. Repoz Posted: August 02, 2002 at 01:27 PM (#557901)
It looks like 2B/SS David Espinosa will be shut down for the year due to back problems and Dombrowski says "it's not a major concern".

Hey....if you don't care.....
   64. Mark S. is bored Posted: August 16, 2002 at 04:35 AM (#558449)
That's Ty Wiggington on the Mets, not Ty Howington.
   65. Alan Posted: August 16, 2002 at 06:47 AM (#558452)
   66. There are no words... (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: August 16, 2002 at 01:33 PM (#558456)
Yes, he is, Chris.

IMHO -- Don't the door hit you on the way out, Shawnie...
   67. Bob T Posted: August 16, 2002 at 05:02 PM (#558457)
Tyler Houston is making Eric Karros look like J.T. Snow with the glove. Unfortunatley, Karros looks like Snow with the bat.

Last year's Snow. Not as bad as the 2002 model.
   68. good_ol_gil Posted: August 20, 2002 at 05:27 AM (#558462)
Why did the Reds do this? Do they actually think they have a shot at the playoffs?

Good trade for the Mets, no matter how good the prospects are.
   69. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: August 23, 2002 at 01:48 AM (#558478)
Good for Guillen. Even if he doesn't do anything else, it'd be fun to just watch him make throws from right field.
   70. NTNgod Posted: August 28, 2002 at 03:03 AM (#558481)
Didn't take long for Guillen to find his way to the major league roster:

MLB.com link
   71. Cris E Posted: August 30, 2002 at 06:01 PM (#558585)
Moehler might just not have built up much stamina in that arm yet, and after beating on it for a month it just isn't recovering well. There's a good chance he could be more useful next year if he works out over the winter. He shouldn't be expensive, so I'm thinking the Reds will keep him around. (Isn't his deal up this year?)
   72. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: November 20, 2002 at 05:29 PM (#559562)
LOOGY=Lefty-One-Out-GuY
   73. Mike Emeigh Posted: November 21, 2002 at 04:11 AM (#559568)
Surprised there's only one ex-Pirate on this list; Cincy is known for picking off failed Pittsburgh players, although they're usually pitchers (Dessens, Paris, Silva, etc.). We call them "Pirates Midwest" on the Bucs' mailing list.

Freel played in Durham last year along with Emil Brown. Ryan's fast, but that's about all he's got going for him.

-- MWE
   74. Repoz Posted: November 21, 2002 at 02:59 PM (#559570)
Here's a nice article on Bobby Darula (one of my faves....he was always one of those high ave./low minors types)wherein,it says he is a great defensive OF....but that's coming from his agent.
   75. Christian (ruz) Posted: November 22, 2002 at 06:02 PM (#559571)
> During the World Series, I seem to recall hearing that Crespo is
   76. Mr. Crowley Posted: December 07, 2002 at 01:21 AM (#560221)
It's a trap!
   77. Dennis Posted: January 08, 2003 at 09:35 PM (#562719)
I think the signing of Herdia is a great pick up for the Reds. A quality, low priced middle inning lefty is a great luxury to have.
   78. Eli Hungerford: Cityboy Crypto-Elitist for hire Posted: January 08, 2003 at 11:10 PM (#562724)
I would have a lot of respect for the first professional sports team that instituted a "conviction for domestic abuse and your contract is void" clause for every single player.
   79. Brian K. Posted: January 09, 2003 at 12:39 AM (#562730)
Sorry if this is newbie material but what the heck does LOOGY mean?
   80. Bill Posted: January 09, 2003 at 01:10 AM (#562734)
The guy's lefty and he throws hard and maybe Gullett will do wonders with him, but I'm a little sceptical of that ERA last year. The 1.48 WHIP, 1.19 K/BB and 5.33K/9IP suggest there was more than a little luck involved. And he's just never gotten the hang of the strike zone.
   81. Stevens Posted: January 09, 2003 at 01:30 AM (#562738)
Felix a steal? ERA+ for his career:

1996: 94
   82. Old Matt Posted: January 13, 2003 at 05:05 PM (#563202)
$4 million total worth...$500K in 2003, $3.5 million in 2004. Not a great signing, but at $500K in 2003, not much risk either.
   83. Clyde Posted: January 13, 2003 at 08:25 PM (#563211)
I like this signing for the Reds. Wilson had been a bit of a Prospectus favorite as a sleeper candidate. I still think there's a small chance he could still surprise. He was having a pretty decent season for the D-rays but absolutely got jacked in last 6-7 starts. It seemed he was pitching hurt.
   84. Dan Szymborski Posted: January 13, 2003 at 08:27 PM (#563212)
While I don't see the Reds matching the Cards or Cubs in pitching, their chances as they are rely on outscoring those two offenses, which I feel is very possible. As it was, the Reds essentially had a league-average offense in 2002 despite something going wrong almost everywhere, the sole exception being Todd Walker.

