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Wednesday, May 04, 2005

Cubs - DLed Wood

Chicago Cubs - Placed P Kerry Wood on the 15-day DL; recalled P Todd Wellemeyer

The Cubs being the Cubs, the extent of Wood’s injury is an unknown; this is a team that would probably describe John Hiller’s ailment as “minor circulatory ailment, day-to-day” if he had been a Cub.  That they’re actually talking 6 weeks instead of a couple makes me think that Wood being out for the year is a very distinct possibility.  Wood’s automatic option year won’t kick in now; even if Dusty tried, Wood is unlikely to survive long enough to throw 350 innings in 2005.

Wellemeyer is called up.  He had been starting for Iowa, but he’ll be a long reliever again with the Cubs and Ryan Dempster remains in the rotation.  I still don’t get the unhealthy fascination with The Dumpster.  He’s this decade’s Dave Mlicki; a guy who has stuff that everyone raves about but when it’s all said and done, a guy who doesn’t have the hang of that whole pitching thing.

Dan Szymborski Posted: May 04, 2005 at 02:11 PM | 46 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Brandon in MO (Yunitility Infielder) Posted: May 04, 2005 at 02:48 PM (#1310020)
Hi, this entry is all about Kerry Wood, REAL KERRY WOODS. This site is awesome. My name is Robert and I can't stop thinking about Kerry Wood. These guys are cool; and by cool, I mean totally sweet.

Facts:
1. Kerry Wood is a mammal.
2. Kerry Woods pitches ALL the time.
3. The purpose of Kerry Wood is to flip out and get injured.
   2. HMS Moses Taylor Posted: May 04, 2005 at 03:06 PM (#1310060)
I guess by calling up Wellemeyer, that means Rusch is in the rotation (and will probably be starting on Saturday). The Cubs kept talking about a 4-man rotation with all the off days, but they need a 5th starter this weekend.

If they do go back to 4 starters after that, it means there will be 8 guys in the bullpen.

I don't know what to say about Wood anymore, so I won't say anything.
   3. Spahn Insane Posted: May 04, 2005 at 03:11 PM (#1310069)
It was predestined for Rusch to start on Saturday. He is the official starter of the Jack Vincennes/Andere Richtingen ballpark visit.
   4. Spahn Insane Posted: May 04, 2005 at 03:11 PM (#1310071)
The purpose of Corey Patterson is to flip out and get suspended.
   5. Neil M Posted: May 04, 2005 at 03:27 PM (#1310102)
The purpose of Jose Macias is far beyond the grasp of any mere mortal's consciousness.
   6. shoewizard Posted: May 04, 2005 at 03:31 PM (#1310111)
Is patterson going to be suspended for yesterday's tirade?

I heard on another board that the Cubs may try to convert Wood to a closer, ala John Smoltz.

What do you guys think of that idea?
   7. Urban Faber Posted: May 04, 2005 at 03:32 PM (#1310115)
Supposedly Saturday's starter depends on whether Rusch is needed in the bullpen today or tomorrow, but as PD says, they have plenty of bullpen guys.

Great John Hiller comment, Dan. In related news, J.R. Richard will miss one start with a stiff neck.
   8. HMS Moses Taylor Posted: May 04, 2005 at 03:38 PM (#1310134)
I heard on another board that the Cubs may try to convert Wood to a closer, ala John Smoltz.

The Cubs have been denying that rumor for over a year now. It's nothing new, and I don't think there's anything to it.
   9. shoewizard Posted: May 04, 2005 at 03:40 PM (#1310138)
Well, maybe it is something that should be considered.
   10. Urban Faber Posted: May 04, 2005 at 03:45 PM (#1310164)
Only thing is, Wood often has problems with his command early in games, so unless they tell him to just throw fastballs in the ninth, that could be a problem.

And he likely won't be a Cub past next year anyway, based on his contract situation.
   11. shoewizard Posted: May 04, 2005 at 03:55 PM (#1310198)
Only thing is, Wood often has problems with his command early in games, so unless they tell him to just throw fastballs in the ninth, that could be a problem.

Kerry Wood, At bats per walk, by pitch number, (2002-2005 splits, espn)

Pitch 1-15 9.14
Pitch 16-30 6.64
Pitch 31-45 8.39
Pitch 45-60 6.78
Pitch 61-75 8.09
Pitch 76-90 10.07
Pitch 91-105 8.08
Pitch 106-120 9.91

So in the first 15 pitches, his walk rate is pretty low. It is pitch 16-30 that he tends to get wild.

