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Monday, April 07, 2008

Diamondbacks - Signed Young

Arizona Diamondbacks - Signed CF Chris Young to a 5-year contract believed to be worth $30 million.

The free agent market continues to mature - whereas teams have really gotten the hang of non-tendering arbitration-eligible players that aren’t even worth the club’s number, they’re now generally getting more aggressive at locking up the players they want to keep while they still have the most leverage.  I think it’s going to be awhile until we start seeing successfully turning their teams around in the free agent market, at least until the pendulum swings the other way and teams start overvaluing their young players and undervaluing free agents.

Young’s 2007 was a mild disappointment, but he was playing below his talent level that both stats and scouts agreed he had.  With solid defense, Young’s a major star if he hits .280 and even hitting .230, he should bring enough power and defense to be a net positive for $5 million a year.  Thumbs up.  These types of deals, even when they go bad, are almost never crippling.

ZiPS Projection - Chris Young
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          AB   R   H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB   BA   OBP   SLG
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Year-to-Date 23   7   5   2 0   3   4   7   9   2 .217 .400 .696  
Rest-of-Yr?  548 81 134 32 3 30 96 52 123 23 .245 .317 .478
Proj. 2008   571 88 139 34 3 33 100 59 132 25 .243 .321 .487
————————————————————————————————————
2009?      566 86 135 31 2 35 105 53 149 26 .239 .308 .486
2010?      555 87 134 34 2 35 104 58 141 24 .241 .317 .499
2011?      555 88 134 32 2 36 105 59 149 25 .241 .318 .501
2012?      559 89 137 33 2 37 108 60 148 24 .245 .322 .510
2013?      547 86 134 32 1 36 105 57 145 22 .245 .320 .505
————————————————————————————————————
Top Offensive Comps: Andruw Jones, Preston Wilson

 

 

Dan Szymborski Posted: April 07, 2008 at 10:27 PM | 77 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Drexl Spivey Posted: April 08, 2008 at 03:56 AM (#2734521)
I like the signing. He reminds me of Dwayne Murphy, only with a higher ceiling.
   2. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: April 08, 2008 at 04:20 AM (#2734531)
He reminds me of Mike Cameron, Vernon Wells, Adam Jones, Mario van Peebles, Denzel Washington, Barack Obama and Frederick Douglass. Personally.
   3. Cabbage Posted: April 08, 2008 at 04:33 AM (#2734534)
How soon before a team locks up a hot prospect to a big extension before he hits the big leagues? It would have to be a situation like the Brewers with Ryan Braun. That is, an older, hot hitting prospect who the team is obviously keeping down to hold off the arb clock.

I imagine it will have to be a mature, and level-headed kind of player who the team could go to and say, "Look, we both know why your still in AAA. why don't we cut the crap. We'll bring you up right now if you'll sign a long-term deal and give us what we'd be saving by keeping you in AAA until June."
   4. stealfirstbase Posted: April 08, 2008 at 04:56 AM (#2734546)
I imagine it will have to be a mature, and level-headed kind of player who the team could go to and say, "Look, we both know why your still in AAA. why don't we cut the crap. We'll bring you up right now if you'll sign a long-term deal and give us what we'd be saving by keeping you in AAA until June."

That'd be cool. Heck, it could work for Longoria right now.
   5. Charter Member of the Jesus Melendez Fanclub Posted: April 08, 2008 at 04:59 AM (#2734548)
I don't know, he seems more like a Torii Hunter/Jimmy Wynn/Larry Doby/Eldridge Cleaver/Nat X type to me.
   6. Charter Member of the Jesus Melendez Fanclub Posted: April 08, 2008 at 05:01 AM (#2734550)
How soon before a team locks up a hot prospect to a big extension before he hits the big leagues?

I think we can guarantee that before long, a contract of this type would become the most embarrassing ever. More than Wayne Garland, Mike Hampton, whoever.
   7. NTNgod Posted: April 08, 2008 at 05:11 AM (#2734555)
It would have to be a situation like the Brewers with Ryan Braun. That is, an older, hot hitting prospect who the team is obviously keeping down to hold off the arb clock.
Ehh? Braun didn't make the Brewers out of ST last season because he was horrible defensively - he was throwing balls away like Steve Sax. At AAA, after his demotion, he only made like two errors or so in a month and half. (I was checking the boxscores every game for the fielding stats)

old BTF thread when he was sent down
   8. Drexl Spivey Posted: April 08, 2008 at 05:16 AM (#2734559)
You guys are right. I should have thought of a white center fielder with a low average/good power/great defense/high walk rate guy to compare Young to. Comparing him to Murphy is obviously racist.

