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Tuesday, December 08, 2009

Granderson/Jackson/Scherzer 3-Way Jamboree

Before catching up with some old business (I’ve had a wicked head cold for a week and a half), let’s first look at the Big 3-Way Trade.

As usual, I like to break down 3-way trades one team at a time.

The Diamondbacks acquired Edwin Jackson and Ian Kennedy for Max Scherzer and Daniel Schlereth.

This, I feel, is the hardest segment of the trade to justify.  Jackson took a big step forward last year and unlike the ERA improvement from 2007 to 2008, this drop in ERA was matched by improvement in his peripheral stats.  That being said, Arizona only has Jackson under control for two seasons and don’t look to be major players for any elite free agents.  In Arizona’s position, I simply rather have the extremely promising Scherzer.  I like Ian Kennedy more than a lot of people, but I find him very risky.  Simply put, most finesse pitchers don’t become Jamie Moyer and there’s an injury history here.  I’d have to think long and hard about trading Scherzer for Jackson-and-Kennedy and while I might in the end decide to do it, simply throwing in Schlereth as well puts me against the trade.

The Yankees acquired Curtis Granderson for Austin Jackson, Ian Kennedy, and Phil Coke.

Here is the easiest part of the trade to like.  It just feels so unfair for the Yankees to essentially reduce payroll (by having Granderson instead of the replacement) and acquire a solid player without giving up much of crucial value.

Again, I like Ian Kennedy, but he really didn’t have a place in the organization.  Kennedy’s not suited to be a reliever and the Yankees have a name-brand rotation.  Good brands, too, not Packard Bell or Saturn.  I feel Coke should be a decent enough reliever long-term, with a good fastball and occasional stretches of cluelessness that need to be stamped out, but he’s not a player the Yankees are going to really care about.  That just leaves Austin Jackson.  A lot of people like him, but I find him unimpressive on a statistical basis, a low-power hitter with way too many strikeouts (and a resulting extremely high BABIP that won’t carry to the majors) and from seeing his approach in person, I just don’t see how good major league pitching won’t eat him for breakfast.

Granderson is not without risk.  Theoretically, one could fix the biggest problem with Granderson, a complete inability to hit lefties, with a platoon, but platooning a player widely considered to be a star is fraught with more peril than it is when you’re platooning players in a simulation.  I simply cannot think of a lot of cases in recent years in which players with the star label in the prime of their careers are suddenly given platoon partners.  It’s widely perceived as a demotion and when it’s done, it’s usually only done very sparingly, timing rest when a very good wrong-handed opponent is on the mound.  However, even if you’re forced to take the bad with the good, Granderson’s a solid player with a very reasonable contract (guaranteed roughly $8 million per for 3 years).

The Tigers acquired Max Scherzer, Daniel Schlereth, Austin Jackson, and Phil Coke for Edwin Jackson and Curtis Granderson.

And here’s the rest.  I’m of mixed emotions here.  If he stays healthy, Scherzer could be a fixture in the Tigers rotation for a long time and when the time comes, the Tigers have the resources to keep him long-term if he’s worth it.  Schlereth is extremely promising as well.

My main quibble with this trade from Detroit’s point-of-view is that they seem to value Austin Jackson a lot more highly than I do.  They see Curtis Granderson.  I see Curtis Granderson without a lot of things that makes Curtis Granderson a really good player.  How the Tigers do in this trade will depend a lot on who was right about Jackson.  I can’t help but feel that if the Diamondbacks were interested in giving away Scherzer/Schlereth for Jackson/Kennedy (which they must have been since that’s what they did), the Tigers could have found someone else the Diamondbacks wanted instead of Kennedy, left the Yankees completely out of the trade, and hung onto Granderson.

Just as a side note, Schlereth and Scherzer are the only two players that haven’t already had a projection run this offseason, so for information’s sake, Scherzer’s top comps are Mike Witt, Tim Hudson, and Josh Beckett and Schlereth’s are Dennys Reyes, Darren Oliver, and John Rocker.

 

2010 ZiPS Projections
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Player     W   L   G GS   IP   H   ER HR BB SO   ERA ERA+
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Coke     3   4 79   0 68.1 73   39   8 29 55 5.14   89
Jackson   13 10 34 34 203.2 198   92 24 80 153 4.07 117
Kennedy   3   5 17 16 81.0 82   45   8 38 65 5.00   95
Scherzer   9   5 29 26 143.2 135   63 15 60 138 3.95 115  
Schlereth   3   2 45   0 45.2 41   23   4 33 47 4.53 100
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2010 ZiPS Projections
——————————————————————————————————————
Player     AB   R   H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB   BA   OBP   SLG OPS+
——————————————————————————————————————
Granderson   586 105 150 27 11 26 67 66 143 16 .256 .333 .473 109  
Jackson     551 58 136 26 4   6 50 38 132 16 .247 .298 .341   68
——————————————————————————————————————

 

 

Dan Szymborski Posted: December 08, 2009 at 11:21 PM | 145 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Russlan is fond of Dillon Gee Posted: December 08, 2009 at 11:29 PM (#3407275)
Kennedy is righthanded.
   2. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: December 08, 2009 at 11:35 PM (#3407288)
"Kennedy is righthanded."


Kennedy: You are wonderful.
Scherzer: Thank you; I've worked hard to become so.
Kennedy: I admit it, you are better than I am.
Scherzer: Then why are you smiling?
Kennedy: Because I know something you don't know.
Scherzer: And what is that?
Kennedy: I... am not left-handed.

