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Monday, April 26, 2004

Cleveland Indians

Acquired 3B Russ Branyan from the Atlanta Braves for a PTBNL; acquired P Rick White from the LA Dodgers for OF Trey Dyson.

Pretty straightfoward trade - White and Branyan are useful spare type parts that weren’t be used by their current organizations, so the Indians trade some fodder to stash these two in Buffalo for the time being.  Dyson’s looking like an organizational player at this point - despite being a college player, he’s been very ordinary and has advanced very slowly as a result.  Dyson will probably peak as a AAA backup.

White will be used sooner with a couple key injuries and a few in the bullpen still getting hit on a regular basis.  Branyan would have been handy with the Braves but they lost interest in him after a series of 0-fers in spring training.

Dan Szymborski Posted: April 26, 2004 at 04:46 PM | 2 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. J. Lowenstein Apathy Club Posted: August 02, 2001 at 05:29 AM (#551640)
Dan, I have been watching Bradley for some time now; as an Expos fan I keep track of the Montreal media, etc. Bradley's behaviour has become more erratic than ever before. At times, he has uttered some quite worryingly paranoid statements.

Bradley shows signs of becoming like Rickey Henderson; not, unfortunately, in terms of playing ability, but personal relations. I hope he gets it straightened out in Cleveland... a serious malcontent has a way of interfering with a team's success; unless you can play like Rickey Henderson, your career won't last too long.
   2. Mike Emeigh Posted: December 07, 2001 at 04:24 PM (#551970)
Dunno - Brady's been sub-800 OPS in three years out of the last four, although Cleveland is a much better hitting environment than .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) He can't really play CF any more. I suppose it's not beyond the realm of possibility that he could bounce back to a .375/.450 kind of season, but realistically I think he's through.

-- MWE
   3. RJ in TO Posted: December 07, 2001 at 09:51 PM (#551971)
This is about as low risk a signing as you are likely to find. If he turns out to be done, all it costs the Indians is another 200K to release him, assuming someone else picks him up. Besides, at worst, he makes a passable 4th outfielder who can draw a walk, and show a bit of speed.

So he's basically Brian Hunter, with power, and the ability to draw a walk, for 1M less a year, without a guaranteed two year commitment. I just laugh that when you work things out (And I know the sport doesn't actually work this way) the Orioles and Indians traded outfielders, with the Orioles picking up the salaries of both players.

Pretty sweet deal for the Indians, seeing as how they didn't seem to want Cordero back, anyways.
   4. Voros McCracken Posted: December 08, 2001 at 02:01 AM (#551973)
Dan,

It appears in order to make room for Brady, the Indians designated Steve Woodard for assignment. I would think the texas Rangers would be insane not to take a shot here, although a team in a non-hitters park like OP@CY might be more suitable.

It's hard enough to find guys who can get the ball over the plate. Whatever Woodard's problems may or may not be, that isn't one of them.
   5. Darren Posted: February 01, 2002 at 03:09 AM (#553814)
Your choice of Lofton as an example is an odd one. He most certainly will get a major league contract and already has one offer from Detroit.

That said, I'm shocked that Lofton hasn't drawn more interest. During last season, I was discussing with my friends whether Lofton would be worth a $5 million, 1 year contract for 2002. We mostly agreed that he would be, but that he would command a higher price, and possibly more years.

Lofton would make a ton of sense for the Mets. He could take Payton's spot provide a nice one-two punch with Cede?o. I'd love to see the Red Sox get him.

The soft market continues. I wonder if there's some sort of collusion going on.
   6. RJ in TO Posted: February 01, 2002 at 04:51 AM (#553815)
Darren,

I don't know about collusion, but I can really understand why Lofton isn't exactly in high demand. At this point, he's a 34 year old speed guy who seems to be losing that speed. Plus he's been a bit injury prone the last couple of years and his throwing arm doesn't seem to be up to par anymore.

Basically, he's become not quite good enough to play CF, but not enough of a hitter to play the corner outfield slots. Even so, I'm surprised someone hasn't come up with a couple million to sign him as 3/4th OF, part-time DH, and possible platoon guy.
   7. Darren Posted: February 01, 2002 at 03:10 PM (#553820)
Blair and Ryan--

You are both assuming that last year was indicative of Lofton's skill level. That may be, but it seems likely to me that Lofton's injuries caused him to have one bad season.

In CF, Lofton had a .919 zone rating, placing him 4th in the majors, ahead of Torii Hunter, Chris Singleton, and Mike Cameron. (I don't think zone rating is a perfect stat, but it's the best we've got. Range Factor places him in the middle of the pack.)

