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1. Brandon in MO (Yunitility Infielder) Posted: March 18, 2005 at 04:18 PM (#1205012)Ice Williams should be next.
Oh, and don't you hate pants?
Hopefully his next hitting coach will clue him in. It'd be great if he went all Kevin Elster on us.
Hopefully his next hitting coach will clue him in.
And the fastballs are too fast for him, and the curve balls curve too much for him, and the outfield grass is too far away for him . . . .
Face it. Changing to a lighter bat certainly won't hurt McEwing, but it's not going to turn him into a major league hitter, either. He is what he is: a nice guy with AAA baseball skills who's been extraordinarily well-rewarded for being . . . a nice guy with AAA baseball skills. It's a bit of an injustice to the many nice guys with better baseball skills who never got the opportunity, but all in all, worse things have happened.
Actually, I think he's been well-rewarded for the same reason that Juan Pierre is going to be well-rewarded next season when he hits free agency: a number of front offices still don't know how to properly evaluate and compensate a player who does a fairly rare thing (bunt/steal, play multiple positions) well.
us stros fans do NOT want stupor joe.
we ALREADY have a team full of guys who can't hit, run or catch, thank you very much.
and we do NOT want billy koch, either. we ALREADY have a team full of washed up relievers who suck.
Super Joe the player just wore on me...
I take umbrage at that remark. Joe McEwing can catch very well, thank you.
As for the hitting and running part . . . . well, he can catch damn well. Yup, damn bloody well, in fact. Hardly ever drops one, near as I can tell. Reliable as a guy can be, good ol' Joe.
Now you want him on the Astros, right?
I hate Super Joe the guy. He obviously rubbed off on Wright. That's bad. He needs to stay away from the phenoms.
Yeah, I was.
Terrible move.
No.
Nooooooooooooooooooo.
Terrible? Au contraire. Jason Phillips had a year in 2003 totally out of line with his prior record. Nothing suggested he was capable of an .815 OPS in the majors. While 2004 was surely much worse than his true talent, his real value is not all that great, especially not with Castro on hand to back up Piazza.
Ishii would give us a starter who can eat up a lot of innings, exactly what we need with Trachsel out. Remember what we noted the other day -- Trachsel's loss put the Mets in a dangerously precarious position with virtually no decent depth in starters when/if someone else goes down.
I mean, really. How much value do you think Jason Phillips has???
Sam, have you seen Ishii's stats? Last year, in 172 innings he struck out 99 hitters and walked 98. Even though he pitched at pitching friendly Dodger Stadium, He gave up a HR every 9 innings. Who cares if he can pitch a lot of innings? I mean, knowing what he did last year, do you really want him to?
I tend to agree.
OFF, have you seen Jason Phillips' stats? Last year, he hit .218 with a .298 OBP and a .624 OPS. What do you really think he should bring in trade? Johan Santana?
I swear, if the Mets acquire him, I'm boycotting Zambrano's and Ishii's starts this year.
Dodger Stadium has a below average HR rate. As I said in the dugout, I'd do this deal in a heartbeat, it gets Ishii and Bako off the roster. Yeah, Phillips is nothing special but neither is Ishii, and Phillips could potenially be of more use to LA, as Ishii's days with the Dodgers are numbered and the Dodgers could use an upgrade at C.
He had 16 quality starts out of 31, and pitches an occasional gem.
I mean, with the Goggles Brothers, how can they be beat?
I really don't see what Ishii offers (other than a higher salary) that Ginter or even Heilman doesn't. Its not that I particularly like New York's internal options until Trachsel comes back; its just that I really don't like Ishii. IMHO, Phillips' marginal value over the Mets' internal alternatives to third catcher is greater than Ishii's marginal value over the Mets' internal alternatives to 5th starter.
A 4.30 ERA in Dodger Stadium with awful peripherals. He managed a 5.44 DIPS last year. He's absolutely awful and he's making more than 3 million bucks. I'd almost rather have Shawn Estes.
Why not just go with Seo or Ginter?
you maybe prefer pete munro?
tell yall what - why don't you send us ishii and we'll send you brandon duckworth or carlos hernandez or tim redding or dave burba(useful Veteran Presence)
Yes.
Career ERA at Chavez Ravine - 3.71
Career ERA elsewhere - 4.87
Maybe Rick Peterson sees a project there, but as a neutral observer, I can't see why you'd want to give up a major-league player, even a bad one like Phillips, for Ishii.
When considering salary, I'd rather have Brandon ####### Duckworth than Kaz Ishii...and Duckworth happens to be one of the worst pitchers in baseball. I still hold out some hope for Hernandez.
This isn't a terrible deal, but it's not good. Ginter is a better bet to provide value than Ishii is and he's cheaper and younger. The only mark against Ginter is that he might not hold up to a 5th starter's workload, but with the outside chance of Petit or Humber being ready by mid-season and payroll flexibility to take on salary, that shouldn't be an issue.