Most one inning saves that are successful are completed in less than 20 innings. So this does not seem like it would be too big a problem. Of course the warm up and preperation routine for a start vs. a relief appearance is completely different, so who knows how it would affect him. But based on the playing record, this does not seem to be an issue.
   12. Larry Bowa Posted: May 04, 2005 at 04:02 PM (#1310226)
Another one bites the Dusty...

How many young arms, Jim, must be sacrificed at the Altar of Dusty Baker, before you realize he has stolen your team's youth and made it old and broken?

Why Cub fans aren't at the gates of Wrigley with pitchforks and torches and demending Hendry and Baker's heads on platters is beyond me. This team will not see the north side of .500 as long as they're both around.
   13. shoewizard Posted: May 04, 2005 at 04:02 PM (#1310228)
Most one inning saves that are successful are completed in less than 20 innings.

uh.....make that 20 pitches. Sorry, I really need to preview comments and edit more often.
   14. Urban Faber Posted: May 04, 2005 at 04:09 PM (#1310254)
Interesting stuff, shoe. I wonder how much of his problem is the breaking pitches he seems to fall in love with.

The other issue is usage ... how often could he or would he have to pitch. Dusty likes to ride those bullpen aces pretty hard, and while it's not a starter workload, it might have the same effect on a guy with a lot of mileage and damage.
   15. Hendry's Wad of Cash (UCCF) Posted: May 04, 2005 at 04:11 PM (#1310271)
And he likely won't be a Cub past next year anyway, based on his contract situation.

Sadly, that's probably true. Unless he's willing to take the buyout and sign a new, incentive-laden contract, he'll never see $10M/yr again (barring a recovery now and CYA-type performance in 2006).

I wonder sometimes how serious all that Wood-for-Teixiera talk was a few years back. Ace pitchers are hard to come by, but with his injury history that would have been awfully tempting.
   16. shoewizard Posted: May 04, 2005 at 04:12 PM (#1310278)
Well, it's certainly not a sure thing. It just seems like something that might be worth a shot. As for the Dusty factor, I don't know what to say. Dusty rides both Starters and relievers hard. Maybe it's not all his fault. Ok...yes it is.
   17. HMS Moses Taylor Posted: May 04, 2005 at 04:13 PM (#1310285)
Why Cub fans aren't at the gates of Wrigley with pitchforks and torches and demending Hendry and Baker's heads on platters is beyond me. This team will not see the north side of .500 as long as they're both around.

Not counting either of their first full seasons, right? You know, the first two back to back winning seasons since a decade before you played there.

I have no problems with Hendry, per se. His biggest weakness is Dusty, and he may have significant pull higher in the organization. They do seem to have a bit of a power struggle thing going on now.
   18. SouthSideRyan Posted: May 04, 2005 at 04:22 PM (#1310330)
How many young arms, Jim, must be sacrificed at the Altar of Dusty Baker, before you realize he has stolen your team's youth and made it old and broken?

Kerry Wood gets injured. It's what he does. I've got a hard time blaming Dusty for this one.
   19. shoewizard Posted: May 04, 2005 at 04:24 PM (#1310343)
Could Baker be fired by the end of this season? Whats the pulse in Chicago on this?

If Cubs end up under .500 and Prior or Zambrano go down at some point, it has to be a pretty strong possibility, right?
   20. HMS Moses Taylor Posted: May 04, 2005 at 04:28 PM (#1310363)
If Cubs end up under .500 and Prior or Zambrano go down at some point, it has to be a pretty strong possibility, right?

It would have to be at least that. Dusty has another year on his contract for about $4mil, so it'll be hard to get the Trib to pay that without him here.

Odds are he'll be back next year, but not re-signed.
   21. Hendry's Wad of Cash (UCCF) Posted: May 04, 2005 at 04:30 PM (#1310375)
Could Baker be fired by the end of this season? Whats the pulse in Chicago on this?

If Cubs end up under .500 and Prior or Zambrano go down at some point, it has to be a pretty strong possibility, right?


The problem is, he (and the team) can always blame it on injuries. If Nomar and Walker and Wood and Borowski &c. hadn't gone down, then the team would have won 98 games, broken the curse, transcended life and become pure energy, yada yada yada.