Look at Roger Cedeno. He got about $4 to $5 mil. He had an OBP in the .330s last year and it's a certainty that he cannot play center field. Though being much younger, he's more likely to bounce back.

STATS projection for Lofton: .370 OBP, .421 SLG

Lastly, even if we agree that Lofton isn't worth $5 to $7 mil., he's exactly the kind of player who would have gotten that much in the past: a proven veteran who's been on winning teams.
   8. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: February 01, 2002 at 03:51 PM (#553821)
Lofton's starting to acquire a Brady Anderson look around the edges to me...
   9. Darren Posted: February 01, 2002 at 04:26 PM (#553822)
Anderson had an off year at age 34 as well and came back to .404 OBP at age 35 and .375 OBP at 36.
   10. Matthew Rich Posted: February 01, 2002 at 07:39 PM (#553827)
Bo, I think his name is Tony Medrano. I don't know how to put together MLE's, but it seems to me his .367 OBP over a full season at Buffalo last year should have meant the Indians didn't need to sign Ricky Gutierrez to a 3 year deal. The more I think about it, the more it seems to me the Gutierrez deal only makes sense if a.) Vizquel is on the trading block (and Shapiro is not hiding the fact from him that they probably won't make the playoffs, thus making Vizquel a little more likely to OK a trade to a "contender"; or b.) Shapiro is an idiot and doesn't recognize cheap talent when he sees it. Unfortunately, I think the smart money is on B.

BTW, are you Polak999?
   11. Matthew Rich Posted: February 01, 2002 at 11:07 PM (#553830)
Bo,

Cheers. I don't post often to the indians newsgroup, but I read it. It's been pretty slow lately. I believe you were the one to get the Prospectus guys to call Cabrera "Dilbert". Well done.

I saw that Sorenson and Edwards got promoted from Akron to Buffalo over the offseason. That infield is looking pretty crowded, especially if Dave Hollins and Bill Selby stick around. Is Shapiro collecting bad infielders the way Hart is collecting bad starting pitching?
   12. Repoz Posted: February 02, 2002 at 06:03 AM (#553954)
THE Brooks Kieschnick with the career .850 OPS in AAA and a tepid .620 OPS in the Bigs....The same Kieschnick who was the Cubs wasted #1 pick in 1993....There couldn't be another Kieschnick who had a magical call-up with Cincy and proceeded to go 0-12....and said he was hitting in tough luck.

I think I ordered a Kieschnick Sandwich at the Carnegie Deli once.
   13. Sean Forman Posted: February 02, 2002 at 08:21 AM (#553957)
I've always thought that teams missed the boat with Kieschnick. Here was a guy who was a dynamite college pitcher. When it became clear that he wasn't going to be a major league starter pitching or hitting, somebody should have made him into a utility pitcher/outfielder/pinch hitter. His main job would have been to hit, but if he could absorb 40-60 mop up innings at a 4.50-5.50 ERA that would have some value, especially to a team like Colorado. It might even allow a different team to go with ten pitchers.
   14. Repoz Posted: February 02, 2002 at 04:58 PM (#553961)
Bo
   15. SnowBoy Posted: February 02, 2002 at 11:00 PM (#553833)
Signing Lansing to a minor league deal was an excellent move by the Indians. Lansing at $6M/yr <see Red Sox> is not smart. This is. Lansing is a veteran player now, who can backup either of the middle infield positions. Lansing also lets Shapiro play with the dominoes some more...if he has to trade Omar Vizquel, he might get something back, because Gutierrez-Lansing sounds less desperate than Gutierrez-John McDonald, because Lansing can play 2B tomorrow if necessary. Also, Jolbert Cabrera can probably concentrate on just winning a spot at 3B and CF now.

