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Friday, January 23, 2004

Colorado Rockies

Signed P Shawn Estes to a minor-league contract.

Well, he’s not as bad as Jeff Fassero, which is enough to make him almost the best Rockie signing of the offseason.

Estes, Shawn - 2004 ZiPS Projection
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W   L   G GS   IP   H   ER HR BB SO   ERA
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7 11 28 28 160 183 101 21 80 97 5.70

Dan Szymborski Posted: January 23, 2004 at 07:05 PM | 5 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   101. bob mong Posted: January 21, 2003 at 09:51 PM (#563930)
I dunno - as Rany pointed out, <i>Breaking it down into its component parts, then, we can more accurately say that Coors Field:

decreases strikeouts by about 14% (pre-humidor);
   102. Fog City Blues Posted: January 21, 2003 at 11:40 PM (#563938)
Not that the Neifi signing ever looked good, but it looks even worse now that Hernandez signed for 800K.

It's less than a month until pitchers and catchers report and there are still some good players on the market, who can probably be had fairly cheaply. I'm still holding out hope that Cruz, Jr will sign with the Giants.
   103. bob mong Posted: January 22, 2003 at 12:10 AM (#563940)
Just for kicks, here are Mike Cameron's translated stats if he played his home games at Coors.

First, his splits (last three years):

Home: .219/.327/.356
   104. Darren Posted: January 22, 2003 at 05:24 PM (#563944)
Thanks, bob mong, for an interesting post and provocative number-crunching. O'Dowd has been heavily criticized here and everywhere for trying a new team-building theory every 15 minutes, but this get-the-high-K-guys idea is one that'll be neat to watch.

It'll be interesting to watch until they lose 5 games in a row. Then they'll be traded for short guys with low centers of gravity or guys with great lung capacity.
   105. bob mong Posted: January 22, 2003 at 09:53 PM (#563945)
speaking of the High-K guys, here's a translation of Preston Wilson's last three years with the Coors effect:

This assumes he gets 700 PA next year.

Road games: .259/.314/.491 with 19 HR
   106. Geoff Young Posted: January 23, 2003 at 02:43 AM (#563946)
Reed did more than survive in Colorado, he thrived there. His 1995 line is unreal: 84 IP, 61 H, 21 BB, 79 SO, 2.14 ERA, 250 ERA+.

His ERA+, by year, with the Rockies:

1993: 110
   107. Nasty Nate Posted: January 23, 2003 at 09:25 PM (#564175)
El Guapo is sorely missed by us in Boston....

who can forget his 2 at-bats during the interleague games in Montreal?
   108. SM in DC Posted: January 23, 2003 at 09:26 PM (#564176)
So if its a minor league contract... is his contract being paid in Ring Dings, or like the cheap imitation store brand "snack cakes?"
   109. Walt Davis Posted: January 24, 2003 at 12:10 AM (#564182)
We've yet to see the prototype for a really good Coors pitcher despite scads of experiments

Have there really been "scads of experiments?" Has anyone done a study trying to find any pattern to pitchers who do well at Coors? It's not like the Rockies have employed tons of pitching talent over the years.

I say copy Jose Jimenez. In 116 IP at Coors, he's given up just 111 hits and 11 HRs (and just 34 walks). ERA of 3.96. ESPN doesn't give splits for G/F, but he's been right around 3 the last 3 years.

Isn't he an unsigned free agent?
   110. Stevens Posted: January 24, 2003 at 06:48 PM (#564193)
Guapo means handsome. I don't know if that's your intent, but if you're trying to call him fat, you're not doing it well. If you're not trying to call him fat, ignore this.
   111. Snowboy Posted: January 24, 2003 at 07:09 PM (#564194)
I simply can't say "Rich Garces." It always comes out "Fat Rich Garces." Even worse (better?) is "Fat Mike Fetters" because it rolls off the tongue so perfectly.
   112. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: January 24, 2003 at 10:23 PM (#564198)
Dunno. I think Dan calculates his own MLEs, but I don't know how he does it.
   113. Stevens Posted: January 25, 2003 at 12:03 AM (#564201)
Shoot me if I'm dignifying a comment that didn't deserve it...

I'd like to think my comment is worth dignifying. Thanks.

My fault if I don't know the history on this. What I have seen are lots of English speakers who think that "guapo" means fat for some reason. Further, I know Garces is a big, big fella. I didn't realize he was ugly too and people were reversing that. Wow that's mean.

