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Saturday, May 28, 2005

Cubs - DLed Prior

Chicago Cubs - Placed P Mark Prior on the 15-day DL; recalled P Roberto Novoa.

Brad Hawpe, Legend Killer.

Well, maybe not.  Still, unless you’re a Cards fan, it hurts to see something like this happen to one of the most talented players on the planet.  Even the Cubs all but admitted it was serious right off the bat (pardon the pun).  The big worry now isn’t Prior in 2005, it’s Prior in 2006, 2007, and other years to come.

On a related note, hopefully this will silence the people who rail endlessly about the armor batters wear to the plate (though less recently thanks to MLB).  Baseballs colliding with body parts is a dangerous thing and baseball gains nothing by having athletes out with major injuries that could have been prevented.  Especially when actually enforcing a rule already on the books (players not getting out of the way of HBP) would fix the downside.  Batting armor wouldn’t have helped Prior in this case since he was pitching, not batting, of course, but the next player writhing in agony after shattering a bone may be in a situation that could have been prevented.

Oh, the Cubs called Roberto Novoa up.  He is, uh, not as good as Prior.  The Prior projection below isn’t to show what the Cubs will get but what they miss.  And what we all will miss in the future if Prior doesn’t come back the same pitcher.

2005 ZiPS Projection - Mark Prior
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Period     W   L   G GS   IP   H   ER HR BB SO   ERA
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Actual ‘05   4   1   9   9   58   42   19   9 18 62 2.93
Rest ‘05   6   4 20 20 131 103   44 12 37 151 3.02
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Total ‘05   10   5 29 29 189 145   63 21 55 213 2.99

 

Dan Szymborski Posted: May 28, 2005 at 05:10 PM | 22 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. FDR Jones Posted: May 28, 2005 at 09:01 PM (#1368475)
sigh
   2. caprules Posted: May 28, 2005 at 09:11 PM (#1368485)
I remember a few years ago there was concern in the Twin Cities area because of a few Little Leaguers that suffered freaky injuries. The cartoonist for the Star-Trib drew a picture of a kid holding a baseball bat dressed like a hockey goalie. Dan's spiel brought that image back, thinking of some overprotective Little League mother saying that baseball players should wear padding in the field (not that Dan is suggesting this, it just sparked a memory).
   3. Psychedelic Red Pants Posted: May 28, 2005 at 09:33 PM (#1368511)
Why shouldn't pitchers wear some form of protection? I realize that in some cases it's impractical, but QB-style rib protectors might not be a bad idea.
   4. Hendry's Wad of Cash (UCCF) Posted: May 28, 2005 at 09:39 PM (#1368516)
<style rib protectors might not be a bad idea.</i>

The strenuousness of the motions and contortions many pitchers go through may make designing such a piece of clothing all but impossible.

It's hard to picture something Prior could have been wearing on his elbow that wouldn't have pretty drastically altered his pitching motion. Even a simple elbow pad probably would necessitate a reworking of the motion.
   5. Psychedelic Red Pants Posted: May 28, 2005 at 09:45 PM (#1368519)
It's hard to picture something Prior could have been wearing on his elbow that wouldn't have pretty drastically altered his pitching motion. Even a simple elbow pad probably would necessitate a reworking of the motion.

Yeah, Prior's specific injury may be unpreventable without some substantial advance in materials. A rib guart was just one protector that a pitcher couldprobably get away with.
   6. Urban Faber Posted: May 28, 2005 at 09:48 PM (#1368520)
The way Prior's luck seems to run, he'd probably get hit in any area that wasn't protected.
   7. NTNgod Posted: May 28, 2005 at 09:51 PM (#1368525)
Brad Hawpe, Legend Killer.

It must not have been just Jason Jennings that the Cubs/media ticked off by saying they should sweep the Rockies...
   8. Dan Szymborski Posted: May 28, 2005 at 10:03 PM (#1368544)
Oh, I just thought the type of injury made it a good place for a comment - the furor around batter armor is one of my pet peeves.
   9. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar Posted: May 28, 2005 at 10:10 PM (#1368553)
The way Prior's luck seems to run, he'd probably get hit in any area that wasn't protected.

You mean the one part of his body that Thetis failed to dip into the preserving fire.
   10. Hendry's Wad of Cash (UCCF) Posted: May 28, 2005 at 10:37 PM (#1368593)
Oh, I just thought the type of injury made it a good place for a comment - the furor around batter armor is one of my pet peeves.

I hate batter armor more than pretty much anyone (comes from years of watching Biggio hang his Robocop titanium arm out over the opposing batters box). If they enforced the getting out of the way rule -- and if they added a rule that a ball hitting the armor was not a HBP -- I'd be fine with it. I'm not pro-injury, but I'm also very much against giving the batter that much leeway to hang over the plate and force the pitcher off the inside corner.
   11. fables of the deconstruction Posted: May 28, 2005 at 11:23 PM (#1368689)
Oh, I just thought the type of injury made it a good place for a comment - the furor around batter armor is one of my pet peeves.

