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Wednesday, November 23, 2005

Mets - Reportedly Acquired Delgado

New York Mets - Have reportedly acquired 1B Carlos Delgado and $7 million for P Yusmeiro Petit and 1B-C Mike Jacobs.

I feel that both teams get a fair return in light of their goals for the upcoming season.  The Marlins get a very good year out of Delgado and when it looks like their core is higher in cost than in wins, move him out for younger blood and shed the cost of Delgado, not to mention the risk of him aging.  The Mets didn’t just have a bad situation at 1B - their first basemen combined to hit 227/303/391 and the relative quality of that line is only due to Mike Jacobs’ insane hitting spree after being called up.  Mike Jacobs will never be more valuable than he is now and while Petit is a very good pitching prospect, I don’t think that he has the upside of a guy like Anibal Sanchez.

In one of the old Elias Baseball Analysts, around 1990 or so, they showed that teams with big weaknesses were more likely to improve greatly the following season than balanced, mediocre teams.  Delgado is of the quality and 1B was a big enough hole that this could be enough to make the Mets the favorite.  Delgado fills an even bigger hole than Josh Beckett fills for the Red Sox.

2006 ZiPS Projections
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Player     AB   R   H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB   BA   OBP   SLG
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Jacobs     468 62 125 26 1 22 79 31 104   1 .267 .318 .468
Delgado     508 81 146 37 1 29 107 81 129   0 .287 .398 .535

 

2006 ZiPS Projections
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Player       W   L   G GS   IP   H   ER HR BB SO   ERA
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Petit       8   8 25 25 130 124   64 24 34 133 4.43

Dan Szymborski Posted: November 23, 2005 at 10:18 PM | 39 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. CraigK Posted: November 23, 2005 at 10:46 PM (#1744595)
YUSMEIRO PETIT HATH BEEN FREED!!!!

albeit with the marlins, but...
   2. Russlan is fond of Dillon Gee Posted: November 23, 2005 at 10:54 PM (#1744617)
That's a very pretty line from Delgado.
   3. Dan Szymborski Posted: November 23, 2005 at 11:36 PM (#1744686)
That's a very pretty line from Delgado.

Home runs may have a way of simply dying in Shea, but Pro Player kills everything.
   4. I Love LA (OFF) Posted: November 23, 2005 at 11:39 PM (#1744693)
.287/.398/.535

I'm speecheless.
   5. cynic Posted: November 23, 2005 at 11:58 PM (#1744712)
Wow, almost a 4:1 K:BB from Petit, and he still gives up 4.5 runs a game, while pitching at Pro Player? Eep.
   6. Roadblock Jones Posted: November 24, 2005 at 12:16 AM (#1744736)
Dyn-o-mite trade for the Mets.

With both the Mets and Phils on the move and hot after Wagner, we're going to experience an actual "rivalry" with Philly for like, the first time ever.
   7. Sam M. Posted: November 24, 2005 at 12:21 AM (#1744740)
we're going to experience an actual "rivalry" with Philly for like, the first time ever.

What are you talking about, Roadblock? The Phillies finished second in 1986. I'm not sure I'll ever forget the tension coming down the stretch of that desperate, taut duel . . . and the exhileration of finally clinching. Since then, a Phillie uniform has always stirred my competitive juices.
   8. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: November 24, 2005 at 12:28 AM (#1744746)
part of the reason this might have been done so quick was to point to Wagner that the mets are devoted to winning.

now if they can get Hernandez instead of Molina, and find something that isn't miguel cairo horrible at 2b, they've got a really good offense.

reyes
beltran
delgado
wright
floyd
nady/diaz
hernandez
matsui/anderson/keppinger/livebody
pitcher

and add wagner to the bullpen trio of bell, heilman, and kool aid, and all you need is a loogy and swingman to have a pretty good bullpen to go with a quality starting rotation of pedro/glavine/benson/seo/traschel. rock on.

btw: Omar always gets his man!
   9. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: November 24, 2005 at 12:29 AM (#1744747)
What are you talking about, Roadblock? The Phillies finished second in 1986. I'm not sure I'll ever forget the tension coming down the stretch of that desperate, taut duel . . . and the exhileration of finally clinching. Since then, a Phillie uniform has always stirred my competitive juices.

that's just mean, sam.
   10. Johnny Tuttle Posted: November 24, 2005 at 01:08 AM (#1744785)
This makes the trade of Cameron look more reasonable.....as a salary dump for this to happen.
   11. AJMcCringleberry Posted: November 24, 2005 at 01:14 AM (#1744794)
.287/.398/.535