(I do realize that the comparison might be based partially on race, but don't tell me that Murphy doesn't seem like a good comparison for Young).
   9. Charter Member of the Jesus Melendez Fanclub Posted: April 08, 2008 at 05:23 AM (#2734561)
Relax kikko, it's just a BTF trope at this point. No one's dogging you specifically.
   10. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: April 08, 2008 at 05:43 AM (#2734572)
You guys are right. I should have thought of a white center fielder with a low average/good power/great defense/high walk rate guy to compare Young to. Comparing him to Murphy is obviously racist.

It's just a joke. It wasn't meant to be pointed, really. Just an old saw.

Also, Dwayne Murphy had no power. At least if he's this dude.
   11. NTNgod Posted: April 08, 2008 at 05:50 AM (#2734573)
Also, Dwayne Murphy had no power. At least if he's this dude.

I'm assuming this is another joke...?
   12. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: April 08, 2008 at 05:51 AM (#2734574)
And of course I misread his stat sheet and you should disregard the what I just said about Dwayne Murphy.
   13. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: April 08, 2008 at 05:51 AM (#2734575)
I knew if I waited long enough someone would have beat me to the punch.
   14. Drexl Spivey Posted: April 08, 2008 at 05:56 AM (#2734578)
"It's just a joke. It wasn't meant to be pointed, really. Just an old saw".

I'm sorry. I'm new to this site, and I've read that the people over here are ruthless, overly-cynical, and pretentious, so I jumped to a conclusion that I shouldn't have.
   15. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: April 08, 2008 at 05:59 AM (#2734580)
I've read that the people over here are ruthless, overly-cynical, and pretentious

Oh, that's sometimes true as well.
   16. Charter Member of the Jesus Melendez Fanclub Posted: April 08, 2008 at 06:05 AM (#2734581)
I'm new to this site

In which case, well-done for catching on to the joke so quickly. I'm sure you'll do well here.
   17. bibigon Posted: April 08, 2008 at 06:05 AM (#2734582)
How soon before a team locks up a hot prospect to a big extension before he hits the big leagues?


If I recall, there were rumors that the Devil Rays were negotiating with BJ Upton for like a 10 year deal back when it was neck and neck between him and David Wright for who was the best prospect in the game.
   18. Padraic Posted: April 08, 2008 at 02:21 PM (#2734692)
Should there be concerns about all those low BA totals? I mean, I know most people probably skip it on the way to OBP and SLG, but how many players have been able to retain their productivity while hitting under .250 year after year?
   19. Golfing Great Mitch Cumstein Posted: April 08, 2008 at 02:44 PM (#2734708)
Should there be concerns about all those low BA totals? I mean, I know most people probably skip it on the way to OBP and SLG, but how many players have been able to retain their productivity while hitting under .250 year after year?

Darrell Evans, Jack Clark, Rob Deer, Dave Kingman,
Mickey Tettleton all finished their careers with OPS+ >100 and Clark had the highest career BA at .267.

Of course, they are white so you cannot compare Chris Young to them.
   20. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: April 08, 2008 at 02:45 PM (#2734711)
He is Mike Cameron in every way possible. Other than he gets to hit in a hitters park while Cameron seemingly hit in every pitchers park in MLB.
   21. Padraic Posted: April 08, 2008 at 02:59 PM (#2734721)
Thanks GGMC. I wouldn't count Clark in that group (he was a solid 270-280 when he was young), but the others (especially Evans) are not bad comps.

Before looking at those players, I would have guessed they would have had to able to stay around .260 early in their careers, but not true. And while OPS+ is a bad stat to measure the value of guys whose value is tied up almost entirely in the SLG component, those four were able to stay productive with weak BAs.
   22. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: April 08, 2008 at 03:14 PM (#2734732)
They don't have anything other than power and a sub-.250 average in common, but Adam Dunn also meets the qualifications (.248 in 4100 career PA).
   23. Golfing Great Mitch Cumstein Posted: April 08, 2008 at 03:54 PM (#2734762)
Those players also could take a walk (to varying degrees) to make up for the low average, like Young is projected.
   24. Walt Davis Posted: April 08, 2008 at 08:03 PM (#2735368)
but how many players have been able to retain their productivity while hitting under .250 year after year?