Mine too Dan... but I'll guarantee that we're diametrically opposed on the issue.

If they enforced the getting out of the way rule

That and the batter's box rule or... *gasp* even modify the damned rule to back the "batters box" off the plate and calling them out when they're out of [the] box.

Don't even get me started...!!! ;-) :-) ...

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trevise :-) ...
   12. Hendry's Wad of Cash (UCCF) Posted: May 28, 2005 at 11:39 PM (#1368710)
That and the batter's box rule or... *gasp* even modify the damned rule to back the "batters box" off the plate and calling them out when they're out of [the] box.

I wouldn't mind seeing them enforce the catcher's box rule as well -- both feet in the box when the ball is pitched. You see these catchers set up two feet outside and frame pitches that aren't anywhere close to being strikes because they hit the mitt. If they were planted behind the plate, then they'd have to reach for outside pitches and we might get more consistency in the strike zone.
   13. Urban Faber Posted: May 28, 2005 at 11:42 PM (#1368716)
And let's make the third base coach stand in the box that he's supposed to be in, I don't care if Sheffield is batting.

And 20 seconds between pitches, no more ... sorry Steve Trachsel.

Seriously, they should have a day where they enforce all this #### to the letter. I think it would be interesting.
   14. fables of the deconstruction Posted: May 28, 2005 at 11:56 PM (#1368741)
And 20 seconds between pitches, no more ... sorry Steve Trachsel.

Yeah... Good one UCCF... (with proper apologies to the like minded descendants of Mike Hargrove) Which reminds, no more batter timeouts once they've set up in the batter's box. If the former is enforced there should rarely be need for a batter to call a "T.O." anyway... only in extreme circumstances. Those two themselves would probably cut 10 minutes off most game times.

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trevise :-) ...
   15. Hendry's Wad of Cash (UCCF) Posted: May 28, 2005 at 11:58 PM (#1368747)
Hey, that's not me. But I agree with it.

What happened to the hue and cry about 3 hour games? It's not like they got any shorter. Maybe things did speed up, but the #### #### #### owners stuffed another commercial into every half-inning break and pitching change.
   16. fables of the deconstruction Posted: May 28, 2005 at 11:59 PM (#1368749)
Oops...!

Sorry Urban, that was your quote.


T :-) ...
   17. Greg Pope thinks the Cubs are reeking havoc Posted: May 29, 2005 at 12:08 AM (#1368763)
I hate batter armor more than pretty much anyone (comes from years of watching Biggio hang his Robocop titanium arm out over the opposing batters box). If they enforced the getting out of the way rule -- and if they added a rule that a ball hitting the armor was not a HBP

The problem is that they'd almost have to call it a strike. Even if they enforced the rule as written today there's still no reason for the batter not to try to do it. Those pitches are all balls anyway and it doesn't hurt to take the pitch on the armor.
   18. Hendry's Wad of Cash (UCCF) Posted: May 29, 2005 at 12:18 AM (#1368794)
Don't call it a strike if it isn't. Call it a no pitch, like it never happened. Dead ball, runners return to your bases as needed, and go again.
   19. bibigon Posted: May 29, 2005 at 12:33 AM (#1368823)
Will Caroll says Prior will need three or four weeks at least to heal, plus a month of rehab.

Finally:

There is some chance that Prior's season could be over if the Cubs choose to be cautious.
   20. Hendry's Wad of Cash (UCCF) Posted: May 29, 2005 at 12:39 AM (#1368834)
There is some chance that Prior's season could be over if the Cubs choose to be cautious.

It pains me to say it, but I hope the Cubs are about 15 below .500 when it comes time for Prior's potential return. It might be enough to keep the club from rushing him back into a nonexistent pennant race.
   21. bunyon Posted: May 29, 2005 at 02:07 AM (#1368956)
Don't call it a strike if it isn't. Call it a no pitch, like it never happened. Dead ball, runners return to your bases as needed, and go again.

Just call it a ball and not let runners advance.

Of course, you guys listed five rules in ten minutes that aren't enforced. If we all sat down and thought about it we could list a score more.

Baseball the game is wonderful, but MLB administration is rotten to its very core. Of course, I'm going to keep watching.
   22. NTNgod Posted: May 29, 2005 at 06:12 AM (#1369307)
It doesn't sound - initally at least - that the Cubs are taking the conservative approach with Prior. Depending on your point of view, that's either good or bad.

Chicago Tribune: Cubs feel 'fortunate'

Instead, the Cubs believe it could be only four to six weeks before Prior can get back on the Wrigley Field mound after an MRI showed his elbow had a "non-displaced fracture of the lateral epicondyl."
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"We feel fortunate it's not something that we know we have to shut him down for four to six weeks [for just the fracture]," [said trainer Mark O'Neal].

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