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Thursday, December 11, 2008

Mets - Acquired Putz

New York Mets - Acquired P Jumping Jehosephat Putz in a 3-way jamboree.

Three-way trades are always convoluted, so as usual, I’ll dissect it as 3 separate trades.

The Mets acquire Putz, OF Jeremy Reed, and P Sean Green for P Aaron Heilman, OF Endy Chavez, P Joe Smith, and 1B Mike Carp

This is quite a good trade for the Mets.

First, Reed and Chavez are comparable in value.  Both are essentially 5th outfielders that simply don’t hit well enough to be used in a corner.  Chavez is an excellent defensive leftfielder, so could have use for a team that needs a caddy for a player who should absolutely not be in the field.  Both are essentially role players.  Rosenthal calls Green and Smith interchangeable, and that’s probably fair.  Both are OK relievers that are more deceptive than stuff-laden.  I like Smith better as a ROOGY long-term better but Green as more of a general use reliever.  Neither really have star potential.  That leaves us Putz for Heilman and Carp and that’s a winner for the Mets.  Carp simply can’t make up the difference.  A 1B can’t make it through the minors just on walks and while Heilman has had some big years too, Putz’s have been better and the former was used quite heavily in them.  Heilman’s a good pitcher but Putz is better.  Putz and K-Rod?  The Mets are a lot scarier after the 7th than they were in 2008!

The Mariners get Heilman, Carp, Chavez, some unnamed Indians prospects and RF Franklin Gutierrez for Putz, Green, Reed and 2B Luis Valbuena.

Gutierrez has a great glove (a real Gold Glove candidate in left), but he’s also an extremely disappointing offensive player.  Sure, he’s more likely to help the next good Mariners team than Putz, but the Mariners have some serious offensive needs.  And they threw in Valbuena just for kicks?  No, the Indians prospects are unnamed, but if Mike Carp is one of the named prospects, than the unnamed ones probably aren’t all that impressive. especially given the Indians end of the haul is light.

The Indians trade Gutierrez and unnamed prospects for Valbuena and Smith.  More of a minor trade for the Indians.  Gutierrez had no place to play with the ridiculously awesome Sizemore in center and want a bat long-term in right.  Valbuena should help the Indians start sorting out just what they want to do with Peralta and Cabrera and Smith upgrades a bullpen full of pitchers that had their careers go the wrong way in 2008.

2009 ZiPS Projections
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Player     W   L   G GS   IP   H   ER HR BB SO   ERA ERA+
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Green     5   4 66   0   78   74   36   2 37 51 4.15 103
Heilman   6   5 73   0   76   74   36   9 33 73 4.26 100
Putz     8   2 58   0   59   44   17   4 19 71 2.59 166
Smith     3   3 64   0   53   51   24   4 29 47 4.08 105
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2009 ZiPS Projections
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Player     AB   R   H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB   BA   OBP   SLG OPS+
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Carp       486 52 112 19 0 16 56 42 82   0 .230 .297 .368   76
Chavez     230 28   61 11 1   1 19 16 27   6 .265 .312 .335   74
Gutierrez   380 52   96 22 2   9 47 32 93   9 .253 .319 .390   90
Reed       419 53 112 21 3   7 48 29 52   7 .267 .318 .383   86
Valbuena   482 66 123 20 1   9 56 42 84 17 .256 .316 .359   78
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Dan Szymborski Posted: December 11, 2008 at 04:31 AM | 19 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Mark S. is bored Posted: December 11, 2008 at 05:23 AM (#3025808)
The Mets also gave up Jason Vargas, Maikel Cleto, and Ezequiel Carrera.
   2. Dan Szymborski Posted: December 11, 2008 at 05:34 AM (#3025818)
The Mets also gave up Jason Vargas, Maikel Cleto, and Ezequiel Carrera.