Although it's a relatively rare combination, you can get away with this profile much better if you play a plus defensive position. It's hard to be hugely productive offensively with this profile unless you have prodigious power. But if you play CF or MI or C or even 3B, then this level of production is average or better. Some better comps for Young then might be Jose Valentin, Mark Bellhorn (the downside), Cameron (as already mentioned), Andruw Jones (as ZiPS notes), and maybe the upside is Jimmy Wynn. Bellhorn-Valentin-Cameron would be roughly slightly below to slightly above-average for a CF but would be clearly below-average at a corner. Jones' bat would make him an average corner, but a plus CF (and then great defense). Wynn's bat could have played anywhere (128 OPS+) but again was huge in CF in his prime.

So, as long as Young can play an average or better CF, he should be an average or better CF and there's no reason to think that won't be the case for the length of this contract. His chances of developing enough as a hitter to play elsewhere later in his career are probably pretty slim.
   25. Mike Emeigh Posted: April 08, 2008 at 08:23 PM (#2735444)
I think the ZiPS comps for Young define the range of probabilities - he could develop like Andruw, or wind up more like Preston Wilson - who wasn't actually a BAD player, mind you.

-- MWE
   26. Mike Green Posted: April 08, 2008 at 08:47 PM (#2735524)
I don't know that I would put a young player with significant contact issues in the leadoff spot. It worked with Bobby Bonds, but he was drawing walks from the outset.
   27. Golfing Great Mitch Cumstein Posted: April 08, 2008 at 11:13 PM (#2735733)
Is there a bio of Booby Bonds? I read Pearlman's book about Barry, in which the writer ripped Bobby for all sorts of things, but especially his drinking. Looking at Bobby Bond's stats, I am stunned that he could produce the way he did.
   28. Dan Szymborski Posted: April 08, 2008 at 11:33 PM (#2735751)
I think the ZiPS comps for Young define the range of probabilities - he could develop like Andruw, or wind up more like Preston Wilson - who wasn't actually a BAD player, mind you.

Yeah, if Young only ends up being Preston Wilson offensively, it'll be disappointing, but it won't hurt the Diamondbacks - 105-115 OPS+ a year with very good defense in center is worth a lot more than $6 million right now.
   29. shoewizard Posted: April 09, 2008 at 12:09 AM (#2735802)
I posted this in the news thread, but figured it should be here as well

Contract Details:

28 Million guaranteed for 5 years through 2013, buying out 3 arb years and a year of free agency, with an option for a second year of free agency , 2014, which if exercised would make the deal worth 37.5 million

He is making 406,000 in 2008.

He will receive a 1 Mil signing bonus

2009- 1.75
2010- 3.25
2011- 5.00
2012- 7.00
2013- 8.50
2014-11.00 * Option or 1.5 Million buyout

So the deal looks even better than originally thought.

I'll take the over on the projected walks and OBP too.
   30. 1k5v3L Posted: April 09, 2008 at 10:30 AM (#2736079)
He is Mike Cameron in every way possible. Other than he gets to hit in a hitters park while Cameron seemingly hit in every pitchers park in MLB.
blah blah blah blabbity blah
   31. shoewizard Posted: April 09, 2008 at 04:37 PM (#2736315)
Nice night for Young on his contract day

0-6, with 10 LOB
   32. Voros McCracken of Pinkus Posted: April 12, 2008 at 10:10 AM (#2740544)
Chris Young reminds me of Verne Troyer. Either Troyer or Go Mifune.
   33. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: April 12, 2008 at 12:49 PM (#2740555)
Apparently I insulted dipshitski by comparing one of Arizona's young players to a guy who has been a good major leaguer for over a decade.
   34. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: April 29, 2008 at 11:27 PM (#2763044)
Chris Young is more of a Barry Bonds style player, BLB. It's an insult to compare him to Mike Cameron. Look at him closely, his skin is not nearly as dark as Cameron's.
   35. shoewizard Posted: July 17, 2008 at 05:04 PM (#2862260)
Thought in the interest of balance, since I had good things to say about this extension and Young's future, I should bump this thread as well:

On the day he signed the extension he was hitting .259/.429/.778 1.207 thru the first week of the season. He had 8 walks and 9 K's thru 35 PA's.