I suppose all of this is based on suspicion that Vizquel will be traded, due to salary, and with Gutierrez on the team now. (hard to believe they signed him as a FA, then made him change positions?) Of course, trading Vizquel-Alomar and ending up with Gutierrez-Lansing sounds like hell to an Indians fan...and maybe it is. But if Shapiro is under constrictions to reduce the salaries, he could have done a lot worse. That middle infield would be as good as many, and cheaper than most. Besides, in the end, if I'm wrong about more trades, or if critics are right that Lansing can't play anymore...what has been risked? It's a minor league deal. Smart move, I say.
   16. Dan Szymborski Posted: February 06, 2002 at 01:31 AM (#554127)
I thought it was pretty much a given that there would be no contraction in 2002 and I don't think it's even very likely in 2003. A lot depends on what results from arbitration. I suspect that Bud Selig was the last person to find out that it was dead for 2002.
   17. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: February 06, 2002 at 01:41 AM (#554128)
Omar in Cleveland? Guess they have souvenir home run ball night on the schedule somewhere...
   18. Cris E Posted: February 06, 2002 at 03:54 PM (#554130)
Omar should be looking for a town where four or five pitching injuries are expected. I'm thinking NYM has a lot of crossed fingers for 02, but the recent history of PIT says that at least a couple guys are going to be lost for the year. But CLE has old Finley and Nagy, Wright and Shuey, so he might be onto something...
   19. Colin Posted: February 06, 2002 at 04:16 PM (#554131)
Well, lots of guys are getting chances that only appear viable on a 16 man staff - the Braves, for instance have Darren Holmes, as I think was posted here. But they also have given a spring invite to Chris Hammond! Yes, Chris Hammond, whose lowest ERA since 1995 is 5.92, and who hasn't pitched in the majors since a miserable 13 inning stint in 98...
   20. Jason Posted: February 08, 2002 at 05:34 PM (#554134)
How does Olivares continue to find work? What was ever appealing about this guy? I remember doing cartwheels when the Tigers finally gave up on him.
   21. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: February 11, 2002 at 05:50 PM (#554262)
Olperfersser, you left out part of the story.

Jose Mercedes actually Jody Reeded his way into this situation. Based on his excitement over his mediocre 2000, he turned down a $8M/3 year deal from the Orioles before the 2001 season. (So who looks stupider? The Orioles, for offering it, or Mercedes, for rejecting it?)

A few points:
   22. RJ in TO Posted: February 24, 2002 at 06:26 AM (#554994)
I thought the Indians had been ridiculously careful to enfore a pitch limit for Sabathia all year. After all, they only let him throw 180 IP this year over 33 starts. I realise that his pitch counts were high as he both walked and struck out a ton of guys, but it still seems like a reasonably non-abusive season.

Weaver, on the other hand, is a guy who has been ridden really hard, and has a motion that makes you expect to see his arm just go pinwheeling off into the stands one of these days. Of course, with that being said, I like the Weaver signing a lot more than this one, as the Tigers bought out both the arbitration years and the first yearf of free agency. The Indians (although Sabathia has a higher upside) didn't even buy out the arbitration years, which really confuses me. On the other hand, I don't understand why Sabathia didn't get the 5th year guaranteed, rather than a team option.
   23. Repoz Posted: February 24, 2002 at 07:56 AM (#554995)
The Indians biggest concern with him has been his weight and the excess burdon it puts on his arm...I wonder if the Tribe put a clause in C.C.McDowell's contract?
   24. Dan Szymborski Posted: February 24, 2002 at 05:20 PM (#554998)
You run into the problem of the risk from the players' standpoint. If a team can get out of a contract they freely offered because the player didn't meet their expectations, why shouldn't a player be able to get out of a contract because a team didn't meet their expectations?

In the case of players with less than 6 years of minor league service, there's no requirement for them to have a long-term contract. The Indians could have simply cut Sabathia pre-arbitration with no financial penalty or non-tender Sabathia if they don't like what he's going to make in his next years. But they freely gave up their rights to cut Sabathia in order to get a chance at having a superior bargain.

I doubt the MLBPA would even consider a move to make freely negotiated contracts non-guaranteed. Contracts aren't guaranteed now because of the CBA; they're guaranteed because the players and their agents have negotiated those clauses into individual contracts on a case-by-case basis. If the owners tried to make such a move, you'd see Fehr very quickly remind the owners that having 6 years of exclusive rights to a player is a concession, not a right and that one-and-one can very easily become the law of the land.
   25. Borgnine Posted: February 24, 2002 at 05:43 PM (#554999)
Gadfly, it looks like they're not smart enough:

"We built C.C. up slowly last year. Ninety-six pitches? That's nothing. Some people throw 96 pitches in two or three innings. I'll never overwork a pitcher. I'd like to build C.C. up to about 120 pitches this season."

http://www.cleveland.com/tribe/plaindealer/index.ssf?/xml/story.ssf/html_standard.xsl?/base/sports/10142010788040208.xml
   26. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: February 24, 2002 at 08:02 PM (#555000)
So the deal now becomes the Indians paying Sabathia 10 mil for the right to destroy his arm? Didn't they get that out of their system with Wayne Garland?
   27. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: February 24, 2002 at 08:39 PM (#555001)
Olperfesser,
   28. Kurt Posted: February 25, 2002 at 04:10 AM (#555002)
Manuel: "We built C.C. up slowly last year. Ninety-six pitches? That's nothing. Some people throw 96 pitches in two or three innings. I'll never overwork a pitcher. I'd like to build C.C. up to about 120 pitches this season."