[...]

Scherzer: You are amazing.
Kennedy: I ought to be, after 20 years.
Scherzer: Oh, there's something I ought to tell you.
Kennedy: Tell me.
Scherzer: I'm not left-handed either.
   3. with Glavinesque control and Madduxian poise Posted: December 08, 2009 at 11:35 PM (#3407291)
I thought the weird thing about scouting Granderson was that he was supposed to be a tweener coming up, not enough pop for a corner or enough defense for center, and suddenly he was in the majors with plenty of both. Not that people ought to be counting on that happening, but it seems an interesting comparison with Austin Jackson.
   4. Dewey, Soupuss Not Doomed to Succeed Posted: December 08, 2009 at 11:37 PM (#3407295)
the Yankees have a name-brand rotation.

True, but isn't depth in the rotation something they lack? Or am I missing something?
   5. tjm1 Posted: December 08, 2009 at 11:42 PM (#3407303)
This probably means the Yankees are stuck with Melky Cabrera in left field. Granderson is a nice player, but he's not the one the Yankees really needed.
   6. tjm1 Posted: December 08, 2009 at 11:43 PM (#3407304)
Also, as for a star who has been platooned in the middle of his career: JD Drew has basically been platooned the past couple years, whether it's been openly admitted or not.
   7. Tripon Posted: December 08, 2009 at 11:45 PM (#3407307)
Austin Jackson's ZiPS line is terrifying.
   8. Kyle S at work Posted: December 08, 2009 at 11:48 PM (#3407309)
If the Yanks need a name-brand rotation, why are they dealing Coke? Was Pepsi not available?
   9. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: December 08, 2009 at 11:55 PM (#3407318)
I simply cannot think of a lot of cases in recent years in which players with the star label in the prime of their careers are suddenly given platoon partners. It's widely perceived as a demotion and when it's done, it's usually only done very sparingly, timing rest when a very good wrong-handed opponent is on the mound.

Of course, just timing rest when a good wrong-handed opponent is on the mound could eliminate 20-25% of Granderson's PA vs LHP.

This probably means the Yankees are stuck with Melky Cabrera in left field.

I wouldn't bet on that. It's December 8th, not March 28th.
   10. Gamingboy Posted: December 08, 2009 at 11:55 PM (#3407319)
Aren't we forgetting how the fact Curtis Granderson is a nice guy who everybody likes will mess up the Yankees clubhouse environment of Intangibles and #############?


Sorry, I had to get that in. I can't help it.

The Jackson line seems right on: A lighter hitting Granderson. From what little I saw of him last year, I think he might be a bit faster though.
   11. Mattbert Posted: December 08, 2009 at 11:57 PM (#3407325)
This probably means the Yankees are stuck with Melky Cabrera in left field. Granderson is a nice player, but he's not the one the Yankees really needed.

Nah, Melky's getting traded for Gavin Floyd tomorrow.

Seriously, what makes you think the Yankees will refrain from signing a left fielder just because Melky's been displaced by a better player?
   12. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: December 08, 2009 at 11:58 PM (#3407327)
Aren't we forgetting how the fact Curtis Granderson is a nice guy who everybody likes will mess up the Yankees clubhouse environment of Intangibles and #############?

You mean Intangibles, #############, Nick Swisher and pie, right?
   13. Der-K and the statistical werewolves. Posted: December 09, 2009 at 12:00 AM (#3407330)
Good take, Dan.
   14. steagles Posted: December 09, 2009 at 12:10 AM (#3407338)
great line for jackson.


also, i think it should be noted that jackson is just 10 months older than scherzer. if scherzer still has unrealized potential, i think it's beyond dumb to not acknowledge that so too does jackson.
   15. Famous Original Joe C Posted: December 09, 2009 at 12:12 AM (#3407339)
Austin Jackson's ZiPS line is terrifying.

Well, he's not very good, you see. Certainly not yet, anyway.
   16. Famous Original Joe C Posted: December 09, 2009 at 12:24 AM (#3407352)
Also, as for a star who has been platooned in the middle of his career: JD Drew has basically been platooned the past couple years, whether it's been openly admitted or not.

Right, the old "day off with a tough lefty in the lineup". If they're going to give him occasional days off anyway, why not make them when you face a lefty? Granderson's over all stats look better, the team does better, everyone wins. No, it's not a straight platoon like in a Diamond Mind game or something, but it's close enough to the same effect.

It also helps with Drew that he's 34 and misses time anyway almost every year.
   17. birdlives is one crazy ninja Posted: December 09, 2009 at 12:28 AM (#3407357)
Scherzer: You are amazing.
Kennedy: I ought to be, after 20 years.
Scherzer: Oh, there's something I ought to tell you.
Kennedy: Tell me.
Scherzer: I'm not left-handed either.

Kennedy: Inconceivable!
   18. rr Posted: December 09, 2009 at 12:37 AM (#3407372)
Question: do Granderson's metrics on D show him as being valuable enough with the glove that the Yankees should use him in the 8th spot but still play him against lefties?
   19. BobbyS Posted: December 09, 2009 at 12:52 AM (#3407387)
Quality PB reference there, Vlad!!

I think it would be somebody like Steinbrenner, however, who'd say "inconceivable" here, birdlives!
   20. Dan Szymborski Posted: December 09, 2009 at 12:59 AM (#3407390)
209. Dan Szymborski Posted: December 08, 2009 at 06:57 PM (#3407389)
Ouch, that's what I get for writing in piecemeal. That should read finesse pitcher (and does, now).