Ooops.

His season line currently stands at 418 PA's .228/.296/.401 .696 OPS 36 BB, 95 K's , 78 OPS+. He leads the NL in outs and has completely stopped running (5 sb, 2 cs)

He's been beyond bad.....when he's not striking out, he is second in the majors with nearly a 18% IF/F rate and a low line drive rate as well. Nothing flukey about his .269 BABIP, and very tough to imagine a large improvement over the second half of this year.
   36. 1k5v3L Posted: July 17, 2008 at 05:17 PM (#2862281)
Re-posting a post of mine here

I think I have my answer to the talent evaluation methodologies used by the Dbacks front office to decide on extensions

$ = (5*K + 3.7*IFF + 1.34*SB)/(OBP^7 + RC27^2)

Explains the EByrnes and CYoung extensions...

By this logic, I suspect we'll be seeing a 4 year deal for CBurke shortly
   37. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: July 17, 2008 at 05:20 PM (#2862283)
blah blah blah blabbity blah
   38. 1k5v3L Posted: July 17, 2008 at 05:23 PM (#2862288)
blah blah blah blabbity blah
Exactly. We Dbacks fans hope he'll be as good as Mike Cameron one day. So your post was just a fanboyish fantasy. Take those to your basement
   39. Kyle S at work Posted: July 17, 2008 at 05:23 PM (#2862290)
So glad I was outbid in my auction. I believed PECOTA.
   40. 1k5v3L Posted: July 17, 2008 at 05:28 PM (#2862297)
Oh, he's still in the range of the PECOTA projection. Something like the 10 percentile
   41. shoewizard Posted: July 17, 2008 at 05:35 PM (#2862302)
I did the following PRI search yesterday:

Spanning Multiple Seasons or entire Careers, From 1973 to 2008, From Age 23 to 25, Bats RH, Played 50% of games at CF, (requiring PA>=900, HR>=20, OPSp>=80, OPSp<=90, and At least 900 plate appearances), sorted by greatest OPSp

I was intentionally limiting.....I didn't want to go back too far, to keep it in a modern context, so I picked DH era forward. I was trying to keep it in a range of Young's age, (he's 24) so I went 23-25. I wanted it to be RH Centerfielders, that got a similar amount of playing time as Young has during that age range.

Results

(And no...I wasn't trying to rig it so only African American players showed up)

Short list, not surprisingly. And guess who is on it?
   42. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: July 17, 2008 at 05:36 PM (#2862304)
Is their something about arb-buyout deals for $30M?

Didn't Cano sign for $30M too?
   43. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: July 17, 2008 at 05:44 PM (#2862315)
shoewiz's PI shows him with some good ballplayers.
   44. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: July 17, 2008 at 05:49 PM (#2862321)
I think Young's BB-Ref page sponsor cursed him.
   45. Mike Emeigh Posted: July 17, 2008 at 05:51 PM (#2862323)
I would have guessed Cameron, since I think that's the most appropriate comp for Young in terms of skill set.

-- MWE
   46. 1k5v3L Posted: July 17, 2008 at 05:52 PM (#2862324)
43: yes, I think the Dbacks would be happy if they get a Hunter/Cameron career out of CY
   47. 1k5v3L Posted: July 17, 2008 at 05:54 PM (#2862326)
Emeigh, BLB, just for the record, I agree with the Cameron comp. My post above (30) wasn't meant as a disagreement; I was just tired of everybody bringing up Cameron in discussion of CY... as valid as that comp might be... I mean, no one brings up Mantle. Is that too much to ask for?
   48. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: July 17, 2008 at 06:00 PM (#2862330)
Is CY is smooth in the outfield as Cameron in his prime? Because, damn, Mike Cameron was great out there.
   49. 1k5v3L Posted: July 17, 2008 at 06:04 PM (#2862333)
CY has been better defensively this year. His arm is weak but he's much more consistent out there
   50. Mike Emeigh Posted: July 17, 2008 at 06:06 PM (#2862339)
no one brings up Mantle. Is that too much to ask for?


