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Sunday, April 04, 2004

Los Angeles Dodgers

Acquired OF Milton Bradley from the Cleveland Indians for OF Franklin Gutierrez.

The Dodgers needed a hitter, so that’s what they went out and got.  Bradley’s not Bonds material, but the Dodgers offense was so bad last year that marginal offensive runs have nifty value and it’s not like Juan E’s arrival was going to be a huge help.

The Indians didn’t come out of this empty-handed, far from it, despite their announcement that they had to trade Milton before the season started.  Gutierrez is a very interesting prospect with a lot of talent.  282/345/513 isn’t jaw-dropping, but a 20-year-old doing that in Vero Beach is mighty impressive.  He had a great cup of coffee in AA ball and should start there this year.  Young outfield depth is a plus for the Indians, so they won’t surh him.

Dan Szymborski Posted: April 04, 2004 at 09:07 PM | 21 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   201. NTNgod Posted: December 14, 2003 at 03:36 AM (#569920)
Well, the Giants do have this A.J. something-or-other guy now...
   202. NTNgod Posted: December 14, 2003 at 05:18 AM (#569921)
Dodgers have already offered 2yr/8mil to their newest OF, so sayeth Mike Bernadino...
   203. NTNgod Posted: December 14, 2003 at 06:00 AM (#569923)
The Marlins get something decent if he signs, and if he gets non-tendered they get a 30 year old AAA-backup or something...
   204. Dan Szymborski Posted: December 14, 2003 at 02:32 PM (#569924)
You would think the Marlins would get a better player if the Dodgers *did* non-tender Encarnacion since that result is a better end for the boys in blue.
   205. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: December 14, 2003 at 04:31 PM (#569925)
I wouldn't be shocked to see Encarnacion go totally Guillen on the league some year, though with a move to LA, I wouldn't place any money on it being this particular year. He's got pretty good physical skills, he was promoted to the big leagues a bit too soon, and he looks to have added some power and cut his K-rate slightly last year.
   206. Old Matt Posted: December 15, 2003 at 05:05 PM (#569926)
LA Times seems to indicate that the Dodgers may trade Encarnacion away before he ever plays for them. In a deal to get someone who could actually help their offense. Hopefully.
   207. Joe Morgan Posted: December 15, 2003 at 09:15 PM (#570244)
Encarnacion was a member of the World Series champion Florida Marlins this past season. That makes him one of the 25 best players in the world, not counting Tony Perez.
   208. Lester Posted: December 15, 2003 at 09:31 PM (#570246)
I don't like this deal for the Dodgers, but if Encarnacion can play an adequate CF, it's not a total disaster. If the Dodgers play him at a corner OF position, this sucks.
   209. David Jones Posted: December 15, 2003 at 09:55 PM (#570248)
Dear God, what an awful signing. Is Syd Thrift running the Dodgers these days?
   210. The Artist Posted: December 15, 2003 at 10:39 PM (#570249)
David- how the hell did you usurp those words from my dreams ?
   211. Dan Szymborski Posted: December 15, 2003 at 11:13 PM (#570251)
David's one of the Dream Police.
   212. The Artist Posted: December 15, 2003 at 11:18 PM (#570252)
Dan, if this particular dream comes true, I have visions of Mota traded for Hammonds- and my favorite- the David Segui long term deal signing... :D
   213. The Artist Posted: December 15, 2003 at 11:18 PM (#570253)
Dan, if this particular dream comes true, I have visions of Mota traded for Hammonds- and my favorite- the David Segui long term deal signing... :D
   214. Old Matt Posted: December 16, 2003 at 10:03 PM (#570256)
They also announced that they resigned Wilson Alvarez. I can't believe this guy has actually completely turned things around, but we'll see. I have a feeling he has stock in Smoke & Mirrors, Inc.
   215. Old Matt Posted: December 16, 2003 at 10:04 PM (#570257)
Also, the Encarnacion deal is a savvy signing because it's heavily backloaded: 3.5 mil this year, 4.5 mil next year.
   216. Lester Posted: December 16, 2003 at 11:06 PM (#570258)
I read today that the Reds and Dodgers have been discussing trades involving Adam Dunn. The rumor was that the Dodgers offered Beltre for Dunn, and the Reds countered with Edwin Jackson for Dunn. Please let this happen.
   217. Noffs Posted: December 18, 2003 at 05:56 AM (#570259)
Beltre for Dunn? The Reds would have to be out of their minds to do that. E-Jax for Dunn is intriguing though...
   218. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: January 07, 2004 at 06:21 AM (#571085)
If Green's not 100%, Trammell could wind up with a lot of PT. As such, he's a sensible insurance signing.
   219. Red Man Posted: January 07, 2004 at 07:45 AM (#571086)
Sensible to sign him, but that 1.8 mill seems to be about a mill higher than the market for bench corner outfielder. Will be interesting to see how much the Dodgers are actually paying on this one.
   220. fracas' hope springs eternal Posted: January 07, 2004 at 10:22 AM (#571088)
My understanding is that the 1.85M doesn't represent Bubba's contract with the Dodgers, really. It's the settlement negotiated between MLB and the MLBPA for the remainder of his Yankee contract (which would have been 2.5M for 2004 if he'd stayed contentedly with the team). The Yankees are on the hook for all of that money and so, like a player who's been waived, his new team only owes him the major league minimum.