What are they trading? 300 players?
   3. Juan V Posted: December 11, 2008 at 05:40 AM (#3025822)
I might be biased, but Guti would be a Gold Glove candidate in center if given the chance.
   4. Al Kaline Trio Posted: December 11, 2008 at 05:41 AM (#3025823)
Are they all starters on the Mariners?
   5. John DiFool2 Posted: December 11, 2008 at 07:00 AM (#3025857)
Two closers? Guess that is better than zero.
   6. Dan Evensen Posted: December 11, 2008 at 08:39 AM (#3025902)
Just got an email about this from the Mariners' MLB site. That's a pretty large trade.
   7. Russlan is fond of Dillon Gee Posted: December 11, 2008 at 08:45 AM (#3025904)
If Putz and K-Rod pitch as well as Zips says they should, the Met bullpen should be pretty good.
   8. Dog on the sidewalk Posted: December 11, 2008 at 09:47 AM (#3025911)
It sounds like Minaya gave up a ridiculous number of actual baseball players to get this done, but he was able to do it without giving up any of the young players I'd really be upset to see included. Heilman and Smith might be good the next couple years, but not very likely to combine to be as good as Putz. I could see Vargas getting a handful of opportunities to earn a spot in the back end of someone's rotation or Carp possibly becoming Doug Mientkiewicz if he's lucky. I don't know anything about Cleto or Carrera. Information would be appreciated.

A team can only make trades like this so many times before they are completely out of major league usable depth in the minors, but for now I like this.
   9. frannyzoo Posted: December 11, 2008 at 01:05 PM (#3025939)
A team can only make trades like this a few times before becoming unable to field any minor league teams.
   10. Steve M. Posted: December 11, 2008 at 05:51 PM (#3026360)
If Gutierrez can post an OPS+ of 90 in CF, then I've got to think the M's would give him 500 ABs.
   11. The District Attorney Posted: December 11, 2008 at 06:34 PM (#3026418)
I like Smith better as a ROOGY long-term better but Green as more of a general use reliever.
I wish this were the case, but Green seems exceptionally lousy against lefties as well. And I don't really see why a team has to carry a ROOGY, just in general.

That said, I agree that Smith=Green and Endy=Reed (I think I'd slightly prefer Smith to Green and Reed to Endy; still cancels out), and so it's Heilman, Carp and Vargas for Putz. I'm ok with that, given all three of those guys have huge question marks and Putz seems very reliable -- great in '06, super-tremendously-great in '07, and pretty darn good after he came back from the injury last year (27.1 IP, 33 K, 11 BB, 3 HR). It's not terribly difficult to envision it being a bad long-term exchange of talent for the Mets, especially if Vargas bounces back which I don't think is out of the question at all, but overall, I still think you do it.
   12. Walt Davis Posted: December 11, 2008 at 10:32 PM (#3026884)
I'm completely lost as to who the Indians ended up with.
   13. Walt Davis Posted: December 11, 2008 at 10:32 PM (#3026885)
OK, whom
   14. AJMcCringleberry Posted: December 11, 2008 at 10:34 PM (#3026888)
"The Indians trade Gutierrez and unnamed prospects for Valbuena and Smith."
   15. Walt Davis Posted: December 12, 2008 at 03:12 AM (#3027099)
Well, hell, ya gotta put that sentence in its own paragraph or bold a name or two if you expect me to catch on! :-)
   16. Walt Davis Posted: December 12, 2008 at 03:14 AM (#3027102)
And unless the two unnamed prospects are me and Levski, that doesn't look like a good deal for the Indians. Not that Gutierrez is great shakes (he can go get 'em though).
   17. JPWF13 Posted: June 05, 2009 at 03:18 PM (#3207543)
This is quite a good trade for the Mets.


It's still early, but early returns are not good for the Mets.

1: Putz, sucks and is hurt (and he probably sucked because he was hurt)
2: Sean Green has been terrible (basically I cringed everytime either Putz or Green were warming up)
3: Reed has been an OK sub.

Jason Vargas has pitched very well for Seattle
Smith and Heilman have admittedly been bad
Endy Chavez has been, well Endy Chavez
Mike Carp is playing extremely well in AAA and some prospect maven shave started saying that, gee, maybe he is a real prospect afterall (The Mets had three hitters in AA last year hitting about the same- Carp, Evans and Murphy, Carp was the youngest of the 3, had the best career record, and so was the one dumped- despite what Sam M says, I think it's a good chance the Mets dumped the wrong one)
and Ezequiel Carrera is hitting .351/.473/.410 in AA.
   18. JPWF13 Posted: June 05, 2009 at 03:21 PM (#3207551)
and Sean Henry, a guy who was traded away for Jeff Conine's carcass is hitting .315/.363/.497 in AA...
   19. Dog on the sidewalk Posted: June 05, 2009 at 09:22 PM (#3208010)
Wow, JP, I never even bothered to see who the Mets gave up for Conine, because I assumed he was useless. That is a horrible trade. Sure, it's almost certainly not going to really affect the team going forward, but why do that? Maybe I still just haven't recovered from the Jason Bay trade, but trades like that piss me off, no matter how insignificant they seem.

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