Yes.

-- MWE
   51. 1k5v3L Posted: July 17, 2008 at 06:09 PM (#2862345)
Sigh. Cameron it is.
   52. Cris E Posted: July 17, 2008 at 07:25 PM (#2862448)
Of course, they are white so you cannot compare Chris Young to them.

But the name Chris Young sounds white, so it's OK.
   53. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: July 17, 2008 at 07:29 PM (#2862458)
Of course, they are white so you cannot compare Chris Young to them.

Or the fact that Cameron and Chris Young play above average CF with that hitting profile while those other dudes listed are defensively challenged mopes.
   54. Danny Posted: July 17, 2008 at 07:31 PM (#2862461)
Why did he stop stealing bases?
   55. shoewizard Posted: July 17, 2008 at 07:40 PM (#2862474)
Because he is so worried about getting the perfect situation......based on pitcher times to plate, catchers release time..etc etc..his head is so full of that stopwatch stuff that he's just not reacting. If you watch a D back game and happen to catch one of the rare moments he's on first base, watch how he is always leaning back towards first as the pitcher goes to the plate. He's completely lost his confidence.
   56. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: July 17, 2008 at 07:42 PM (#2862479)
Sigh. Cameron it is.

You guys are joke complaining, right?
   57. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: July 17, 2008 at 07:49 PM (#2862491)
You guys are joke complaining, right?

If my team had a CF hit 32 jacks as a 23 year old, I would also hope for him to turn out better than Cameron, and grudgingly accept it if he "only" turns into Cameron.
   58. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: July 17, 2008 at 07:53 PM (#2862496)
If my team had a CF hit 32 jacks as a 23 year old, I would also hope for him to turn out better than Cameron, and grudgingly accept it if he "only" turns into Cameron.

Sheeeeeeeeyit. I'm just hoping Travis Buck can turn into Lee Mazzilli.

Seriously, a lot of rooks have hit a bunch of home runs early in their careers and then morphed into nobodies. If Chris Young has Mike Cameron's career, he doesn't need to apologize for anything and the D-Backs have nothing to complain about. Anything more than that is gravy.
   59. PreservedFish Posted: July 17, 2008 at 08:05 PM (#2862509)
I did my own PI. This thing is fun.

OPS+ between 80 and 100, 100+ Ks, 40+ BBs, single seasons 22-25 at CF, AVG less than .270

The guys with more than 20 HR are:

Andruw Jones, 24
Chris Young, 23
Corey Patterson, 24
Ruben Rivera, 25
   60. shoewizard Posted: July 18, 2008 at 12:05 AM (#2862824)
Corey Patterson, 24

I hate you Fish, you are cruel and inhuman. How could you?
   61. shoewizard Posted: July 18, 2008 at 12:07 AM (#2862830)
You guys are joke complaining, right?

Yes...he was only kidding. Read from the top.
   62. 1k5v3L Posted: July 23, 2008 at 09:01 PM (#2869787)
Through 100 games, Chris Young has the highest RZR among all qualified CFers in baseball, with .952. His 53 OOZ plays are tied for fourth in baseball, after Gomez (64), Beltran (60) and Upton (56). So at least defensively he's made a major step forward this year. Now, here's hoping the offense follows
   63. shoewizard Posted: September 11, 2008 at 04:02 PM (#2937857)
Perhaps it is somewhat ironic that while the D Backs have gone through a complete and utter collapse, Chris Young has actually come on in the second half enough to give hope that he might actually put up a league average OBP someday. Someday.

1st half 418 PA's .228/.296/.401 .696 OPS sOPS+ 87 36 BB's (8.6%) 95 K's (22.7%) .269 BABIP
2nd half 212 PA's .281/.336/.516 .852 OPS sOPS+ 120 17 BB's (8.0%) 56 K's (26.4%) .364 BABIP

Oh well.....I don't have line drive percentage splits. It feels like he is hitting more line drives and gappers, so the BABIP jump is not unexpected. But with no improvement in the walk rate, and actually a slightly worse K rate, I'm not so sure how sustainable this improvement is. Probably not very. :(
   64. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: August 11, 2009 at 02:25 PM (#3288732)
Young gets demoted. Maybe he is on the C-Pat career path.