This is therefore a pretty good deal for the Dodgers even if he only pinch hits, and he's capable of doing more than that.
   221. Eli Hungerford: Cityboy Crypto-Elitist for hire Posted: January 07, 2004 at 03:10 PM (#571089)
ESPN says the Dodger's are only picking up the league minimumm ($300,000) for this one, with the grievance pay making up the rest.
   222. fracas' hope springs eternal Posted: January 08, 2004 at 11:09 AM (#571093)
Inquisitive --
   223. Noffs Posted: January 10, 2004 at 10:23 PM (#571094)
fracas, it was actually $4.75M. $2.5M was his salary from last year. So the Yanks saved a bundle. And, Bubba Trammell is about the cheapest lefty-masher you'll find, making him an excellent NL bench man.
   224. Tony B Posted: January 10, 2004 at 10:55 PM (#571095)
"Of course, I don't know what Ventura'll do if that happens."

Sit on the bench, where he belongs.
   225. Darren Posted: January 17, 2004 at 01:44 AM (#571782)
Signed OF Jeremy Giambi...

Stop, my sides, they're killing me. Oh, I can't take it, you're too much.

Nice projections though.
   226. Darren Posted: January 17, 2004 at 02:09 AM (#571784)
How could I forget?
   227. VegasRobb Posted: January 17, 2004 at 03:34 AM (#571788)
Two useful pick ups. I wonder after they see Giambi in the OF that the plans for Green moving to first will be scrapped.
   228. fables of the deconstruction Posted: January 19, 2004 at 02:39 AM (#571794)
Guys, I am working hard with Glenallen Hill to improve my OF skills. I will be ready come Opening Day!


I'll be here to mock your every move. OH... I forgot. You don't move, you're statuesque! :-) ...