And then I post the explanation in the wrong thread, to double the egg on my face.
   21. Russlan is fond of Dillon Gee Posted: December 09, 2009 at 01:02 AM (#3407395)
Is it just me or does The Princess Bride get quoted here more often than one would expect?
   22. NTNgod Posted: December 09, 2009 at 01:07 AM (#3407397)
Is it just me or does The Princess Bride get quoted here more often than one would expect?

Given that I suspect a large percentage of the frequent posters are GenXers, it's not suprising to me at all.
   23. Dan Szymborski Posted: December 09, 2009 at 01:08 AM (#3407398)
The day off with a tough lefty lineup is definitely the schtick that Drew has going at the moment. The difference is, however, that Drew is decent against lefties, so the Red Sox don't really need to try to get him out of the lineup, simply rest him on days where it's the most convenient.

Granderson, however, is absolutely horrific against them, with a split 214 points of OPS worse than his overall line.
   24. Willie Mayspedester Posted: December 09, 2009 at 01:17 AM (#3407404)
If the Yanks need a name-brand rotation, why are they dealing Coke? Was Pepsi not available?


Dealing Coke may work for the Yankees in the short term but sooner or later...
   25. An Athletic in Powderhorn™ Posted: December 09, 2009 at 01:18 AM (#3407406)
Is it just me or does The Princess Bride get quoted here more often than one would expect?"


It's not just here. I'm constantly surprised how often I hear Princess Bride quotes from people who weren't even born when it came out. A lot of kids who haven't even seen the movie know the dialogue.
   26. Srul Itza Posted: December 09, 2009 at 01:31 AM (#3407415)
Is it just me or does The Princess Bride get quoted here more often than one would expect?"


Why would this surprise you? The attitude -- tongue-in-cheek with a touch of snark -- and resulting dialogue is absolutely perfect for this venue. And the line:


"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."


is invaluable for an internet message board.
   27. puck Posted: December 09, 2009 at 01:33 AM (#3407417)
Question: do Granderson's metrics on D show him as being valuable enough with the glove that the Yankees should use him in the 8th spot but still play him against lefties?


He's had 685 PA vs lefties vs 2211 against righties. What makes us so sure he's really a .270/.344 guy batter against lefties? He's not one of those Mariano Duncan-style switch hitters, but bats lefty all the time, right?
   28. Darren Posted: December 09, 2009 at 01:43 AM (#3407424)
Please be Coco!
   29. Greg Pope thinks the Cubs are reeking havoc Posted: December 09, 2009 at 01:50 AM (#3407431)
Why would this surprise you? The attitude -- tongue-in-cheek with a touch of snark -- and resulting dialogue is absolutely perfect for this venue

Princess Bride is just littered with great quotes. It has to be one of the top 5 quotable movies of all time. Although I'm only not saying #1 because I'm sure that someone else will come along with something I'm not thinking of. I mean, other movies have individual great quotes, but not only does PB have all-time great individual quotes, but it also has the sheer volume.
   30. Srul Itza Posted: December 09, 2009 at 01:53 AM (#3407432)
Two others in the pantheon of great quote movies are Casablanca and Godfather.
   31. Mike Emeigh Posted: December 09, 2009 at 01:53 AM (#3407433)
I'm not a big fan of Scherzer. I don't think his secondary stuff is good enough to stay in the rotation and I think he's destined for a career as a closer or setup guy (not that the Tigers couldn't use one of those as well). I have a feeling that Arizona thinks the same thing. I look at Scherzer for Kennedy as essentially a wash.

I like this deal for all three teams. Austin Jackson will hit eventually, with enough power to justify his existence; people forget that he's just about to turn 23. At 23 Granderson was still in AA ball.

-- MWE
   32. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: December 09, 2009 at 01:56 AM (#3407435)
Although I'm only not saying #1 because I'm sure that someone else will come along with something I'm not thinking of.

Casablanca.

"Play it again Sam" - never said in the movie
"Round up the usual suspects"
"This could be the start of a beautiful friendship"
"Of all the gin joints in all the world, she had to walk into mine"
"We'll always have Paris"
"I'm shocked, shocked to find gambling going on here"

That's just off the top of my head.

Edit: Coke to Srul
   33. Tripon Posted: December 09, 2009 at 02:02 AM (#3407438)
Mike Emeigh, you can say the same for Edwin Jackson. He doesn't have great command of his fastball, and he's only has a career 6.3 K/9 rate. Combine that with his BB/9 rate of 4.0 and you have to wonder what the D'backs see in Jackson that they didn't in Scherzer.
   34. Greg Pope thinks the Cubs are reeking havoc Posted: December 09, 2009 at 02:04 AM (#3407439)
Two others in the pantheon of great quote movies are Casablanca and Godfather.

Tricky for me to judge, since I've never actually seen either. So anything I know (like snapper's list) is guaranteed to be a great quote. Whereas I've seen The Princess Bride, I don't know, probably 50 times. So a line like "Yes, you're very smart. Shut up." will crack me up as a movie reference, but it's not exactly well known.
   35. An Athletic in Powderhorn™ Posted: December 09, 2009 at 02:08 AM (#3407441)
"Yvonne, I love you, but he pays me."
"My health. I came to Casablanca for the waters." "Waters? What waters? We're in the desert." "I was misinformed."
"What kind of man is Captain Renault?" "He's just like any other man, only more so."
"Major, there are certain sections of New York that I wouldn't advise you to try to invade."
"...and just remember, this gun is pointed straight at your heart." "That is my least vulnerable spot."