I said before the beginning of the year that I'd rather see this team win 65 games than 85, and I stick by it. At 65 wins, there's a chance he's fired. At 85, there's no chance -- but no chance for the playoffs either.
   22. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: May 04, 2005 at 04:35 PM (#1310397)
Criticism of Dusty was verboten the last two seasons but it's starting to crop up in the Chicago media more and more. I don't think they're anywhere near a firing and it would take something like a sub .500 season before they let him go.

Apparently wildness isn't his problem early in games, it's general effectiveness. His worst OPS's against are in the first inning and pitches 1-15.
   23. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: May 04, 2005 at 04:36 PM (#1310406)
Second paragraph was in reference to Wood.
   24. shoewizard Posted: May 04, 2005 at 04:39 PM (#1310424)
Well noted POPS...I should have noted that as well.
   25. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: May 04, 2005 at 04:40 PM (#1310427)
argh more injuires, i hate dusty
   26. Loren F. Posted: May 04, 2005 at 04:45 PM (#1310435)
Turning Woods into a reliever might work. And if he put up Gagne/Smoltz type numbers as a reliever, he might see $10M/year again.
   27. shoewizard Posted: May 04, 2005 at 04:49 PM (#1310450)
Turning Woods into a reliever might work.

Is he done with Golf?
   28. Jes Golbez Posted: May 04, 2005 at 05:49 PM (#1310634)
Larry,

Is there any manager who could have 'saved' Wood's arm? If you believe conventional wisdom, Kerry's throwing style was bound to lead to arm trouble no matter who was managing him.

Wood could probably make a very effective closer ala herky toe-tapping Rob Nen. Throwing fewer pitches could allow him to amp up the velocity...of course, it's also not the best use of resources...
   29. greenback calls it soccer Posted: May 04, 2005 at 05:49 PM (#1310636)
Is he done with Golf?

Maybe the Cubs should trade him to Detroit for Urbina. Then he'd be the Tiger Wood.
   30. HMS Moses Taylor Posted: May 04, 2005 at 06:10 PM (#1310695)
<style was bound to lead to arm trouble no matter who was managing him. </i>

Good question. I don't think anyone can answer it. Maybe no one could have. It all starts in high school baseball and how pitchers are used then.
   31. Fred Garvin is dead to Mug Posted: May 04, 2005 at 06:15 PM (#1310712)
Wood could probably make a very effective closer ala herky toe-tapping Rob Nen.

Yeah, just what our bullpen needs -- a guy who throws hard, but can't find the plate with a map and a 5 minute head start. Dempster, Wellemeyer, Leicester, and Farnsworth aren't/weren't like that at all.
   32. Athletic Supporter can feel the slow rot Posted: May 04, 2005 at 06:57 PM (#1310836)
Pitch 1-15 9.14
Pitch 16-30 6.64
Pitch 31-45 8.39
Pitch 45-60 6.78
Pitch 61-75 8.09
Pitch 76-90 10.07
Pitch 91-105 8.08
Pitch 106-120 9.91

So in the first 15 pitches, his walk rate is pretty low. It is pitch 16-30 that he tends to get wild.


Isn't there a bias here? I mean, clearly in pitches 1-3 he never walks anyone, etc..
   33. H. Vaughn Posted: May 04, 2005 at 07:23 PM (#1310898)
There's plenty of blame to go around: Wood was brought up too early from a minor league system that wasn't instructionally sound. His early success reinforced his stubbornness in refusing to change his approach. It took a catastrophic injury to get him to 86 a breaking pitch that was the equivalent of shoving his elbow and shoulder into a bark chipper. He was overworked in several outings in '98 and '03.

And maybe its nobody's fault: He's thrown over a thousand big league innings over six + years, and maybe that's all he had in him.
   34. Spahn Insane Posted: May 04, 2005 at 07:27 PM (#1310903)
So--according to the tribune, Rothschild's going to study film of Wood's delivery, to determine whether there's a mechanical flaw that's contributing to his frequent injuries.

I'll let the Cub Reporter's response to this stand on its own.
   35. Fred Garvin is dead to Mug Posted: May 04, 2005 at 07:50 PM (#1310964)
It would have to be at least that. Dusty has another year on his contract for about $4mil, so it'll be hard to get the Trib to pay that without him here.