   229. Bill Posted: January 30, 2004 at 05:26 PM (#572212)
Lima was hurting before *at least* a couple of those pre-DL starts, FWIW. I completely understand folks skepticism, but anybody who saw how magic he was this season before the injury will hope Jose can find that there's still some lightning left in the bottle. At any rate it's a worthwhile, low-risk signing for the Dodgers...and I say all this as a Royals and Giants fan.
   230. Matthew E Posted: March 30, 2004 at 03:24 PM (#573207)
It's almost like the Jays refuse to carry a backup outfielder who can catch the ball.
   231. Golfing Great Mitch Cumstein Posted: March 30, 2004 at 04:26 PM (#573177)
Does anyone know why Grabowski had so few AB's (~500) over the last two years?
   232. Danny Posted: March 30, 2004 at 05:07 PM (#573178)
The A's have a number of players that could help MLB teams that are not likely to make the A's. The loser of the Duchscherer/Harville battle, Edwards, Rose, and Koonce could all be traded in the next week. Koonce and Rose still have options left, but they may not see much playing time in AAA with Brown and Johnson moving up.
   233. Too Much Coffee Man Posted: March 30, 2004 at 06:14 PM (#573180)
I'm also curious about why he hasn't played much at the major league level. I had heard he was being kept at AAA last year to learn to catch, but he didn't do much of that w/ Sacramento.
   234. The Other Kurt Posted: March 30, 2004 at 06:25 PM (#573181)
Grabowski has NEVER had a position. He has plaed catcher, infield and outfield since his little league days. Says he wants to make the show any which way he can.

He didn't get playing time because the A's are overloaded with AAAA talent, and it was other guys getting the major league ABs.
   235. The Other Kurt Posted: March 30, 2004 at 06:48 PM (#573182)
Here are a couple pieces about the fellow: article article

Remeber that over the last two years when Grabowski was hanging around witht he A's they have had Greg Myers (2002) and Adam Melhuse (2003) as AAAA lefty catchers, who hit quite well in their limited time. There wasn't much need for Grabowski.

He should be quite usefull at the major league level, there just wasn't room in Oakland. Especially in LA, where a (potentially) league average lefty bat could be a significant improvement.
   236. The Other Kurt Posted: March 30, 2004 at 06:53 PM (#573183)
Just to make it three in a row...

...I forgot to mention the following lefties around the diamond holding Grabowski back: Chavez at 3B, Hatteberg and Durazo at 1B, Long, Singleton, and McMillon in the OF. That's why he wasn't gettting the ABs.
   237. Michael Posted: March 30, 2004 at 07:25 PM (#573184)
Grabowski also had a shin injury last year, iirc, explaining some of his low at bat totals.

Not a star, but a potentially useful player. Especially for the Dodgers, who had no lefthander on the bench. Plus Grabowski (and now Jayson Werth) can be an emergency catcher, allowing Tracy to use Lo Duca or Ross as pinchhitters, if need be. Basically, he adds significantly to the Dodger bench.
   238. Michael Posted: March 30, 2004 at 07:28 PM (#573209)
Yeah, he's somebody who could just be a backup, or who could even slide into the starting lineup if Roberts gets injured. Also, if Tracy wants to go with a right handed lineup it could be Werth in left and Encarnacion in center.

Last year was probably the first healthy one Frasor's had since his surgery, and he looked very good. But he was going to be the #2 or 3 reliever for the Dodgers in AAA (behind Colyer and possibly Brazoban) so he was tradeable. He has three options left, so the Jays should get good use out of him for the next few years at least.
   239. MM1f Posted: March 31, 2004 at 12:22 AM (#573211)
Jeremy, he's 6-foot 6. While I havent ever seen him catch, that has to make it difficult. He is, however, a fine defensive OF.

Also hes a Springfield, IL area guy so I have to root for him.
   240. JMM Posted: March 31, 2004 at 02:16 AM (#573186)
Danny wrote:
   241. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: March 31, 2004 at 01:08 PM (#573213)
He only comments on the transactions that interest him. Apparently, the Urbina signing doesn't. If you'd like to say something about it, there's a perfectly good thread over in Clutch Hits devoted to the subject.

I think the Jays could've gotten more for Werth, but this might be a payoff for some other past/future favor, so I guess it's understandable on that level.
   242. Charlie O Posted: March 31, 2004 at 06:31 PM (#573188)
Michael is correct. Grabowski was on the disabled list from July 1st to August 24th with a shin contusion.
   243. Dan Szymborski Posted: April 01, 2004 at 04:51 AM (#573218)
He only comments on the transactions that interest him. Apparently, the Urbina signing doesn't.


