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Thursday, May 05, 2005

Dodgers - DLed Valentin

Los Angeles Dodgers - Placed IF Jose Valentin on the 15-day DL; purchased the contract of OF Mike Edwards

Valentin tore out most of his knee and should be out for a few months.  The Dodgers really need Antonio Perez back; he’s simply the best option they have unless they change their minds about calling up Aybar.  Mike Edwards is another good pinch-hitter off of the bench and like a lot of Dodger role player can only theoretically play positions towards the harder part of the defensive spectrum.  The Dodgers have a groundball pitching staff by design and simply can’t just stick Saenz or Edwards at 3rd until Perez is ready.

This should create more playing time for Nakamura as he’s probably the best defensive option at the moment but has looked as bad at the plate as his .135 BA indicates.

Whatever they do, 3rd will be sore spot for at least a couple of weeks.

Dan Szymborski Posted: May 05, 2005 at 03:21 PM | 31 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. The definitely immoral Eric Enders Posted: May 05, 2005 at 03:38 PM (#1313498)
Edwards got a hit in his first AB as a Dodger to raise his career average to .400.
   2. The definitely immoral Eric Enders Posted: May 05, 2005 at 03:39 PM (#1313506)
Also, as is being discussed in the other Valentin thread, there's another possible name in the 3B mix: Oscar Robles. He is my favorite among the candidates.
   3. Larry Bowa Posted: May 05, 2005 at 03:41 PM (#1313512)
P...o...l...a...n...c...o...
   4. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: May 05, 2005 at 03:43 PM (#1313519)
Phillies fans spell that B...e...l...l...
   5. Hendry's Wad of Cash (UCCF) Posted: May 05, 2005 at 03:44 PM (#1313524)
P...o...l...a...n...c...o...

Not so fast, we coveted him first.
   6. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: May 05, 2005 at 03:44 PM (#1313526)
Hey Larry,
Do you think Sleepy Ed Wade can figure out that there may be an opportunity here?
   7. Larry Bowa Posted: May 05, 2005 at 03:51 PM (#1313543)
"Sleepy" Ed is too busy trying t wake up Manuel to notice the phone's ringing off the hook.

Bell, Polanco, Byrd, Lofton, Michaels, Worrell, Adams, Cormier... these are all serviceable parts that I think could be traded.

...and no, Worrell is not "really" serviceable... but he has the aura of "proven closer'" on his resume and thus some schmuck would no doubt take him off Eddie's hands.
   8. Ok, Griffey's Dunn (Nothing Iffey About Griffey) Posted: May 05, 2005 at 04:07 PM (#1313577)
The Reds have a veteran third baseman, it's about time they realized they're out of it and sell off the veterans for kids. Randa for Billingsley!!! :-)
   9. Jes Golbez Posted: May 05, 2005 at 04:39 PM (#1313654)
Finally, some love for Jose Valentin!!

Too bad he's having such an awful time after a great start :`(
   10. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: May 05, 2005 at 04:42 PM (#1313667)
What would really hurt the Dodgers is if Izturis' ankle, twisted last night, keeps him out for any length of time. Remember, Valentin was the backup shortstop.
   11. Bob T Posted: May 05, 2005 at 07:36 PM (#1314627)
I watched Nori Nakamura pick it at shortstop last night!

No worries!
   12. 6 - 4 - 3 Posted: May 05, 2005 at 09:18 PM (#1315088)
Polanco would obviously be the best option to trade for, but if he's not available what about Joe Randa as a stopgap? The Reds aren't going anywhere this year (already 8.5 GB) and need (or think they need) an everyday spot for Freel.

Randa won't set the world on fire, but he's an average defender with a reliable .265-.275 EQA. I believe's he's only under contract for 2005 for a couple million. And I'm willing to bet that he'll come cheaper in a trade than Polanco.
   13. akrasian Posted: May 06, 2005 at 05:14 AM (#1316032)
Edwards was brought up only as a stop gap, but if Nakamura doesn't start hitting, I wouldn't be surprised if Aybar eventually was promoted. He had been moved from 3b to 2b last year, but with Valentin injured he played 3b last night. Figure a few weeks to get used to the position again (and to give Nakamura a chance to show that he can get used to US pitching), and then promote Aybar, maybe to platoon with Perez. It's Vegas, a hitter's park in a hitter's league, but Aybar's batting .344/.406/.556, so he's worth a look.
   14. Dr. Vaux Posted: May 06, 2005 at 08:21 AM (#1316113)
DePodesta and Beane will probably swing an Ellis or Ginter for organizational stuff/cash deal pretty soon. That seems like the most logical outcome.
   15. Dr. Vaux Posted: May 06, 2005 at 08:26 AM (#1316114)
I could even see something like Weaver and Steve Schmoll for Jose Reyes and Jae Seo. The Mets would do that, and the extremely negative media reaction in both cities would be fun to see.
   16. Ivan Grushenko of Hong Kong Posted: May 06, 2005 at 10:48 AM (#1316166)
DePodesta and Beane will probably swing an Ellis or Ginter for organizational stuff/cash deal pretty soon.

I'd think Ginter goes before Ellis. Ellis is an organization favorite and the starting 2B. I could see Scutaro going rather than Ellis.
   17. Russ Posted: May 06, 2005 at 11:15 AM (#1316171)
What about trading for one of the Pirates 917 middle /corner infielders? I figure DePo would have some sort of appreciation for someone like Bobby Hill or Freddy Sanchez.
   18. 6 - 4 - 3 Posted: May 06, 2005 at 11:50 AM (#1316181)
What would the Dodgers want with Ellis? Or you thinking that they would move Kent to third to get Ellis in the lineup. Ellis doesn't have the bat to play 3B (or 2B, for that matter).

