Baseball for the Thinking Fan

Login | Register | Feedback

You are here > Home > Transaction Oracle > Discussion
Transaction Oracle
— A Timely Look at Transactions as They Happen

Thursday, March 25, 2004

Houston Astros

Acquired 3B Mike Lamb from the New York Yankees for P Juan DeLeon.

DeLeon’s the standard A-ball relief prospect - decent stuff, a bit on the raw side, and not being counted on in the future.  That’s a fair price for Mike Lamb, one of the 3B acquired after the Boone injury that the Yankees no longer need.  Lamb will pinch-hit for the Astros and occasionally be used to screw

spell Morgan Ensberg based on the random urges of Jimy Williams.

Dan Szymborski Posted: March 25, 2004 at 09:29 PM | 4 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Related News:

Reader Comments and Retorts

Go to end of page

Statements posted here are those of our readers and do not represent the BaseballThinkFactory. Names are provided by the poster and are not verified. We ask that posters follow our submission policy. Please report any inappropriate comments.

Page 2 of 2 pages  < 1 2
   101. JRVJ (formerly Delta Socrates) Posted: January 13, 2004 at 01:47 AM (#571562)
One interesting tidbit about Clemens not-retiring after 2003 is that it means that Greg Maddux and Randy Johnson still have a moving target to catch in re: all time wins and Ks (respectively).

As of last count, Clemens is 21 wins ahead of Maddux, and 228 Ks ahead of Johnson.

Best case scenario, Maddux can catch Clemens in 2006 (but no sooner), and Johnson in 2005 (if he remains healthy all of 2004).
   102. Darren Posted: January 13, 2004 at 01:17 PM (#571563)
So are baseball writers going to shut up about how Clemens wouldn't pitch like that if he were in the National League and had to bat once in a while?

They may, but only if they find a better way to make him into the devil. Clemens hit 17 guys over the last 3 years, 4 less than Wood hit last year alone. But it hasn't changed anyone's perception of him. People who like him will continue to like him and people who hate him will continue to hate him.
   103. Edmundo Posted: January 13, 2004 at 10:15 PM (#571566)
Oh goodie, we get to hear more gushing over another Clemens retirement. The only thing that kept me from puking over Fox's deification of Roger last fall was that they played "Rocket 88" as the intro to his "last" start.
   104. Dudefella Posted: January 14, 2004 at 06:08 AM (#571568)
"Forget about juggling the schedule so Clemens only pitches at home or you think the Astros will juggle the schedule so that Clemens never has to go to bat against the Mets? Oh, baby - after one at bat against the Mets, he'll want to wear a batting helmet into the Hall of Fame!"

Eh? The Mets already had their crack, remember? Shawn Estes threw a pitch vaguely in his direction and that seemed to do it.

It could, I suppose, be argued that Estes had meant to hit Clemens and didn't have the control...
   105. Darren Posted: January 14, 2004 at 08:06 PM (#571570)
Ten years from now, we'll be saying this about two all time greats: Javy Vazquez and Kerry Wood of the 36-time champion YANKEES. Vazquez has the best fastball in the American League and Wood has it in the national. One's alreadt a Yankee, the other will be.

You think Clemens will still be active in 10 years? Seems unlikely.

Even if Clemens only pitches in 2004, you have to figure him for 4200+ Ks and 320+ wins. If Wood averages 250 Ks and 17 wins a year, he'll be 36 and 750 Ks and 91 wins short. At 230Ks/20 wins, Javy would be 36 with 800 Ks, and 56 wins short.

Those are very generous assumptions and those guys would still have to pitch fairly well into their late 30s to make it close. 36-time champion Yankees seems more likley.
   106. Darren Posted: January 17, 2004 at 02:10 AM (#571802)
Hopefully Jimy's smart enough to give Lane most of the 4th outfielder at-bats and keep Palmeiro's role more limited.