Odds are he'll be back next year, but not re-signed.


For the reasons il PDaddy states, I'd be stunned if Dusty was fired at the end of this year. Even if the team wins 65 games, the party line will be that it is unfair to judge Dusty with all these injuries (as if he didn't have anything to do with causing them).

The real question will be what happens next year. If the team is below .500 next year, with or without injuries, I think Dusty either gets the mid-season axe or, more likely, the Cubs look elsewhere at the end of the year.
   36. Fred Garvin is dead to Mug Posted: May 04, 2005 at 08:02 PM (#1311003)
Kerry Wood, At bats per walk, by pitch number, (2002-2005 splits, espn)

Pitch 1-15 9.14
Pitch 16-30 6.64
Pitch 31-45 8.39
Pitch 45-60 6.78
Pitch 61-75 8.09
Pitch 76-90 10.07
Pitch 91-105 8.08
Pitch 106-120 9.91


I'm not really sure how to read this. Yes, I see the conclusion that he is more wild in pitches 16-30 (and in 45-60) than in other pitches.

One problem, though, is that Wood is likely to rack up 15 pitches in just a few hitters. If he were to be a closer, for instance, I suppose that means he might walk an average of somewhere in the neighborhood of 1 per 9ABs -- (depending on how many pitches per appearance), but so what?

My clouded thinking would prefer seeing a breakdown by pitch count not of AB/BB, but of BB/9 -- if he walks 4.5/9IP for Pitches 1-20 (perhaps a typical closer outing), it isn't a good sign and may be worse than what they have now.
   37. Fred Garvin is dead to Mug Posted: May 04, 2005 at 08:04 PM (#1311005)
AS has a good point in Post #32 as well.
   38. Chief Posted: May 04, 2005 at 08:32 PM (#1311070)
It would have to be at least that. Dusty has another year on his contract for about $4mil, so it'll be hard to get the Trib to pay that without him here.

Odds are he'll be back next year, but not re-signed.


I don't know. There's often a lot of pressure to extend a manager's contract before his lameduck year. If Dusty's a big enough pain about getting an extension, or if the Cubs simply don't want to run the risk that a successful 2006 campaign ties their hands, they may be willing to fork over the $4M.

If he's not extended, I think he'll get the mid-season axe next year.
   39. HMS Moses Taylor Posted: May 04, 2005 at 08:40 PM (#1311099)
Anyone seen this?

It's awesome.
   40. Fred Garvin is dead to Mug Posted: May 04, 2005 at 08:45 PM (#1311112)
There's often a lot of pressure to extend a manager's contract before his lameduck year. If Dusty's a big enough pain about getting an extension, or if the Cubs simply don't want to run the risk that a successful 2006 campaign ties their hands, they may be willing to fork over the $4M.

That depends on this year. If the Cubs win 85 games (whether or not they make the playoffs), I agree that there will be a push to extend Dusty beyone 2006. If they win less than 80, however, I can't see Dusty having the stones to demand a contract extension.

Heck, if they really stink, I can see Hendry getting the axe too.
   41. Urban Faber Posted: May 04, 2005 at 08:48 PM (#1311125)
PD, I don't see Macias' name in there (#39) anywhere. Or is it just assumed he's in the lineup?
   42. Fred Garvin is dead to Mug Posted: May 04, 2005 at 08:52 PM (#1311139)
That is great, ilP-D. First time I tried, I tied 7-7. I redid it, making the opposite choices, and won 7-3, so I'm guessing it didn't like my true choices.

Stupid computer.
   43. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: May 04, 2005 at 08:56 PM (#1311152)
the game is fun but i thoiught you were supposed to manage like dusty so i lost the first game
   44. Urban Faber Posted: May 04, 2005 at 09:02 PM (#1311172)
I did the same thing as Meat ...
   45. North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan Posted: May 05, 2005 at 02:12 AM (#1312457)
I won 10-3 by not managing like Dusty, but then I realized that it was Dusty managing and Schmidt was the opposing pitcher, so I played again and promptly lost 11-3.
   46. WillieMays Haze Posted: May 05, 2005 at 02:34 AM (#1312560)
Anyone seen this?

It's awesome.


That is cool. I won 10-9. I made some stupid Dusty-like decisions that led to a whole lot of runs.

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