BBTF demotion thread.
   65. The Essex Snead Posted: August 11, 2009 at 02:35 PM (#3288749)
At least he's not on the Ruben Rivera career path.
   66. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: August 11, 2009 at 02:39 PM (#3288755)
Sheeeeeeeeyit. I'm just hoping Travis Buck can turn into Lee Mazzilli.

I like when these old threads get bumped and it turns out I said something prescient.
   67. Dewey, Soupuss Not Doomed to Succeed Posted: August 11, 2009 at 02:45 PM (#3288768)
One of these days, Ken Williams is going to deal away a young player who is going to turn into something special.

Of course, that could still be Chris Young, but so far, the Young-for-Vazquez deal doesn't look too bad.
   68. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: August 11, 2009 at 02:49 PM (#3288773)
Hey, Gio Gonzalez has a 1.46 ERA with 26 Ks and 11 BBs in his last four starts. That brings his season ERA all the way down to 5.57.

He could be the one.
   69. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: August 11, 2009 at 02:50 PM (#3288774)
One of these days, Ken Williams is going to deal away a young player who is going to turn into something special.

Gio and Chris Carter are starting to look pretty good, actually. Which isn't to argue with your point. KW has proved to be very savvy about young talent and, more importantly, he has the courage of his convictions when it's time to deal.
   70. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: August 11, 2009 at 02:52 PM (#3288780)
Hey, Gio Gonzalez has a 1.46 ERA with 26 Ks and 11 BBs in his last four starts. That brings his season ERA all the way down to 5.57.

That one meltdown against the Twins is skewing his stats. He's been excellent lately including starts against the Yankees and Red Sox on the road.
   71. Dewey, Soupuss Not Doomed to Succeed Posted: August 11, 2009 at 02:57 PM (#3288785)
Ken Williams always liked Gio Gonzalez. After all, he traded him away initially in the Jim Thome deal, then got him BACK in the Freddie Garcia deal, before trading him away for good as part of the Nick Swisher deal. If only he had gotten something of value for Swisher.
   72. RJ in TO Posted: August 11, 2009 at 02:58 PM (#3288790)
If only he had gotten something of value for Swisher.


Like the salary flexibility to add someone like Peavy or Rios?
   73. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: August 11, 2009 at 03:03 PM (#3288798)
Ken Williams always liked Gio Gonzalez. After all, he traded him away initially in the Jim Thome deal, then got him BACK in the Freddie Garcia deal, before trading him away for good as part of the Nick Swisher deal. If only he had gotten something of value for Swisher.

They had this thing about baseball behind the scenes on ESPN the other day and they featured Nick Swisher. In street clothes, Swish comes off like a complete douche. Seriously, you expect him to show up in line to audition for American Idol. I'd bet a few cokes KW just didn't like him. (The best part about the part of the show I saw was the forced conversation they made Bert Blyleven have with Swisher. "So.." "Yeah..." "Yeah...")
   74. Dewey, Soupuss Not Doomed to Succeed Posted: August 11, 2009 at 03:06 PM (#3288806)
Like the salary flexibility to add someone like Peavy or Rios?

That does take the sting away somewhat. I suppose I shouldn't complain too much as a White Sox fan about dumb moves by the team's GM.

Swish comes off like a complete douche. Seriously, you expect him to show up in line to audition for American Idol. I'd bet a few cokes KW just didn't like him.

I'm pretty sure that he and Guillen sat down and decided that they needed to get rid of him, come hell or high water.
   75. RJ in TO Posted: August 11, 2009 at 03:09 PM (#3288809)
I suppose I shouldn't complain too much as a White Sox fan about dumb moves by the team's GM.


Complain all you want. Just be prepared to be pelted by rocks from those who support teams who would love to have a GM that "dumb."
   76. Athletic Supporter can feel the slow rot Posted: August 11, 2009 at 09:46 PM (#3289403)
There's absolutely no question in my mind that Swisher is a frat-boy #########. Somehow I find this very entertaining (baseball players are, after all, entertainers), and he's one of my favorite baseball players partly for this reason, but I'm sure if I interacted with him on a regular basis I'd want to punch him in the nuts.
   77. Tripon Posted: August 17, 2009 at 06:00 AM (#3294599)
Watching Chris Young over the past two years was perplexing. Dude simply didn't have any strike zone judgement.

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