Awesome.
   12. 1k5v3L Posted: November 24, 2005 at 01:33 AM (#1744810)
that is a pretty good line for jacobs, for pro player stadium. platoon him with josh willingham against lefties at 1b, and he'll give you plenty of bang for your buck...
   13. Rants Mulliniks Posted: November 24, 2005 at 05:04 PM (#1745451)
How is .287/.398/.535 awesome when he just hit .301/.399/.582.? Its not like he's 40. That would be his second worst OPS since 1997. Of course anything is better than .227/.303/.391.
   14. WillieMays Haze Posted: November 24, 2005 at 07:21 PM (#1745577)
That's a boat-load of HRs for Petit to give up in Dolphins Stadium. Yikes.
   15. 1k5v3L Posted: November 24, 2005 at 07:27 PM (#1745583)

That's a boat-load of HRs for Petit to give up in Dolphins Stadium. Yikes.


meh. that's how many homers Kris Benson gave up in slightly more innings in Shea.

then again, Benson struck out fewer batters than petit is projected. so it's even.

[nothing like a sense of perspective for mets fans.]
   16. fables of the deconstruction Posted: November 24, 2005 at 09:53 PM (#1745670)
nothing like a sense of perspective for mets fans.

Few Mets fans have sense let alone perspective. And of the few that do, when they start losing both, it's time to start high-tailing it elsewhere.

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trevise
   17. Devin has a deep burning passion for fuzzy socks Posted: November 24, 2005 at 10:05 PM (#1745680)
Hey, I still hold the Dykstra/Samuel trade against the Phillies. I hold that one against everybody.
   18. The Answer to the TWolves (GMoney) Posted: November 25, 2005 at 02:11 AM (#1745800)
Final details via rotoworld.com

Marlins acquired RHP Yusmeiro Petit, 1B Mike Jacobs and 3B Grant Psomas from the Mets for 1B Carlos Delgado and cash.
Psomas' inclusion makes this even better for the Marlins. The 2004 15th-round pick hit .300/.403/.551 in 350 AB for low Single-A Hagerstown and .305/.383/.415 in 118 AB for Single-A St. Lucie last season. He ranked somewhere between 10th and 15th amongst Mets prospects. Petit remains the top property in the deal. He could probably use a half season in Triple-A, but the Marlins are likely to let him compete for a rotation spot in spring training. While immediate success may not come, he projects as a long-term No. 3 starter. Nov. 24 - 7:39 pm et
   19. TVerik, the gum-snappin' hairdresser Posted: November 25, 2005 at 02:28 AM (#1745804)
Wait... did I miss something? Can't Delgado demand a trade if he doesn't like the Mets, as is his right after being traded in the first year of a long-term deal?
   20. 1k5v3L Posted: November 25, 2005 at 02:32 AM (#1745807)
tverik, yes, he can.
   21. TVerik, the gum-snappin' hairdresser Posted: November 25, 2005 at 02:36 AM (#1745809)
How does that work? Does he have to play 2006 with them first? How long does he have to make his demand?
   22. Russlan is fond of Dillon Gee Posted: November 25, 2005 at 02:38 AM (#1745814)
He has to play next year with the Mets. Next year, he can demand a trade. If he isn't traded he becomes a free agent in the middle of March 2007.
   23. Shalimar Posted: November 25, 2005 at 02:42 AM (#1745820)
He has to demand a trade within a certain number of days after next year's World Series, don't remember the exact number but it's roughly 2 weeks.
   24. TVerik, the gum-snappin' hairdresser Posted: November 25, 2005 at 02:43 AM (#1745822)
Wow. He'd be a FA very late in the process.

I wonder how much that prospect would weigh in negotiations.

That clause has never been used, right?
   25. AJMcCringleberry Posted: November 25, 2005 at 02:47 AM (#1745824)
That clause has never been used, right?

Javy Vazquez used it.
   26. TVerik, the gum-snappin' hairdresser Posted: November 25, 2005 at 02:48 AM (#1745826)
I mean that nobody's taken it all the way to the point where they were declared a FA, AJM. But I could see how I didn't really make that clear; sorry about the phrasing.
   27. AJMcCringleberry Posted: November 25, 2005 at 02:48 AM (#1745827)
Oh.
   28. Rob Base Posted: November 25, 2005 at 05:36 AM (#1745939)
Including Psomas as a throw-in makes me a lot less happy.
   29. J. Cross Posted: November 25, 2005 at 05:46 AM (#1745949)
Well, if Delgado wants to declare himself a FA after this year that must mean he had a heck of a year (since he makes BIG money in the final 2 years of the deal). And, if so, that means the Mets got an excellent year out of Delgado for ~$6M (with the $7M coming from the Marlins). Could be worse.
   30. Los Angeles Waterloo of Black Hawk Posted: November 26, 2005 at 07:12 PM (#1747072)
This makes the trade of Cameron look more reasonable.....as a salary dump for this to happen.