But Three Amigos, that's a great movie.
   114. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: January 25, 2003 at 02:09 AM (#564203)
I'm pretty sure that "gordo" is the Spanish word for fat, in case anyone cares.

Ain't nothin' wrong with Garces' weight. The man can pitch, regardless of the number on the tag in his pants.
   115. Chris Dial Posted: January 26, 2003 at 02:06 AM (#564207)
That projection comes from a DIPS-based system Dan has developed. Pretty sweet I might add. He's been teasing me with it for a year - we finally convinced him to use it. He still tweaks it as he learns.

Mostly, we couldn't come up with a snappy name.
   116. Gold Star for Robothal Posted: February 21, 2003 at 09:59 AM (#564213)
Good thing Guapo saw the light and decided to call it quits before he watched his ERA in Coors Field go up to a jet liner.
   117. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: February 23, 2003 at 08:09 PM (#552543)
You probably feel a bit chafed over Closser, though... is there a burning sensation when you start Barajas or Moeller behind the dish?
   118. Randal Posted: March 05, 2003 at 08:28 AM (#556393)
Are you the biggest idiot ever?
   119. Darren Posted: April 11, 2003 at 01:00 PM (#565597)
Is that ZiPs for Coors?

If I'm Vaughn, no way I go to a place that's got 750 mediocre-to-good outfielders.
   120. Dan Szymborski Posted: April 11, 2003 at 03:01 PM (#565599)
They get the salary if they claimed him on waivers. Signing to a major league deal is no problem; the Devil Rays just did that with Easley and the Tigers are still stuck for most of the tab.
   121. True Blue n/k/a "DeJesusFreak" Posted: April 11, 2003 at 06:35 PM (#565601)
When you pick up a guy on waivers, you inherit his existing contract (but you also get priority over other potential claimants, depending on your record). OTOH, once the player goes through waivers, the original team can do with him what they wish (still remaining on the hook for outstanding salary), but a new team does not inherit the old team's deal.
   122. Walt Davis Posted: April 11, 2003 at 10:50 PM (#565602)
But correct me if I'm wrong -- if signed to a major-league deal, the Rox would (1) be giving him a guaranteed year at $300,000 and (2) start paying him that right away. By signing him to a minor-league deal, they get to pay him less as long as he's in the minors. And is the full year guaranteed if he's released without being promoted?

So I'd think they do save a LITTLE bit of money here.

But yes, it's definitely a sign that no one thought he could contribute right away. But doesn't getting cut by the D-Rays tell you pretty much the same thing.
   123. Athletic Supporter can feel the slow rot Posted: April 12, 2003 at 07:53 AM (#565605)
Wow, I saw the signing and my first thought was "Another boner for the Orioles." Then I looked up and the "Baltimore" was nowhere to be found.

I was befuddled for a moment.
   124. True Blue n/k/a "DeJesusFreak" Posted: April 24, 2003 at 04:04 PM (#565769)
This just in -- Generalisimo Francisco Franco is still dead.
   125. Rick A. Posted: April 24, 2003 at 04:38 PM (#565771)
I have also have fond memories of Crabtree. When he was going to be a closer for the Rangers one year, I traded him for Jim Edmonds in my roto league. He lost the closers job, the other guy released him and I picked him up on waivers. The next year he was again in line for the closers job, so I traded him to the same guy for Mike Cameron.
   126. Greg Franklin Posted: June 05, 2003 at 01:52 AM (#565606)
Vaughn got called up yesterday. Gabe Kapler (!) was sent to Colorado Springs to make room for him.

Vaughn had the right to opt out of his minor-league deal and become a free agent again if he wasn't recalled to the bigs by June 1, so that's why the timing is around now. Has he shown anything in Colo Springs?
   127. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: June 05, 2003 at 04:22 PM (#565607)
Vaughn's line. That's not bad, even for Colorado Springs.
   128. Greg Franklin Posted: June 05, 2003 at 08:47 PM (#565608)
Thanks for the link, Vlad. The Rox can use a guy who hits a HR every 3 games.
   129. The Artist Posted: June 17, 2003 at 01:39 PM (#566120)
woo hoo- My hacking mass team will rise again!!
   130. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: June 20, 2003 at 05:07 PM (#566140)
I love this deal for Colorado. O'Dowd gets a better player, cuts payroll, and adds an extra non-roster arm.