Even the things that went right with the 2002 offense had something wrong with them, if that makes any sense. Dunn hit 400/454, but you expect more power with a guy like him. Kearns hit 407/500, but the Reds wasted a bunch of his time in the minors.

Sans improvement anywhere else, a full season of the 2001 vintage Griffey would have put them in the top handful of NL offenses last year.
   85. Rich Posted: January 13, 2003 at 08:53 PM (#563214)
Oh well, as a Yankee fan I was hoping the Reds might have had some interest in trading for Petitte (with the Yanks picking up salary).
   86. Dag Nabbit is part of the zombie horde Posted: January 13, 2003 at 09:35 PM (#563215)
I just wrote a rather lengthy post on Paul Wilson - only to have my internet connection crash as I finished it, causing the message to be lost in cyberspace (#$#*&**&*!) In short, the more I look at Paul Wilson's numbers, the less I like it. Here's the problems:

1) His K-rate went in the toilet last year. After 2 straight years over 7/9IPs, he was barely over 5/9IP. Bad sign.

2) Lefties hit him for a 901 OPS last year.

3) Take away the 6 games he started against Baltimore (more GS than he had against all 4 AL playoff teams combined), he was 2-11 with an ERA of 5.44. (To be fair, w/ Mil & Pitt in his division he could easily have as many games against patsy teams.

4) The #4 slot in the order DRILLED him for a 1316 OPS. So he can't get out the best hitters at all.

5) He's essentially shot after 5 innings. After 75 pitches his OPS is over 1000. Blunderful.
   87. Walt Davis Posted: January 13, 2003 at 11:20 PM (#563219)
4) The #4 slot in the order DRILLED him for a 1316 OPS. So he can't get out the best hitters at all.

Don't read very much into this. Yes, #4 hitters got him for a 1316, but #3 hitters (who usually are as good or better than #4's) only got him for a 803.

However I like that Bowden called him a guy who can pitch 180-200 innings. It's true, he can, he pitched 194 last year. Of course, that was the first time he's been over 150 (in the majors at least).

The dropping K-rate is troubling, the high HR rate is trouble.
   88. Bill Posted: January 14, 2003 at 12:04 AM (#563221)
I'm not sure what Paul Wilson has done to make him a starter of the "#3 or #4 variety" on a decent team. This seems to me like another case of overrating a player who (a) "looks" like a player, (b) gets early hype and (c) somehow gets a seat on the always amusing Peter Gammons "ready to breakout" list. His ERA has been worse than league average. His peripherals were woeful in 2002 and in fact weren't especially good way back before he was hurt.

What am I missing?
   89. Clyde Posted: January 14, 2003 at 04:26 AM (#563233)
Dave-

Well, the fact that he was #1 pick has made him shiny to some. Wilson has been mismanaged throughout his career. I don't think he's ever fully been healthy for a whole season. Even last year, he was having a decent season until the last month, and then in his last 6 starts or so gave up 28 ER in 18 innings. You could say that about anybody, I suppose, but he has a genuine chance to be better than what he has shown thus far. Hope springs eternal, I suppose, and he free of the D-Rays.
   90. Bill Posted: January 14, 2003 at 05:05 AM (#563235)
I don't know, Dave. Maybe if we both keep asking, Dan will tell us.
   91. Askari Posted: January 14, 2003 at 07:54 AM (#563236)
I fail to see why anybody sees the Reds as a contender for the NL Central in 2003 and maybe not even in 2004.

Their defense is poor. I've never seen Larson play but he's an error machine, Griffey is running on gimpy legs, Dunn is a butcher in left, Boone has not played an inning at 2B in his 6 year major league career and Barry Larkin is Barry Larkin.

Offensively there's potential but I don't see the team becoming a better than average offensive club, certainly not in the class of Houston and St Louis.

