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DET E.Munson DH 4 1 2 1 .290 - hasn't played 3B for awhile
Not that I think they shouldn't waive Paquette, they should. In fact, they never should have signed him to the platoon brigade a couple years ago. But watch, he'll go the national league and hit .300. Guaranteed.
Sad thing is, Pena is best Tiger (or at least the one with the most upside for you members of the Bobby Higginson fan club)
The Tigers are so far in the hole right now that even if they wanted to play a bunch of veterans and have a typical Orioles finish of 70-75 wins that reflected absolutely no long-term planning, they couldn't do it at this point.
Here's hoping he pans out.
Noochie put up some decent numbers in Double A this year, but I don't know what his age is compared to the others in the league. He isn't putting up better numbers than someone like Cody Ross did last year or Eric Munson the year before. Knowing Dombrowski, he's probably a good athlete and not a great baseball player. He looks like an Alex Sanchez type player...only two years away from the big leagues whereas Sanchez can play right now.
We shall see if these guys ever pan out. It's obvious they weren't too high on the Tigers' list.
I wouldn't necessarily call this a "win" for the Brewers.
But semi-seriously, I think folks are overstating Sanchez's ML accomplishments (which they're acknowledging are minor). Sanchez's ML track record is essentially 400 PA when he put up a 701 OPS; Kingsale's ML track record is essentially 240 PA in which he put up an OPS of 734. This year they both stink, though Sanchez less so.
Well, the Tigers still have Nook Logan. I know, it's no Noochie. But time will tell for the Tigers whether Sanchez and the replacement-level "k" will be enough to offset the loss of the "chie".
I know that ML players pensions vest the first day they spend on a 25 man roster (right?). I wonder how much a player like Lennon (6 seasons, 200+ PAs) will draw per month. For that matter, how much would a pension be for a guy who spend one day on a roster?
Sorry for the hijack.
--I know virtually nothing about Pat Lennon, so I'm trying not to have any preconceived notions, but what is the basis for the assertion that it was "trumped-up"? According to the artilce jwb pointed to, Lennon "landed in jail for two months back in 1989 while with a Double A team, after firing a handgun into the air during an altercation between a teammate and a local resident," and "was charged with reckless endangerment and illegal possession of a firearm."
Again, I know nothing about the incident or of Lennon, but this doesn't sound trumped-up to me. Can someone enlighten me?
FWIW, the same day the Indians signed Wright, they picked up OF Brant Brown, P Rafael Betancourt, and P Paul Rigdon. Betancourt is ripping it up on Akron as a minor-league reliever, but the other two guys? eh. Trade 'em to the Tigers if they're still around.
Good memory by the Oracle of Wright's 5-out performance in his first 2 ABs. That all came in one game, his first and only ML game ever. Has he ever put up a great minor-league stretch since his back problems? He did get a long look in Mariners spring training that year (2002), where it was determined he belonged in AAA.
They are now tied for the worst 80 game start ever.
That said - Go Ben Patrick!
Same goes for Mogul 2004 having years where Chris Woodward hit 50 HRs, where Greg Norton hit alot of home runs, where Jeff Francoeur hit 75 home runs (to tie the record)
Mogul also had Bellhorn hitting 80 home runs in one year.
What are some of the weirder sim projections you've seen?
Great stuff...
This is only good if Dombrowski can pawn him off in July to a contending team in search of a "proven veteran". Unlikely.
I think there is some kind of math error here.
Actually, I can believe it. I checked the math, and assuming Vina hits around 2 SF then he would have to get plunked about 18 times to have a .327 OBP. And, what do you know, he has topped that many HBPs in 4 of his 5 full seasons. Morris doesn't get plunked nearly as often (7 times in a 1500-AB career).
Kind of weird, though.
But funny.
I'll repeat:
It got to the point where I wouldn't even watch the beginnings of the games you were starting. I'd just expect to be able to turn it on in the 5th, find the Cubs down 6-2, and see someone from the bullpen in trying to clean up your mess.
Yah Hoo! We're rollin' now... NOT!
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He's like a lot of mediocre players, pitchers in particular; when he's going well - feeling 100% healthy, the mechanics are working, he's getting some calls on the corners - he's damn tough. His fastball tails just enough, his command is just good enough, and his offspeed arsenal is just varied enough to get guys out.
The problem is that he gets derailed easily and has trouble getting himself into another good groove, producing lapses of 4 or 5 awful starts. Nobody cares I'm sure, but after watching him pitch as many games as I have I can at least throw a few words onto primer about him, right?
AMF Jason, good luck in motown.
And why two years? because it will be at least two years before any of their prospects are ready for the majors. White, Vina, Johnson are all stop gap players before any of Detroit's future players can take the field.
While this isn't a great signing, it's an improvement over what they had. It allows them to give guys like Ledezma and Roney a year in the minors to work on their stuff and other guys like Sleeth, Baugh, Zumaya and Connelly a couple seasons of work before they come up.
As far as overpaying, that's relative. By "overpaying" Johnson, who are they preventing themselves from having the budget to sign? Guerrero? Rodriguez? Tejada? Maddox? None of those players would come to Detroit without a 20 mil a year contract. And even then they might not come. Guerrero and Maddox told the Tigers to not even bother calling. Aurilia has shown little interest. Tejada told them to start the bidding at 7 years 102 mil. The Tigers WILL spend the money, but no one will take it right now.
Unfortunately, Johnson is the best they can do at the moment. They will just have to ride out a couple more bad seasons and hope the kids develop.