From Chicago's end, this looks like another of their patented Incremental Upgrades, although their misjudgement of Bellhorn's value means that this move's actually an incremental downgrade. I guess there's always next year.
   131. Red Man Posted: June 20, 2003 at 05:07 PM (#566141)
As a Cubs fan, this really eats me up. Leave it to the Cubs to look for the half-a$$ solution to their massive offensive problems. I like Jose Hernandez, but not as much at third base.
   132. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: June 20, 2003 at 05:08 PM (#566142)
To be charitable, I suppose it's possible that one of Chicago's advance scouts spotted whatever flaw in Hernandez's swing the Rox were trying to correct last week, and the team thinks they can get him back to his 2002 goodness. I kinda doubt it, but it IS possible.
   133. Red Man Posted: June 20, 2003 at 05:09 PM (#566144)
Vlad -
   134. Guancous Posted: June 20, 2003 at 06:05 PM (#566147)
Hernandez strikes me as the type of serviceable player that thrives under Dusty Baker. You will always get a chance to play as long as you get along with your teammates and respect the coaches. We may never know what happened with Bellhorn this year. I heard rumblings about disagreements with the coaches but I can't imagine that it would end up like this.
   135. Clyde Posted: June 20, 2003 at 06:06 PM (#566148)
I dunno, Erik. Bellhorn did play some in May but was constantly getting jerked around. If he didn't a get a hit in one game, he'd sit for 3. The guy hit 27 home runs last year, just give 500 at-bats and see what he could do. Despite his woeful batting average, Bellhorn was still getting on base at a decent clip, something that the Cubs needed. Baker and Hendry made it look like it was a foregone conclusion that Bellhorn would fail. I don't Bellhorn is going to post another .886 OPS anytime soon, but he can definitely help a club, and he could have helped the Cubs.
   136. Jason Posted: June 20, 2003 at 06:28 PM (#566151)
"Lenny Harris, who's bat is as stuffed with feces..." Now there is a nice mental picture.
   137. Transmission Posted: June 20, 2003 at 07:55 PM (#566152)
Chip and Steve have been very good about praising OBP, and Chip actually has since early last year, and it was indeed in connection to Bellhorn's emergence. I think that's a very valid interp. of Chip's motive, jmoultz.
   138. Walt Davis Posted: June 21, 2003 at 04:36 PM (#566159)
Jose Hernandez has already posted a couple decent years

I guess that depends on how you define "decent". Last year he as very good with a 121 OPS+. However, his career OPS+ is 91 -- that's perfectly OK for a good defensive SS, but it's not for a 3B. And if you look at seasons where he's played pretty much full-time, he's had one very good, one exactly average, and 3 bad years.

Meanwhile, talking about Bellhorn's past ML performance is rather pointless as it consisted of a whopping 374 PA, only 113 from 1998 through 2001. It tells us pretty much nothing about his potential. His minor-league numbers tell us he's a productive hitter. And in his only extended shot (since 97 when he was 22), he put up great numbers. As awful as Bellhorn's previous short stints were, his career OPS+ entering this season was 103. Even adding in this year's stats, I'd bet he's still got a higher OPS+ than Hernandez.

Hernandez is exactly the type of player the Cubs don't need. They're near the bottom in walks and OBP, and Hernandez is below the team average. Yes, he's better than Harris -- we should praise the Cubs for this?

As to those who think this is a precursor to a second move, you're probably right -- come late July, with the Cubs out of it, they'll trade Hernandez to a contender.
   139. John Posted: December 09, 2003 at 03:04 AM (#569501)
Lee Sinins made an interesting point about Reed in his daily e-mail: he's had a positive RSAA for each of the last twelve seasons, a feat matched only by Maddux (16), Johnson (14), and Pedro (12) among active pitchers with current streaks. That's pretty impressive, even if he is Steve Reed.
   140. Darren Posted: December 09, 2003 at 04:05 PM (#569502)
Why would there be venom for this move?
   141. Too Much Coffee Man Posted: December 11, 2003 at 01:55 AM (#569767)
I posted this on clutch hits, but it appears that they are also interested in Neifi Perez if they can't afford Aurilia (they can't), are very interested in Brent Mayne, and have talked about getting Ellis Burks and "E.Y." as well.
   142. Dan Szymborski Posted: December 11, 2003 at 02:53 AM (#569771)
Yeah, he was OK this year - but his other 3 OPS+ since leaving Colorado were 42, 94, 61, he'll be 37 on Independence Day, and the Rockies have 3 better options off the top of my head - Bellhorn, Atkins, and Pellow.
   143. Andere Richtingen Posted: December 12, 2003 at 12:12 AM (#569782)
Did they just draw a line down the middle of the island and say "OK, baseball players over here; everyone else over there"?