And those are just the quotes that aren't famous.
   36. For the Turnstiles (andeux) Posted: December 09, 2009 at 02:12 AM (#3407444)
"I stick my neck out for nobody."
"I'm a drunkard." "That makes Rick a citizen of the world."
   37. Gamingboy Posted: December 09, 2009 at 02:14 AM (#3407446)
Great Quote Movies:
Citizen Kane
Spaceballs
The Dark Knight
Star Wars (Original Trilogy, although there are a few gems in the prequels)
The Wizard of Oz
Rocky movies
Gone with the Wind (if only for "I don't give a damn")
Dodgeball
Star Trek II, IV, VI, "First Contact" and XI
Animal House
Forrest Gump
   38. Adam M Posted: December 09, 2009 at 02:15 AM (#3407447)
"The Big Lebowski" and "Office Space" are also excellent quote movies.
   39. Gamingboy Posted: December 09, 2009 at 02:19 AM (#3407450)
1776 also has quite a few good ones, but it's not as well known.


Benjamin Franklin: Don't worry, John, the history books will clean it up.

John Adams: Hmm... Well, I'll never appear in the history books anyway. Only you. Franklin did this, and Franklin did that, and Franklin did some other damn thing. Franklin smote the ground and out sprang George Washington - fully grown and on his horse. Franklin then electrified him with his miraculous lightning rod and the three of them, Franklin, Washington and the horse, conducted the entire revolution all by themselves.

Benjamin Franklin: I like it.
   40. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: December 09, 2009 at 02:22 AM (#3407451)
Dealing Coke may work for the Yankees in the short term but sooner or later...

Dealing Coke works just fine as long as you don't snort the profits.

"Ugarte: You despise me, don't you?
Rick: If I gave you any thought I probably would."
   41. Srul Itza Posted: December 09, 2009 at 02:24 AM (#3407452)
I'm surprised that everyone left out:

Here's looking at you, kid.
   42. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: December 09, 2009 at 02:27 AM (#3407456)
Great movie quotes: The Big Lebowski.
   43. Greg Pope thinks the Cubs are reeking havoc Posted: December 09, 2009 at 02:30 AM (#3407461)
And those are just the quotes that aren't famous.

Those might be great lines, but you never hear them quoted. Many movies have great lines, but to be a great quote, it has to be able to be referenced outside of the movie. For example "I'm going to make him an offer he can't refuse" immediately conjures up the source material, and is usable in many situations. The Casablanca quotes above are like that.
   44. Boxkutter Posted: December 09, 2009 at 02:31 AM (#3407462)
Other quotable movies:

Scarface
Clerks
Fight Club
Heathers
Jay & Silent Bob Strike Back
Juno
Swingers
Rounders (more so if you play or hang out with poker players)
Napolean Dynamite
Dazed And Confused
   45. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: December 09, 2009 at 02:34 AM (#3407464)
Rounders (more so if you play or hang out with poker players)

God I love John Malkovich's ridiculously hammy acting in that movie. He chows down on every piece of scenery in sight.
   46. fra paolo Posted: December 09, 2009 at 02:34 AM (#3407465)
One of the best movies for quotes is the now-obscure The Draughtsman's Contract. I would love to learn that there was a longer director's cut to be made available, simply because the dialogue is so entertaining. IMDB's first quote is:

Mr Neville: 'You must forgive my curiosity, madam, and open your knees.'

and, from near the end of the film,

Mr Neville: 'Why is that dutchman waving his arms about? Is he homesick for windmills?'

Anthony Higgins' performance as Mr Neville was wonderful, but I suspect had too much of himself in it, which implies he carried around a large truckload of arrogance. I heard his career fell victim to the bottle, after a stab at Hollywood playing a Nazi in Raiders of the Lost Ark. Oh, I could go on.

Instead, I'll return to the theme of this thread and note that just a few days ago Cashman was quoted as saying he was looking for 'pitching, pitching, pitching; and a left-fielder'. He has now dealt three pitchers. Was he fibbing? Or is the real Yankee blockbuster still to come?

EDIT: Oh and Mrs Herbert: 'Carp live too long - they remind him of Catholics.'
   47. Eraser-X is emphatically dominating teh site!!! Posted: December 09, 2009 at 02:36 AM (#3407468)
I vote for Total Recall and Demolition Man.
   48. An Athletic in Powderhorn™ Posted: December 09, 2009 at 02:41 AM (#3407470)
Those might be great lines, but you never hear them quoted. Many movies have great lines, but to be a great quote, it has to be able to be referenced outside of the movie."


That's true. For the kind of movies and quotes you're referring to, I'll add:

The Maltese Falcon (all credit here should go to Dashiell Hammett; the best lines are taken verbatim from the novel)
Chinatown
Ghostbusters
This is Spinal Tap
Fargo
Terminator 1 & 2
Jaws
   49. WhoWantsTeixeiraDessert Posted: December 09, 2009 at 02:44 AM (#3407478)
Airplane
Spinal Tap
   50. WhoWantsTeixeiraDessert Posted: December 09, 2009 at 02:45 AM (#3407479)
Coke owed, but the Yanks already paid it.
   51. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: December 09, 2009 at 02:46 AM (#3407480)
The Air Up There
   52. From Moses to Sandy Koufax Posted: December 09, 2009 at 02:50 AM (#3407483)
Did someone mention The Big Lebowski?