So apparently this IS a bad contract......
   29. Darren Posted: February 25, 2002 at 02:18 PM (#555004)
Manual has to mean that he's going to build him up to a 120 pitch limit. Right? Doesn't he?
   30. jwb Posted: February 25, 2002 at 08:18 PM (#555007)
I don't wish Sabathia ill at all, but here's the downside:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/c/correed01.shtml

Big, strong pitcher, worked hard at age 20. Sabathia's W/L is much better, but the ERAs are about the same in context.
   31. Walt Davis Posted: February 25, 2002 at 09:34 PM (#555009)
OlP --

the reason for the differences between NFL and MLB is that the NFL has always had a fairly weak union and the players lost the last strike rather badly. NFL contracts are the way they are because management has more power there and they've structued it to management's benefit.

As Carlos points out, the NFL's current structure really isn't that different. A big signing bonus pretty much guarantees that the team is going to keep the player around for a certain number of years until they feel like they've got their money's worth.

It's largely a labelling problem. In football, you'll hear a qb signed a 6-year $42 million contract, with $12 million in signing bonus. In baseball, you'd call that a 4 year guaranteed contract for $28 million plus two option years at $7 million each. From management's perspective, the NFL still has it a bit better -- if the player goes belly up, they might be able to get out for as little as $22 million or so.

On the risk issue, aren't most baseball contracts insured such that the club doesn't assume all the risk? Or is that just for bigshots like Albert Belle?
   32. Dan Szymborski Posted: February 25, 2002 at 10:01 PM (#555010)
I remember Edwin Correa. Sabathia could rip him to pieces and eat him for breakfast. Sabathia also doesn't refuse to pitch on Fridays and Saturdays, which increases his value.
   33. Walt Davis Posted: February 26, 2002 at 09:37 PM (#555013)
I think signing bonuses, in part, guarantee a guy will get some minimum level of compensation for skills already attained, while the multi-year salary figures hold out the promise of higher compensation if higher skills are developed. If they're not, though, the NFL team says adios.

But the multi-year contract in baseball works in a somewhat similar fashion. Remember, in MLB, a team has exclusive rights to a player for 6 years, 3 of them quite cheap. Just as the signing bonus is for skills already attained, the guaranteed contract they get when they become FA rewards them as much for what they've developed as it does for what they're going to do. What does surprise me a bit is we're starting to see big signing bonuses and lots of guaranteed years.

Of course sometimes teams will sign players to long-term guaranteed contracts before they're FA's, but this is usually done (1) as a reward for a really good player developing skills ahead of schedule and (2) as cost certainty and protection against an outrageous arbitration award. I'm not sure if it's really a good idea or not from the team's perspective.

Still, there's a huge amount of risk-sharing in MLB, it's just arranged differently than in the NFL. In MLB, players take the risk in the early part of their careers and hopefully reap rewards at the end. Football players, the good ones anyway, get nice juicy rewards out of the gate in exchange for less certainty down the road. In both leagues, marginal players generally get treated like marginal players (unless they're with the O's).

Anyway, imagine the signing bonus and contract that Josh Beckett could command right now. Surely the Marlins are glad that he's the one bearing most of the risk for the next couple years at least.
   34. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: March 07, 2002 at 02:18 AM (#555269)
Dear God.

Is it too late to stage some kind of intervention for Dan?
   35. Dan Szymborski Posted: March 07, 2002 at 02:38 AM (#555270)
Dear Perplexed in Peoria,

At this point, it's still best to teach your kid to be a fast Dominican that can't hit. Having a fictional birth certificate also allows you to declare him as a dependent longer and collect more child tax credits.
   36. MattB Posted: April 23, 2002 at 06:17 PM (#556035)
Pardon my statutory ignorance, but what, exactly, is Voros' Law?
   37. Greg Franklin Posted: April 23, 2002 at 07:20 PM (#556038)
Voros' Law: "Anyone can hit just about anything in 60 AB."

Formulated April 2000.

http://groups.google.com/groups?threadm=8eco7v$c4t$3@news.enteract.com
   38. Dan Szymborski Posted: April 24, 2002 at 01:36 AM (#556039)
If I'm going to use up a roster spot for a platoon, I want a lefty-basher that's a lefty-basher, not a guy who's merely solid against lefties. Considering Cordero doesn't work for the minimum, I don't find him to be of much use unless he's playing 2B or SS.

Practically anyone would be an improvement of Scott Spiezio. I still don't understand why the Angels feel the need to use a fairly generic offensive 2B at first. It's even worse than when Offerman was at first as none of the Offerman experiments were permanent and Offerman used to be a far better offensive player than Spiezio is.
   39. Toby Posted: April 26, 2002 at 03:09 PM (#556045)
Seems like the following is a corollary to Voros' Law: Anyone can duplicate Johnny Van der Meer's feat.