Well, they managed to get them to speak entirely different languages, so this isn't too surprising.
   144. NTNgod Posted: December 13, 2003 at 10:40 AM (#569783)
The Rockies are so broke, they're actually only paying him $500,000 next year.
   145. NTNgod Posted: December 13, 2003 at 10:43 AM (#569784)
Err, I should phrase that a little better.
   146. Dan Szymborski Posted: December 16, 2003 at 10:03 PM (#570275)
No info this time - just things like Suppan and Bellhorn.
   147. Darren Posted: December 16, 2003 at 10:54 PM (#570277)
I thought the Bellhorn deal was done.
   148. MM1f Posted: December 17, 2003 at 12:01 AM (#570279)
Omar!
   149. Fog City Blues Posted: December 22, 2003 at 09:19 PM (#570689)
If possible, the Michael Tucker signing looks even stupider.

The Giants could've gotten Burnitz for about the same cost. By signing Burnitz, the Giants could've even "burdened" their arch rivals with one of those onerous first round draft picks.
   150. There are no words... (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: December 22, 2003 at 09:40 PM (#570690)
MEMO TO THE ROCKIES...

Mazel Tov!
   151. NTNgod Posted: December 23, 2003 at 01:52 AM (#570692)
By signing Burnitz, the Giants could've even "burdened" their arch rivals with one of those onerous first round draft picks.

Nope; he wasn't offered arb, so the Giants would have still have to find another Michael Tucker type to sacrifice their pick on.
   152. Stinger Posted: December 23, 2003 at 02:52 PM (#570693)
NTN,
   153. reno dakota Posted: December 23, 2003 at 09:02 PM (#570695)
Isn't 40 and 150 great no matter where you do it?
   154. Primate Posted: December 23, 2003 at 10:07 PM (#570696)
"Isn't 40 and 150 great no matter where you do it?"

NO!
   155. NTNgod Posted: December 23, 2003 at 10:13 PM (#570697)
it would have been done before the deadline, so the Dodgers would have offered Jeromy arb.

That's a good point that didn't occur to me last night for whatever reason.

Don't drink anymore. Can't blame that.

My blood sugar was low. Yeah, that's it.
   156. J. Cross Posted: December 24, 2003 at 01:46 AM (#570699)
I'm not the anonymous ####### but picture a 37 yr. old Dave Kingman playing in Coors and hitting behind Rickey Henderson and Wade Boggs. I think 40, 150 would be a piece of a cake even in a very unproductive year.
   157. Noffs Posted: December 28, 2003 at 05:22 AM (#570705)
Considering that Coors depresses K's and boosts HR's, and if you take that as a percentage, Jeromy will do all right.

JJ Davis is out of options, by the way. I think they might just let him play.
   158. Lester Posted: January 06, 2004 at 07:49 PM (#571040)
How many chances is Rockies ownership going to give O'Dowd? At least a couple years ago he seemed to be trying, but this off-season it's like he just gave up trying to make the Rockies better.
   159. BrandonMO (U L) Posted: January 13, 2004 at 07:45 PM (#571574)
if it makes you feel any better... Coors is a better HR park for lefties and Fassero is a left handed pitcher
   160. Hendry's Wad of Cash (UCCF) Posted: January 13, 2004 at 08:05 PM (#571575)
I think, as much as anything, it's (C). These are people who have focused their entire lives on baseball since they were probably 14-15 years old. Playing in the minors (and/or college), then the majors, traded around, year after year after year.

Mickey Mantle, after he retired, used to describe a dream he had where he was outside Yankee Stadium looking in, and he could see all of his old teammates in there calling to him to come play, but he could never find the door to get in the stadium.

If you've done the same thing for 20 years, and then one day someone says it's time to move on, that's got to be a very hard thing to do, particularly since (D) most of them really do love the game. It's not like the pencil-pusher in accounting who works for 20 years as a way to put food on the table and can't wait for the day he gets the gold watch. Players have arguably the best job around, and to give it up to go do -- what? -- must be incredibly difficult.