Adam Dunn is a sabermatecian's wet dream and I was VERY high on the guy this time last year. My opinion of him has soured. His second half collapse was monumental and the guy finished just 18 K's behind Jose Hernandez for the league lead.

While I'm still on the Kearns bandwagon, it's crazy to think he'll repeat this past season's stats with a whoping 250 career ABs between AA and AAA.

If Griffey starts in a 140 games this year, I'll go to Enr...er...Minute Maid dressed up in Reds gear heckling the Astro outfielders from the bleachers.

What's all the hype with Brandon Larson? He doesn't draw walks, strikes out more than Adam Dunn and Joes Hernandez combined and aside from last year has not hit for much power.

And Barry is Barry.

Pitching wise, their starters are attrocious. They have a few good relievers in Williamson, White and Riedling(if his shoulder is finally healthy). I see why Kent is so excited to be playing in the NL central. Cincinnati, Milwaukee and Pittsburgh in one division? It's T-Ball Central.
   92. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: January 14, 2003 at 04:56 PM (#563239)
A few other points in favor of Wilson:

1) He puts a lot of balls into play (with the diminished K rate noted earlier in the thread), and the defense of the 2002 Reds is likely to be better than the defense of the 2001 D-Rays.

2) He pitched for the D-Rays last year, and for that reason didn't get to pitch AGAINST the D-Rays. Guys who pitch for better teams face easier competition than guys who toil for cellar-dwellers.

3) Don Gullett has a history of helping veteran pitchers with a history of arm problems.
   93. Askari Posted: January 14, 2003 at 06:43 PM (#563240)
Master Yoda--It is true. I have turned to the dark force when it comes to the Cincinnati Reds. My Dad grew up as an avid Reds fan while I grew up as a rabid Astros fan. Realignment created a vergence in the force and I fell victim to this. 'Empress' Marge Schott turned me to the dark side. Uncle Carl is ony a puppet. Two there always are.
   94. Bill Posted: January 14, 2003 at 08:14 PM (#563241)
"I think something in the neighborhood of an ERA+ of 90 may be the very definition, in practice, of a #4 starter."

He is if your team is an also-ran. He would not have been the fourth starter on any of last year's playoff teams except, maybe, the D-backs. This stands to reason. If your 4th and 5th starters are going to go say 12-14 and 9-13, then the rest of your staff needs to go 74-40 to get you to 95 wins, which is a tall order unless you have Johnson & Schilling.
   95. User unknown in local recipient table (Craig B) Posted: January 14, 2003 at 09:43 PM (#563242)
then the rest of your staff needs to go 74-40

After all these years, seeing those numbers still makes me quake with anger.
   96. Bill Posted: January 14, 2003 at 09:47 PM (#563243)
Very erudite Craig, but wasn't it 54-40 or fight?
   97. Mr. Crowley Posted: January 16, 2003 at 05:44 AM (#563503)
It's a trap!
   98. User unknown in local recipient table (Craig B) Posted: January 16, 2003 at 04:33 PM (#563508)
Well, this mess of a pitching staff is a clear admission that the Reds think Don Gullett is a genius and can work miracles with any old ragbag group of bipeds who could once throw 88 and aren't actively serving time in federal prison.

I hope in his next contract negotiation, Gullett squeezes them for every penny they've got... what price do you think he could extract from them if he threatened to bolt to a division rival? What's a miracle-worker worth? A million dollars a year? Two? *More*?

It's great to see Gullett have so much success now, after his great pitching career was derailed by youthful overwork, unrealistic expectations, and the consequent rotator cuff problems.
   99. Bunny Vincennes Posted: January 16, 2003 at 05:23 PM (#563511)
I think the question here is, why Paul Kilgus? Why not Jeff Pico, or Bob Scanlon, or Laddie Renfroe, or Dave Pavlas, or Shawn Boskie, or Jim Bullinger?
   100. Old Cardinal Fan Posted: April 15, 2003 at 10:42 PM (#565669)
Just don't hold the image of Barry Larkin in 2002-2003 as what you'll remember of him 5 or 6 years from now. One of the easiest choices for the All-Decade team for the 1990's is Larkin at SS. His only real flaw as a player for that decade was that injuries cost him playing time. As much as I appreciated Ozzie Smith, even I have to admit that Ozzie picked up a few All-Star starts that rightfully belonged to Larkin.

Barry Larkin for the Hall of Fame!
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