Well, you still have to wonder what they're going to do with Nady, now that he's no longer in the running for platoon 1B. I guess he'll be either competition for Victor Diaz in RF or a fourth outfielder, and either one seems like a small return for Cameron. Of course, it's highly possible that no one was interested in Cameron because of the injury ... but you have to wonder if the Mets mightn't have been able to move Cameron for a 2B somewhere ...
   31. Sam M. Posted: November 26, 2005 at 07:15 PM (#1747077)
And, if so, that means the Mets got an excellent year out of Delgado for ~$6M (with the $7M coming from the Marlins). Could be worse.

I doubt the Mets will get to keep the full $7M from the Marlins if they trade him. It's supposed to be paid out in two or three installments, and I suspect the payments will follow him and his contract if/when he's traded.
   32. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: November 26, 2005 at 07:22 PM (#1747081)
I mean that nobody's taken it all the way to the point where they were declared a FA, AJM. But I could see how I didn't really make that clear; sorry about the phrasing.

Rickey Henderson did in the movie "Little Big League", but the Twins passed. Their GM was a moron, and a kid.
   33. Dan Szymborski Posted: November 26, 2005 at 07:45 PM (#1747099)
Doyle Alexander used that clause. He acted as his own agent and after he was traded to the Braves, decided to demand a trade. The Braves obliged, but Doyle hadn't exactly read the CBA and didn't realize that if the team grants the trade request after this type of demand, the player loses their free agency rights for 3 years.

So he whined all season with the Giants that he'd rather retire than pitch for the Giants, was traded to the Yankees, whined some more, was released and signed by the Blue Jays, and then whined some more.

Eventually, he was traded back to Atlanta and after going to the Tigers, was offered a 2-year deal for $2.5 million, which he turned down. Then collusion hit and he ended up signing with the Tigers for $500,000 for 1 year instead.
   34. ¬†Hey Gurl Posted: November 26, 2005 at 08:02 PM (#1747110)
This trade is, I guess, the absolute proof that the Marlins don't give a ####. I mean sure, it was pretty obvious from the firesale and all, but now they've committed the sin of trading a superstar to another team in their division! So they really don't care about baseball.
   35. peter21 Posted: November 27, 2005 at 11:43 PM (#1748767)
This trade is, I guess, the absolute proof that the Marlins don't give a ####. I mean sure, it was pretty obvious from the firesale and all, but now they've committed the sin of trading a superstar to another team in their division! So they really don't care about baseball.

If you're not going to win next year, why does it matter if you trade a guy within your own division? Especially when you're getting back an excellent pitching prospect and a decent hitter in return? (This is more amazing considering there was very limited interest in Delgado besides from the Mets)...
   36. Sam M. Posted: November 28, 2005 at 12:04 AM (#1748793)
This is more amazing considering there was very limited interest in Delgado besides from the Mets

As Omar has pointed out, teams that are bidding for Paul Konerko, but lose out, would quite likely have turned their attention to Delgado. It's also quite possible the Red Sox would have gotten into the hunt if they were able to deal Manny. Maybe Minaya was over-anticipating this series of events, but it's better to be ahead of the curve than behind it, and then find yourself having to pay even a higher price.

From the Mets' POV, the price was high but not exorbitant. Jacobs, obviously, became completely extraneous upon the acquisition of Delgado (especially since they now have Nady as injury insurance). So really, the price was Petit -- a valuable player, obviously, but one whom they could afford to deal in light of the organizational depth (majors and minors) in starting pitching.
   37. Rob Base Posted: November 28, 2005 at 01:06 AM (#1748836)
No love for Psomas?
   38. Sam M. Posted: November 28, 2005 at 01:19 AM (#1748851)
No love for Psomas?

Something tells me the Mets have third base covered for the next little while. And even putting David Wright aside for the moment, I have a hard time getting too worked up about a 23-year old who hasn't played a day above A ball (and only 34 games above low-A ball). Yawn.
   39. 6 - 4 - 3 Posted: December 03, 2005 at 07:32 AM (#1757825)
now they've committed the sin of trading a superstar to another team in their division!

It's not like the Marlins have never before traded a superstar to the Mets before...

Now on a totally unrelated note, what do the Mets intend to do for a starting catcher in 2006?

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