It's been a bit spottier lately. With the new site stuff and previews to look over and projections to double-check, I've been a bit hit-and miss.
   244. Michael Posted: April 04, 2004 at 03:41 PM (#573327)
As a Dodger fan, I thought they would be better off keeping Cabrera and using both Jose Hernandez and Cabrera off of the bench. That would have entailed cutting Saenz, who I'm not high on. If Saenz hits though (as DePodesta seems convinced will happen) then it makes sense to dump Cabrera for two decent pitching prospects, one of whom makes up for the minor league relieving depth traded earlier this week, the other an intriguing starting prospect (Ketchner had 159 ks, 33 walks, and 10 hrs in 157 innings in the California League).

The Romano for Antonio Perez trade is a big win for the Dodgers, imo. Perez gives the Dodgers depth in middle infielders in AAA, and if Cora flounders again with the bat may become the Dodger starting 2b by this summer. Romano had a nice spring, but over the past few years basically looked like a decent backup - and the Dodgers had traded for a better one earlier this week. In effect, they've traded Jason Frasor for an upgrade in backup outfielders and Antonio Perez, which is an excellent trade.
   245. ColonelTom Posted: April 04, 2004 at 04:00 PM (#573328)
For your daily dose of stupidity, click the homepage link for L.A. Times columnist T.J. Simers' take on these deals.
   246. Cowboy Popup Posted: April 04, 2004 at 04:52 PM (#573329)
Who is T.J. Simers and why is he allowed to write? I have never, ever read a more arrogant article ever. And I used to read Mike Lupica frequently. That was awful. Anyway, Bpro seems to think Perez will at least be a good player in PeCota. He's also their player of the day. Anyway, Depo has done a great job getting so cheap talent, but he even managed to get more arms to trade too. That's just ill.
   247. Dr. Vaux Posted: April 04, 2004 at 07:49 PM (#573335)
Did the Dodgers just win the NL West?

Encarnacion, Bradley, Green, Beltre, LoDuca isn't *that* bad as an offensive core... and to think I got excited for a second.
   248. Bernal Diaz has an angel on his shoulder Posted: April 04, 2004 at 09:19 PM (#573366)
"surh"? huh?
   249. The definitely immoral Eric Enders Posted: April 04, 2004 at 09:31 PM (#573368)
Tracy has already said unequivocally that Green will not be switched around this year -- that he will play one position all year. The one position will probably be right field. Which is fine, since Dave Roberts is an iffy regular but a great fourth outfielder.

I guess it all comes down to a question of whether you'd rather have Roberts or Ventura in the lineup. I'd say Roberts, especially since without him the Dodgers lack anything resembling a leadoff hitter. (Actually, Bradley would be the closest thing to it.)

I'm still waiting for the Graham Koonce trade so we can dump Ventura.
   250. The definitely immoral Eric Enders Posted: April 04, 2004 at 09:37 PM (#573337)
Cabrera's not a good player

Since when is someone who plays seven positions and puts up a 105 OPS+ not a good player?

He ain't the second coming of Babe Ruth, but he is an excellent player and a commodity of some value.

That said, I'm still happy with this trade from L.A.'s perspective.
   251. The definitely immoral Eric Enders Posted: April 04, 2004 at 10:14 PM (#573339)
the Dodgers are putting together a major league offense

I wouldn't go overboard just yet. It's starting to resemble one, but it ain't there yet, not by a long shot.
   252. Michael Posted: April 04, 2004 at 11:01 PM (#573341)
It has been a good week, depending on the players to be named going to the Indians and the Tigers. The more I see about Ross, the more I like him. It's very possible that three of the opening day 2005 starters for the Dodgers were picked up this week with Bradley, Ross, and Perez.