How about Anchorman?
   53. Matt Garza smells it deep (Mr. Tapeworm) Posted: December 09, 2009 at 02:51 AM (#3407484)
My personal favorite quotable movie is Repo Man ...

"I don't want no Commies in my car. No Christians either."

"Most people spend their lives getting out of tense situations. A repo man spends his life getting into tense situations."

"Look at 'em. Ordinary ####### people. I hate 'em."

"The more you drive, the less intelligent you are."

"It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes."

"You gonna give me my car, or do I gotta go to your house and shove your dog's head down the toilet?"

And a hundred more ...
   54. Boxkutter Posted: December 09, 2009 at 02:54 AM (#3407488)
That's true. For the kind of movies and quotes you're referring to, I'll add:

The Maltese Falcon (all credit here should go to Dashiell Hammett; the best lines are taken verbatim from the novel)
Chinatown
Ghostbusters
This is Spinal Tap
Fargo
Terminator 1 & 2
Jaws


If you like The Maltese Falcon, you should check out an independent film called "Brick" that came out a few years ago. Another very quotable movie, but not well known. The writer/director is a big Hammett fan. Hammett's and The Coen Brothers inspired him to write the movie.
   55. Spahn Insane Posted: December 09, 2009 at 02:54 AM (#3407489)
"Your cash is good at the bar."

"This is an outrage! Do you know who I am?"

"I do. You're lucky the bar's open to you."
   56. An Athletic in Powderhorn™ Posted: December 09, 2009 at 02:59 AM (#3407495)
I've heard a lot of good things about Brick. It definitely sounds like my kind of movie. I should get off my lazy ass and pick it up sometime.
   57. Freeballin' (Tales of Met Power) Posted: December 09, 2009 at 02:59 AM (#3407498)
"Have fun shtorming de castle!"

"I'm not a witch, I'm your wife!"

"truuuuuuue...loooooove" (this one I say to my wife all the time)
   58. WhoWantsTeixeiraDessert Posted: December 09, 2009 at 03:01 AM (#3407502)
Unforgiven has some

Deserve's got nothin to do with it
Helluva thing killin a man, you take everything he's got, and everything he's ever gonna have
Innocent, innocent of what?
He's holding onto his sh-- like it was money
I even thought I was dead, until I found out it was just that I was in Nebraska
   59. PreservedFish Posted: December 09, 2009 at 03:13 AM (#3407520)
Brick is good. It's mostly interesting because it mashes up a modern high school flick with a classic hard-boiled detective story. Worth seeing. Not great though.
   60. Srul Itza Posted: December 09, 2009 at 03:15 AM (#3407523)
I agree with Greg Pope -- we are getting a number of good lines, but not the kind you actually hear quoted very often.

If you just want good lines and good dialogue, I highly recommend "The Lion in Winter":

Eleanor of Acquitaine: "What would you have me do, give out, give up, give in?
Henry II: Give me, a little peace.
Eleanor: A little, why so modest? How about eternal peace, now there's a thought.

Eleanor: Henry's bed is Henry's province. He can people it with sheep for all I care, which on occasion he has done.
Henry II: Rosamund's been dead for seven years...
Eleanor: ...two months and eighteen days. I never liked her much.
Henry II: You counted the days.
Eleanor: I made the numbers up.

Prince John: A knife! He's got a knife!
Eleanor: Of course he has a knife, he always has a knife, we all have knives! It's 1183 and we're barbarians!
   61. My guest will be Jermaine Allensworth Posted: December 09, 2009 at 03:15 AM (#3407524)
My go-to movie is Super Troopers.
   62. Mark S. is bored Posted: December 09, 2009 at 03:18 AM (#3407526)
Unforgiven has some

Deserve's got nothin to do with it
Helluva thing killin a man, you take everything he's got, and everything he's ever gonna have
Innocent, innocent of what?
He's holding onto his sh-- like it was money
I even thought I was dead, until I found out it was just that I was in Nebraska


Ned Logan: I sure do miss my bed.
Will Munny: You said that last night.
Ned Logan: No, last night I said I missed my wife, tonight I just miss my ####### bed.

And the always funny:
The Duck of Death
   63. Freeballin' (Tales of Met Power) Posted: December 09, 2009 at 03:19 AM (#3407528)
Obligatory - I WISH OMAR WERE AS SMART AS JOSH BYRNES!
   64. Benji Gil Gamesh Rises Posted: December 09, 2009 at 03:22 AM (#3407531)
"truuuuuuue...loooooove" (this one I say to my wife all the time)


My wife and I use versions of the old king's "Won't that be nice?" constantly.

And virtually the entire Bill Crystal scene is usable. Just the other day my wife was slicing some tomatoes and turned to me and said "They're so perky, I love that."
   65. 'Spos Posted: December 09, 2009 at 03:28 AM (#3407537)
Suddenly someone'll say, like, plate, or shrimp, or plate o' shrimp out of the blue, no explanation. No point in lookin' for one, either. It's all part of a cosmic unconsciousness.
   66. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: December 09, 2009 at 03:30 AM (#3407540)
Unforgiven has some

"You'd be William Munny out of Missouri. Killer of women and children."

"That's right. I've killed women and children. I've killed just about everything that walks or crawled at one time or another. And I'm here to kill you, Little Bill, for what you did to Ned."