And that makes sense, since ol' double-no-hit wasn't any great shakes.
   40. Voros McCracken Posted: April 27, 2002 at 01:05 AM (#556047)
I'd rather have Lyle Mouton or Brent Cookson as my lefty-basher than Wil Cordero. I don't think either is playing affiliated baseball right now. I'm not sure whether either has retired, but even if they have, it hasn't been long enough to dissuade them from un-retiring if someone gave them an MLB job.
   41. User unknown in local recipient table (Craig B) Posted: April 28, 2002 at 11:42 PM (#556050)
Sorry, that one was me. Couldn't resist.
   42. Greg Franklin Posted: May 04, 2002 at 09:56 PM (#556284)
Any hot chicas?
   43. Toby Posted: May 22, 2002 at 04:50 PM (#556662)
Tip o' the cap to Brady, but I'm still glad the Sox traded him for Boddicker. Couldn't have won the '88 and '90 flags without him.
   44. Darren Posted: May 22, 2002 at 07:09 PM (#556664)
Are you glad they traded him AND Schilling though?

I'm torn, but I usually think it's a good deal for the Sox.
   45. Toby Posted: May 22, 2002 at 08:23 PM (#556667)
Darren, good point. Let's not forget about Schilling.

But Schilling didn't really come into his own till 1992, four years after the trade, by which time he'd been traded by the Orioles and Astros. Yep, I'd say it was worth it. But I could see an O's fan saying it was worth it, too (while bemoaning the Glenn Davis trade that sent Schilling to Houston).
   46. Tony B Posted: June 07, 2002 at 10:40 PM (#557005)
Who would have predicted last year that Chad Allen would not be good enough for the Twins, but yet good enough for the Indians? That's gotta be a true sign of a weak outfield (even more than signing Brady Anderson).
   47. Bernal Diaz has an angel on his shoulder Posted: June 07, 2002 at 10:57 PM (#557006)
As I predicted last week the Tribe traded for a 1B prospect. Unfortunatly it wasn't Overby or Durazo like I thought it would be. One thing about this trade that concerns me is what happens if Travis Fryman goes down for any period of time? Sure you can probably plug John MacDonald or Jolbert Cabrera in 3rd but it makes your bench somewhat thin. My guess that this is only the first in a series of moves for Shapiro that eventually culminate in a Colon or Thome for Scott Rolen, possibly even in a 3-way deal with anohther team.
   48. Dan Szymborski Posted: June 07, 2002 at 11:23 PM (#557007)
I'm still clinging to the hope that the Indians don't dump Jim Thome for a sack of beans. Not an Indians fan, of course, but I can sympathize.
   49. Colin Posted: June 07, 2002 at 11:35 PM (#557008)
I've seen rumors in the paper here in Ohio that Thome is on the block. It would be nice for me if it was to Atlanta, though I can't imagine what Atlanta would have to offer.
   50. Repoz Posted: June 08, 2002 at 12:11 AM (#557009)
Bowdense,tired of all the 5 tool grabbing flak,goes the other direction with a 1 tool player.
   51. Bernal Diaz has an angel on his shoulder Posted: June 08, 2002 at 01:58 PM (#557016)
Who is Broussard's agent?
   52. True Blue n/k/a "DeJesusFreak" Posted: June 10, 2002 at 04:53 PM (#557020)
Let me get this straight -- The Reds already are having issues finding playing time for 4 OFs (even though most of us would find the choice fairly easy). They're also continuing to mess around with Reggie Taylor in the OF as well. So they decide to (a) reinvest their time/money in Sean Casey, (b) trade a top 1B prospect, and (c) get *another* OF in return? With all due respect to Arthur's observation, what am I missing?
   53. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: June 10, 2002 at 07:52 PM (#557021)
Re: True Blue

You're missing the fact that Branyan is a 1B/3B by nature, not an OF. He's been shoehorned into the OF in Cleveland because Jim Thome and Travis Fryman (when heathy) were ahead of him in the corner infield pecking order while the OF this year is very thin.
   54. Greg Franklin Posted: June 10, 2002 at 10:37 PM (#557023)
Jackson Melian is a notorious toolsy prospect from the Yankees system, like Ricky Ledee.

Geoffrey N. Young report from January 2000

Jim Callis: I think he's falling into the category of a guy with great tools who never figured out how to hit enough. (February 2002)

This trade was made because MIL ran out of catchers. Paul Bako and Raul Casanova are on the shelf with injuries - Marcus Jensen was the only healthy guy. Getting Machado will surely allow the Brew Crew to compete on the field and win back their fan base.