For this season, things still need to go right for the Dodgers, but their offense could be up to snuff again. If Bradley plays close to as well as last season, but without the injuries, and Green (who apparently will play first) rebounds, and Encarnacion does okay, and the catching combo stays fresh (more likely now that Lo Duca will get real days off, instead of playing first) and Beltre can hit for a full season, the Dodgers should be solid offensively. A lot of ifs, but today at least the odds went down appreciably.
   253. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: April 04, 2004 at 11:19 PM (#573372)
Smart pickup for the Dodgers, hard to evaluate Cleveland's end without knowing who the PTBNL is.
   254. Neil Posted: April 04, 2004 at 11:20 PM (#573373)
I'm actually tempted to think that #4 was really Jim Duquette...
   255. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: April 04, 2004 at 11:22 PM (#573342)
Looks to me like a good start for DePo.
   256. K. Andrew Smith Posted: April 05, 2004 at 12:48 AM (#573374)
Hijack: What about the Cedeno trade? Does it warrant an Oracle entry?
   257. Sam M. Posted: April 05, 2004 at 12:59 AM (#573375)
Yes, it does. And, what do you know -- it has one! ;-)
   258. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: April 05, 2004 at 01:34 AM (#573376)
Malcontents Who Could Hit in Chavez Ravine:
   259. K. Andrew Smith Posted: April 05, 2004 at 02:47 AM (#573378)
Ok, so color me an idiot.
   260. Jimbo Jones Posted: April 05, 2004 at 05:08 PM (#573344)
Eric, the 105 represents a career year, in fact, a particularly anomalous one that seems quite unlikely to be repeated. His career OPS+ is 72, which suggests he's no Quinton McCracken (81).

Actually, I was wondering what people thought of the quality of his defense at various positions. No question this trade is stupid, but it could help the M's a little this year if his defense is strong enough.
   261. Michael Posted: April 05, 2004 at 07:07 PM (#573345)
Jimbo, Cabrera's defense in the outfield is good. At second it's average basically. He can play short and third, but I wouldn't want him to do it for very long, especially short.

That was a big part of the reason why he was traded. The Dodgers picked up Jose Hernandez as a nri this offseason, and he can actually play shortstop for an extended period, and his average offense is better than Cabrera's too. Plus Hernandez wouldn't have gotten the Dodgers two pitching prospects.
   262. Lester Posted: April 05, 2004 at 09:54 PM (#573384)
Green is starting at 1B today, with Roberts in left and Encarnacion in right. I'm happy about picking up Bradley, but I sincerely hope we did not give up Gutierrez and Hanrahan. That would be too much to give up for a high-risk, high-reward guy like Bradley.
   263. Michael Posted: April 06, 2004 at 04:29 AM (#573349)
I don't buy that Aaron. Besides the unlikelihood of him having a year with the stick as good as he had last year, he also is nowhere near as good defensively as Cora. For instance, last year Cora turned .914 double plays per 9 defensive innings, while Cabrera turned .624. If Cabrera had played all of Cora's innings while fielding at his usual level, that would have been a difference of over 35 double plays. That's a huge difference, and makes up the offensive differences between the two.

Now it could be argued that Cabrera would improve defensively with more regular playing time, although it's unlikely that the improvement would be that huge. But even if Cabrera improved some defensively, he is likely to regress offensively, and Cora is likely to improve at least some from his off year - and if not, well, the Dodgers traded for a second baseman likely to be better than either of them anyway.
   264. Ronnie Dobbs Posted: April 06, 2004 at 06:11 AM (#573386)
Gold Star for Robot Boy?

That's my move!

Seriously though, one of the great songs of all time.
   265. PanRains Posted: April 06, 2004 at 04:21 PM (#573387)
Thomas (post # 20)

I think that list is dead on. The only name that springs to mind as a possible addition is Chuck Tiffany. The June 30th date suggests to me that at least 1 2003 draftee is on the list; I believe Andy LaRoche signed later in the summer so I assume he's not on it.

If the PTBNL is one of these three (or four) this is a very good deal. I was worried that the Indians would wind up with Duchscherer or something like that (and I like Duchsherer) but this is a good talent haul. Plus it gives Escobar an opportunity to be play most everyday at the major league level, while also allowing Crisp to get some time aas a 4th OF.