"All right now, I'm comin' out. Any man I see out there, I'm gonna kill him. Any sumbitch takes a shot at me, I'm not only gonna kill him, but I'm gonna kill his wife. All his friends. Burn his damn house down. "
   67. Srul Itza Posted: December 09, 2009 at 03:38 AM (#3407547)
Yeah, well, I guess they had it coming.
We all got it coming, kid.

Well, you sure killed the hell outta that fella today.


Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a #####! You just shot an unarmed man!
Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend.
   68. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: December 09, 2009 at 03:40 AM (#3407552)
If I could only have one movie line to drop into actual conversation, I'd probably go with "Laugh while you can, monkey-boy!"
   69. Freeballin' (Tales of Met Power) Posted: December 09, 2009 at 03:41 AM (#3407554)

Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend.


Credited
   70. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: December 09, 2009 at 03:44 AM (#3407558)
If I could only have one movie line to drop into actual conversation, I'd probably go with "Laugh while you can, monkey-boy!"

"Over! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor!?"
   71. Mike Emeigh Posted: December 09, 2009 at 03:57 AM (#3407568)
FWIW, Jim Bowden indicated in a tweet earlier that the Diamondbacks have a similar view of the deal as I do:

D-backs view Scherzer as back-end reliever long term....which explains their side....Jackson behind Haren, Webb gives them 3 solid starters


-- MWE
   72. Spahn Insane Posted: December 09, 2009 at 04:04 AM (#3407575)
Do we know how "solid" Webb actually is at this point?
   73. Dingbat_Charlie Posted: December 09, 2009 at 04:09 AM (#3407578)
"birdie num nums"
   74. Russlan is fond of Dillon Gee Posted: December 09, 2009 at 04:21 AM (#3407586)
What are the Tigers going to do for offense? Are they basically rebuilding?
   75. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: December 09, 2009 at 04:21 AM (#3407589)
"Well, Rick is the kind of man that . . . Well, if I were a woman, and I were not around, I should be in love with Rick."

"We are speaking only English to get ready for when we are in America. What watch, Helga?"
"Ten watch."
"Such much?"
   76. sardonic Posted: December 09, 2009 at 04:33 AM (#3407593)
How about Anchorman?


Just off the top of my head:

"Sex panther. 50% of the time, it works every time!"

"I'm in a glass case of emotion!!!"

"Milk was a poor decision!"

"Scotchy scotch scotch, I love you"

"Baxter, did you eat that entire wheel of cheese? I'm not even mad, that's impressive!"

"I'm a very important man... my apartment smells of leather bound books and mahagony."
   77. Blackadder Posted: December 09, 2009 at 04:37 AM (#3407595)
Casablanca just can't be compared to other movies for quotes. It's like 2001-2004 Bonds, in that the gap between it and the second best is comparable to the gap between the second best and the worst.
   78. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: December 09, 2009 at 04:41 AM (#3407597)
"Anchorman" sucked balls.
   79. Dock Ellis on Acid Posted: December 09, 2009 at 05:00 AM (#3407604)
"The secret, I don't know... I guess you've just gotta find something you love to do and then... do it for the rest of your life. For me, it's going to Rushmore."

"So were you in Vietnam?"
"Yeah."
"Were you in the ####?"
"Yeah, I was in the ####."

"I'm a little bit lonely these days."

"I saved Latin. What did you ever do?"

"She's my Rushmore, Max."
"Yeah, I know. She was mine, too."
   80. Kyle S Posted: December 09, 2009 at 05:13 AM (#3407609)
Mike E, have you changed your tune on Danny Haren? Since being traded to AZ he's had arguably the best numbers of any NL starter in aggregate.
   81. Greg Pope thinks the Cubs are reeking havoc Posted: December 09, 2009 at 06:24 AM (#3407638)
My wife and I use versions of the old king's "Won't that be nice?" constantly.

And virtually the entire Bill Crystal scene is usable. Just the other day my wife was slicing some tomatoes and turned to me and said "They're so perky, I love that."


Right. I mean, the movie has a ton of recognizeable lines:


My name is Inigo Montoya, you killed my father, prepare to die.
Is this a kissing book?
I've hired you to help me start a war. It's an prestigious line of work, with a long and glorious tradition.
You seem a decent fellow. I hate to kill you... You seem a decent fellow. I hate to die.
you know how much I love watching you work, but I've got my country's 500th anniversary to plan, my wedding to arrange, my wife to murder and Guilder to frame for it; I'm swamped.
I... am not left-handed. (Of course, this was used above, so maybe falls into the lower category.)
We'll never survive... Nonsense. You're only saying that because no one ever has.
Rodents Of Unusual Size? I don't think they exist.
Surrender... You mean you wish to surrender to me? Very well, I accept.
You killed my love... Hmm. it's possible. I kill a lot of people.


But it has just as many that are what, in my definition, are quoteable and can be dropped in for a response in a conversation, and are recognizeable as from the movie, but appropriate to a discussion:


As you wish.
You rush a miracle man, you get rotten miracles (pretty much the whole Miracle Max scene)
INCONCEIVABLE!
That does put a damper on our relationship.
You've been mostly-dead all day.
Get used to disappointment.
Truly, you have a dizzying intellect.
You fell victim to one of the classic blunders - The most famous of which is "never get involved in a land war in Asia" - but only slightly less well-known is this: "Never go against a Sicilian when death is on the line"!
Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates? Morons.
Life is pain, Highness. Anyone who says differently is selling something.
Have fun storming the castle!
Let me explain... No, there is too much, let me sum up.
If we only had a wheelbarrow, that would be something.
Good work. Sleep well. I'll most likely kill you in the morning.
You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means.