(cough cough)
   55. True Blue n/k/a "DeJesusFreak" Posted: June 11, 2002 at 12:16 AM (#557024)
Vlad --

You're right; I was overlooking Branyan's original history as a corner infielder. Just the same, the Reds are saying they'll use him as a backup at these postions -- isn't this still a waste of resources (unless another deal is in the works)? Is the upgrade at 3B really worth losing Broussard when the team has other far more pressing needs?
   56. Klobedanz Posted: June 11, 2002 at 04:18 PM (#557026)
I remember reading an SI article a few years ago highlighting 2 prospects who were going to be the "next Mark Mcgwire". I think it was even a cover story. The 2 guys? Russell Branyan and Pat Burrell. Ehhh, not quite.
   57. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: June 17, 2002 at 06:48 PM (#557192)
I'm voting for #2, but it took me a minute to decide. Never in my wildest dreams did I imagine that Ricky Gutierrez would bomb this badly.

I know where they could get a slightly-used Pokey Reese on the cheap, if they're interested...
   58. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: June 18, 2002 at 12:32 AM (#557195)
Going into the season, I didn't expect Gutierrez to be playing second base. I took his signing as an indication that the team was going to trade Vizquel, and figured that it was a reasonable hedge at the price.
   59. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: June 19, 2002 at 03:47 AM (#557229)
Well, if they're going to not play someone, not playing Todd Dunwoody is ALWAYS a good idea.

I'm betting that the minute he enters a game, a mob of torch-wielding Jacobites drives him into the river and sets it on fire, to prevent the evil from rising again.
   60. SM in DC Posted: June 20, 2002 at 01:55 PM (#557234)
Did anyone see Neyer's column today about the Tribe and their offensive offense --

I don't mean to beat up on Todd Dunwoody, though. The last time I wrote about him, one of his relatives sent me an e-mail explaining exactly why it was far too early to give up on him -- this was a year ago, when the Cubs gave him a shot -- and it's no fun telling the truth about a lousy player when you know that somebody who cares about him is actually reading this stuff.

Ouch. Todd's got his fam pulling the old Selig-scold-the-reporter scam
   61. Will B. Posted: June 28, 2002 at 01:53 AM (#557336)
I am a die-hard Indians fan, and I have to say I like this trade. I didn't see a reason to trade Colon this season instead of his contract year, but if you are set on trading him, Brandon Phillip is probably as good as you are going to get. He should give Jeter, Nomar, and Tejada a run for their money as the best shortstop not making $25 million a year, and would be an upgrade offensively and defensively over the aging Vizquel. Let the trades commence Mister Shapiro.
   62. SM in DC Posted: June 28, 2002 at 02:03 AM (#557337)
So Bud? What say ye now? Both the contraction kids are squarely in the playoff hunt....
   63. Bud Selig Posted: June 28, 2002 at 02:12 AM (#557338)
Omar, what in the world are you doing? We're trying to kill you, not have you win! Do any more of this and you're fired!
   64. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: June 28, 2002 at 05:22 AM (#557346)
For what it's worth, Sizemore's in a pretty extreme pitcher's park (954 PF), and he's young for the league. Similarly, Lee's in a pretty serious hitter's park (1071 PF), and might be better than his already-spiffy record suggests.
   65. Geoff Young Posted: June 28, 2002 at 06:48 AM (#557350)
Omar, what in the world are you doing? We're trying to kill you, not have you win! Do any more of this and you're fired!

Didn't I see a movie based on this premise?
   66. Joel Barrett Posted: June 28, 2002 at 07:27 AM (#557351)
1) The cynical part of me can't help but think that this clinches the inevitability of a strike later this season.

2) Grady Sizemore would have been a 1st round pick in 2000 if it weren't for signability concerns. He's young, fast, and should be good enough defensively to play CF. He has good strike zone judgement and is reportedly a hard worker. He currently mostly hits ground balls, but if he learns to loft the ball he has "projectable" power. Brandon Phillips is clearly the key prospect, but Sizemore is not chopped liver. (Though if he doesn't progress at the plate he could be Peter Bergeron II).

3) The Expos and Braves were already both lacking a decent first basemen.
   67. Walt Davis Posted: June 28, 2002 at 02:25 PM (#557353)
So does this mean all Galarraga all the time? Or does Vitiello get a full-fledged shot? What's Seguignol up to these days?
   68. User unknown in local recipient table (Craig B) Posted: June 28, 2002 at 03:27 PM (#557355)
Tony Tavares in an interview last night said that the Expos did not in fact seek MLB approval because the trade doesn't add salary.

Tim Drew makes the minimum, and Colon $4.9 million, so the cash the Expos received was probably nearly a million dollars (Stevens makes $4 million, the three prospects probably not much more than $300,000 together). Adding in the cash makes the deal look a lot better for Montreal.