From what I've read, Shapiro seems to suggest that DePodesta made the offer on Sunday, but it seems... prescient that he had just traded two AA outfielders in the last week.

The fact that Shapiro was able to generate this sort of a talent haul when he had to trade Bradley, combined with getting the Mets to pay (reportedly) over $1 million for Ricky Gutierrez, I think bodes well for the possibility of getting rid of Lawton, and/or getting something for Omar (if he waives his no-trade). I realize there are other GMs with more of a history of success, but I don't know that I'd want any other GM for my favorite team.
   266. Toolsy McClutch Posted: April 06, 2004 at 05:04 PM (#573350)
Wow, I actually got the reference to 21, though that's probably because I just watched Seasons 1, 2 AND the movie in the past few monthes.
   267. Matthew Rich Posted: April 06, 2004 at 05:11 PM (#573388)
With Bradley gone though, I don't really see the rush to trade Lawton at this point. AFAIK the only guys guaranteed money for next season are Sabathia and Lawton, and I don't expect Sizemore (or Cooper or Gutierrez) to outperform him in 2005. So why not hang on to Lawton? He's not a great player, but it's not like his salary is going to hamstring the team this offseason, and I think it's pretty clear that the team is better off with him in the lineup than with yet another prospect in Akron. I'm all for playing the young guys, but at a certain point you have to field a competitive major league team, which means having at least a couple of players who have more than 500 ABs in the bigs.
   268. PanRains Posted: April 06, 2004 at 06:28 PM (#573389)

Good point, and one I probably failed to consider, as I have been in such a ?Trade Lawton? place for the last few months (years?). While being in that place, I also envisioned Bradley as being a part of your 2005 Indians.

Now that I?ve given it more thought, I still think that there?s value in trading Lawton, assuming we get enough financial relief back. And I feel that way for two reasons:

1) Finances. For the sake of argument, let?s say at the 2004 trading deadline Shapiro trades Lawton for a 26 year old backup A ball catcher. The Tribe picks up all of Lawton?s 2004 salary, while the acquiring team agrees to pay all of his 2005 salary (as an aside ? is this realistic? Dunno, but probably depends on how well Lawton plays this year). Net gain to the Indians - $ 7 M in 2005, money that can be used to sign a Free Agent this offseason.

2) We still have some OFs that can use the time in LF, and would benefit from the experience. Escobar, Crisp, Ludwick, Luis Garcia, and Sizemore come to mind ? one of whom will have to be the starting CF for the remainder of the year. Now if all of these names are struggling in Buffalo or Cleveland or are hurt, I wouldn?t leap into trading Lawton; I also wouldn?t trade Lawton and say, pick up 13 of the 14 million still owed to him. But if my situation manifests itself ? and assuming Lawton is healthy (big assumption) I think it?s likely ? I would make the trade. The acquiring team ? for $7M ? gets 1.5 seasons out of a pretty decent OF, with very good on base skills and decent pop.

I feel the same way about trading Vizquel, although I realize there are some PR implications to th
   269. PanRains Posted: April 06, 2004 at 06:33 PM (#573390)
Apparently I'm an idiot. This is how that last sentence was supposed to read:

I feel the same way about trading Vizquel, although I realize there are some PR implications to that; Peralta or Phillips would have to be doing awesome in Buffalo.

I know you were all on the edge of your seats wondering about that.
   270. Matthew Rich Posted: April 06, 2004 at 06:42 PM (#573391)
I believe Luis Garcia is no longer with the organization. I think he was released and signed on with... Arizona maybe? Anyway, he sucked. And clearly Ludwick can't be counted on as an everyday outfielder. I'm fine with having Crisp, Escobar, and Gerut rotate through 2 outfield spots for the rest of the season. At some point, one of them is going to get hurt and if you don't have Lawton, you're forced to call up one of the youngsters. Not saying it would be the worst thing in the world to bring up Sizemore or Cooper this season, but I wouldn't want that to be my only option in case they weren't quite ready.
   271. Rouglas Odor Eaters Posted: April 06, 2004 at 08:47 PM (#573392)
I think dealing Lawton would be a viable option only if Crisp, Escobar, and Gerut show they belong at the major league level, two of them as starters. Sizemore's performance is also important, but if he's hitting 310 in July with Gutierrez and Cooper ready for a move to Buffalo, Lawton should be moved.