First the OF Jeremy Giambi line, then this. Dan, you are killing me tonight!
   107. Dan Szymborski Posted: January 17, 2004 at 04:58 AM (#571804)
One of the numbers in your second paragraph is the key.
   108. Dan Szymborski Posted: January 17, 2004 at 01:02 PM (#571807)
No, because Tangotiger and Nate Silver did the work for me :-). Yes, I did review last year's projections to see where things went wrong and see what I could learn. Pitching is more team-specific than last year and I think I'll do better.
   109. Dan Szymborski Posted: January 17, 2004 at 01:03 PM (#571808)
Oh, ZiPS was middle of the pack of the systems last year.
   110. Brian Posted: January 17, 2004 at 05:51 PM (#571810)
Dan- just curious if ZiPS projects the number of time OP will be facing LHP. Given his 3-year splits vs. RHP only, I find it a bit hard to believe that his numbers could be that low. However, if he gets ~100 of those AB's against LHP, I can see those numbers as realistic.
   111. Dan Szymborski Posted: January 17, 2004 at 06:40 PM (#571811)
Problem is that older rookies don't really get much playing time, because of what you say. However, there are always players that fall through the cracks for whatever reason. Take Henri Stanley - he's never been able to pick a team and there's no way the Astros should have ever played him over Hidalgo and Berkman and there was no way they were going to let Biggio go. Or Lew Ford since the Minnesota Twins have this plan to keep every outfield prospect forever without trading them or using them.
   112. Darren Posted: January 18, 2004 at 04:28 PM (#571814)

And it wasn't just good defenders. Lewis, IIRC, was pretty mediocre with the glove toward the end there. There are some others that I think I've blocked out.
   113. Brian Posted: January 19, 2004 at 01:40 PM (#571816)
Brents right about the defensive replacements. Hunter got some time early in the year in CF, but that was about it. Blum was used as a defensive replacement for Ensberg occasionally, although if you look at their numbers, Ensberg was just as good.
   114. jwb Posted: January 23, 2004 at 02:37 AM (#571818)
Here's a list of NL "most regular" center fielders, ordered by innings in CF:
   115. RickG Posted: January 28, 2004 at 01:06 AM (#572101)
I know they've picked up at least Orlando Palmeiro and now Dave the real key to winning the NL Central getting as many Cardinal castoffs as possible?
   116. Clyde Posted: March 25, 2004 at 09:36 PM (#573027)
Is Lamb really that bad? Certainly a more palatable option than Geoff Blum.
   117. SM in DC Posted: March 25, 2004 at 10:00 PM (#573028)
So Mike Lamb cost the Yankees Jose Garcia but netted them Juan DeLeon ...

Garcia, appeared in 25 games (mostly in the low-A Midwest League) whiffing 104 and walking 37 in 157 innings. He allowed 44 earned runs and 10 homers.

DeLeon appeared in 26 games, logging just 39.1 innings in the Sally League. His K/BB ratio was less spectacular than Garcia's (46/22) and he allowed three homers and eight earned runs in his time in Lexington.

Garcia is also younger (22 versus 23).

Overall this looks like a loss for New York.
   118. Hendry's Wad of Cash (UCCF) Posted: March 25, 2004 at 10:06 PM (#573029)
C'mon Jimy... Proven veteran...

You just know you want to give Lamb 450 ABs this year.
   119. Shiny Beast Posted: March 26, 2004 at 01:42 AM (#573032)
My first thoughts upon hearing of this were "Whither Ensberg?", as well. They have been looking for a LH bat off the bench and infield reserve, so Lamb is okay for that (I heard they are mainly thinking of him to occasionally spell Bagwell at 1B. If he's a suck-ass fielder, no way Jimy plays him. That's my hope, anyway.

DeLeon was one of those guys who aged 3 years and changed names recently. Also got suspended last year for "conduct unbecoming a (wannabe) Astro," whatever that means. Actually, I'd really like to know.
Page 2 of 2 pages  < 1 2

You must be Registered and Logged In to post comments.



<< Back to main

BBTF Partner

Dynasty League Baseball

Support BBTF


Thanks to
Ray (CTL)
for his generous support.


You must be logged in to view your Bookmarks.


Page rendered in 0.1821 seconds
41 querie(s) executed