I'd guess that very very few of them hang on just for the money.
   161. Hendry's Wad of Cash (UCCF) Posted: January 13, 2004 at 08:32 PM (#571577)
There aren't that many coach/manager positions around, particularly in the majors. If you had the choice between being in the majors as a player (with all the perks -- fly first class, meal money, nice hotels, nice stadiums, media coverage) or being someplace like Lansing or Missoula as a Class A pitching coach, which would you take?
   162. Depot Posted: January 13, 2004 at 11:59 PM (#571582)
Well, don't the Twins need some bullpen help? I assume they're thinking Helling can help them there. It's just a minor league contract so there's very little harm....
   163. Dr. Vaux Posted: January 14, 2004 at 04:22 AM (#571585)
#3-- that would (will?) be a great innovation for the entire site, but in the meantime, download Sean's B-R search button for the links toolbar; it's nearly as good. (available at br.com under 'frivolities')
   164. Mattbert Posted: January 14, 2004 at 05:42 PM (#571588)
This is going to make Rockies fans yearn for the days of the John Wasdin era.
   165. ColonelTom Posted: January 14, 2004 at 10:07 PM (#571589)
Has any team had a worse offseason this year than the Rockies? Their potential opening-day lineup is scary, and not in a good way. They've replaced Juan Uribe, Ron Belliard, and Chris Stynes with Damian Jackson, Royce Clayton, and Vinny Castilla.

Meanwhile, having tied up cash in 10 near-replacement-level players (Clayton, Jackson, Castilla, Denny Hocking, Jeff Fassero, Mark Sweeney, Benji Gil, Todd Greene, Jeff Tam, and Andy Tracy) they couldn't scrape together the $5.5 million over 2 years to re-sign Jay Payton, who at least gave them a semi-decent bat and some modicum of defense of the outfield. Instead, they paid for Jeromy Burnitz, in hopes that the Coors effect will mask the fact that his career is essentially over.

To top it off, they're apparently considering such pitching luminaries as Fassero and Garrett Stephenson to prevent one of their young, talented pitchers (including Chin-Hui Tsao, Jason Young, Denny Stark, Aaron Cook, Jason Jennings, and stupidly-designated "closer" Shawn Chacon) from getting major-league innings.

It's a train wreck, folks. Gather 'round and gawk.
   166. Kyle S Posted: January 15, 2004 at 06:58 PM (#571740)
Ahh yes, Turk for Mike Bielecki and Joe Girardi's backup (I forget the name, because I'm a moron), right? I still remember going to the 2nd game of the World Series in Atlanta that year - I ate a hot dog too fast and got sick. Stupid Blue Jays and Ed Sprague. Ahh, 5th grade.
   167. Kyle S Posted: January 15, 2004 at 07:02 PM (#571741)
B-Ref tells me the catcher's name was Damon Berryhill (oh yeah) and the trade was in late '91, but we didn't really see either play until '92 because they were ineligible for the postseason roster. Given that Berryhill sucked for 2 years and Bielecki only pitched 80 innings for us, that was a horrible trade in retrospect. Oh well.
   168. Mikαεl Posted: January 15, 2004 at 07:45 PM (#571744)
Sorry if the following story compounds Brian B's confrontation with mortality...

Ah, Damon Berryhill. I remember getting his Topps card in 1987 with that little trophy emblem on it, which told me he was a prospect. I was eight, I knew prospects were good, and if they became better, their cards would be worth a lot of money. Every month, the Beckett guide - or somebody - would have a listing of "hot prospects," and I'd always check it out.

Around this time, I got into getting signed autographs on cards. I'd mail a quick little letter with a compliment for the player, a card to sign and a self-addressed stamped envelope for them to send it back.

I remember Berryhill because, due to the little trophy on his card, I decided I ought to get his autograph. With that Beckett listing in mind, I sent him a short note:

-----

Dear Mr. Berryhill,

My name is Mikael, and I am eight years old. I think you are very hot. Please sign this card for me.

Sincerely,
   169. Too Much Coffee Man Posted: January 15, 2004 at 08:10 PM (#571745)
I do not understand why they signed Wendell when Bryan Rekar is still available.....
   170. Sam M. Posted: January 15, 2004 at 08:21 PM (#571746)
<i>Dear Mr. Berryhill,

My name is Mikael, and I am eight years old. I think you are very hot. Please sign this card for me.

Sincerely,
   171. jeff angus Posted: January 15, 2004 at 08:28 PM (#571747)
Wasn't it in the Rox home park that Wendell, bored in the bullpen, ripped off his vestments down to his underwear and swan in the outfield fountain pool?

If yes, will his ERA take more of a bath than that?
   172. Sam M. Posted: January 15, 2004 at 09:02 PM (#571750)
McCarver, no question. Rogers is completely worthless, and Morgan isn't nearly as willing to be explicitly critical of players and managers. McCarver gives occasional insights and is more candidly critical.
   173. Walt Davis Posted: January 15, 2004 at 09:26 PM (#571751)
For me it's Morgan in a landslide. I don't mind him on TV -- he says some dumb things now and again, but he says them in that pleasant voice. And in a way he's like the kind of manager that makes lots of baffling lineups and in-game decisions, but doesn't really have any problem recognizing who the best players on his team are. So he's not stupid, he's just incredibly frustrating.