Omar I think is untouchable, unless the team has tanked by the deadline and fans are simply apathetic. That's obviously not a good thing--I really wish he hadn't screwed up his physical. Guillen isn't any worse and makes like 40% of Purple Suit Man.
   272. Rouglas Odor Eaters Posted: April 06, 2004 at 08:52 PM (#573393)
I forgot, LaRoche signed August 14th, Tiffany August 6th, so scratch them. I think it'll be Hanrahan, Billingsley, and either Paul or Delwyn Young.
   273. Ben Posted: April 06, 2004 at 09:18 PM (#573394)
When Ludwick is healthy, there's definitely more than enough reason to trade Lawton for nothing. I'd pick up as much of his salary as necessary. Yes, he was a good player 3 years ago, but while I expect a bounceback to respectability, I think his days of ~.400 OBPs are gone. .370/.420 has value, but in an injury prone and expensive package? With outfield options coming out of our ears?

Rotating Ludwick-Escobar-Crisp through one outfield spot is unreasonable, and Sizemore-Gutierrez-Cooper are going to be knocking on the door awfully soon. Corey Smith is still a horrible defensive thirdbaseman, and he might need to be moved to the outfield. After Aubrey is ready, we might want to put Broussard in the outfield.

I personally expect three of Crisp/Sizemore/Escobar/Gerut/Ludwick/Smith/Cooper/Gutierrez/Broussard to be better than Lawton by 2005. Lawton remaining in the lineup now hurts our ability to figure out which three.

Trading Lawton nowish would be for Crisp/Escobar/Ludwick. We need to find out if they can really play, because we've got 2 great outfield prospects inbound. Lawton eats ABs that could provide valuable information.
   274. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: April 06, 2004 at 09:58 PM (#573351)
It's Twin Peaks, isn't it?
   275. Randal Posted: April 06, 2004 at 10:27 PM (#573352)
"That's a huge difference, and makes up the offensive differences between the two."

You've got to be kidding!

Cabrera .770 OPS 105 OPS+
   276. Michael Posted: April 06, 2004 at 11:50 PM (#573353)
No, I'm not kidding. Cora was vastly better defensively than Cabrera last year. If Cora had fielded like Cabrera, there would have been 35 fewer dps turned. How much is each extra dp worth? A single each? Somewhere around there anyway. Add 35 singles to Cora's total and he hits .323/.356/.411, as opposed to Cabrera's .282/.332/.438 - definite edge to Cora. And that's before factoring in the rest of their defense, and factoring in that Cabrera faced a greater percentage of lefties than he would have as a fulltime player.

Even if you downgrade the value of Cora's defense, it still was huge. Cabrera is a fine utility player, but he really doesn't field well enough to be a regular middle infielder, at least as far as I've seen.
   277. Michael Posted: April 07, 2004 at 04:02 AM (#573355)
Yes, turning double plays is a skill. Like many skills, it's dependent on other factors also, in this case, the skill of the shortstop matters also, opportunities matter. But these were likely the same for each. FWIW, Cora's career average is .880 per 9 innings. 2002 was seemingly an aberration - his performance before (in small samples) was .865 per 9 innings.

So in terms of Cabrera and Cora, we have Cora with a down year at the bat still being as valuable as Cabrera, having a career year, thanks to defense. And I trust Cora's defense to be as good going forward more than I trust Cabrera's offense to stay as high. For that matter, I expect Cora's offense to be at least a little improved - not that that's saying very much.