Ginter's a possibility, although the Dodgers really need a solid glove at 3B and that's not Ginter. Also I don't know if Beane's in a position right now to part with any offense.
   19. akrasian Posted: May 06, 2005 at 05:58 PM (#1316803)
The Dodgers don't need to trade for a 2b - they have Antonio Perez if they wanted to move Kent.

If they want Kent to stay at second, and the trade option is a defensively adequate 3b who hits like a second baseman, again they have Antonio Perez.
   20. Honkie Kong Posted: May 06, 2005 at 07:43 PM (#1317145)
Wilson Betemit anyone? :) He has the auro of "top Prospect" still lingering somewhere...

actually the kid can really hit and take walks..now if he could only keep his head in the game.
   21. The definitely immoral Eric Enders Posted: May 06, 2005 at 07:50 PM (#1317185)
I could even see something like Weaver and Steve Schmoll for Jose Reyes and Jae Seo. The Mets would do that, and the extremely negative media reaction in both cities would be fun to see.

The negative reaction would be warranted, because it would be a terrible trade for both teams.

The Dodgers don't need a shortstop; they've got a 25yo SS who has already reached what Reyes' upside is. They have Jeff Kent playing 2B, and very, very well, I might add. Why turn an excellent defensive 2B into a bad defensive 3B? He'd lose a huge amount of his value. The last thing they need is to give up Weaver and one of their best young relievers for a player who will not help them in any way, shape, or form in the short term, and wouldn't be too useful long-term either.

Reyes is far more valuable to the Mets than he is to the Dodgers.
   22. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: May 06, 2005 at 08:30 PM (#1317366)
Eric, don't tell Sam M that Reyes' upside is only an 88 OPS+ with 25 SB.
   23. greenback calls it soccer Posted: May 06, 2005 at 11:01 PM (#1318060)
I'm wondering when Scott Seabol's going to get out from behind Scott Rolen. Not that he's as good as Polanco or whomever, but he's a decent stopgap.
   24. OCF Posted: May 09, 2005 at 03:07 PM (#1323081)
The Dodgers just DFA'd Nakamura and acquired Oscar Robles from the Mexican League. That might be worth a look by the Oracle.
   25. rageon Posted: May 09, 2005 at 07:58 PM (#1323719)
I'm confused about Robles. The Dodgers have been pretty high on him it seems. And he made an impression in Spring Training. First of all, why didn't LA buy him out of his deal sooner and stick him in their farm system. I mean, the idea of buying him out has been kicked around for quite a while, wouldn't have made more sense to have him in Las Vegas than Mexico? Second, why didn't someone else buy him out of his deal first?

I also read that Robles needs to stay on the roster all season? Why couldn't they option him?
   26. Der Komminsk-sar Posted: May 09, 2005 at 08:05 PM (#1323728)
Well, either Robles or his MXL team wanted him to stay in Mexico, I'd guess. It's not terribly unusual for "established" Mexican League players to stay in Mexico if they don't make major league clubs - Miguel Ojeda is an example.
   27. FlipYrWhig Posted: May 09, 2005 at 09:36 PM (#1323889)
Judging from his Mexican league numbers, Robles looks like a Sean Burroughs type. I didn't realize that he came up through the Astros system beginning in 1994 and washed out at Kissimmee in 1998. I think that means he played alongside Julio Lugo and maybe Jhonny Perez.
   28. FlipYrWhig Posted: May 09, 2005 at 09:37 PM (#1323894)
BTW, by "Sean Burroughs type" I mostly mean "high AVG, decent on-base, little else." Burroughs obviously has a much better pedigree.
   29. Der Komminsk-sar Posted: May 10, 2005 at 01:08 AM (#1324646)
Early numbers for Robles, .390/.475/.551 in 118 AB for the Red Devils (hitter's park).
   30. Der Komminsk-sar Posted: May 10, 2005 at 02:59 AM (#1325120)
This (for Robles) comes on the heels of a career-best .382/.473/.552 season with 11 K (against 62 BB) in 335 AB. However, I wouldn't get too excited just yet (not that anyone appears to be). The Mexican League is a primo hitting environment (6 teams hit over .300) with high walk and low strikeout totals and Robles has played for teams (Oaxaca, Mexico City) in the central plateau - the high octane part of the league.
Defensively, he's been an everyday utility man the last several years, playing mainly second the last two years (fielding .983 both seasons), and third the prior three. He hasn't played much short since 2000, which could be an indictment of his arm (or, could have to do with his teammates - I dunno). The last three years, he's fielded .945 in 119 games, with 64 PO, 244 A, 18 E, 28 DP at third.
   31. akrasian Posted: May 10, 2005 at 06:22 AM (#1325681)
He played a decent amount of short in spring training, and looked good - not Izturis good, but more than acceptable.

The Dodgers are talking about him as a utility man, with the occasional appearance at third base, but mainly backing up the middle infield. Antonio Perez, their erstwhile utilityman, has been playing third base at Vegas during his rehab stint.

In terms of why Robles wasn't playing for Vegas - the owner of the Red Devils wouldn't let him - he could be bought out of his contract to be in the majors, but not to be in the minors.

It's about time - Kent needs a day off, as does Izturis. I'm guessing that Robles will get a late inning replacement gig once or twice, and then start at second to rest Kent.

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