Either that or hope the weather in Detroit turns tropical and the state cancels its income tax. Heck, NATIONAL LEAGUE players voted Detroit the worst city to visit...and they never play there!
2) Because he's decent.
3) Because you'll probably need him next year. Who knows what the market will be like next season? Not so much in terms of $$$ but in terms of talent. I know Johnson isn't a world beater but he's an ok starter. maybe next season the Tigers get Hentgen-ed again and not even average pitchers will sign here?
4) Because he might not have signed here without a guarantee of a second year.
If you look at the deal in a vacuum, without considering the Tigers position, I agree that it looks a little silly. But remember, these are the Tigers. The same Tigers who couldn't overpay Pat Hentgen or any other pitcher. I don't think it's a bad deal for them considering the state of their farm system and the fact they have money to burn.
The Johnsons, Whites and Vinas of the baseball world will not make the Tigers contenders (i.e. a .500 team in the AL Central), but they will improve this team,
Don't be so sure. If ZIPs is close to right, Johnson is little if any improvement over the Tigers 2003 starters.
Vina is done. I looked at this in another thread, and I don't usually put much stock in similarity scores, but of Vina's 10 most similar through age 34, 4 had no PA after age 34 and another 4 had fewer than 350 PA after age 34. One of the remaining two was Ski Melillo, who somehow managed another 3 seasons totalling over 900 PA despite his OPS+'s of 59, 39, and 49. The only success story is Jim Gantner, who played 5 more years with an OPS+ around 83. (Note one reason I don't put much stock in sim scores is that they don't adjust for era. But that hurts Vina here because he's in the high offense era but has numbers similar to low-offense 2Bs of the past.)
Anyway, Vina's a real possibility for a line like 250/300/320, while being injured a lot.
Rondell White is a good player when healthy and I'll grant that move improved the Tigers. Assuming Higginson really isn't this bad and that Pena shows some improvement, the Tigers offense should be a little better. Of course, Young won't hit like that again and they may be dragging Vina's carcass around all year.
If Johnson is, say, 7-7 w/3.90 ERA on July 30th, he might garner a prospect from a dumber team.
Anyone want to wager that a Tiger pitcher with at least 10 starts will have a .500 record? :-)
Seriously, this is where the 2nd guaranteed year will hurt the Tigers. Let's say Johnson is a trade target come July. Whoever gets Johnson will be responsible for about $5 M in salary. It seems rather unlikely that the Tigers would get much of a prospect in return in that situation. Now if he's pitching decently in 2005, they might be able to move him for something pretty good.
You know all those times when the planets aligned properly and Johnson turned in a respectable outing? Check out these lines against AL East teams over the last three seasons:
vs. BOS -- 11 GS, 66.1 IP, 3.80 ERA
That said, I still think he's a sensible addition for a team in a bad situation, and I like him a lot more than the Vina signing.
ZIPs not withstanding, a pitcher who put up a league average ERA over the course of the past 3 season can't help but improve Detroit. The 2003 Tigers put up a collective 5.30 ERA, with 2 of their top 5 starters over 6.00 & 2 others over 5.50.
Have the Tigers tried to stock their team with flyball pitchers? (other than Jose Lima)
You all make it seem like these guys will be starting. Relax, poindexters. Norton is a possible back up to Munson at 3d or pinch hitter. Estallela starts at Triple A and is an insurance policy if they don't get Pudge. Both will not be ahead of Chris Shelton.
The others are stictly bench players and will probably be at Triple-A.
Where is this talk of them starting coming from?
Why do some people feel they have to say something negative about everything? How are these bad moves? Who do they block? Who should they have signed?
I mean, it worked once...
Sadly enough, that could keep them in contention in the horrific AL Central much of the year.
(I reserve the right to retract this statement if the Cubs choose to sit on the money and watch Houston win the division by 1 game this season).
I'm guessing the Chicago teams dominated.
Maroth's k/9 ratio is horrible
Bonderman's is below average
Cornejo's k/9 sucks
basically these guys won't last long in the majors.
Sorry Tigers fans
Estalella and his tats jumped to AZ Diamondbacks camp when Pudge came on board....
Greg Norton is the Last Tiger Standing ... for now!
Part of the skepticism about him may also come from his checkered injury history, though he's been more healthy in recent times.
He's 25, never been a LOOGY (unless all relievers who are lefthanded are LOOGYs in the new terminology), good K/9 (but shaky control), and seems to keep the ball in the yard (1 HR in 47.2 IP at Las Vegas).
Frank Brooks is older than Steve Colyer.
That being said, unless the ptbnl is somebody good, as a Dodger fan I'm pleased. Ross' obp isn't particularly good, but his power at age 22 in the IL last season was pretty nice.
1. Dmitri Young
However, I don't like trading him straight up for a LOOGY. Especially a LOOGY with control problems.
Oh well, at least they kept Chris Shelton on the roster instead of DiFelice.
And I've read that the PTBNL is just cash. Which, if true, makes this even worse.
But yeah, the PTBNL apparently will either be a minor prospect, or cash. Which pleases me as a Dodger fan.
2003-MLB(19.2 IP)
Smitherman, Ross, Jonny Gomes.
I think I'd put them in the order I have listed, but they seem too close to call at this stage.
Incidentally, afaict the reason that Dodger Stadium suppresses doubles is the lack of foul ground once you get much past first or third base. The way the walls angle in they actually funnel balls hit down the line back towards the outfielders. Doubles to the gap in other stadiums would still be doubles in DS.
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