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Transaction Oracle— A Timely Look at Transactions as They Happen
Saturday, July 16, 2005
Marlins - Acquired Money
Florida Marlins - Reportedly have saved $ 400,000 in return for giving the New York Yankees the “rights” to Al Leiter.
It’s being reported that the Yankees will send $250,000 along with paying the pro-rated minimum,w which makes the Marlins still pay $7.6 million of Leiter’s contract for the season. However, I’d rather pay $7.6 million without Leiter than pay $8 million and have him. It’s hard not to see the Marlins as the winners here since Leiter’s probably got as much a chance at being useful for the Yankees this year as Andy Hawkins or Bob Turley do. On the plus side, Leiter’s future shellings will give the NY papers lots of ammunition for pun-filled headlines to go along with Mayday Darrell (Leiter up! uh…Leiter is the wound forseen!).
2005 ZiPS Projection - Al Leiter
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Period W L G GS IP H ER HR BB SO ERA
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Actual ‘05 3 7 17 16 80 88 59 9 60 52 6.64
Rest ‘05 3 4 13 13 71 77 46 9 42 45 5.83
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Total ‘05 6 11 30 29 151 165 105 18 102 97 6.26
Dan Szymborski
Posted: July 16, 2005 at 08:33 PM | 71 comment(s)
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1. Hendry's Wad of Cash (UCCF) Posted: July 16, 2005 at 08:57 PM (#1477210)this Red.
this guy's reign.
this, this, and this empire.
this fad.
this species, and
this era.
I mean, he's really done.
Altought Leiter seems like he can handle the pressure of New York better, at least May gives you innings, Leiter shouldn't average more than 4 innings a start in the AL.
It is a sign of a refined, high-quality sense of humor that one does NOT get a dumb pun. I, for one, am impressed, levski. ;-)
Hey, I'm not done!
(or Dunn or Donne)
Silly Yankees. Below replacement level pitchers are for Devil Rays.
I'm not entirely certain Al Leiter is capable of out-pitching Eddie Money nowadays.
Take me home tonight!
I don't want to let you go til you see the light! er... Leiter!
In other words, is Leiter fluid...?
Al is so money and doesn't he know it.
Well, I said tell me Marlins, what's wrong with you?
From this day on our romance is through
I said, tell me Marlins, face to face
How could another lefty take my place?
They said,
Money, honey.
I hate Al Leiter, which makes him the logical Yankee acquisition I suppose. I was hoping against hope it would be Chacon, as I don't despise him.
************
The Marlins are the laughingstocks here--sure, they weasled out of some of the burden, but that's a helluva big buy out for a world class
s-cum bucket, cheap ass of an owner to have to pay. They never should have paid him that in the beginning.
I think the list is up to 12 or 13, although I'm starting to come around on Ruben Sierra.
And what is this fascination with Brien Taylor that just never ceases? He was drafted fourteen years ago! Somehow I don't think people are going to be making Colt Griffin cracks 10 years from now - especially considering they don't even make them now.
The drafting/signing of Taylor crippled the Yankees so much that they've won four world championships since then. So why Brien Taylor? For crying out loud, at least move on to Drew Henson.
Unlike Dan and some others, I see nothing but upside.
How much is Kevin Brown making per start? Leiter for $400k brings fairly low expectations for me.
And if, for some strange reason, he pitches well, the Yankees will have another team paying someone to perform instead of the other way around.
As long as the Yanks have this on a short short leash, it's a small price to pay for the chance of a revival. Similar to Boone on the Twins.
If they run him out for the rest of the year based on his celebrity and past accomplishments alone, then it's stupid.
I suppose when the other option is more Redding, giving Leiter a chance isn't so bad...
Maybe because Henson, at least nominally, was a 3B and Taylor was a pitcher?
Shouldn't the Yankees be trolling for veteran minor leaguers who have "outs" on their minor league deals? At least you don't have to worry about how to clean up the mess around the mound when the pitcher's arm falls off.
Technically, this applies to Christy Mathweson too. And I'd venture to guess that the Yankees would get more use out of his desiccated corpse than they'll get out of the huge star formerly known as Al Leiter.
David Wells couldn't get the fork out of Leiter if Wells was dying of hunger and surrounded by cheesecake.
Regardless of how Leiter pitches, please be aware that his insights into how to properly manage a baseball franchise will be an incredible asset to the Yankees. Honestly, there is no means of effectively conveying the true value of Al Leiter's, senator emeritus, contribution to the decision-making of the front office.
The Yankees' biggest problem isn't overpaid veterans or a sparse farm system, it's that there is a severe shortage of strong opinions within all levels the organization. Hopefully, Leiter's guidance will prove as valuable to the Yankees as it was to the Mets. Please take into consideration all of his suggestions and publicly endorse his ability to speak for you in regards to all matters.
Sincerely,
Red Sox Nation
The closest that statement is to being true is the Mets only lost 4-1 to the Yankees, and thus were a lot closer to winning than Leiter was to being better than Brown or Fernandez (or Guzman or Hentgen or Ward).
Rosalita > Cotton Eyed Joe.