Apparently, according to statements I've seen from the team (and on rototimes) the Expos are currently going to job-share at first with Galarraga and Cordero.
   69. SM in DC Posted: June 28, 2002 at 03:33 PM (#557356)
What's Seguignol up to these days?

Walt -- I believe he's occupied in Japan becoming the second-coming of Tuffy Rhodes....
   70. Klobedanz Posted: June 28, 2002 at 07:01 PM (#557361)
C'mon, I'd love to see Brian Daubach in an Expos uniform.
   71. Roger McDowell spit on me! Posted: June 28, 2002 at 09:11 PM (#557362)
And remember how great that Snow/Gallaraga platoon was for the Giants last year?
   72. John Posted: June 29, 2002 at 12:32 AM (#557363)
Anyone else listen to Jeff Brantley on espn "break down" the trade? Not a mention of Phillips, Sizemore, or Lee. I wonder if he even knew who they are.....
   73. jwb Posted: July 11, 2002 at 08:28 PM (#557585)
And the winner of the Whack-a-Manuel Derby is Charlie!
   74. Darren Posted: July 12, 2002 at 01:52 AM (#557589)
Dan,

Aren't there about 1,000 Marlins trades happening that you should be posting?

Just trying to be a jerk,

Darren
   75. Greg Franklin Posted: August 05, 2002 at 10:52 PM (#558300)
In Wright's final start Saturday, a plastering televised live on Fox, the announcers suggested he would be banished to the pen to get himself straightened out. If the Indians are sending him to the minors, it probably means they still have hope for him as a starter.

The Fox guys pointed that 4 veteran members of the opening day pitching staff have been flipped by Shapiro for prospects: Colon, Finley, Shuey, Rincon. With Wickman on the DL, this makes Mark Wohlers of all people the senior man in the pen.
   76. John Posted: August 08, 2002 at 03:25 PM (#558351)
Oracle is right--Burba pitched OK for the Rangers. His ERA is a little inflated from his one or two relief appearances, but other than that he was pretty solid. Not unlike the way Helling pitched for them, lots of baserunners, just without the K's to get out of a jam. That said, he pitched better than Chan Ho Blister. I'm a little surprised he couldn't catch on with a contender--the Giants come to mind--just to sit around and be on hand for an emergency start or two. And I have no idea how to calculate DIPS, but I don't think it's fairly simple--and I know it's not just RA.
   77. Bernal Diaz has an angel on his shoulder Posted: August 12, 2002 at 05:34 PM (#558382)
This post should have read "Dec 18, 2000 Indians sign Manny Ramirez to 7 year contract."
   78. NTNgod Posted: August 13, 2002 at 02:12 AM (#558387)
Here's the news release straight from the Indianapolis Indians website.

Yup, ESPN/AP/whomever did a lot of fact-checking on this one :)
   79. NTNgod Posted: August 13, 2002 at 02:14 AM (#558388)
Of course, now I follow the link to the Cleveland Indians report above, and find the same article linked.

Oops.
   80. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: August 22, 2002 at 07:42 AM (#558485)
Okay, I'll bite (no pun intended) -- what's his real name?
   81. Bernal Diaz has an angel on his shoulder Posted: August 22, 2002 at 01:55 PM (#558489)
Here in Cleveland the fans love Coco Crisp. He is very articulate, hustles his ass off, and the chicks dig him. Actualy the marketing people for the Indians are doing a good job with all their young players. They are trying to get the fans excited about all the player making their MLB debut. Like last night was Ricardo Rodriguez's debut and all day long on the radio you heard, "Come out and see the Future debut tonight." Hopefully there won't be a strike so we can see players like Vic Martinez, Josh Bard, Brandon Phillips, Brian Tallet, all make there debuts. In fact I think it would be a good idea to call of themm up at the same time so you can have a few games with all the youngsters. The lineup would look like this:

C-Josh Bard
   82. Darren Posted: August 22, 2002 at 04:55 PM (#558490)
Isn't Cookie a better baseball nickname that would still fit the bill?