On the other side of the ledger, Jason Phillips isn't the next coming of Mike Piazza. He's slow, he's average defensively behind the plate, and he's no great shakes with the stick. Most people would agree that his true talent isn't the .815 OPS he posted in 2003, but most people would also agree that he's better than the .624 he posted last year.
So let's take the average, a very mediocre .720 OPS. Last year that would have ranked 30th among catchers with 100+ PA's. So, like him or not, Phillips is better than the average backup catcher, and he's making the minimum!
I'll happily take this back if the deal doesn't go down, but for the moment I've lost some of the faith I had in the front office not to do something stupid. And if Peterson likes Ishii as much as rumored, I'm a lot more willing to believe that he had a hand in Black Friday than I was yesterday.
Why not just go with Seo or Ginter? /i>
Ishii, like Zambrano, outpitches his DIPS ERA every year. There's no use in using projected ERAs if his real-life performance outpitches that every time. He is not absolutely awful. Ishii is a guy who can actually win the game by himself three or four times a year. Most No. 5 pitchers can't do that.
Absolutely awful would be Paul Abbott
Wow, I didn't think losing Trachsel was a such a big deal until I saw this debacle.
While Ginter might well have been an upgrade from Trachsel, Ishii is worse than either of those guys and worse than Heilmann or Seo.
The worst part of this deal is not losing Phillips, that's not such a big loss, it's that Randolph will have to trot Ishii out there every 5th day. This is pure subtraction by addition.
Almost every pitcher on the Dodger Staff outpitched their DIPS the last few years. Might have something to do with their defense eh? As a team they had a 4.37 DIPS last year, but managed a 4.01 ERA.
He is not absolutely awful.
I wouldn't consider him much better than replacement level, if at all. He's not any better than Ginter or Seo, he costs you a cheap player, and he's making a lot more than he deserves.
While this may be true, I wouldn't put much stock in it continuing to be true unless you have a sample size much larger than three years (Tom Glavine, for instance, and I still think he could be due for collapse).
If you want to run the numbers on his Japanese stats, and it turns out he's been doing this since his Yakult days, that might convince me.
Ishii is a guy who can actually win the game by himself three or four times a year.
Yes, but given his rate stats, this also implies that he's going to lose the game all by himself a couple times a year, too.
Victims:
Vinny Prospal
Brian Boucher
Brandon Duckworth
Jason Phillips
I think Ishii, Heilman, and Seo are all pretty much the same, results-wise. But the point is still there -- why give up a useful, cheap player to get something you already have in abundance, and pay more for it to boot?
The one silver lining to this (besides the possibility of Peterson fixing both Zambrano and Ishii and making himself look like a Mazzone-esque genius) is that I can tease my DePodesta-hating Dodgers fan friend about acquiring a catcher with a .212 batting average.
baseball chick, I would happily trade you Kaz Ishii for Tim Redding. Heck, I'll even throw in $2m so we split the difference in salary.
- if you serious, you are ON. remember, i watched every single game redding pitched in the majors last year. i know just about every stat he's got. we are REAL short on pitchers. i wanna dump franco and wendell and duckworthless in a trash can, too.
now, do you STILL wanna trade? i don't wanna take advantage of a sweet helpless boy like yall.....
Unless 1:1 counts as "near" 2:1, I'm not taking that bet. But I still don't mind this deal. A mediocre-to-bad starter for a back-up catcher? Sounds fair to me.
Except that he doesn't. At least no more than the next fifth starter, probably less.
I don't doubt it -- but did you watch him the year before? His line from 2003 is significantly better than that from 2004.
- if you serious, you are ON. remember, i watched every single game redding pitched in the majors last year.
I don't doubt it -- but did you watch him the year before? His line from 2003 is significantly better than that from 2004.
- from 2003? i think i missed 2 or 3, and i only saw one in person. but he had the SAME problem of not being able to pitch from the stretch and he caught more than a few lucky breaks. i ALSO read all his minor league stats and his low ERA in 03 looks like a fluke. the team ASSUMED he'd learned how to pitch. i researched him for my blog - if you want the link, i'll give it to you....
Personally, the more I think about it, the more I think that Peterson's value as a pitching coach stems more from his ability to prevent injury than it is to improve performance. It's just a hunch I have with no data to back it up, but if I'm right, then the next time management asks if he can "fix" someone, he should keep his mouth shut.
Don't forget Nomo and Yoshii.
Benson with another strong outing today (five shutout innings). Right now, the top three in our rotation are looking very, very good.
- won't it be something if benson turns into a elite starter and kazmir doesn't???!!!
- in out club, only clemens has looked really good. it's gonna be a lonnnnnnnnnnnnngggggggg season.
sighhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Not really since Kazmir was traded for Victor "walks a guy every ten minutes" and not for Benson.
Yip yip yippee!!!!!!!!!
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