They should be trolling for their own minor leaguers. I sort of understand not giving Sean Henn another chance, but wouldn't Alex Graman, with a 3.28 ERA and 95/33 K/BB ratio in AAA, be a better bet to outperform Leiter's 5.83 ZIPs projection. Hell, he might be a better bet to outperform Brown, Pavano and Wright.
Now watch...
Leiter goes 10-3 down the stretch and wins 2 games in the World Series.
Shoot, I wish I had thought of that.
I think they've already won it. Even one start like this, against the Red Sox, is probably worth 400k to them.
I think this is a good deal for the Yankees. Al Leiter was a just a notch below all-star level while with the Mets for the last few years.
Notch below all-star pitchers do not average less than 6IP/start and 4.5BB/9IP over the past two full seasons.
Can someone explain Leiter's last two seasons?
In '03 he let up 279 baserunners in 180IP. His HR rate was good (15), but not amazing.
Just for pespective on this, Mike Mussina and Randy Johnson are being paid more than $400,000 per start. Anyway, now that the game is over, Leiter has his first win and the Yankees are just half a game out. That is just awesome.
I agree.
"Anyway, now that the game is over, Leiter has his first win and the Yankees are just half a game out. That is just awesome."
I agree.
"Al Leiter is fully justified."
I agree.
For a guy with such high standardized test scores, you sure are a lousy speller.
Well, tghe Yankees scored 5 runs and there bullpen gave up 2 in 2 2/3 innings. That means that they would need a performence of 6 1/3 innings and 2 runs or less allowed. A starter that would give that performence every start would get paid around $17 million for 34 starts coming out to $500,000 per start. So, the answer to your question is $500,000.
Leiter goes 10-3 down the stretch and wins 2 games in the World Series.
Of all the times to maybe not be wrong...
I think they've already won it. Even one start like this, against the Red Sox, is probably worth 400k to them.
I hate Al Leiter even more than I did two days ago. Credit where it's due: Leiter was great last night. Pitched better than he has in at least two years. Forget the stats -- he was sharper in the strike zone, more aggressive with hitters. Vintage, to say the least.
Nevertheless. Before we say they've "already won" the deal, and that he's been worth the $400K, let's remember that he's going to pitch again. If they released him today, then I might say, sure, getting that start was probably worth that much money. But if he pitches from now on like he did for the Marlins, he's going to be a net negative. Let's wait and see. For my money, last night was all about adrenaline. It happens all the time; a player gets released, then has a great game or series when picked up trying to prove something.
In fact, I said on another thread about Leiter that, bad as I think he is, he might just give the Yankees 2-3 good starts before the league figures him out. Bully for him, and them, that he gave them one last night. By the end of the season, it'll be painful for Yankee fans to watch.
I don't see how it could be more painful to watch than Redding and May.
You're assuming that the Yankees have demonstrated some skill to locate and use free replacement-level pitchers. He may be a net negative compared to other teams' 5th starters, but it's hard to do worse than Redding and May, as salajander mentioned.
Also, it's not like the Yankees have shown a slow hook with these guys. If the league figures him out after 2-3 starts, Yankee fans will be watching him do color commentary on Fox broadcasts along with everybody else, and experiencing varying degrees of pain.
True enough, but the Yankees need to get significantly better work from Leiter (or whomever) in that slot. If all their $400K bought them was older crap, that's not a good investment.
That is, to say a pitcher is not worse than Redding or May has to be the ultimate in damning with faint praise.
You say this like it's a good thing for the Yankees.
If he does post those 2-3 good starts SamM mentioned, and then is jettisoned, aren't the Yankees back to square 1?
Or are you assuming a full return to health and effectiveness by Kevin Brown & Carl Pavano -- or possibly Jaret Wright. If you are, that's a pretty huge stretch.
You're assuming that the Yankees have demonstrated some skill to locate and use free replacement-level pitchers. He may be a net negative compared to other teams' 5th starters, but it's hard to do worse than Redding and May, as salajander mentioned.
Also, it's not like the Yankees have shown a slow hook with these guys. If the league figures him out after 2-3 starts, Yankee fans will be watching him do color commentary on Fox broadcasts along with everybody else, and experiencing varying degrees of pain.
You're assuming that the Yankees have demonstrated some skill to locate and use free replacement-level pitchers. He may be a net negative compared to other teams' 5th starters, but it's hard to do worse than Redding and May, as salajander mentioned.
Also, it's not like the Yankees have shown a slow hook with these guys. If the league figures him out after 2-3 starts, Yankee fans will be watching him do color commentary on Fox broadcasts along with everybody else, and experiencing varying degrees of pain.
Yeah, until the last game of the season with the Red Sox leading the Yankees by 1/2 game. Leiter and his 6.92 ERA will be pressed into an emergency start and he'll throw 8-1/3 innings allowing 2 scratch singles and 1 walk while fanning 12.
No, Leiter's already had his Season-ending Moment of Glory™. 1999, Mets and Reds tied for the wild card. Leiter pitches a complete game two-hitter to send the Mets into the post-season for the first time in 11 years.
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