Quentin, in keeping with the Seinfeld theme, you should have been maknig the vaccuum cleaner motion and "vvmmm" after asking that question.
   83. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: August 23, 2002 at 01:44 AM (#558494)
I just did a spit-take when I saw Carlos Garcia penciled in at second. After further cursory research ( http://www.baseballamerica.com/cgi-bin/statsfindplayer.pl?player=garcia,+carlos ), I remain confused.
   84. Bernal Diaz has an angel on his shoulder Posted: August 23, 2002 at 04:56 PM (#558495)
I meant Luis Garcia, not Carlos. As for Maicer Izturis he is younger than Peralta and in my opinion has a better future. And as for the lineup it consists of players who made or will make their MLB debuts this year. Milton Bradley doesn't fit in this marketing scheme.
   85. Bernal Diaz has an angel on his shoulder Posted: August 23, 2002 at 06:00 PM (#558497)
Ok Ok Peralta then. Izturis is a better fielder though. Plus he is a switch hitter. Another guy to think about too is Corey Smith down in Kinston.
   86. Bernal Diaz has an angel on his shoulder Posted: August 24, 2002 at 01:11 PM (#558498)
Josh Bard is the Clutch God!!!!!!
   87. jwb Posted: August 28, 2002 at 05:47 PM (#558499)
On a more serious note, Gutierrez' injury is much more serious than a strained groin. It looks like he will require back surgery.

http://www.ohio.com/mld/ohio/sports/baseball/mlb/cleveland_indians/3914214.htm
   88. Cris E Posted: August 30, 2002 at 05:53 PM (#558628)
And, let's not forget, Truby was a replacement in '95. Talk about your complete satanic baseball player tools...
   89. Greg Franklin Posted: August 30, 2002 at 10:30 PM (#558630)
Mr. LaVey, it's an in-joke.

I don't know what you'd call Mo's actions. Doesn't your department handle gluttony? Or is that God's department?

(Actually, looking back on the 3 months since that TO post, has Truby lived up to anyone's expectations in Detroit, however limited?)
   90. NTNgod Posted: September 10, 2002 at 01:13 AM (#558768)
Too bad John Hart still isn't the GM of the Indians.

Given his historically generous nature towards the Brewers, he probably would have traded Martinez for the real Fabregas.

Oh well, he did give the Brewers Luis Vizcaino this year...
   91. Bernal Diaz has an angel on his shoulder Posted: September 13, 2002 at 05:08 PM (#558773)
Vic Martinez was a SS when he started in baseball. I foresee the Indians moving him to 3rd base next year at AAA. By July 1st the Indians lineup should look like this.
   92. Bernal Diaz has an angel on his shoulder Posted: September 14, 2002 at 01:59 PM (#558841)
I forgot all about Cliff Lee on the other thread.
   93. Veee Posted: September 18, 2002 at 06:06 AM (#558776)
Too bad John Hart still isn't the GM of the Indians. Given his historically generous nature towards the Brewers...

And the Reds. And the Pirates. I'm glad the "John Hart Small-Market Rejuvenation Program" is no longer running here in Cleveland.

you can bet your butt Shapiro will want to showcase the Colon trade talent ASAP

I really hope Shapiro doesn't screw things up because of pressure from nincompoop sportswriterds and fair-weather fans.

signing Einar Diaz was a stupid move

I don't think signing Diaz was such a terrible move.
   94. Veee Posted: September 19, 2002 at 09:00 PM (#558780)
Lawton (4 years/$27.0 Mil)
   95. Gideon Posted: December 20, 2002 at 04:17 PM (#561325)
I like the idea of Jason Bere as Baltic Avenue. Seeing as how every town, TV show and video game has its own customized Monopoly Board, we should do the same with MLB players.

Connecticut Avenue: cheap but sometimes useful -- John F. Mabry
   96. Mo Posted: December 21, 2002 at 06:42 AM (#561332)
I'm chairmain of the m***** f****** board. What has f****** Troy Percival ever been the chairman of?!?! And I'll pay you those $50 bucks in Ring Dings, thank you very much.

[whispers] ... hey Guapo, can ya score me some?
   97. Bill Posted: January 09, 2003 at 01:00 AM (#562832)
Look back at Mulholland's 1994 and 1995 seasons and tell me if you would have bet that he'd still be pitching in 2003? With all due respect to his lefthandedness, his career length in relation to his performance is amazing, just like Lenny Harris.

A shame the Pads didn't sign Burba to go with Nagy and Wright.
   98. Bernal Diaz has an angel on his shoulder Posted: January 09, 2003 at 01:18 AM (#562835)
Anybody her any dollor figures for these signings? These should be the last signings for the off season for the Indians and I am curious to see what their payroll is going to be.
   99. ckash Posted: January 09, 2003 at 03:02 AM (#562839)
Bernal-

I think the plan is to platoon Bill Selby and Casey Blake.

Personally, I think they should try to acquire Morgan Ensberg to play 3B, as Jimy has all but buried him in Houston.
   100. Bernal Diaz has an angel on his shoulder Posted: January 09, 2003 at 03:25 AM (#562840)
I would love to see Vic Martinez start the year at Buffalo and try 3rd. Keep Bard behind the plate and have a great hitter at 3rd.
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