Not that EITHER should be a long term solution at second. I'm hoping that Antonio Perez gets off to a good start in Vegas and gets a shot. The scouts say he is very good defensively at second, although I don't think he showed it last year in his fairly brief opportunity.
   278. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: April 09, 2004 at 09:46 PM (#573396)
I think it'll be Hanrahan, Billingsley, and either Paul or Delwyn Young.

I hope it's not Paul Young...I hated that damn "Everytime You Go Away" song.
   279. Michael Posted: April 13, 2004 at 03:03 AM (#573356)
An addendum to the trade. Looper had to be removed from the Dodgers 40 man roster to make room for Milton Bradley. The Dodgers ended up trading Looper back to the Mariners for Glenn Bott, a 22 year old junkballing lefty starter prospect who started the season in AA. Has struck out a batter an inning in his pro career with good control and few hrs allowed. Excellent command but no overpowering pitches. Not as advanced as Looper, who was ready to help the bullpen when injuries struck, but not a bad prospect. His realistic high end is probably that of a solid 4th starter, at least in the relative near term.
   280. Jimbo Jones Posted: April 13, 2004 at 02:20 PM (#573357)
This makes the trade look better for the M's, although I'm convinced it was sheer luck on Bavasi's part. I'd rather have Bott and Ketchner in my organization than Cabrera, but it is true that neither of them are likely to make the majors. Looper, on the other hand, is an MLB ready reliever, ready to step in in six weeks when the brain trust figures out that Jarvis/Myers/Villone are Giovanni Carrera-esque wastes of space.
   281. MM1f Posted: April 14, 2004 at 04:56 PM (#573360)
"But C'mon guys. What is Bavasi thinking?"

C'mon M's fans, I realize they may be overpaying here but for the longest while the complaint against the Ms was that they were too stingy with their stable of solid minor league arms. Now they deal some of the lesser ones and they get shot at, although not wholly undeservingly.
   282. MM1f Posted: April 14, 2004 at 04:57 PM (#573361)
I probably shouldn't post before I finish my coffee, but I hope y'all get my point anyways.
   283. Jimbo Jones Posted: April 16, 2004 at 10:32 PM (#573362)

I'd rather see the M's hoard their arms than trade them for replacement level players (especially if they refuse to play the replacement level player over a below replacement level one).

By why do you (and Eric, and others) insist on evaluating Cabrera based on last year alone? Why do you ignore the rest of his record? At the age of 31, in almost 1000 plate appearences, he's posted a career OPS+ of 71--including his pretty good performance last year. Good and flexible defense is necessary for him to attain the level of replacement player.
   284. Jimbo Jones Posted: April 16, 2004 at 10:53 PM (#573363)
Of course, you do acknowledge this, but dismiss the signifigance. Should've been clearer.
   285. Michael Posted: April 21, 2004 at 05:42 PM (#573365)
And Cabrera is 0-10 with a hbp. Meanwhile, Ketchner has started three times for Jacksonville (Dodgers' AA affiliate) and in 16.1 innings has 17 ks, 5 walks, 0 hrs and an ERA of 1.10. Small samples, but the Dodgers are pleased with the trade - especially since Jose Hernandez has played well for them.
   286. akrasian Posted: May 19, 2004 at 05:36 PM (#634958)
The player to be named turned out to be Andrew Brown. He has 58 ks, 14 bbs, and 5 hrs allowed in 40.1 innings pitched. Great arm when healthy (as he is now) but he only threw 1 inning last season because of bone chips in his elbow. (and had missed another year a few years back with TJ surgery). A high risk, high reward pick for the Indians.
   287. Ben Posted: May 19, 2004 at 06:15 PM (#635060)
I like the PTBNL pick. Hanrahan is off to an OK start at AAA and we could certainly use the help, but 54Ks in 40IP can't be overlooked.

I'm guessing Billingsley wasn't on the list, because we would've taken him if he was.
Hanrahan, Brown, and like Delwyn Young or Abercrombie.
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