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Saturday, April 23, 2005

Giants - Activated Alou

San Francisco Giants - Activated OF Moises Alou from the 15-day DL; designated OF Tony Torcato for assignment.

The Giants offense has managed to hang on for the first few weeks of the season thanks to Alfonzo actually getting off to a blazing hot start for once.  It’d be better if that other injured outfielder would come back, but the Giants don’t have much organizational depth and will be very happy to have Pee-hands back in the lineup.

Torcato would be a very good player if he could correct the one major flaw in his game - being kinda weak at this whole baseball thing.  The Giants can’t be faulted in any way for their handling of Torcato; they gave him years to try to build on his success in the California League and it never happened.  Torcato will pop up somewhere but is unlikely to have a long major league career.

Dan Szymborski Posted: April 23, 2005 at 01:21 PM | 12 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Sam M. Posted: April 23, 2005 at 01:43 PM (#1281748)
I don't know, Dan. Seems to me a guy who has hit .300 with a .350 OBP in his limited major league duties has at least earned one start -- one -- since 2002. Torcato hasn't even been given that.

Admittedly, his stats at Fresno have sucked. But if he personally hasn't deserved much more, I would say (at least) that his treatment is symptomatic of the Giants' complete unwillingness to give a young player even a half-reasonable shot at a job at the major league level.
   2. Bangkok9 eschews 1 from Column A Posted: April 23, 2005 at 03:13 PM (#1281810)
Sam, with all due repsect, we're talking about 41 career PA. And a .361 SLG goes along with that.

{The food was lousy and the portions were too small.}
   3. Sam M. Posted: April 23, 2005 at 03:22 PM (#1281824)
Sam, with all due repsect, we're talking about 41 career PA. And a .361 SLG goes along with that.

I know, B-9. But I was just saying . . . one start. Would one start have been too much? Late September, meaningless game? Come on. The guy's been working his way through your system since 1998 and he can't get his name one time in the line-up card? Seems kind of harsh to me . . . .

More important, as I said, it reflects the more serious issue the Giants have with (a) developing young hitters who really deserve a chance, and (b) giving any young hitters any sort of a shot.
   4. Bangkok9 eschews 1 from Column A Posted: April 23, 2005 at 03:40 PM (#1281840)
There's not been that many meaningless games IIRC. In '02 and '04 the club was in a divisional race down to the last few days and in '03 they were contending for HFZ.

Feliz got a shot but he's not really young.

Torrealba... Hard to figure although from his numbers maybe the league solved him last year.

Ellison and Niekro... Jury is still out.

Dallimore is 30. Ransom was never going to be a bat worth mentioning. Damon Minor, feh.
   5. Steve Treder Posted: April 23, 2005 at 03:43 PM (#1281845)
Sam M,

You're entirely correct, of course, that the Giants have done a lousy job of developing ML-quality position players over the past 5-10 years. But Torcato is the wrong guy for you to champion as your exemplar. He swings an OK bat, has marginal use as a pinch-hitter, but hasn't deserved more ML playing time than he's gotten. Remember that the Giants have played virtually no meaningless late September games in recent years; late September games have generally been hugely crucial.

Lance Linden is a guy you can say they didn't give a reasonable shot to, but Linden doesn't have star potential anyway. And the larger point is that the Giants' issue hasn't been refusal to give reasonable shots to their position player prospects, instead it's been the total absence of worthy position player prospects.
   6. Steve Treder Posted: April 23, 2005 at 03:46 PM (#1281848)
Lance Linden

Todd Linden! LOL.

They haven't given our friend Lance a decent shot, either, though, you have to admit.
   7. Bangkok9 eschews 1 from Column A Posted: April 23, 2005 at 04:26 PM (#1281904)
You're entirely correct, of course, that the Giants have done a lousy job of developing ML-quality position players over the past 5-10 years.

Does Ramon Martinez count? He broke in with the Giants but was drafted by KC. I don't recall where he played in the minors. But he would have been better than N'Whiffy.

He swings an OK bat, has marginal use as a pinch-hitter, but hasn't deserved more ML playing time than he's gotten.

I was going to make this point but didn't. He's just exactly the wrong corner outfielder for the Giants. RF at Mays Field is beyond him.

Niekro is a third-order victim to the long-term contract to Alfonzo, the resurgent bat of Snow and the positional transience of Feliz. If he's the real thing you have to hope somebody Pipps.
   8. Steve Treder Posted: April 23, 2005 at 07:20 PM (#1282543)
Does Ramon Martinez count?

Of course he counts, as a guy essentially developed by the Giants, and brought to the majors by them. But he's nothing more than a decent utility guy -- and he's among the best of the position players brought forth by them over the past decade.

If he's the real thing you have to hope somebody Pipps.

Niekro isn't the real thing. He's another utility player, nothing more.
   9. fables of the deconstruction Posted: April 23, 2005 at 10:17 PM (#1283049)
...and he's among the best of the position players brought forth by them over the past decade.

Hey Steve,

2002 was long ago and far away... Eventually the Giants need to stop the "they only come out at night" and find someone who can actually "see the light of day."

[/scary monsters, vampyres and assorted ghouls] ;-) ...

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trevise :-) ...
   10. Slinger Francisco Barrios (Dr. Memory) Posted: April 24, 2005 at 02:38 AM (#1283445)
If you want to make me laugh, just say "Pee-hands".
   11. Bangkok9 eschews 1 from Column A Posted: April 24, 2005 at 03:15 AM (#1283498)
.237 OPS, baby...

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