Rogers probably comes in second. I'd swear I've read one or two decent columns from him over the years and at least he can dish me some of that juicy (and usually untrue and ridiculous) baseball insider stuff.

McCarver -- I don't know if there's anyone on TV I hate more than McCarver. If we would just put him, Stuart Scott, and Kenny Mayne in isolation, the world would be a much better place. (Time for regime change at ESPN ... though not without an exit strategy.) Seriously, McCarver's one of those rare people where I don't think it would be possible for me to be in the same room with him without jumping in his face and screaming about what an idiot he is at the top of my voice.

Mariotti would finish below McCarver.
   174. jwb Posted: January 16, 2004 at 12:07 AM (#571758)
I enjoyed muting the TV and listening to Pat Hughes and Ron Santo during the playoffs.

I do that sometimes, too. I like that the radio is usually a split second ahead of the tv and just as the pitcher releases the ball you the crack of the bat or the pop of the mitt.
   175. Kyle S Posted: January 16, 2004 at 08:00 AM (#571763)
`Advice' that one of my fraternity brothers gave me this morning, and I now pass on to Shawn Chacon, Jeff Fassero, Turk Wendell, and all other Rockies about to endure miserable seasons:

Don't be afraid to be awesome.

Nuff said.
   176. Kyle S Posted: January 16, 2004 at 08:06 AM (#571764)
By the way: apologies for being only 22. Additionally, I'm quite inebriated, so apologies also for the incoherence of anything. At least I don't have to remember names like Damon Berryhill (I'll never forget it, now) at the moment. I still remember the 2 hour drunken period when I denied that Jose Hernandez was ever a member of the Atlanta Braves. Ahh, youthful exuberance and drunkenness.
   177. Dan Szymborski Posted: January 16, 2004 at 01:57 PM (#571766)
Kyle, you were just drunk. When you're drunk, you don't even know that you're drunk.
   178. Edmundo Posted: January 16, 2004 at 05:40 PM (#571770)
Heh...actually, I'm probably pretty young by primate standards (no older than the median, anyway)...Kyle's reference to being in fifth grade in '92 (10 years after me) just made me feel kinda ancient.
   179. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: January 18, 2004 at 06:26 PM (#571776)
Wendell apparently turned down a MLB contract with guaranteed money to take a NRI with the Rockies. That has to hurt the ego of the team that he spurned.
   180. Hendry's Wad of Cash (UCCF) Posted: January 23, 2004 at 08:49 PM (#571968)
Yes! Yes! YES!!!!

When do the Cubs get to Colorado this year? As Harry used to say, "Whoever had the Cubs in the 13-run pool won today..."

That's 13 runs in 1 inning, of course. Estes was bloody awful last year. For his 28 starts, he gave up at least 4 runs in 16 of them. He pitched fewer than 5 innings 9 times.

Six of his eight wins were against Colorado, Baltimore, Milwaukee (twice), and Cincinnati (twice). His other two were against Houston, which lost the division to the Cubs by one game. Against Houston, Wood was 0-3, Prior 1-1, Zambrano 3-0, Clement 1-1, Estes... 2-1.

Now that's funny.
   181. Will B. Posted: January 23, 2004 at 09:39 PM (#571969)
His other two were against Houston, which lost the division to the Cubs by one game.

Estes obviously had a major impact on the pennant race and should have received more attention for MVP honors. If, say, Kerry Wood pitched versus Houston instead of Estes the Cubs lose 2 additional games to the Astros and finish the season 1 game back. Estes was the difference maker.
   182. Neil M Posted: January 23, 2004 at 10:39 PM (#571971)
Shawn Estes 2003 @ Colorado:

2IP 12H 7R 7ER 1BB 0K.

Was nobody looking?
   183. Hendry's Wad of Cash (UCCF) Posted: January 23, 2004 at 11:06 PM (#571972)
2 IP isn't enough of a sample size to draw any kind of conclusions. You really have to look at his whole season to see what to expect... um, expect from, uh... Hmm.

Nevermind.
   184. Ziggy Posted: January 24, 2004 at 08:33 PM (#571976)
This is my favorite signing so far this off season. It's just so so so funny....
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