I would say that Casablanca is probably its only real rival for this kind of quote.
   82. Charles Kinbote Posted: December 09, 2009 at 06:45 AM (#3407648)
"I'm very sorry for your loss. Your mother was a terribly attractive woman."

"Why would a reviewer make the point of saying someone's not a genius? Do you especially think I'm not a genius?...You didn't even have to think about it, did you?"

"Can the boy tell time?"
"Oh, my Lord, no!"

"You heard me, Coltrane."
   83. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: December 09, 2009 at 06:51 AM (#3407656)
Princess Bride is an easy one for the those of us growing up in the 80s, but I don't know how you can get past the original Star Wars trilogy for ubiquitous quotations. Hell, "May the Force be with you" is as oft-used as "good luck."
"May the Force be with you." / "The Force is strong with this one." / "Don't underestimate the Force." / “Use the Force, Luke.”/ "The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force."

"A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away... "

“I’ve got a very bad feeling about this.”

“I find your lack of faith disturbing.”

“In my experience, there's no such thing as luck.”

“Beware of the dark side.”

“You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy."

“Aren’t you a little short for a stormtrooper?”

“Help me Obi-Wan Kenobi. You’re my only hope.”

“You’ve never heard of the Millennium Falcon? … It’s the ship that made the Kessel run in less than 12 parsecs.”

"These are not the droids you’re looking for… Move along.”

"The more you tighten your grip, Tarkin, the more star systems will slip through your fingers."
And that's just the first movie.
   84. depletion Posted: December 09, 2009 at 07:13 AM (#3407669)
The Third Man has great quotes. One memorable paragraph.
Spinal Tap...
He shoulda called that book "Yes, I can if Frank Sinatra says it's OK." 'Cause Frank calls the shots for all those guys.
   85. BobbyS Posted: December 09, 2009 at 07:32 AM (#3407683)
I think a lot of the quotes/movies are missing the point...I see hear the Princess Bride references all the time in a variety of settings. Perhaps I'm biased, as it is my favorite movie. A lot of what's been mentioned is classic, well written/placed dialogue...but as mentioned, isn't necessarily great commonplace material.

I actually stopped reading all the posts after a bit, but I was disappointed there was no mentioned of Doc in Tombstone.
   86. rlc Posted: December 09, 2009 at 07:36 AM (#3407685)
If a movie is truly a quote mine, you shouldn't even need to identify it. For example:

"Why oh why didn't I take the blue pill?"

"There is no spoon."

"Goodbye, Mr. Anderson."

"You're cuter than I thought. I can see why she likes you."
"Who?"
"Not too bright, though."
   87. An Athletic in Powderhorn™ Posted: December 09, 2009 at 07:50 AM (#3407689)
I'm not sure what this implies, but I can only place one of those movies. And that one only because I recognize "Mr. Anderson".

(After looking them up I can see they're all from the same movie. Which explains why I don't remember them. I didn't know anyone remembered The Matrix for its dialogue.)
   88. Boxkutter Posted: December 09, 2009 at 08:19 AM (#3407702)
As much as I love The Princess Bride, and it has some great lines, I think Swingers is more quotable.

"What the f### are you carrying a gun for? What, in case somebody steps to you, Snoop Dogg?"

"I'm gonna make Gretzky's head bleed for super fan #99 over here."

"Yeah... big f#####' teeth on ya'. And she's just like this little bunny, who's just kinda cowering in the corner."

"Haven't you seen Boyz N The Hood? Now one of us is going to get shot."

"...this is the guy behind the guy behind the guy."

"You better replace the pin, Chi-Chi. The natives look restless."

"Y'know, it's not so much me as Roenick; he's good."

"This place is dead anyways."

"I'm gonna find me two waitresses here and I'm gonna pull me a Fredo." (Great Godfather reference there!)

"You're so money and you don't even know."

"I don't want you to be the guy in the PG-13 movie everyone's *really* hoping makes it happen. I want you to be like the guy in the rated R movie, you know, the guy you're not sure whether or not you like yet. You're not sure where he's coming from. Okay? You're a bad man. You're a bad man, Mikey. You're a bad man, bad man."

(Copied this one from IMDb.com so I didn't have to type it)
Trent: They're gonna give daddy the Rainman suite, you dig that?
Mike: Do you think we'll get there by midnight?
Trent: Baby, we're going to be up five hundy by midnight!
Mike: Yeeeeaaaaahhhhhh!
Trent: Vegas baby! Vegas!
Mike: Vegas!


(By the way, I love this. Two of my favorite things, baseball and movies. I am actually surprised no one has mentioned a baseball themed movies yet, so I will. Sandlot has some great ones. You can say "You're killing me, Smalls" and even 20 year old females know which movie you're talking about.
   89. thetailor Posted: December 09, 2009 at 08:23 AM (#3407703)
Movies-schmovies. The best quotes come from television shows. Namely, Arrested Development and It's Always Sunny.

Dennis: I can absolutely keep a hummingbird as a pet, bro. It's no different than having a parrot or a parakeet. It's a bird, bro.
Charlie: You really can't, and I'm not saying I agree with it. It's just that bird law in this country—it's not governed by reason.
Dennis: There's no such thing as "bird law".
Charlie: Yes, there is.
   90. vortex of dissipation Posted: December 09, 2009 at 08:39 AM (#3407707)
Sir Galahad: Is there someone else up there we can talk to?
French Soldier: No, now go away or I shall taunt you a second time.

King Arthur: [after Arthur's cut off both of the Black Knight's arms] Look, you stupid Bastard. You've got no arms left.
Black Knight: Yes I have.
King Arthur: *Look*!
Black Knight: It's just a flesh wound.

Large Man with Dead Body: Who's that then?
The Dead Collector: I dunno, must be a king.
Large Man with Dead Body: Why?
The Dead Collector: He hasn't got #### all over him.

Knight 1: We are the Knights who say... NI.

The Dead Collector: Bring out yer dead.
[a man puts a body on the cart]
Large Man with Dead Body: Here's one.
The Dead Collector: That'll be ninepence.
The Dead Body That Claims It Isn't: I'm not dead.

Knight 1: ...You must cut down the mightiest tree in the forest... WITH... A HERRING!
   91. The Artist Posted: December 09, 2009 at 08:53 AM (#3407711)
"Get Rid of the Seaward".

"I'll leave when I'm good and ready!"

Always kills me.
   92. Good cripple hitter Posted: December 09, 2009 at 09:02 AM (#3407713)
Namely, Arrested Development


"What did he say?"
*flashback*: "Daddy horny, Michael."
"He said some wonderful things."

"What did he say?"
*flashback*: "I just blue myself!"
"He said some wonderful things."

"I wanted to share my Pop Secret with you."

"Illusion, Michael. A trick is something a whore does does for money" (sees shocked children) "or candy!"

EDIT: Forgot to mention the best ones:

"Maybe you could take a date?"
"How am I supposed to find someone willing to go into that musty old claptrap?"
[awkward pause]
"The cabin... yes! That would be difficult too!"

And the best Tobias line: "I'm afraid I prematurely shot my wad on what was supposed to be a dry run, if you will, so now I'm afraid I have something of a mess on my hands."
   93. Frisco Cali Posted: December 09, 2009 at 09:04 AM (#3407714)
Duh, Millers Crossing.

I find the difference of opinion on Scherzer fascinating.
   94. An Athletic in Powderhorn™ Posted: December 09, 2009 at 09:12 AM (#3407717)
Movies-schmovies. The best quotes come from television shows. Namely, Arrested Development and It's Always Sunny."


You've made a huge mistake. If you include TV shows, we're including Arrested Development, The Wire, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, 30 Rock, Veronica Mars, Doctor Who, Newsradio, Scrubs, and a plethora of other folks' favorite shows, which could run us another 200 posts. And that's why you don't bring up TV quotes on the internet. (Clearly you didn't get any J. Walter Weatherman lessons as a child.)

Edit:

"Illusion, Michael. A trick is something a whore does does for money" (sees shocked children) "or candy!"


I love this even more in the original version, where GOB says, "Or cocaine!"
   95. Walt Davis Posted: December 09, 2009 at 09:14 AM (#3407718)
getting back to the topic ...

The Yanks get a great deal here it seems to me.

The Tigers -- in a baseball sense it's not good but as a payroll dump I guess it's OK.

The D-Backs. I'm with those that think it's strange. Scherzer-Jackson looks like a probable loser from their perspective but a LOOGY, even if he's a good one, for a 5th starter is a trade I'll almost always make. What I expect the D-Backs to try to do is sign Jackson to a Webb/Haren style extension. Maybe not for Haren money (though that's not a lot) but that they'll try to jump early -- no later than midseason unless he stinks -- to get him wrapped up longer term at a "reasonable" price. I'll got out on a limb and say this means they won't resign Webb.
   96. puck Posted: December 09, 2009 at 09:50 AM (#3407721)
And that's just the first movie.


The only one I use anymore is this one, said in a horrible monotone voice:

"Stay on target...Stay On Target...STAY ON TARGET!"
   97. jyjjy Posted: December 09, 2009 at 09:54 AM (#3407722)
How is it possible that The Holy Grail hasn't been mentioned...?
I'm honestly shocked.
   98. Boxkutter Posted: December 09, 2009 at 09:59 AM (#3407723)
If we start quoting TV shows, I think props need to be given to maybe one of the most quotable TV characters ever written... Mr. Norm Peterson from Cheers.

"It's a dog-eat-dog world out there, Woody. And I'm wearing Milkbone underwear."

"Women. You can't live with 'em... Pass the beernuts."

But I do love me some Scrubs quotes.... EAGLE!!!!
   99. RollingWave Posted: December 09, 2009 at 10:00 AM (#3407724)
I guess Ian Kennedy would be a good test on the whole "NL is a the weaker league" theory. he is the epitome of the kind of guy that might do well in the NL after getting pwned in the AL.
   100. God Posted: December 09, 2009 at 10:58 AM (#3407726)
Here are the top five quotable movies IMO. No titles -- just a representative quote:

1. "I came to Casablanca for the waters." "But we're in the desert!" "I was misinformed."
2. "Aw, man. I just shot Marvin in the face!"
3. "There are a shortage of perfect breasts in this world. It would be a pity to ruin yours."
4. "He's a good man, and thorough."
5. "Luca Brasi sleeps with the fishes."

I'm shocked, shocked that it took 100 posts for anyone to suggest #2.

As for the most quotable TV show, the best way to avoid a thousand-post discussion on the topic is simply to link this video and this one. Case closed.
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